Alicia Keys' messy love triangle: How her career was affected
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- Alicia Keys, her husband Swizz Beatz, and her husband's ex-wife, Mashonda, drew a lot of attention on social media when they all sat down together to promote Mashonda's new book called "Blend."
The book details the importance of successfully co-parenting together, in spite of some undesirable circumstances.
Mashonda was previously married to Swizz Beatz, but their marriage ended after Swizz had an affair with Alicia Keys. Since then all three of them were able to heal and blend their families together.
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Mashonda is not over this.. She's still hurting and you can hear it in her voice. She's just doing what she has to do.
Agree and that's not all....her and swiss knew each other since children...I mean she was never the side chick...she was with swiss when he had nothing...it's a history behind them two...and your right....she just going along with that shit...
She should have alicia keys locked away for breaking her marriage
@@ratricebowden1699 it's actually heartbreaking to see her pretend to be ok with this mess. AK's career may have 'suffered' but THEY haven't seen karma yet. God don't like ugly.
Ratrice Bowden she has some heartache prior to Alicia too. You see the older son that he has.... her and another women were both pregnant at the same time. But she lost that baby. And the girl had his son Prince Nasir. I saw in another interview Alicia said she knew him since they were 14 so I wonder did she know Mashonda way back then too? And he had a little girl in-between on Mashonda as well with a woman from another country. Hell she should be a part of Blend too.
😭😭😭 That's heartbreaking but true. Her heart must ache every damn day. I hope she finds her a good man.
The only one who is actually being challenged to show maturity is mashonda. The other two are just on the receiving end of her grace.
Basically! They had no growing up to do they got what they wanted Ultimately..
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So accurate. What have they had to change or sacrifice? This and the Blended family song is just an attempt to resuscitate AK's career.
Very wise statement
FACTS!!!
When Swiss was married to mashonda he got another girl pregnant so he's been a cheater his whole life but no backlash on him
I did not add that reply
Exactly! The focus is always on the women!
So watch out Alicia .
What happened to his other kid?
Stay quiet y'all. Swiss beats is playing his part 😏
Mashonda probably came to the realization that Alicia did her a favor. Once a cheater always a cheater. Alicia will find out if she hasn't already. The way you get them is the way you lose them.
The way you get them is the way you lose them? Not true. Once a cheater always a cheater? Also not true. Boys take a long time to become men. You just gotta hope that when you meet that guy that he's already got that boyhood in the rearview mirror. Don't be a woman who is with a "boy" unless you willing to go through the hell of waiting for him to become a man.
Once a cheater is not always a cheater that just may be your experience with men you dated.
@@ann-mariemeurs952 man shut'cho dumbasd up
@@tavaresmelton4019 lmao 😂😂
He cheated on Alicia
Call me petty but i do not want to be friend with the person that cheated with my husband.... I won't be buying their book
I dont blame you i wouldnt either I'll just be cordial
We’ll I think Mashonda doing that shows growth. I understand where you’re coming from, but from I gather Mashonda is a God fearing women. You need to forgive in order to be forgiven, Jesus was revived and sold over to be killed yet he still went and died for the one who even sold him over.
She knows she can’t be malice him and still go-parent it never works. There needs to be a mutual agreement, but she went beyond that because she knew it’s more beneficial to actually get along, she’s clearly happy within herself and has no feelings for him at this point because she found true worth in herself!
So that’s what makes her a strong women.
I agree you can forgive and move on. But I wouldn’t be her home girl. She might steal my next husband lol
@@user-wz4mu9ok7q lollll exactly!
They are having a threesome
Why is nobody giving Swiss Beatz hell?! He is the dawg! Sorry.
@@scarlethottie3955 Stfu...get your racist a$$ and go take a long eternal nap. But, you love watching black people though, and a black womans channel at that...if your black speaking in such a way, to you the same as the latter.
Mikey Bustos Vlogs because he's got talent lol
Money. Babe that's why.
EXACTLY
Factssssss!
ALL I KNOW... MASHONDA IS BETTER THAN ME
Girl, yeen Neva lied. Couldn't be me.
Meee tooo
Yeeeeeep!
Lahciram Eromyes Big Facts!! It’s ONE thing to forgive but bih we ain’t becoming besties!
Lol girlll
Why wasn’t anyone going in on the husband 🙄 I will never understand.
Right that's what I was saying , it's like he had nothing to say no remorse no nothing ...nobody ever came at him about it only Alicia and Lord knows she was foul asab for pulling that shit .
I know
Thank you!
Ppl generally expect better from a woman
Cause he's rich
This would never fly if it were men. Men aren’t going to be up there talking about “brotherhood”....whatever. Women always have to take the L
I agree
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FACTS 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
I was going to say Bruce Willis & Ashton Kutcher coming together for the kids but Ashton was dating Demi at the time but then I said naw that’s not a good example
Demi didn’t cheat on Bruce for Ashton & have them come together for the kids 😩😩😩
men tend not to care as much as us. they think with their "dick" and not with their hearts. they will dump us and move on with so quick.
I have to disagree. I have a family member whose husband is super cool with her ex-husband. Because they have children together, they will always be in each others lives. Its easier to try your best to get along, than to keep up drama because of hurt feelings.
"Laying it low and spreading it wide" lmao that still cracks me up
Haha haha 😭😭😭
Spreading nothing but sperm, venereal disease & dysfunction.
Tragic
Ha ha! Alright Ms. Evelyn!
Me too! 🤣🤣🤣
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Don't NORMALIZE THIS. LOVE YOURSELF !
Say it again for the people in the back!
And your spouse only!!!!!
Apostle Glenda- Ann Jiles 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Apostle Glenda- Ann Jiles I totally agree I’m not buying the blended crap I think they are sharing him just my opinion
Okkkuurrrtt!! Honey cause they done made this up!
She's taking it for the sake of her son. He's the most important thing in her life. She's a true mother bc she KNOWS it's not about her. Wow!!
She need a real man by her that could be a real role model
Exactly.
I think you are romanticizing this situation... a lot of parents co-parent and get along but this whole story that they are one big family who love each other and are gonna "share" grandkids is suspect
Jada & will did the same w/o the extra "we are one" BS
@@Potencylogic If she do get a real man, keep him away from Alicia. Alicia is a woman without morals and would have no problem participating in the destruction of another relationship.
