im sorry to burst your bubble artbydrock ... the question is ,is it worth it ? so is it worth melting all those cans ? i dont know how much time you put into this but 4 kilo's aluminium go for 3€ ...... so was it really worth it ? i would say no not even close of course you do this for fun but is 3€ really worth this much time for you ? go buy some more solid aluminium pieces melt those down and then make your aluminium art ... also you probably wasted much more then 3€ in gass ...
Total it prob cost me $200. I made almost everything so that saved me money for sure. But you’ll need a foundry and burner, propane, a crucible, lifters, Tongs, molds etc so it can get pretty pricey. However it’s a lot of fun especially when I turn the metal into art 👍🏻
Not gonna lie, I was expecting an actual cost-breakdown from this, compared to ingot prices. You've got your time, about..what, eight gallons of propane, materials, in the case of smelting, just about everything is a rapid wear part...I note you need a new crucible, for example. How much money do you have into this project? The "Beer" is a side consideration. Meanwhile, you can get ingots for $3-4 a pound of ebay plus shipping. So, serious question, "Is it worth it" wasn't answered here, in a real sense. You enjoyed it and you got a viable material you can use for other projects, that's AWESOME. "Just doing it because I enjoy it" is a viable reason to have and run a setup like this. "Is it worth it" is a value estimation. "Could I get the same material for less money if I sourced elsewhere" and the answer seems to be "almost defiantly". However, you could improve performance a bit...if you used a press or a shredder to reduce the aluminum can volume, you could fit more material and have more efficient fuel usage. Those hand-crushed cans cost you a lot of time and fuel.
I don't know how RUclips monetization works but this video has over 100,000 views how much is that worth in money from RUclips sponsors. That could change the whole is it worth it arguement
@@ronsoccercoach Not really, it just changes the question from is it worth melting aluminium cans. To is it worth filming me melting aluminium cans for views. Or in this case, is it worth filming me melt aluminium cans for views in a clickbait title video.
@@vavielstarchaser241 good for him. When looking at this as an outside observer, I feel like "is it worth it" isnt answered. At all. In any real sense that matters.
I'll 2nd that c'c'... Dracker's post was the most satisfying thing about this video... and I 2xspeed skip-watched it.... yeah, it would have seemed more efficient to mechanically crush/shred the cans and turn them directly into "something awesome"... but, maybe the artist knows best?
Damn that would’ve taken all bloody night 🙄. If you ever do this again and you probably won’t leave a tiny bit of molten aluminium in the crucible and don’t empty it completely 👍🏻that’ll save a heap of time when adding the next lot of cans🤘🏻. Mmmm lots of ingots 🤤
Or use two crucibles so one could be getting hot whilst he's pouring. It also reduces the heat stress since the other one can cool off a little bit before it goes back in the foundry.
I'm a huge fan of perpetual systems. They're so efficient. I use one with my wood burning. I have two burners because they start getting too hot to handle after a while. So I turn the second one on and let it heat up once the first one starts getting hot.
@@gageosteen614 fiy a forger is someone who works metal (mainly steel) during its plastic state of heat. They don’t just make knives, look at black bear forge on RUclips, he made plenty of things that aren’t knives and swords.
Plus i more. Loved watching this, was looking at buying a small forge tonight. I was a canmaker for 30 yrs and hate cans,,,,empty ones! I use em to make shingles for shed roofs,,,free roofing apart from a few tacks. Will cut up ally cycle frames produce a decent cast alloy to turn down on a lathe? I mean with paint on it? Art from cans, love it.
hi....I have a ton of aluminium cat food cans...they have a plastic coating on the inside. will these work for ingots or will the plastic make a mess of things?
what something is worth is what you trade it for. Its value is what others credit you with. You shared a personal passion for free and those who enjoyed it will give back positively. Those trying to add up your total cost are missing the point. we are all volunteers of our time and the rewards are self-evident in nature's equity program. I see your individual reward is not the worth of your stockpile of raw metal but its leveraged value to anyone needing it. If I needed a block of processed aluminum I would gather 150% of the processed weight I needed and offer a trade of my raw for your processed material. Equity without fiat currency.
Nice video mate : ) I tend to find you get about 50 / 50 with cans… 50% metal and 50% dross. BUT if you have access to plenty of cans and IF you enjoy casting, then it’s always worth doing. That’s the fun of it!
