Art, great to go back to some of these past sessions. After watching a bevy of your sessions it is starting to click in my brain and this session in particular allows the beginner to understand Rome wasn't built in a day and not to overthink it as you mention. It is a journey and we appreciate your guidance along the way. best...
@@ArtIsRight Art, pardon if this may not be the right thread but my question: Do you have a preference when plugging in the i1 Display pro either into the side of the SW270C USB downstream port or plugging in directly into Mac Book Pro with USB Type C to USB Type A adapter when calibrating. Thanks...
Either one will work, it does not matter. It will come down to if you have enough ports left on your laptop, are they the right ports, etc. Or if your display is far away from the computer, then plugging it in on the display will work. For diagnostic, to eliminate variable plug the calibrator directly into the laptop. Hope this helps :)
This helps. I've been have troubling viewing images I've edited in any photo software/view (like Windows default photo viewer or a web browser screen). I feel like now I know that my calibration and edits are fine, I just need to view them post-processing differently.
Hey @ArtIsRight do you have a link of a D65 led light bulb? I can not find one. I have a lamp like you suggested but can't find the D65 led bulb! Thank you! Lisa W.
If you are based in the US, these retailer can't shipped light bulb to some states. But you can find them on amazon here www.amazon.com/6500k-led-bulb/s?k=6500k+led+bulb or Home Depot www.homedepot.com/b/Lighting-Light-Bulbs-LED-Light-Bulbs/6500/N-5yc1vZbm79Z1z0kuoz The other thing that you can do is call your local lighting store and see if they can special order some for you, I know I had to do that in the past. One more thing that you can consider is this LED light box ruclips.net/video/XojivTm4UBI/видео.html this tend to work well for these type of setup.
Hey Art, I don’t mean to contradict you but with regards D50/ D65, my lab (Fujifilm) did recommend I calibrate to D50 because they said their lab screens are set to that colour temp - and it did help with my colour corrections/ accuracy. This was using a 4k iMac calibrated with i1profiler.
You can use either actually, not contradicting me but the lab in a sense in not you nor are they in your environment. Also D65 with 6500K bulb works just fine. Been doing it for more than 2 decades now :D
Yeah, so when I used D65 the screen one was a lot more blue, similar to iMac native - and when I received my prints they were a lot warmer than I wanted. So I calibrated for D50 and although my screen looked far too warm (sort of like night shift was switched on) my eyes did adjust and I edited my images accordingly - ie it made me adjust the colour temp to be cooler. Therefore when my prints came back this time they were matching. I’m about to profile my SW240 for the first time. I think i will save both D50 and D65 and see how I go. Is it advisable to have a different profile for daytime and nighttime? I am guessing yes as my ambient will differ as you mentioned. I was thinking about getting a desk lamp with DXX bulb as you suggested in another video and I understand why, but then it got me thinking. If the printed image is viewed under different lighting, e.g. I give it to someone as a gift and they hang it in their home, the colour will appear differently, right? It’s got me wondering why I’m even bothering :s. I know the same can be said for digital viewing sRGB etc - iPad vs Samsung tablet etc. but at least I know my audience in that regard.
Yes but what you didn't tell me is what light you use to proof the print, in general if the color / temperature match that of the display they you are good. Remember that print / display matching is for a moment in time while you are checking it, every other times you just have to let things fall where they may. You can have different profile for day and night, but I don't think that it is a good use of resources and it is not that helpful. I would just control the environment that you are editing in and proof or not with a proper light is up to you. There are benefits knowing that your prints matches but yes in other environment it would not.
Viewing prints in control conditions will need a calibration close to the CCT of the light source for viewing. Recent viewing lights have choices at 6000K and above yet those equipped with older viewing boxes and or control lights will be 5000K. There were some Solux lights below that as well but displays do not do well at very low white points. I doubt very much that cheap LEDs will have a spectrum to make print to screen matching reliable.
@Neil Snape, I understand where you are coming from and I do share the thought with you. However, for anyone starting out or struggling with the issues of print matching, it will come much closer than what they were able to do before and that is really the goal here. In my testing, if you can get a light source with a high CRI, it comes fairly close. It won't be as good as if you use a really high quality production proof setup and then calibrate the print icc to the spectral output of the light. I know there are a very small group of photographers who own a full fledge color spectrophotometer, understands and does this kind of calibration, but the majority are not there yet and this is the bridge that I am building. Small steps and as always much appreciate your contribution to my channel through your comments! Thank you!
Hi...you make good tutorials. I really like the way you explain. Actually I have a confusion that you might solve. I am a photographer and a cinematographer and edit my work on my MacBook Pro (15, late 2016). M currently planning to buy a professional monitor in a budget. M confused whether to buy a 1080p or WQHD or a 4k monitor. Can you please tell which monitor should I buy according to the MacBook I am using. thanks.
If you are not updating your machine 2K would probably be best, less taxing on the system. Do you work in 4K, if you do then 4K will make more sense but it is taxing on the system and with that machine you'll see lag. So a bit of a tough decision.
@@ArtIsRight thank you so so much for the advice and aslo one more question to ask… most of the 2k displays don’t have usb type c port .. and my MacBook only have usb c port. So will it be fine if i use a usb c to display port converter … or a usb c to display port cable ?? Will there be any loss of data ??