@@MrFundementalOne ,
I know I'm late to this party and I apologize for that, but how is Alicia the bad woman here? 🤷🏾♂️ Swizz Beats is the one you should be directing your vitriol to. Not Alicia. I don't see Alicia as a home wrecker. Bottom-line; a divorced/married man left his wife/ex-wife for her. Alicia can't help it if her cookie is more desirable. That's an amazement that both black women can still be good friends after-the-fact! 😳
Alica sitting there like she is in the CLEAR, you are NOT and Karma can't be bullshitted.
The wife forgave and she passed her test but Karma is still waiting to pay Alica back.....
I use to love her music but NOT ANYMORE......
Even the wife needs to have balance, ALICA is NOT YO friend.....#NEXT
I wonder if Alicia would be the x wife's friend if she slept with her X husband again. Nope, unless they where willing to become sister wives.....Calling out bullshit.....
#NEXT
And SB looking like a scared hostage trapped in his own self created, sister wives hell.
You are a sad person...you never truly loved her music....It takes 2 to tango & he wasn’t happy in his marriage. Yes they BOTH went about it the wrong way but nobody knows what goes on behind closed door. So stop judging & get a life. I personally will continue to buy her music because as an artist..SHE IS FANTASTIC!!!! Her personal life is her business!!!!
Mashonda dose not look happy. She can fake it all she wants. She will always look at Alica as a home wrecker. I feel it for Mashonda, for her to put her feelings aside for her son. Wow that speaks volumes.
Amen
Yep, putting her feelings aside for her son...and her career.
It takes two to make it,it takes two to break it.
Kendra Williams AGREED!!
That Just Shows What An AMAZING WOMAN SHE IS ❤️ MASHONDRA💖 YOU ARE BLESSED AND ALL I'LL SAY IS ONLY GOD! PLUS I SEE WHAT YOUR DOING! HAHAHA! This Way You STILL GET TO RUN EVERY DAMN THANGGG 💋 💖 IDGAF YOU GO GURL, HELL I'D WEAR MANY FACES TOO! BUT SEE THAT'S GROWN FOLKS STUFF ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL MISS IT, BUT YOU & ME! ARE RIGHT HERE! KEEP YA FRIENDS CLOSE, BUT YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER! HUMMM 🤔🤔 🤔, NOW I'M JUST GONNA SIT RIGHT HERE AND SIP MY TEA AND CLUTCH MY I'M IMAGINARY PEARLS🤫🤫🤫🤫😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You will never see 2 MEN sitting next to their baby mama
chreis2002 neva eva
you obviously aren’t around enough powerful women 😂😂😂
chreis2002 Exactly...men don't do this stupid shit ...cum bye yah together with the woman
Muva Lex not powerful.....just slooow and gullible...Swiss loving this
Tina Renfroe I’m not saying anything about them I was saying a powerful woman can have two men acting like them. When you have something to offer. Men are loyal as fuck to whom they wanna be loyal to!! a woman can have multiple men loyal to them too 😂
She gave up her career to have a family with him and he left her for alicia. No respect for swiss or alicia.
I swear I said the same. I didn’t even know that she was an artist first. So sad what we sacrifice for the wrong piece of sh!t
Father's think before you act. The children feel all the pain of your selfish actions.
Starry Night Scream it to the mountain tops!
Starry Night THANK YOU! That part really messed me up 😢
Absolutely
Say that again for the people in the back.
Starry Night yup
I don’t care...will never ever revisit her career as a fan...you don’t build your house on top of someone else’s home. PeriodT!
I can't
All the naysayers please get over yourselves... they are human as we all are..smhd... check y'all selves first plz and thank you
I am happy for all three.
Wahu __ she damn sure sounds like it 😂trying to excuse this bs
Wahu __ Mary sounds like the “friend” you don’t leave alone in your house😂😂😂
Say that ! We’ll never take our foot off her neck
Mashonda is a real woman. May her next husband BE MORE ATTRACTIVE, MORE PAID, AND MORE FAITHFUL Than anything SWISS BEATS WAS, IS, OR EVER WILL BE.💯💖
Amen, amen, amen!
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Lucy Lu 😭😭😭
Amen! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
what next husband this is adultery you bound to your husband for the rest of your life..she can not remarry..
I was the Mashonda in the story & my son always came first so I forgave them & we co-parent but we're not friend's
Cheaters will always be cheaters bcuz he cheated on her & she cheated on him & they broke up but God didn't forget me bcuz i found the love of my life & I'm so happy now😍❤
Thank god!!!🙏🏽
He's a broke man probably a narcissist
That's what's up I smile
💜💜💜💜
I'm mashonda and it hurts...I have to act like everything is peach while my husband is happy with his mistress now girlfriend.
Mashonda is very very beautiful to😊
True
SO pretty
Yesssssssss I agree!
She's beyond beautiful!! I'm in love with her
She put the love of her child first. Great! He lost out on a high level woman.
A O WORD !
Yass he did
Truly. But it's honestly a matter of time before Alicia and Swiss break up. No matter if it's years from now, relationships like that just don't usually last. I just hope Moshanda doesn't take him back once that happens!
I’m sorry but if I was Mashonda, I’d respect their relationship from afar. Their son is old enough now for her to let him know why she wouldn’t be associating herself with them if she chose that route. That picture of Swiss and Alicia at the beach kissing with Mashonda sitting next to them was sad af.
It’s like Swiss and Alicia are paying her to make them look like what they did wasn’t a big deal. I recall Mashonda on LHH showing her mansion and how she was selling it bc Swiss left her for another woman and she couldn’t afford it anymore. Idk it’s just something odd about this situation.
Them and the industry trying to paint a shitty pretty picture with flowers in it and both Swiss and Alicia Cheese need the money.
Mashonda is the definition of a strong and righteous woman! She put her feelings aside for the love and growth of her son. Many blessings to Mashonda!!!
She is not strong. She went and MARRIED Swizz AFTER he cheated on her and had a baby with someone else. THAT IS NOT STRONG. That is weak and smells like a GOLD DIGGER. Why else would anyone ever disrespect themselves like that? Love ain't that strong but money sure is.
Swizz Cheats will eventually cheat on Alicia Keys if he hasn't done so already.