Take a muffin or two that you already made and melt it in your crucible first then dunk the cans into the molten aluminum - melts them faster and significantly reduces dross. Or you can save the dross and then add a few heaping tablespoons of salt to it and melt the aluminum out of it. The companies can make 32 cans from one pound of aluminum - I found following my first suggestion gives me a return of about 40 cans making a pound of recycled aluminum and that's very good from what I've read.
Sean foltz If u start it off with some molten aluminium and submerge the cans straight into the liquid metal to melt, you will get much much less dross than that. The reason cans yield so much dross is mostly cos its really thin and it oxidizes due to exposure to the atmosphere.
@@CraigLYoung , I made leveling feet for my foundry by machining four of my ingots on a lathe. I'd love to say that I came up with that idea, but my design is based on TAOW's who also did the same (ie. machine feet out of cast ingots), although his feet were melted from an old ladder. Mine were from melted cans. It machines very easily. It's quite soft. I've considered buying some silicon and trying to covert the melted cans into something closer to 6061 aluminium, although I'm still new at this and have many other things to figure out before I try my hand at alloying.
Like a couple of other folks I was hoping to see a cost break down!!! BUT since you didn't provide one, let me just say that I have been kicking the idea around of building my own forge, and NOT for the reasons of just melting aluminum into ingots!! In fact I have been researching on how to make actual parts I want and need!! And even though I don't own a machine shop at all....the costs to buy the parts I want to make I can still machine most of my own things at home as long as the parts are "simple" to make for myself!! And in my life nothing is ever "simple" or even remotely "easy" so I have to build a lot of my own things just to own the things I want to start with!!! In this "modern day" not everybody has money growing on trees and frankly I am so fed up working to get no where, in the end that other then tired, flat broke, I have NO REWARD for the work I have done or I am actually doing!! In one case a guy just told me "I can guarantee you $50K a year and I told him "You are full of shit!" because I know it was just a hook to get me to go back to work for some dead end job that will just exploit my talents and pay me WAY BELOW what I am actually worth to DO the work I am physically doing in the first place!! I know this because it has happened to me time and time again in my life, where I found myself doing the work of 9 people and only getting paid like I am a "new employee at part time job like Burger King"!! I am too old, too tired and too fed up with being paid shit wages for the work I am ACTUALLY DOING to begin with!! And I highly doubt some company is going to start paying me a "new hire" $25 an hour for skills they will just exploit from me anyhow for $7 an hour!!
I hear ya on that. People never get paid what they are worth through companies. As far as my video is concerned I never mentioned anything about money and people are taking it the wrong way. I melt for my own personal art that I do and sell my pieces. If I was doing it to try and make money from ingots then it wouldn’t be worth my time at all.
When removing your muffins its easier to just get a five gallon Home Depot or Lowe's bucket, fill it 75% with water and knock the muffins out into it. They cool instantly, no need to fuss with picking them up to drop into something and you can just leave them there till your finished then simply dump the water out when you're done, thus having them all together in one container at the end too.
Here is a question, is it better to use propane as your heat source on a clay graphite crucible to melt aluminum cans or could I use say charcoal and a blow dryer. Looking for some advice. Thanks
@@ArtByAdrock I was wondering why there is so much slag? I know the cans are painted, but that shouldn't amount to much. Are they using crappy aluminium in the cans?
Yeah I’m pretty sure they coat the cans in other things as well. The tops I always save separately cause they’re pure so I’ll be doing a video on that sometime soon I hope.
Hit an auto mechanic or somewhere that specializes in tires and try to score some aluminum rims - typical car aluminum rim weighs around 19 pounds and has a scrap value of $7 - you can usually score them for $5 each or less, sometimes free if you tell them why you want them. You can cut them into manageable pieces with a reciprocating saw and they generate very little dross. But they're not free you say? It took him four hours to make ten pounds of free aluminum - I can cut up and melt down a 19 pound rim in about half that time so factoring in what I make at my day job my time is worth far more than the $5 or less I paid for the rim. Make sure to either have photos of what you make on your phone or if its small stuff, bring a few pieces with you. I made paper weights using the Han Solo in carbonite my old Slave One toy and carry a couple of them when scrounging rims - I'll show it to the guy at the garage and they'll often times trade me rims for them - four ounces of aluminum for 19 pounds.
The aluminium used for drink cans is different to that used for aluminium castings like engine parts, they're different alloys. One is optimised for extruding out thin shapes, the other for making tough thick pieces. I would love if you did a video comparing a simple rod of aluminium made from cans to a rod from aluminium castings, and see which one breaks easiest.
While I do like the meltings, my value of worth would be if the price places would pay for the almost 10 pounds of pure aluminum outweighs the 10 cent refunds on most of those cans. I was kind of hoping for something along that line of info. But I suppose it does save on materials for future projects.