I purchased the SW 321C monitor last week and I was super excited to get it but now I'm extremely disappointed. I've had it for 6 days and must have calibrated it 100 times since its arrived. I've calibrated it using Palette Master and DataColor Spyder 5 Pro Colorimeter. I was not happy with results, calibration failed a bunch of times. I changed settings and it passed. But the colors look washed out and super dull. I thought if I used a different colorimeter it may make a difference. I bought the X Rite X1 Display Pro Plus and used it about 20 times and have the exact same results but it did calibrate faster. I called BenQ and the first guy Josh was very patient and helpful, after getting XRite colorimeter I called again, spoke with Ivan who was extremely UNHELPFUL. Im at my wits end. I don't want to return it but it seems that's what I have to do.
This would depend on the model, they have made improvements in this area through out the years. Apple is the latest model and if you look at the latest BenQ this issue is more null than before.
Hi Art-Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us again...My SW321-C should be here next week. I have 2 questions...If I use PALETTE MASTER software to do my calibrations, is it IMPERATIVE that I buy a mechanical device too? i.e.....Can I get successful results without doing a mechanical calibration? Thank you.
@Craig Purdie, thank you for the question, in order to do a calibration you would need to use an eternal device, the one I recommend is the i1Display Pro or Pro Plus. What I would tell you to do is see how the preset mode looks out of the box first and see if that works for your spec and workflow.
@Craig Purdie, yes that is correct if the preset mode looks good then you are set for quite sometime, and when you are ready in the future then you can get a calibration device later on. This way you can spread the investment out a little.
@@craigpurdie3528 The factory validated and reported colour spaces are really the fondation of the monitors abilities. They are reporting the display character as an non modified response from a video card. Video cards themselves do not have much variation, yet system level APIs do. Thus what is sent out by the system+ video card can have a huge difference between host computers. That is why Art recommends calibrating. Now for video, what is really cool is get yourself an X-Rite Passport color checker video or photo. In Davinci color tab set your color match to the Passport you have and shot in the selection window and hit Match color. So simple, yet very effective. After just adjust your white point and use the vector scopes to assure the cours map out as expected, and compare those to your BenQ SW321C for excellent color correction, and add your grades after.
@Neil Snape, thank you again for chiming in. I'm glad that you use Davinci, I have not tested or played with the program yet. So far I have been using Final Cut Pro X and it has been working fine for me. I don't do too much advanced color grading. Do you use Davinci all the time? Is it your main editing program?
Hello! I’m really hoping to ask 2 questions here that I cant seem to find the answer to. Im using a xRite i1D3 Pro Plus, for my LG CX using Calman Home for LG, and i1 Profiler for my Macbook. Ive notice when i calibrate to D65 on my lg cx vs my mid 2014 macbook pro retina, they look different. Ive been told to profile my meter with a spectro but that is out of my price range at the moment. Which leads to my first question: 1. How come if you profile your colorimiter to your display with a Spectro, you still need to perceptual match for D65 on certain displays, for example sony’s judd modification for the BVM X300. What is the point of profiling with a spectro if you still need to perceptual match. What would the spectro improve? Other thing i’m noticing is that the iPhone 13, iPhone X and most iPhones ive seen all have a green tinted white point, even greener than calibrated D65 on my LG CX. It is about as green as DCI P3 Whitepoint of x.314, y.351. So i decided to try and do a test with a perceptual match to my iPhone whitepoint which came to x.3105, y.345 when using my i1D3 Pro Plus to calibrate my LG CX in Calman Home for LG. Which the calibration looks the same, no spectro nothing. Only difference is in dark scenes the iPhone is greener, and lg cx is more blue. But the 100% white and most medium to bright scenes look exactly the same. Leading to my second question. 2. What is a known reference for D65? Is my calibrated mid 2014 macbook proper d65? Or would i of needed to use a spectro to my i1D3 Pro Plus? Its hard to understand this metameric failure in displays.. All I want is a proper D65 whitepoint but it seems this is hard to achieve.
"Ive notice when i calibrate to D65 on my lg cx vs my mid 2014 macbook pro retina, they look different." It is not just only D65, it is also P3 gamut calibration. Apple tweak their P3 gamut from the standard spec which is why getting a match in that gamut is difficult. Also the display panel consideration and back light tech also makes matching something like this almost impossible, and with little possibility I advised against it. Because your icc will do doing so many adjustments beyond the minimal needed to be done and the result is tonal posterization. "Ive been told to profile my meter with a spectro but that is out of my price range at the moment." That is more of a display cal suggestion rather than X-Rite and that has to do with changing the EDR file, this is really something that should not be done and any calibration of the colorimeter should be done at the service facility and not by the user. In addition, color spectrophotometer depending on which one that you use will have limitation. Color radiometer is better but that will cost $15K+ for the device and another $3K for the software license to get it running not to mention the know how. 1. That is for certain highend reference display and not for the general consumer / pro displays in the market. In general, we like to think that color spectro is better for calibration in general but that is really not always the case. As far as what you gained if you use a super highend, non x-rite spectro then there may be some advantage of precision, but if you use x-rite devices, no so much. This is not because it is not a good device but rather some wave length measurement limitation based on the driver. About the iPhone, they are great displays but the calibration are going to be off a bit from one phone to the other. Many top end models for the past 4 years have been OLED so the screen will be more green and LED would be more green as well because Apple try to match all calibration to the PRO OLED models. OLED is inherently green. When you are trying to do the match you are starting the see the screen display tech variation at the low-end. Not much can be done about this. Truth be told, the margin of error for display calibration is much boarder than the specific that you are trying to achieve. And at the end of the day, the basic fundamental still applies, different LCD panel, backlight tech, and on phones forget about it, no calibration post manufacture, different phone will have inherit varying color with the margin of error and everyone would setup their phone differently, brightness level, True Tone, screen protector, nightshift, etc. 2. Reference for Display P3 D65 is x=0.3127, y=0.3129 is for sRGB, and Adobe RGB. x=0.3140, y=0.3510 for DCI-P3 (theater). Is your 2014 MBP calibrated from factory with the know reference, yes but it has shifted over time and there's really no way to go in and adjust that at the hardware level unlike the newer MBP from 2021 so your best bet is use software calibration and ICC profile to adjust for this shift overtime. If you have a colorimeter use that over the spectro, like I said the spectro that you have is good but it is really best for print / physical media and not displays. If you want everything proper then you need to consider getting a hardware calibrated display and have that as the reference and at the same time forget the smart phone and tablet calibration and what the white point is on those devices.