I hope he does so AK gets a taste of her own medicine. How do you marry a man who knows he would cheat in the first place. No excuse.
Yep, or vice versa, lol it's called Karma
Not "CHEATS!" That comment made my day!
Oh yes, the way you get someone is the same way you'll lose them
Yeap, probably with Mashonda 😂 if he hasnt already.
I feel soo bad for Mashona no one deserve to go through this 💔
right
Been single ever since too.
I get it.. forgiveness! Which is cool. But being homegirls. Lol 😂 that’s hella weird. We cn be cordial but not friends. Wth u stole my husband. It’s got to b the 💴.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂. Right !’n
whew child at this point in my life i wouldn't & couldn't I applaud mashonda cause MI NAH B UR FREN & that is 4 life kid or no damn kid
MK912 u r right on that... lol men kill me when they say it was a mistake! So u just mistakenly fell into sum pussy. Man git outta here wit dat. ✋
Weirdos
That's all it is
I went through this with My sons father left me for my friend. I don’t care anymore but it’s the betrayal that still hurts. We literally have to do everything separately like bdays and holidays because he doesn’t understand how hard it is to look someone in the face that betrayed u in the worse way. They act like they did nothing wrong.
Stay strong , you will find a man who will cherish you until the end and a better friend who would never do that to you!! 💜
I feel u but she was nvr your friend she was an associate
Snakes....I been there also with my daughter father and my neighbor.
I’m sorry you went through that.. I hope things are so much better now 🙏🏽
Ya gotta stop choosing the wrong niggas.
You know that man, YOU chose that man.
Same energy with niggas with bad BM. You know that woman, YOU a chose that woman.
Personally i feels like they are making it comfortable for men to end their marriage and be with the side chick. And as woman we have to just suck it up and do it for the kids........ he didn't think about the kids when he cheated and put her through all that hurt. ITS A NO FOR ME!!!!!!!
I sooooo agree... I don't hear them saying anything about him. It's the women being talked about. I would forgive but we wouldn't be friends.
Ms Pequita AGREE TOTALLY WITH YOU
@RKELLYSCOCO you don't have to stay that way, you also don't have to become best friends with the individual
@RKELLYSCOCO you make a good point, but the thing here is that they are making this natural when it's not. It's not okay to hurt the person you decided to be with. It's not ok to cheat on the person you say you love. It's not ok to hurt your kids. It's not ok to leave your family behind and have them suffer with the pain of loosing you to someone else and much more. All of this is not ok. His wife was happy with where they stood regardless of what was shaky she was good with her husband. He as the man felt other wise and decided to sleep with two women who both have kids by him. Alicia only gets the ring because she WAS making music and making money. That's the only reason looks like to me atleast. This would make any normal person who ever loved feel some kind of way. If not bitter they are broken and hurt.
This X Factor or American Idol or what? ITS A NO FOR ME!
IMA HAVE TO GO WITH A NO! SORRY!
This is so weird to me. You sleep with my husband over and over until you get married (while pregnant) and now I must accept you as a sister?! Oh hell naw. I'd forgive you eventually but we can't be lovey dovey
Duduzile Zwane exactly 👌🏽
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Coatcheckgirl Thank you I was waiting for a comment I got that Minaj feel like a 3some
Sisterhood? More like sister wives. Weird.
Alicia Keys is biracial 🤦🏾♀️
trijntje oosterhuis That sounds very anti-black lol. She’s half white which is why she doesn’t “need weaves”. If her natural hair were a 4C spherical afro would you still feel that way? 🤔
E M. So fake 😂😂😂
That's exactly what I said
Nasty . I understand the mom did it for her kid but alicia can give 2 fucks about him
Ain't no way I could ever sit down with my ex husbands mistress but I'm sure she did it for her son so I respect it.
I could be civil but I'm not gonna be keekeeing with the bih.
kennisha if can’t beat them join them.
Maybe in the long run when she’s over him and the situation and she’s moved on
Shitttt i have a 16 year old son my son was 1 years old when his father stepped out on me and got his uncle wife pregnant!!!!!! Till this day I wanna beat her ass its long story. She won't come around me for shitttttt!!!!!!!!
Alicia doesn't sleep around though yes of course she was wrong but if she was that type of woman I wouldn't wanna chill with her either.
Alicia AND Swiss are WRONG! No respect for either of them.
Linda Alice exactly
They deserve each other..
May her career Rest In Peace
Okay.... so you take my husband, the father of my children.... break up my home and now years later we're best friends....hanging out together.....vacationing together. GTFOH! For the sake of my kids I could see being on level terms with you but *friends*? Girl, Bye!!
Frfr...just to promote the book. The smiles and body language say it all...and Swizz know he betta stay shut.
agree!
Right?! That's some BS. I would never. A friend did something similar with a guy I used to see, and people think I should remain friends with her :-D The fact that someone is able to do that shows the level of respect they have for your friendship. Absolutely no sense of loyalty and trust.
Right!!! Now i know how to be cordial with your ass. We can be in the same room hold conversations..but im not about to be your best friend and thats on some grown women ish..Alicia ass know what she doing..women have to do better..dont do shit you dont want done to you..she shouldve curved his ass cause he was married..of course yall got 2gether cause he fucked up his marriage cheating with yo ass..my concern is the kids..glad they came to their senses and wrked it out for the kids..well mashonda did cause the thr other 2 welll..mmkay
Sorry, hell NO, Alicia....how could u!!!?
No lie, Mashonda is Gorgeous‼️✔️
honeybdream
You ain't lying!
very
Very beautiful!
honeybdream Gorgeous
Way cuter that apicia
That poor woman . I bet you if Alicia was in her shoes .. it wouldn’t be the same 🤦🏻♀️
And i think your right
She wouid have more songs for her next album
Power of the purse
Swiss is a dog. No loyalty at all. And Alicia. I am disappointed. Wow. Karma girl. Thats all I have to say. Enjoy your polygamy because hes still sleeping with them.
I agree he is. This is a true dysfunctional relationship.
How ironic that she has a song called karma the tea is steaming hot
It's okay to be cool for the kids. Beyond that seems perverted.
Oh absolutely, he is the common denominator here. What is the huge draw with that guy?
Futt Buck i bet dude is just a smooth talker... And packing...