Hey Art! I just purchased a SW270C and it's driving me crazy! After 10 hardware calibrations I gave up and did a software calibration. My problem, in short, is that what I see on the monitor doesn't even get close to what I'm seeing on an ips mobile display. On an amoled display it looks good, but on an ips it looks very saturated and contrasting. Am I missing something? I convert my images in sRGB and give them 2048 on the long side in Photoshop for social media. The settings on the monitor are as follows: brightness 40% to match 120 cd, contrast native (50%), AdobeRGB, 6500k, Gama 2.2. My first photo edited on this monitor was a poppy field in the sunrise and while I was looking at a fairly good image, I got criticized about being too saturated. Overly saturated. And when I checked it on another device, it gave me headache. The reds were all over. And another thing with the reds, when I open Chrome the reds are oversaturated and they shift in a few seconds to a more desaturated look.
So based on our discussion off RUclips comments, for anyone who may wonder what the resolution was. Comparing the wide color gamut display to a phone can be tricky, they can all have different settings, truetone, night mode, different color calibration mode on. I understand that in a digital first world this can be concerning, but what any one sees on the BenQ display will print like the BenQ display. Proofing images to a phone can be challenging because everyone set theirs phone display differently and every manufacturers calibrate their display differently as well.
@Terence Wong, great question. I would say my first inclination is Bridge, but the performance on Mac really sucks, I don't know how bad Adobe can screw bridge up. There's another program for windows called XnView or something along that line that you can check out. For Mac you can use Finder and you'll be ok. Either way, let me research some programs that I can stand behind on the Windows side and get back to you. Perhaps, make a video of it. :)
Hi Art.Im using sw270c,and right of the box on every single color profile,whites have strong magenta cast...i already do calibration with PME 13.1.17,but there is no change,still have white/magenta cast.Im on windows 11,followed yor instructions,d65,brightnes 100,dark room,and every time same result,whites are magenta.Any help?Thanks
magenta cast relative to what? What are you using as a reference? The reason why I asked is because perhaps you are not used to the magenta cast, however, it is the correct rendition. I'm not sure if this is the case or not, which is why I asked. Now this said, what color calibration device are you using? Also what cable are you using to link the computer to the display?
@@ArtIsRight thanks on a quick response...im using displayport cable,spyderx pro and also have two Dell displays se2719h and P2415Q.Both displays are calibrated with spider x at same settings,6500k 120 brightness and result is that white is white,but on Benq with PME and spyderx give me slight magenta/redish tint...same settings.M i doing something wrong?
Still rocking that purple shirt! Wait is it blue? Pink? Red? Green? Yellow? Who knows? My monitors aren't calibrated... 🤣😂 Art you are right! I'm just waiting for my stimulus and tax refund check, whichever gets here sooner is covering the cost of my new BenQ monitor and calibration system. Are you available to help install? And does it come with a purple shirt?
Hi art! I recently bought asus PA32UC and I hardware calibrated that with my i1 display pro. The setting was srgb/rec709 ,gamma2.4 D65, 100cd/m and results look too contrasty and far away from what I get with i1 profiler (native rec709 mode is closer to results I get with i1 profiler) (i1 profiler is also set at d65,gamma2.4,100cd/m) What am I doing wrong?
I am not sure what you might be going through, it could be that their hardware calibration app does not generate an icc for the system to use. I wish I could be more help.
Hi Art, I have the 2700pt and now going for the 270C, and that issue of colors between what I see on windows, or chrome, basically we’re all my clients look my work ( architect visualization ), I can’t say, buy bridge or some software that is calibrated to look what I’m sending to you, so here are my question and the strange way that I found a solution looking the same colors in photoshop, monitor, and chrome. 1. Set photoshop not to srgb profile, and put in that place my monitor calibration, in my case I work just with srgb. Then save it to jpg and don’t embed any color profile. 2. When i run the calibration I do it in native mode ( not srgb, rgb, etc ) because I think this is going to calibrate all of them. 3. Can I calibrate it with xrite software ? Because I have a second NEC monitor that have that calibration profile. This could be a mess and I know that you said in one of your videos, tried not to overthink. But I have to see what I’m posting on the web. 4. This is the last one, if had calibrated the monitor in standard mode: - I open photoshop, open my image in srgb color space, and then save it like that. To look properly later I will have to put the monitor in srgb mode ? Or just live it in the calibration mode that was done. It’s like very confusing if I have to change it to srgb color mode ( on the monitor ) I was reading around and found that most monitor that of course are srgb, run in standard or native mode, even they are srgb. Sorry for this mess! You explain very well all! Notice that I’m not from USA, im from Argentina and that’s why English is so bad. Hope you can help me to avoid this “problems”.
@Ona Viz, thanks for the comment. Here are a few of my thoughts? 1. In PS - Menu Edit - Color Setting. In the dialog the first box, next to RGB in the drop down list choose the monitor profile that you created using PME. What you want to do is scroll down the list to the icc or icm profile, do not choose monitor profile - icc profile, when choosing this, PS treats color policy differently. 2. Yes calibrate in Panel Native, not because it is going to calibrate all of them but it because it will give you the largest color space possible and you can use the maximum gamut from your panel. 3. You can use the X-Rite Software, but I do recommend against that. Is your NEC a hardware calibrated model or not? If it is then calibrate NEC using Spectraview, if is not then use i1Profiler to calibrate it. Then calibrate your BenQ using PME. Know that the color will never match, due to different panel manufactures, backlight technology, age, etc. But that is ok, they'll come close. *I understand that you have to proof your work on the web, however, you have arrived at a big variable that is out of your color management control. You do not know what screen, computer, os they are running on, and if they are on the phone, table, etc. The best that you can do in this case is making sure that you edit your images or work on a properly calibrated display. *With regards to chrome, there are 2 known solution that I have. 1. turn off hardware acceleration or use of graphic card on chrome or this 2nd method www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/930egn/set_force_color_profile_to_srgb_and_google_chrome/ you can try them out and let me know what works best for you. Also neither of these 2 solutions are what I find adequate because the color will look correctly on your computer, but it might no on others and that is also an issue in itself. *One more thing that you can do when you send your work out is to specify or recommend browsers that you recommend and tell them that Chrome might cause strange color issues. 4. What you need to do in this case is choose a primary display, if you are going to the color setting as I have outline in step 1. If you are going to use it between displays, then I would set the setting in step 1 RGB to sRGB or the color space that you are using. It is not targeting the monitor specifically but it will work too. I would test this out. About your images, I would always make sure that they are tagged with a profile sRGB or otherwise. Let me know if this works. And please follow up items that you need further explication or don't understand.
ArtIsRight your the best teacher I overthink very much things,. Now I’m looking in a page that I see renders www.mir.no , saving their images in my computer, I realice that making right click on them, in properties, found that them had put srgb color profile ( this company works with Eizo monitors, so not putting my image with the srgb embed mode is not the solution ). My point is very subjective, maybe having top monitor it’s no for all.. once, maybe about a month ago a client came to my office and saw the renders I sent him before.. the only thing he said was: “ wawww they look amazing, not like in my dell monitor ( he have a nice dell, not rgb but very accurate ) that was the time when my worlds come down and start thinking that this cant be happening.. if I’m looking a nice colored image on my calibrated monitor, they should see more or less the same.. thanks a lot Art, I’ll tried to figure it out what I’m doing wrong with your explanation.
When you profile your Benq monitor, the software writes the profile to the hardware LUT in the monitor, and writes an icc profile to windows system folder. What is in the windows icc file if the monitor already had a profile in its LUT? Thank you.
The icc profile on the system contains the color gamut, RGB Primary information, it lets the video card know the gamut to output and also tells the video card no to remap any color since that is done on the display.
Hi, I’m trying to calibrate My SW240 in DISPLAY P3, or custom. I’m using Display P3 parameters for R, G, B. I’ve set 2.2 gamma and k6500 but The final test calibration is not passed (failure) pc desktop windows 10. Can you help me please?
ArtIsRight Yes I have one calibration for adobeRGB one for sRGB,I was wondering if is possible Display P3 I'm curious to compare it with Apple devices (iPad or iPhone). I usually edit photos for the web. Thanks.
@Carlo Lagomarsini, I see. My best recommendation is to calibrate your display to panel native. The program that you are using to edit your photos are generally color aware. That means that if your photo, for instant, is tagged with Adobe RGB. Regardless of whatever the color gamut or colors space your display is in, those programs would do the color conversion in real time so that you are viewing the proper Adobe RGB read out. By doing it this way you are giving your photos the potential to grow into a larger color space rather than calibrating your display to a limited color gamut. As far as display P3 matching closely with Apple devices the answer to that is somewhat. Because Apple Devices are calibrated with DCI P3 not display P3 and there are slight differences between these two color spaces, however, Apple is also done further tweaking on that DCI P3 color space so that it will look different then the actual reference DCI P3. Even if you just editing the photos for web I would encourage you to avoid editing your photos for iPhone or iPad specifically because for the most part there are too many variables with these devices; for instants, screen brightness can change automatically depending on the user setting. Or I can be to bright or too dark, do user could have True Tone turn on which would then change the way how the screen color looks in, and if they have Night Shift on then the screen will go warm at night and go cooler during the day. You can check out this video on how to calibrate your BenQ to panel native ruclips.net/video/bz9y3db9vRI/видео.html
ArtIsRight Got it. Of course I saw The video, always instructive. I will do next calibration in panel native and they edit photo on Lightroom . Thanks for your time
Art, great to go back to some of these past sessions. After watching a bevy of your sessions it is starting to click in my brain and this session in particular allows the beginner to understand Rome wasn't built in a day and not to overthink it as you mention. It is a journey and we appreciate your guidance along the way. best...
I really like the analogy used here. If I use it in the video I'll credit you! If you have any more questions, you know who to ask ;)
@@ArtIsRightGlad you liked the analogy and yes you are the man to ask for sure. Thanks as always..
Anytime!
@@ArtIsRight Art, pardon if this may not be the right thread but my question: Do you have a preference when plugging in the i1 Display pro either into the side of the SW270C USB downstream port or plugging in directly into Mac Book Pro with USB Type C to USB Type A adapter when calibrating. Thanks...
Either one will work, it does not matter. It will come down to if you have enough ports left on your laptop, are they the right ports, etc. Or if your display is far away from the computer, then plugging it in on the display will work. For diagnostic, to eliminate variable plug the calibrator directly into the laptop. Hope this helps :)
This helps. I've been have troubling viewing images I've edited in any photo software/view (like Windows default photo viewer or a web browser screen). I feel like now I know that my calibration and edits are fine, I just need to view them post-processing differently.