A coworker that just had his fifth child wit his wife ... Told me "your eyes are so piercing .... They can stare right into my soul "... Lol dude tried to make that comment causal... In so many words I told him 'I gave my soul to God a long time ago so save your flattery for your wife'
I want Mashonda to find a man! They turned her into the 3rd wheel 🤦🏽♀️
hairbyshaundatv right! It makes me cringe for her. 😩😩
Or worser then that how bout the help, you seen them pics of all three of them together shonda looks so out of place she more like the nanny i just could never could never be me.
"Oh so you have a better answer genius" your so smart why would any woman stay single that amount time to eventually team up with the husband and his new wife and become a trio un less there sister wives and were all along.
THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS DONE AND AS YOU SEE BLACK WOMEN FALL FOR THIS. THIS IS SO DEGRADING.
She won't find a man she has one already the on the left or right depending on how you facing your phone or pc
Alicia Keys and Swiss Beats will always be trash! Ain't that much pretending in the world ...
k Carson Amen !!!!
Alicia’s career hasn’t been the same since she got with Swizz. The difference is clearly visible.
2 hits out,, and a best seller book this month.
Natalie Fox What hits? I haven’t heard anyone talk about her recent songs. Maybe to the older generations her music is still popping. 😗😗✋🏾✋🏾
@@shyclear9994 her book recent last month,, her 2 new songs. Go research, look like you still living in the last decades!!
@@nflux2971 2 hits don't mean shit ain't nobody fucking with her anymore 😂😂
@@orionb5217 I screamed😂😂😂
Mashonda is gorgeous!!!
More than alicia imo
@@tonywebb5464 I agree
Always playing 👂on lighter skin complexion. Not 😎.
Riqochet Rose Tarot yes she is
@Light angel If Alicia Keys was more brown,then..,this DRAMA definitely would read different.
People don’t even know or understand. . . . . This whole situation is what started Love & Hip Hop
Chris Reed Do tellll.....
Chris Reed wow I did not know
Preach bro preach let me get u a mic🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤
Right I remember on love and hip hop the wife was saying how her and Alicia was close friends.
Wooooow
I was a die hard fan of Alicia Keys until this. I am not excusing Swiss by no means, this is his fault. But she doesn’t get a pass either. I’m glad they are able to co-parent BIG KUDOS to Mashonda for being the bigger person and putting her feelings to the side for the children.
Men lie to keep any good thing going .. so they can have they cake and eated .. he had already been cheating on his wife b4 Alicia she didnt break up abything
@@micahaelasamuels4272 Women cheat and lie too....#justsaying
@Maip video I'm not pointing the finger empress, just saying it happens with both sexes....
Angela East Amen
Amen
Whatever! Alicia Keys will always be a homewrecker in my eyes. Next....
TRUE INDEED!
Ooh. You favor Beverly Johnson so much.
The gods blessed you!
How?? Swizzy stepped out.....Swizzy hit raw.
Nani Wattz they weren’t equally responsible? Their relationship wasn’t consensual? I mean... I guess
Nyla Khan What’s your point ? She still knew he was taken, yet she still decided to mess around with him. As a women if you know that a guy is taken you shouldn’t mess with him period. Because eventually once you fully get with him he’ll do the same thing to you.. I mean you lose em how you get em, so just save yourself the heartbreak and don’t even try it.
I lost all admiration and respect for Alicia after she pulled this stunt.
I agree I used to love her. I cannt have respect for her or anyone like her.
Same
What's up female's need to except when it's over there's no brakes in a marriage then get back together the next woman is waiting female's want a brake so that they can leave the man and it don't work now she's discussed with herself.
Yup I was like, what happened...loved Alicia! ...my jaws dropped when I found out.
@@darrenhawkins9040 he was still married though
Idc we can co parent be cordial & all tht good stuff but I'm not going on vacation with my ex husband & his wife knowing my realationship was destroyed in the process. I can be mature about the situation but I will not have their children & marriage shoved in my face all the time. Ijs🤷♀️🤷♀️
I totally agree
Mashonda is MAD! idc idc..
I agree with that!!!
D. Reed #FACTS💯💯
D. Reed agreed
I think he’s still sleeping with Mashonda on the low 😏😂
She’s still very pretty
Alicia’s career and vocals were never the same after he left his wife for her
I think they both still sleeping with Mashonda on the low lol 😂😂
I believe they are all 3 sleeping together...they take Mashonda on trips with them
I've heard a lot of ppl say that about Alicia
Peep how Alicia is always in the middle..thats both of their woman lol
Smdh ratchet ass thinking, it's called MATURITY go learn how to be mature ✌ instead of assuming shit✌
I feel for Mashona... I haven’t listened to Alicia since everything came out
Nope. Not even on RUclips
She is not getting my support.
Me too you would think because of the type of songs she sings about girl power and cheating she wouldn't have been a mistress herself and marry a cheater 😂
Mashonda is totally way more beautiful than Alicia the adulterous
Well Alicia don’t be surprised when it happens to you. Because what you put out in this universe will definitely come back.
Yes girl, yes! Once a cheater...
👍Exactly.
Yes!
Silk yup u see all the karma Khloe getting back for what she did
The one that forgives is the strongest of all
Well then I'm weak..weak as a fetus! ✌
There is forgiveness and there is foolishness. God is the only one who can truly forgive. God doesn't Co sign this gross behavior. God doesn't say.. Be friends with a woman who stole your husband and ruined your kids ability to have a father.
God doesn't say it. God detested this. It's a big deal to God
I’ll forgive you from a far .. I’ll be cordial but not BFFs 🤯
AMEN
The problem is sometimes we forgive too easily and try to oversee the ugliness of People. Just because Someone asks for forgiveness doesnt mean they really mean it. They just want to be rid of the responsibility. Someone who truly apologizes doesnt repeat the same mistake and a bad choice and that my friend earns truly a forgiveness.
If Mashona was the one to step out I highly doubt that swizz beats would be all buddy buddy and hanging out with a man who participated in destroying his marriage, calling him his brother. Women do and accept things that men never would. We can be mature and co parent but that is it especially because of how the marriage ended.
Exactly
It's called nature versus nurture it's a reason why women can do it and Men struggle with it we are not the same
Boss Babe
This is a press run to help AK because AK career has went down since it was reveled she was with this man. 🤷🏽♀️
@@studyfirst3335 I am not agreeying with your reasoning on this.