@Kenneth Dillard, fantastic, if you have any more questions or if you want me to cover something specific please let me know.
Thank you ,,, a lot of info n details. Glade to watch this before going crazy with colors puzzle!
Glad to hear it!
Thank you for the D65 light bulb tip! Gonna use it asap :)
Any time!
Hey @ArtIsRight do you have a link of a D65 led light bulb? I can not find one. I have a lamp like you suggested but can't find the D65 led bulb! Thank you! Lisa W.
If you are based in the US, these retailer can't shipped light bulb to some states. But you can find them on amazon here www.amazon.com/6500k-led-bulb/s?k=6500k+led+bulb or Home Depot www.homedepot.com/b/Lighting-Light-Bulbs-LED-Light-Bulbs/6500/N-5yc1vZbm79Z1z0kuoz The other thing that you can do is call your local lighting store and see if they can special order some for you, I know I had to do that in the past.
One more thing that you can consider is this LED light box ruclips.net/video/XojivTm4UBI/видео.html this tend to work well for these type of setup.
Hey Art, I don’t mean to contradict you but with regards D50/ D65, my lab (Fujifilm) did recommend I calibrate to D50 because they said their lab screens are set to that colour temp - and it did help with my colour corrections/ accuracy. This was using a 4k iMac calibrated with i1profiler.
You can use either actually, not contradicting me but the lab in a sense in not you nor are they in your environment. Also D65 with 6500K bulb works just fine. Been doing it for more than 2 decades now :D
Yeah, so when I used D65 the screen one was a lot more blue, similar to iMac native - and when I received my prints they were a lot warmer than I wanted. So I calibrated for D50 and although my screen looked far too warm (sort of like night shift was switched on) my eyes did adjust and I edited my images accordingly - ie it made me adjust the colour temp to be cooler. Therefore when my prints came back this time they were matching. I’m about to profile my SW240 for the first time. I think i will save both D50 and D65 and see how I go. Is it advisable to have a different profile for daytime and nighttime? I am guessing yes as my ambient will differ as you mentioned. I was thinking about getting a desk lamp with DXX bulb as you suggested in another video and I understand why, but then it got me thinking. If the printed image is viewed under different lighting, e.g. I give it to someone as a gift and they hang it in their home, the colour will appear differently, right? It’s got me wondering why I’m even bothering :s. I know the same can be said for digital viewing sRGB etc - iPad vs Samsung tablet etc. but at least I know my audience in that regard.
Yes but what you didn't tell me is what light you use to proof the print, in general if the color / temperature match that of the display they you are good. Remember that print / display matching is for a moment in time while you are checking it, every other times you just have to let things fall where they may. You can have different profile for day and night, but I don't think that it is a good use of resources and it is not that helpful. I would just control the environment that you are editing in and proof or not with a proper light is up to you. There are benefits knowing that your prints matches but yes in other environment it would not.
@@ArtIsRight OK - thanks for the replies, Art.
:)
Viewing prints in control conditions will need a calibration close to the CCT of the light source for viewing. Recent viewing lights have choices at 6000K and above yet those equipped with older viewing boxes and or control lights will be 5000K. There were some Solux lights below that as well but displays do not do well at very low white points. I doubt very much that cheap LEDs will have a spectrum to make print to screen matching reliable.
@Neil Snape, I understand where you are coming from and I do share the thought with you. However, for anyone starting out or struggling with the issues of print matching, it will come much closer than what they were able to do before and that is really the goal here. In my testing, if you can get a light source with a high CRI, it comes fairly close. It won't be as good as if you use a really high quality production proof setup and then calibrate the print icc to the spectral output of the light. I know there are a very small group of photographers who own a full fledge color spectrophotometer, understands and does this kind of calibration, but the majority are not there yet and this is the bridge that I am building. Small steps and as always much appreciate your contribution to my channel through your comments! Thank you!
Hi...you make good tutorials. I really like the way you explain.
Actually I have a confusion that you might solve. I am a photographer and a cinematographer and edit my work on my MacBook Pro (15, late 2016). M currently planning to buy a professional monitor in a budget. M confused whether to buy a 1080p or WQHD or a 4k monitor. Can you please tell which monitor should I buy according to the MacBook I am using. thanks.
If you are not updating your machine 2K would probably be best, less taxing on the system. Do you work in 4K, if you do then 4K will make more sense but it is taxing on the system and with that machine you'll see lag. So a bit of a tough decision.
@@ArtIsRight thank you so so much for the advice and aslo one more question to ask… most of the 2k displays don’t have usb type c port .. and my MacBook only have usb c port. So will it be fine if i use a usb c to display port converter … or a usb c to display port cable ?? Will there be any loss of data ??
Nope, no loss, you'll be fine
@@ArtIsRight thank you so much for you advice and also the quick replies 😊.
Sure thing!
I purchased the SW 321C monitor last week and I was super excited to get it but now I'm extremely disappointed. I've had it for 6 days and must have calibrated it 100 times since its arrived. I've calibrated it using Palette Master and DataColor Spyder 5 Pro Colorimeter. I was not happy with results, calibration failed a bunch of times. I changed settings and it passed. But the colors look washed out and super dull.
I thought if I used a different colorimeter it may make a difference. I bought the X Rite X1 Display Pro Plus and used it about 20 times and have the exact same results but it did calibrate faster.
I called BenQ and the first guy Josh was very patient and helpful, after getting XRite colorimeter I called again, spoke with Ivan who was extremely UNHELPFUL.
Im at my wits end. I don't want to return it but it seems that's what I have to do.
Commented on last post, reach out to my Facebook page, message me and we'll go from there.
BenQ panel has a green tint tho relative to more neutral Apple Retina relative to my professional photo light box
This would depend on the model, they have made improvements in this area through out the years. Apple is the latest model and if you look at the latest BenQ this issue is more null than before.
Hi Art-Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us again...My SW321-C should be here next week. I have 2 questions...If I use PALETTE MASTER software to do my calibrations, is it IMPERATIVE that I buy a mechanical device too? i.e.....Can I get successful results without doing a mechanical calibration? Thank you.
@Craig Purdie, thank you for the question, in order to do a calibration you would need to use an eternal device, the one I recommend is the i1Display Pro or Pro Plus. What I would tell you to do is see how the preset mode looks out of the box first and see if that works for your spec and workflow.
@@ArtIsRight OK...so if the preset mode looks good, and works for Photoshop and DaVinci....then I would not need to purchase an external device?
@Craig Purdie, yes that is correct if the preset mode looks good then you are set for quite sometime, and when you are ready in the future then you can get a calibration device later on. This way you can spread the investment out a little.
@@craigpurdie3528 The factory validated and reported colour spaces are really the fondation of the monitors abilities. They are reporting the display character as an non modified response from a video card. Video cards themselves do not have much variation, yet system level APIs do. Thus what is sent out by the system+ video card can have a huge difference between host computers. That is why Art recommends calibrating. Now for video, what is really cool is get yourself an X-Rite Passport color checker video or photo. In Davinci color tab set your color match to the Passport you have and shot in the selection window and hit Match color. So simple, yet very effective. After just adjust your white point and use the vector scopes to assure the cours map out as expected, and compare those to your BenQ SW321C for excellent color correction, and add your grades after.
@Neil Snape, thank you again for chiming in. I'm glad that you use Davinci, I have not tested or played with the program yet. So far I have been using Final Cut Pro X and it has been working fine for me. I don't do too much advanced color grading. Do you use Davinci all the time? Is it your main editing program?
Hello! I’m really hoping to ask 2 questions here that I cant seem to find the answer to.
Im using a xRite i1D3 Pro Plus, for my LG CX using Calman Home for LG, and i1 Profiler for my Macbook.
Ive notice when i calibrate to D65 on my lg cx vs my mid 2014 macbook pro retina, they look different.
Ive been told to profile my meter with a spectro but that is out of my price range at the moment. Which leads to my first question:
1. How come if you profile your colorimiter to your display with a Spectro, you still need to perceptual match for D65 on certain displays, for example sony’s judd modification for the BVM X300. What is the point of profiling with a spectro if you still need to perceptual match. What would the spectro improve?
Other thing i’m noticing is that the iPhone 13, iPhone X and most iPhones ive seen all have a green tinted white point, even greener than calibrated D65 on my LG CX.
It is about as green as DCI P3 Whitepoint of x.314, y.351.
So i decided to try and do a test with a perceptual match to my iPhone whitepoint which came to x.3105, y.345 when using my i1D3 Pro Plus to calibrate my LG CX in Calman Home for LG. Which the calibration looks the same, no spectro nothing.
Only difference is in dark scenes the iPhone is greener, and lg cx is more blue. But the 100% white and most medium to bright scenes look exactly the same. Leading to my second question.
2. What is a known reference for D65? Is my calibrated mid 2014 macbook proper d65? Or would i of needed to use a spectro to my i1D3 Pro Plus?
Its hard to understand this metameric failure in displays..
All I want is a proper D65 whitepoint but it seems this is hard to achieve.
"Ive notice when i calibrate to D65 on my lg cx vs my mid 2014 macbook pro retina, they look different." It is not just only D65, it is also P3 gamut calibration. Apple tweak their P3 gamut from the standard spec which is why getting a match in that gamut is difficult. Also the display panel consideration and back light tech also makes matching something like this almost impossible, and with little possibility I advised against it. Because your icc will do doing so many adjustments beyond the minimal needed to be done and the result is tonal posterization.
"Ive been told to profile my meter with a spectro but that is out of my price range at the moment." That is more of a display cal suggestion rather than X-Rite and that has to do with changing the EDR file, this is really something that should not be done and any calibration of the colorimeter should be done at the service facility and not by the user. In addition, color spectrophotometer depending on which one that you use will have limitation. Color radiometer is better but that will cost $15K+ for the device and another $3K for the software license to get it running not to mention the know how.
1. That is for certain highend reference display and not for the general consumer / pro displays in the market. In general, we like to think that color spectro is better for calibration in general but that is really not always the case. As far as what you gained if you use a super highend, non x-rite spectro then there may be some advantage of precision, but if you use x-rite devices, no so much. This is not because it is not a good device but rather some wave length measurement limitation based on the driver.
About the iPhone, they are great displays but the calibration are going to be off a bit from one phone to the other. Many top end models for the past 4 years have been OLED so the screen will be more green and LED would be more green as well because Apple try to match all calibration to the PRO OLED models. OLED is inherently green.
When you are trying to do the match you are starting the see the screen display tech variation at the low-end. Not much can be done about this. Truth be told, the margin of error for display calibration is much boarder than the specific that you are trying to achieve. And at the end of the day, the basic fundamental still applies, different LCD panel, backlight tech, and on phones forget about it, no calibration post manufacture, different phone will have inherit varying color with the margin of error and everyone would setup their phone differently, brightness level, True Tone, screen protector, nightshift, etc.