For Da Love of money 💯
I see a lot of the comments focusing on Alicia Keys...but it takes 2 to tango. Don't forget Swizz Beats cheated on Mashonda with another woman as well with whom he had a child.
Exactly!! Like how dare they blame her
@@meriemradhi5481 It looks like that marriage was over on his part wayyy before alicia got there.He had a baby with another random woman before alicia got there .
Julia Whitehall So that makes it Okay for Alicia to Do It! And He didn’t leave Mashonda then He Left when he got with Alicia tad difference secondly She’s A Fucking Woman Herself She Should Know How It Feels!!! So Yess It’s All Alicia Fault with her Fake Ass
Yes and yet Alicia Keys STILL CHOSE TO MARRY HIM...thats what scares me
Gosh blame the guy too.
fake smiles and lot of pretending. smh
nothingmuch44 You know. 👌
That’s what I’m saying I been put in that situation twice (meaning I been cheated on and had to look the girls he cheated on me with in the eyes) but no way in hell I will make up with them and we become buddies like it never happened.
Demetra Williams she saw a change in her son for the worse. She just put her son first. I don't have a problem with my ex wife husband but we not hanging buddies.
MR JRH I see where you coming from
U know it
The patriarchy is real though! A husband will go out, cheat on his wife and dishonour his vows...and yet, it's the woman who gets blamed🤔
Nonhlanhla Masondo that’s terrible
True that
Nobody is blaming the woman. Alicia Keys was the bigger star so her name takes a bigger hit
If she knows he's married then YES she should be blamed as well! At some point it stops being about gender and more about being a decent a human being!
I was waiting on this comment. Completely agree
So I’m supposed to be friends with someone that took my husband ok foh
Nichole Green hell no not me I’m sorry
I would not even want his ass after that lol. Alicia is ratchet for being a sidechick but Swiss is worse for being an unloyal husband
Nichole Green I think for my child and my own sanity, Id have to accept this and be cordial but we’d never be friends or buddy buddy like they are. NEVER
Nichole Green exCtly 👌🏽 I caaant
Lmao 😂 😂
I'm still finding this so called happy ending problematic. I feel like wives in the Entertainment Industry are too quick to accept these toxic men back into their lives. These men's actions are exclusively self serving, We've got to stop taking philandering and disloyalty so lightly. This is unsavory.
Nichole Sloan I agree with you. I think this is going too far. I think it teaches the kids it is ok to cheat and be cheated on and then all hug. I think children need to be taught by example no one should settle for that disrespect and deciept.
They in a sister wives situation no one can tell me otherwise.
Right? I'm convinced Alicia wrote Mashonda a nice check to shut her up and now they share Swizz Cheatz and have threesomes. #Hollyweird
Right!! Fuck they think they fooling...
@@JosiePosieWosie012 ahahajaj Swizz cheatz
They all free fuckin each other playing house
@@JosiePosieWosie012 👀👀👀
They do too much together...... Swizz got TWO wives! lol
El Hammondez probably having 3somes....ain't no way I could do it...they better people than I'll ever be👌
It did sorta sound like a sister wives situation but, if they are happy that’s all that matters 🙃
Nah its guilt! They want her close because they know what they did!!!
Lol
Olivia Ivy that part!
So basically Swizz Beatz got no backlash and criticism from essentially cheating with TWO OTHER WOMEN but it was Mashonda and Alicia Keys who had to take the fault and criticism and make things work. That is some true bullshit right there. Yes it is great that Mashonda and Alicia got over this but Swizz Beatz ass should have been dealt with properly in this. But like many others I believe this is a "sister's wives" relationship or some threesome menage a trois bullshit they be doing. Bout "blended family"
medboy78 his producer career went down the drain. He had to file for bankruptcy but she is the bigger star and she also promoted female empowerment. So she received the most backlash because of it.
Pimpin at it's finest
it is going to be the women that gets the blame
medboy78...glad sumbody said it
Lol
I'll never be friend with the woman who takes my husband, never!
@ : Karma is a bitch!
I concur!!! Guess that's the Caribbean in us😂😂😂This is in plain creole, TIN-TIN💩
I would have rather read a book by Mashonda spilling THE TEA 🤣 aint nobody wanna read about some weird blended shenanigans 😒
ladysaane 😂right
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LMAOOOOOO 😂😂😂😂
😂😂 savage comment!!!!!
You aint right 😂
I just wish the best for Mashonda. Such a beautiful soul.
This is why, unless both married partners want to seperate, you don't date while seperated. You date once the divorce is final. Even if Swiss was seperated while he was messing with Alicia, we will never know because the timeline is blurry af.
*DATE ONCE THE DIVORCE IS FINALISED ✔*
@MK912 good point. I wouldn't too.
@MK912 and that's why I would not do it. It's too messy. Bring in stress unwanted stress in my life. Which could easily be avoided. And the whole point the relationship is don't start looking for a new relationship until that divorce is finalised. U can never commit to the new relationship with all that drama and mess. I rather be done with all that and then move on.
@MK912 yep. I not gonna die if don't date that one guy whose wife won't divorce him. I can find me a another single guy who doesn't have baggage that bad. This whole separated shit is turn off for me anyway. I wanna date a guy who is done with his ex. Then I can think about it. Life is stressful enough I will avoid whatever I can.
One thing the mistress always conveniently forget is that she is dealing with a lying unfaithful man, meaning that Swizz most likely lied to Alicia about being separated from MaShonda. The thing about married couples who are separated is that they tend to sleep with each other randomly for nostalgic reasons. In think Swizz had his cake & was eating too smh. That's always the problem with mistresses, they think that because they are "the secret" that it means there in on the secrets. Swizz was definitely lying to Alicia too but I think Alicia knew they were still together
Alicia Keys is lying. what was he doing on her tour behind his wife's back?! 🤦🏾♀️
Swizz Beatz gets to walk around Scott free after all of the drama he caused. He was the maker of this mess.
I just don't get it!! He has the best of both worlds. Wife, ex wife, they're friends........ Dayum!!
Huh! Dude is paying child support. What the f do u want?
Well Alicia is a grown woman. She couldve easily walked away. How many single available men wouldve wantes her??