2. Reference for Display P3 D65 is x=0.3127, y=0.3129 is for sRGB, and Adobe RGB. x=0.3140, y=0.3510 for DCI-P3 (theater). Is your 2014 MBP calibrated from factory with the know reference, yes but it has shifted over time and there's really no way to go in and adjust that at the hardware level unlike the newer MBP from 2021 so your best bet is use software calibration and ICC profile to adjust for this shift overtime. If you have a colorimeter use that over the spectro, like I said the spectro that you have is good but it is really best for print / physical media and not displays.
If you want everything proper then you need to consider getting a hardware calibrated display and have that as the reference and at the same time forget the smart phone and tablet calibration and what the white point is on those devices.
Hey Art! I just purchased a SW270C and it's driving me crazy! After 10 hardware calibrations I gave up and did a software calibration. My problem, in short, is that what I see on the monitor doesn't even get close to what I'm seeing on an ips mobile display. On an amoled display it looks good, but on an ips it looks very saturated and contrasting. Am I missing something? I convert my images in sRGB and give them 2048 on the long side in Photoshop for social media. The settings on the monitor are as follows: brightness 40% to match 120 cd, contrast native (50%), AdobeRGB, 6500k, Gama 2.2. My first photo edited on this monitor was a poppy field in the sunrise and while I was looking at a fairly good image, I got criticized about being too saturated. Overly saturated. And when I checked it on another device, it gave me headache. The reds were all over. And another thing with the reds, when I open Chrome the reds are oversaturated and they shift in a few seconds to a more desaturated look.
So based on our discussion off RUclips comments, for anyone who may wonder what the resolution was. Comparing the wide color gamut display to a phone can be tricky, they can all have different settings, truetone, night mode, different color calibration mode on. I understand that in a digital first world this can be concerning, but what any one sees on the BenQ display will print like the BenQ display. Proofing images to a phone can be challenging because everyone set theirs phone display differently and every manufacturers calibrate their display differently as well.
Thank you! What software would you recommend using to view Lightroom exported photos other than adobe products?
@Terence Wong, great question. I would say my first inclination is Bridge, but the performance on Mac really sucks, I don't know how bad Adobe can screw bridge up. There's another program for windows called XnView or something along that line that you can check out. For Mac you can use Finder and you'll be ok. Either way, let me research some programs that I can stand behind on the Windows side and get back to you. Perhaps, make a video of it. :)
@Terence Wong, the other program is IrFan View.
thank you so much for explain this .
@William Wu, you're welcome!
Hi Art.Im using sw270c,and right of the box on every single color profile,whites have strong magenta cast...i already do calibration with PME 13.1.17,but there is no change,still have white/magenta cast.Im on windows 11,followed yor instructions,d65,brightnes 100,dark room,and every time same result,whites are magenta.Any help?Thanks
magenta cast relative to what? What are you using as a reference? The reason why I asked is because perhaps you are not used to the magenta cast, however, it is the correct rendition. I'm not sure if this is the case or not, which is why I asked. Now this said, what color calibration device are you using? Also what cable are you using to link the computer to the display?
@@ArtIsRight thanks on a quick response...im using displayport cable,spyderx pro and also have two Dell displays se2719h and P2415Q.Both displays are calibrated with spider x at same settings,6500k 120 brightness and result is that white is white,but on Benq with PME and spyderx give me slight magenta/redish tint...same settings.M i doing something wrong?
Not sure if you can try this but I would give another calibrator a go such as Calibrite ColorChecker Display Pro.
Thank you again ! 🙏
@Shürhongu Kire, anytime ☺️
Still rocking that purple shirt! Wait is it blue? Pink? Red? Green? Yellow? Who knows? My monitors aren't calibrated... 🤣😂
Art you are right! I'm just waiting for my stimulus and tax refund check, whichever gets here sooner is covering the cost of my new BenQ monitor and calibration system. Are you available to help install? And does it come with a purple shirt?
@3-Piece, yes please reach out to me and purple shirt not included 😂
Thank you for making these comments fun!
Hi art!
I recently bought asus PA32UC and I hardware calibrated that with my i1 display pro. The setting was srgb/rec709 ,gamma2.4
D65, 100cd/m and results look too contrasty and far away from what I get with i1 profiler (native rec709 mode is closer to results I get with i1 profiler) (i1 profiler is also set at d65,gamma2.4,100cd/m)
What am I doing wrong?
I am not sure what you might be going through, it could be that their hardware calibration app does not generate an icc for the system to use. I wish I could be more help.
@@ArtIsRight thank you for your help anyways! Your content helped a lot!
Thank you!
You're welcome.
Hi Art, I have the 2700pt and now going for the 270C, and that issue of colors between what I see on windows, or chrome, basically we’re all my clients look my work ( architect visualization ), I can’t say, buy bridge or some software that is calibrated to look what I’m sending to you, so here are my question and the strange way that I found a solution looking the same colors in photoshop, monitor, and chrome.
1. Set photoshop not to srgb profile, and put in that place my monitor calibration, in my case I work just with srgb. Then save it to jpg and don’t embed any color profile.
2. When i run the calibration I do it in native mode ( not srgb, rgb, etc ) because I think this is going to calibrate all of them.
3. Can I calibrate it with xrite software ? Because I have a second NEC monitor that have that calibration profile. This could be a mess and I know that you said in one of your videos, tried not to overthink. But I have to see what I’m posting on the web.
4. This is the last one, if had calibrated the monitor in standard mode:
- I open photoshop, open my image in srgb color space, and then save it like that. To look properly later I will have to put the monitor in srgb mode ? Or just live it in the calibration mode that was done. It’s like very confusing if I have to change it to srgb color mode ( on the monitor ) I was reading around and found that most monitor that of course are srgb, run in standard or native mode, even they are srgb.
Sorry for this mess! You explain very well all! Notice that I’m not from USA, im from Argentina and that’s why English is so bad. Hope you can help me to avoid this “problems”.
@Ona Viz, thanks for the comment. Here are a few of my thoughts?
1. In PS - Menu Edit - Color Setting. In the dialog the first box, next to RGB in the drop down list choose the monitor profile that you created using PME. What you want to do is scroll down the list to the icc or icm profile, do not choose monitor profile - icc profile, when choosing this, PS treats color policy differently.
2. Yes calibrate in Panel Native, not because it is going to calibrate all of them but it because it will give you the largest color space possible and you can use the maximum gamut from your panel.
3. You can use the X-Rite Software, but I do recommend against that. Is your NEC a hardware calibrated model or not? If it is then calibrate NEC using Spectraview, if is not then use i1Profiler to calibrate it. Then calibrate your BenQ using PME. Know that the color will never match, due to different panel manufactures, backlight technology, age, etc. But that is ok, they'll come close.
*I understand that you have to proof your work on the web, however, you have arrived at a big variable that is out of your color management control. You do not know what screen, computer, os they are running on, and if they are on the phone, table, etc. The best that you can do in this case is making sure that you edit your images or work on a properly calibrated display.
*With regards to chrome, there are 2 known solution that I have. 1. turn off hardware acceleration or use of graphic card on chrome or this 2nd method www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/930egn/set_force_color_profile_to_srgb_and_google_chrome/ you can try them out and let me know what works best for you. Also neither of these 2 solutions are what I find adequate because the color will look correctly on your computer, but it might no on others and that is also an issue in itself.
*One more thing that you can do when you send your work out is to specify or recommend browsers that you recommend and tell them that Chrome might cause strange color issues.
4. What you need to do in this case is choose a primary display, if you are going to the color setting as I have outline in step 1. If you are going to use it between displays, then I would set the setting in step 1 RGB to sRGB or the color space that you are using. It is not targeting the monitor specifically but it will work too. I would test this out. About your images, I would always make sure that they are tagged with a profile sRGB or otherwise.
Let me know if this works. And please follow up items that you need further explication or don't understand.
ArtIsRight your the best teacher I overthink very much things,.
Now I’m looking in a page that I see renders www.mir.no , saving their images in my computer, I realice that making right click on them, in properties, found that them had put srgb color profile ( this company works with Eizo monitors, so not putting my image with the srgb embed mode is not the solution ). My point is very subjective, maybe having top monitor it’s no for all.. once, maybe about a month ago a client came to my office and saw the renders I sent him before.. the only thing he said was: “ wawww they look amazing, not like in my dell monitor ( he have a nice dell, not rgb but very accurate ) that was the time when my worlds come down and start thinking that this cant be happening.. if I’m looking a nice colored image on my calibrated monitor, they should see more or less the same..
thanks a lot Art, I’ll tried to figure it out what I’m doing wrong with your explanation.
@Ona Viz, you're welcome and if you need further expliantino, please ask or follow up. You are on the right track!
When you profile your Benq monitor, the software writes the profile to the hardware LUT in the monitor, and writes an icc profile to windows system folder. What is in the windows icc file if the monitor already had a profile in its LUT? Thank you.
The icc profile on the system contains the color gamut, RGB Primary information, it lets the video card know the gamut to output and also tells the video card no to remap any color since that is done on the display.
sir if i purchase new system should i calibrate my display again?
yes
@@ArtIsRight thank u sir
Hi, I’m trying to calibrate My SW240 in DISPLAY P3, or custom. I’m using Display P3 parameters for R, G, B. I’ve set 2.2 gamma and k6500 but The final test calibration is not passed (failure) pc desktop windows 10. Can you help me please?
@Carlo Lagomarsini, are you able to pass calibration in Panel Native or Adobe RGB? What's the reason behind choosing Display P3 as the RGB primary?
ArtIsRight Yes I have one calibration for adobeRGB one for sRGB,I was wondering if is possible Display P3 I'm curious to compare it with Apple devices (iPad or iPhone). I usually edit photos for the web. Thanks.
@Carlo Lagomarsini, I see. My best recommendation is to calibrate your display to panel native. The program that you are using to edit your photos are generally color aware. That means that if your photo, for instant, is tagged with Adobe RGB. Regardless of whatever the color gamut or colors space your display is in, those programs would do the color conversion in real time so that you are viewing the proper Adobe RGB read out. By doing it this way you are giving your photos the potential to grow into a larger color space rather than calibrating your display to a limited color gamut. As far as display P3 matching closely with Apple devices the answer to that is somewhat. Because Apple Devices are calibrated with DCI P3 not display P3 and there are slight differences between these two color spaces, however, Apple is also done further tweaking on that DCI P3 color space so that it will look different then the actual reference DCI P3. Even if you just editing the photos for web I would encourage you to avoid editing your photos for iPhone or iPad specifically because for the most part there are too many variables with these devices; for instants, screen brightness can change automatically depending on the user setting. Or I can be to bright or too dark, do user could have True Tone turn on which would then change the way how the screen color looks in, and if they have Night Shift on then the screen will go warm at night and go cooler during the day. You can check out this video on how to calibrate your BenQ to panel native ruclips.net/video/bz9y3db9vRI/видео.html
ArtIsRight Got it. Of course I saw The video, always instructive. I will do next calibration in panel native and they edit photo on Lightroom . Thanks for your time
@Carlo Lagomarsini, yes please try that out and if you have any questions about it please contact me :)