@@signorpops8520 I'm like walk away scott free??? Is he supposed to get locked up for cheating??
What goes around comes around, no matter how it looks.
Alicia could have had any single man she wanted but she went for a married man. This is why I stopped listening to her.
Jaqen H'gar exactly 👏👏👏
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Tbh
That’s exactly how I feel! She could have had anyone but she went for someone else’s man
I get she was wrong but isn't Swizz beats to blame as well? He's the husband, he's the one that made a promise to the first woman and then moved on and made the same to a second. He wrecked the home too
Both Swiss and Alicia were/are clearly wrong. But Alicia is the outsider to the original, covenant marriage. Not only a dishonest, adulterous fornicator, just as Swiss is, but Alicia is the tresspasser and the concubine in God's eyes. I pray that she receives a revelation and repents before she reaps what she has sown.
She a good woman, because there No Way I'm being friend with my whoring ass husband mistress! In fact it's war of the roses on both of them! To me she looks stupid smiling with the woman that ended her marriage, but that what society tries tell us women that's what we should do be OK with your husband or boyfriend betraying you, yet men don't have to be held to that same standard? 🤔 But hey if she loves it then I'm happy for her, but it could've been me.
Alicia said she never got with him until they separated. Why is it that most believed Mashonda? That's because ppl dwell on the negative and scandals. Swizz got the girl in London pregnant. Clearly he was cheating on her with a bunch of women. He didn't want mashonda anymore. But we blame it on Alicia? Stop
she said the drama was taking a toll on her son.
that's what made/helped her get out of her feelings. it's called being a decent mother. war against the father of your kid and the mother of your kid sibling is dumb;
@@patricktruerd2644 Even if they were separated, they were still married. Alicia and Swiss were/are adulterers. There is no way that that is right in God's eyes. They will surely reap what they have sown.
Chile Alicia hasn't been right since
Facts 💯😂
RIGHT!!!🤣🤣🤣
Thats what happens when U go into people marriage
🗣️ KARMA IS A BITCH 🤣
Serves her right! No passes!!
She took mashondas man so god took her voice like the Little mermaid 😂
LMAOOO
lmfaooooooo
Gurllll you crazy! 😂😂😂😂
Omg gurrrrl Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Her career was never the same after that affair came out. She straight up offended and alienated her whole entire fan base, black women. Alicia got cancelled FAST
S La Well said!
Unfortunately that really wasn't the case... look how many ppl in these comments are still talking shit about his exwife! This was the first situation where the jumpoff was put on the pedestal as the main chic and the WIFE was constantly told to "MOVE ON... GET OVER IT... ETC." That killed me!
Very true
Its called Dickmatized!
S La Because we thought she would be different. All that positive music she was putting out and come to find out she was putting out to a married man smh.
If Alicia thinks that Swizz isn’t going to eventually do the same thing to her that he did to his 1st wife then I see a huge wake up call in her future.
shadesofpink He already did.
Alicia will most likely do it to him.
And the pay back is, alicia is haunted by that thought every day!
So all of you can predict the future teller?? Nice, wasn’t aware of that. Or is it just wishful thinking?
Amen sister. Swizz is a cheater
BULLSHIT!!!! There is no way I am embracing a woman who stole my husband. And I don't want to hear anybody say but you can't steal a person if they don't allow it to happen. A lot of couples go through things in their marriage where they might break up many times or get to that point that they might want a divorce. But you have to let those couples work things out and that can't happen if another woman won't leave the man alone. I haven't followed Alicia Keys in any way or listen to her music since she stole that woman's husband. There's no way I'm ever embracing a woman who stole my husband. And I don't care how many kids I have. They'll be all right.
Ms. Utopia exactly
Yep that is sooo true!!! Me personally, i wouldn't mess with a dude who is married or taken. But one time i did kinda date/talk to this guy, who lied and said he was separated, then said he was already divorced. The wife came to me and said they were in fact not divorced. I apologized and backed off right away and blocked that fool from my life completely right away. No questions asked. A few days later his wife told me he was already in another relationship. What a dirtbag! I didnt care though. Honestly he wanted me to be his girlfriend but i wanted to take my time since he had just been supposedly "separated" and then "divorced". I'm glad i kept my wall up and didnt catch feelings yet! I had a feeling something was off. His now ex wife and me are friends. I never saw or heard from him again but im glad i gained a great friend out of that situation. But i will never understand a woman who doesn't respect boundaries. I personally felt so bad for this woman i immediately broke ties with the dude i thought about what if that was me? But some females don't have respect
No one can STEAL your husband. No other woman should be with a married man, but if your “husband” is pursuing something with someone else he hasn’t been stolen you’ve LOST him!
My ex’s baby mother tried to pull this with me, after he told me he only like white women! She talked to me like hey our kids are siblings and I’m so happy you finally know about me. I’m like did you know he was married and she was yup sure did, I use to be sitting there when he was on the phone video chatting with your kids and I felt bad so I would move over because you and them didn’t know what he was doing smmfh. She continued to tell me stuff he had done and she didn’t feel bad neither did he! She talked about it like it was sooo ok that fcked with me head like damn you have no morals and have nerves to want to befriend me especially after the lack of love he showed my kids I mean he won’t even talk to my kids but he gives and does for her kid.....he since then has cheated and left her for someone else! Even after all he did she still never saw anything wrong with his actions as a matter of fact she befriend 2 of the women he’s cheated with and I’m like I’m not finna be in the “cheat with a side chick” hoe ass fan club, all wanting to still be with him, yes she told me the other women wish they had his baby they told her and that they wish he’d take them back. Kids don’t make anyone take you back with it is psychological. Jesus take the wheel these hoe ass men and women of all ages, races, and backgrounds 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Ms. Fee Fee wooooooow that I just 2 messy
I lost respect for Alicia when I’d found out that the rumors were true. People need to stop thinking that you don’t choose who you love. Love is a verb! You don’t choose who you have feelings for but you definitely choose who you pursue and who you let into your life! She knew that man had a wife and should have said no! She’s wrong for that. Period.
Agree. I have feelings for a married man. And the moment i knew that information i bloqued him everywhere and im trying to forget him.
gm gm That is what you do! As a responsible adult it’s not about you. That is what Alicia did wrong, she put her feelings first and not the child or having respect for the marriage. You are strong and I hope you will find love that you deserve ❤️❤️❤️
I’m not a colourful girl I love darkness Thank you
@@Pineapple3009 When I said ''It's not about you'' I did not mean you you, more us as adults.
Always the FUCKING same. That man was fucking married and cheated twice. BLAME THE MAN.
I have always been Alicia's fan but let me just say, you can't build your happiness from someone else's tears..having Mashonda around all the time is karma in itself.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. That's what I always say how can someone build there happiness with someones sadness seeing people mad or sad actually makes people smile and it makes there day.
Yesss! This IS their karma!!! What woman wants his ex around ALLLLL THE ENTIRE TIME??? Mashonda must have a degree in business management or something! She really kind of ended up back on top in a way! She is their karma!
“What goes around comes around ! What goes up must come down”-Alicia keys 😂
Yup KARMA for both of them AND she is making money off THEM. I love my Capricorns, when we strike back, we climb to the top. Thats what she did!
I hope Alicia keys is this understanding when she has to co parent with his new wife.
Cooold
@@BlaydeAlabama 😂😂😂😂
Daaaaaamn 😂💀💀💀
Exactly!!!
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That's some BULL. I saw a pic of them vacationing together and M looked uncomfortable AF. It was sad. She just tryna sell that book and look like she ain't still hurting.
Winnie Rocks! At least her kid ain’t hurting no more
Sis please she’s grown she can say no , I think there all having a threesome relationship it’s just too close for me.
Maybe she has moved on. Y'all always reading into s***. I swear black women don't know how to forgive their own. If she moved on she moved on. Y'all need to stop putting words in her mouth. She looks happy.
I DON'T think she's hurting ANYMORE. She empowered herself so they couldn't continue to hurt her. She's doing the right thing for her son...THAT'S love. People forget that forgiveness isn't about giving those that betrayed or wronged you a pass. Forgiveness is for YOU!! Maybe you guys can't move forward but everyone's different.
S p You’re right, celebrities swing all the time & honestly the children aren’t even safe from their sexual adventures. It’s why must of them aren’t religious
Even if it's "beautiful" now: it's a fact that Mashonda lost her partner and has to raise her son alone. Not cool!
She didn't lost him,he decided to leave cause he never love her or anyone, otherwise he would have respect his family and not cheat.
Gina Pott right, they was already getting a divorce before this whole thing with alicia, so nothing was really wrecked
Her career died bc shes a hypocrite. You cant sing abt women empowerment and the struggles of women, and then be the side piece! its not genuine. Like that bare face thing she tried to do. I understand she use to have acne but you can't advocate for having confidence being bare face after your skin is clear. its just not realistic.
That part
Cuz Alicia Keys face used to be gross
First shut up please, people act like it’s her fault no it’s not. Get mad at the man in the relationship with you. Alicia doesn’t have loyalty to you. You get in the interview and say I didn’t know it was serious but you knew. He didn’t just cheat with her so how can you hold her accountable. They take trips together, work together, and eat together. You don’t know what was going on or what was said in their relationship. Honestly Alicia hasn’t changed this is women empowerment cause women make mistakes as well as men. For them to continue a positive relationship for the kids that’s empowerment. Simple minded individuals will always have something to say.
Yes. I love AK but the whole natural thing is BS! She had a nose job. If I got my face plastic perfect I wouldn't have to wear makeup either! So men can't judge us based on AK's 'natural' agenda!
@@MsAceofdiamond she has songs like "a woman's worth " talking about the importance of how u should treat ur woman with respect and love and she helped a man blatantly hurt and disrespect his wife. Therefore she's a hypocrite. It'd be like r Kelly writing songs about protecting children's innocence when he's been sleeping with underage girls since the 90s. Her whole career was built of songs like that so it just makes all her songs seem fake now. Of she was someone like Nicki Minaj who's always rapping about sex and that kind of stuff if still listen to her music coz id be like "at least she kept it real".
She still looks hurt though. I wish her well and great love with a good man.
I wish Mashoda stop looking like the third to those foolish people. Okay your in good terms with them, now collect your money and keep it moving. Alicia fake as hell
sigerG82 nwtbs my thoughts
M & S can't look one another in the eye, she's smiling and glowing and he is tense. Does he even look at A?
A. playing that old let's put the past in the past and be bbf.
M has not forgotten and will or is using S to get back at A. I bet S calls ex all the time...to talk about son.
What Alicia did was very ugly. I hope she does not taste the same poison ever.
I can’t deal with Alicia Keys. I just can’t see her the same way.
She is disgusting
Listenning
To her singing woman s Worth.....hard
Why does it feel like black women alwayss have to show maturity and grace in these situations otherwise they're seen as angry and bitter? That's the most plausible reaction for anybody to have but black women are always in the worst end of the stick. Never in my life will I put up with that kind of disrespect
All women are seen as angry and bitter if they react as such.
dokess Ezeaka lets not exclude the fact Alicia is non black but mixed.
Eloah Love Alicia’s father is black. So therefore she is black. Just because someone is mixed does not cancel out their black roots.
dokess Ezeaka Right
@@goddessbrya888 thank u! Y is the world trying to push that narrative. It diluted but every black in America is too. I mean geez.🙄
I hate this... I hate it all. I hurt for her and I’m embarrassed for her. Mashinda out here allowing Alicia to use her to pacify her guilt.
Yup..Mashonda has so much hurt and pain in her eyes...
You're right..Do you think Alicia's self serving & manipulative for the sake of saving her career? I do think they should be cordial for the kids but this seems kinda low key sick forreal..lol
Kimberly Bernard y’all are so bitter! Can’t mature for even the sake of your children! That’s why they’re suffering the way they do these days
Kimberly Bernard Oh yeah Alicia feels guilty she knows what she did. Now she stuck with him
I have to respect the ex-wife for HER maturity, though. -Can't get behind Alicia, however. I unfortunately consider her a huge fraud.
I fell out of love with Alicia Keys when I heard all of this. It's great that she's found a way to co-parent for the sake of her child. However, I don't have any kids in this relationship so I washed my hands with her because she doesn't match my ethics. I'm glad Mashonda is at peace with it to move on and heal.
She is Mashonda that is. And yes, her actions don't reflect my standards. So I'm the kind of person who let people go.
I just thought of all the hypocrisy i didnt like the situation and her music has not been the same since
Remember to not get too attached to these people. They are humans like us and do terrible things.
I feel the same about her now
@@kianbennett9620 I'm not attached, I just said I don't support those who don't reflect my ethics. It's that simple.
Interestingly Alicia really hasn't had a hit since all this came out and Swizz Beats had his moment as super producer du jour a decade ago. Playas got played I say.
She got 2 hits out,,, and a best seller book this Month.
@@nflux2971 she isnt has number one hits since 2009...😪
@@miguelangelromerocaceres9536 eh girl on fire single sold 5 million , that came out in 2012. Also she had two gold hit singles in 2020
OK I gotta say it.. Mashonda look good af!
I was saying the same thing she look better than his wife
Facts mashonda is gorgeous
Mashonda has always been beautiful.
Mashonda been badddd🔥🔥🔥🔥
That’s what happens when you genuinely move forward and ameliorate a toxic situation! I hope she finds happiness and love!
Poor Mashonda. She’s being forced to do this blended family thing. I’m sure there’s good money involved when you behave and play along. It’s all good when you’re the one with the man.
She's not being forced. She been pressed from the beginning! Wanting Alica to communicate with her about the affair and such look it up it still online. She been infatuated with Alicia!
Coco Brown that’s her gf
Mashonda makes her own money.
Yeaaa to get that career back going. i guess her audience is polygamist cause they the only ones going for it
Yes this is all for entertainment purpose..Dumb shit.Why co sign this messyness now.
lol “I won’t tell your secrets” 😂 I’m gone 💀
Love your channel!❤
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Hey hey 👋🏾
thank you 😊
Lmaoo I was holleringggggggggg 😂
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What goes around will definitely come around! GTFOH Home wrecker......not a fan of Alicia anymore!
Nunya Bizwack. Bye! You won't be missed! 😘
So what will swizz get? Who says it happen the way she says? She admited half the stuff she says was out of anger
What she puts in the universe she will get it back
@@moneejimmerson536
Not really, that woman should have left that relationship the moment when that man had children for another woman. He basically cheated on her before he met Alicia.
Stop defending jerks,he is to blame just like Alicia,this is why man do this , because of people like you, defending stupid action,like they are some saint, don't forget,it take two to tango.
If Mashonda can forgive Alicia Keys, then Alicia Keys can forgive lil mama.
Wait, what did Lil Mama do?
jumped on stage during her and jay z performance
Ah that. Oh Lil Mama, lol. Thanks!
Aha! I was searching for this comment! And the holier than thou victim mentality Alicia had after the incident which frankly wasnt that big of a deal. 🙄 Yeah okay.
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Why did they leave the third woman and her child out of all that warm fuzzy love and togetherness?🤔 Seems to me they still have work to do.
Terri Boyd Or the 4th woman Swizz has a child with
Miss J. Oh lawd Miss J! I didn't know there was a 4th woman.😲
Terri Boyd I guess cause she wasn’t a celeb and help promote the book lol
Terri Boyd ok! Let’s bring her in! Because it sounds like the problem is with Swiss beats. He’s the one hoeing. Why didn’t she Call her a homewrecker
Terri Boyd he does see his daughter and she has a relationship with them but her and her mother lives overseas.
Im glad Mashonda is over it. I'll hold the grudge for her. #NoLoveForHomeWreckers
Im here for u sis😂
Alicia should be capped for causing so much bs
Me too, I refuse to support her in any way.
N. B. Bovell Lol
Lol
No man would go on vacation and be homeboys with his ex-wife's new husband that stole his wife. Foh
Lol
Maybe it’s just me but I can see the hurt in mashonda’s eyes and even in her voice no matter how much she tries to cover it up. She was forced to be the bigger woman for the sake of her son. I pray for her happiness within and relationship.
I see it too..she deserves a lot of credit for rising above the situation for the sake of her son's well being..I admire her for that.
I think low key she will always be hurt by this.
They are helping Mashonda with this book to save themselves. They know they did her wrong and know she holds a great deal of secrets and rage - rightfully so. Helping her with this is a way for them to purify their consciousness and feel better about themselves.
I was thinking the same thing. Seems a little fake but with good intentions.
True guilt she is an intelligent lady
Well said
This is exactly what I think. They'll cater to her to keep those even dirtier secrets locked up.
Exactlyyyyyyy.
No ma'am i wouldn't take part in none of that bs. Drop my son off & keep it moving. I applaud Mashonda for taking the high road. But she took the high road and walked up the mountain top. Lol
Mz Shawn J Agreed
...still a homewrecker...🤷🏽♀️
Exactly. It's all Sniggles & giggles until it's time to pay the piper.
wow, mashonda is quite forgiving, swizz cheated on her with TWO women ...that we know of..so he was cheating on alicia too
hes a straight up selfish dog... Mashonda is a saint. God bless her for putting the children first...i wouldnt be able to even look at Swizz
There is nothing uglier than a woman taking Another woman's husband. Sis this is not a accomplishment. That is big failure. Also what disgusts me more is how a man have the gut to be with another woman when you have your own woman. Why always run to people who are already taken? Are you that desperate that you would go and stoop so low by being with a married man? I am truly disgusted 😷
Bahaar Saleh, Someone should call child services on them.
When a man wants to leave, he will.
@@dianavivaldi4503 True but just because he wants doesnt give him the right to cheat on his woman. He can separate from her but to cheat on and put salt on wounds is truly wicked and selfish.
Alicia is a fake!!! She out rightly walked in and cheated with another woman’s husband. I lost ALL respect for her.
Peace Love n Happiness! God’s Plan PREEEEEACH
Shayla Lewis exactly.swiss beatz played no role in this situation whatsoever.he was just an innocent bystander who was forced to whip his dick out against his will
@@thelatentsexualfreak 👏👏👏👏👏👏 because she obviously put a gun to his head and made him fuck her. Oh and she also made his fuck the other woman too!!!!!
All the while pretending to be her friend attending family parties and baby showers
itc carroll who cares??Swiss was the one who made vows and promises,not alicia.obviously Swiss wasn't happy with mashonda anyway if he was sleeping with other women.the relationship was bound to fail regardless
Love how how everyone says 'think about the children' in the aftermath, but they cheating asses wasn't thinking about them DURING.