@@ArtByAdrock that's awesome well I am going to subscribe to ur channel NOW its awesome watching what u do and the ingot u made for Grant Thomson was vary awesome of you thank you
@@ArtByAdrock can't wait to see other awesome videos and I will be suggesting ur channel to a few good friends who likes this kind of stuff and thank u for ur time to reply to me
Looks like you could cut way back on your fuel consumption. Once you get up to melting temperature you just have to maintain. I built mine with two burners. Once I'm up to temp I shut one off and cut the psi by about 25 percent. 30 pound propane tank has lasted me about three hours so far and still not empty
I'm new to this, I was wondering if melting down the cans raises or changes the grade of metal in any way. Also is there a profit to be made from doing this if so?
I use boid'arc and a hair dryer and fly through the cans. Wasting time is watching tv and looking at Facebook. Don't know his art but it's something to say; made this out of pop cans when the piece is in the gallery.$ you go dude. Boid'arc
what is in the center of that propane tank? How do I make a set up like that to melt aluminum and where do I get the stuff I need to make the set up? Thanks
Basically it would double or more the price i could get for scrap price even if i just sold it to the scrap yard. Cans are 39 cents a pound, pure blocks of aluminum are 89cents a pound, one could sell on ebay or amazon for 2 to 3 dollars a pound. I flatten mine more than he does. Could put at least 2 times what he gets in the crucible. One question, is that a home made kit?
So from authors explanations and actually seeing what he uses. Reg used stuff is between 50-100 bucks American. And that even counts the muffin pans. Most can be picked up at rummage sell. They are already drink x amount of cans of whatever. That doesn’t even matter or count unless they pay more for trash service if they have too much. He said that propane usage for this video was about 5-10 bucks which is about 1/2 tank when he made it. End of the day, average everything out, maybe 12 bucks spent on this video, besides taping it. Shut up people. Do what you love to do. Love the content. Love what your doing for many passions. Love that you can teach everyone at the same time.
Financial turnover vs spending on this is required to be calculated.What do you think, the spending of Gas, cost of used cans and final producf whats the savings , one can make?
Like the use of cookie sheets 👍Does it off gas when melted? Also... trying to recycle foil, can i boil of the food stuck to it first,and then melt it down?
Enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing. Molten aluminum is fairly reactive, like molten lead, so there's always going to be more dross than you want (it quickly combines with oxygen). I read all 109 comments and your responses to them, as I was "watching" your video and they addressed all but one of my thoughts. Some of your viewers may try doing this in a closed garage or shed. Aluminum vapors usually take years to accumulate and cause problems, so maybe stress the importance of ventilation or an exhaust fan. Thanks for the video.
Aluminium vapours are the last of your worries. I'd never do this in an enclosed space. In a propane or charcoal foundry, maybe this would be less obvious as the fire from the foundry itself may obscure what's going on with the melting cans, but I use an electric foundry, so any smoke and flame that I see is obviously coming from the crap on the cans. You have at least three sources of various fumes from the cans. One is the dried up dregs of whatever was in the can. This is unlikely to be too concerning. You also have the paint from the outside of the can. It's not easy to know exactly what this is or what fumes could be coming from that as it breaks down and burns. There's also the thin plastic coating inside the can that prevents the drink from directly contacting the aluminium metal inside the can. Again, not sure exactly what fumes this might produce, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some aromatic organic compounds in there. Whatever the source, melting cans does produce some unpleasant fumes and smoke from time to time that I wouldn't want accumulating in any room I planned to be in. If I'm melting under cover, I always have the garage door and at least one other door or large window open, although I prefer to do it outside if weather allows.
@@brettski74 You forgot another hazard, probably the most deadly.... Burning all that propane produces a lot of carbon monoxide. If that is allowed to build up, you will just fall asleep and die. Keep ventilated.
the way I see it, if you cast it into blocks and cylinders that you can lathe or mill, 10 pounds of material bought through ebay or amazon would likely cost you 40-50 dollars, a forced air system would increase fuel efficiency and thus you are likely to reduce costs further to a point that one tank of propane or less will be all you need for this melt load. Depending on prices in your area your propane refill is likely costing you around 20 dollars. so it's comparable to market value for a block of aluminum, if you have to melt it twice, but doing it all at once you can actually come out ahead in costs. If you start sourcing scrap aluminum from broken ladder, engine and wheels, storm doors etc, you will likely get more material to work with and it won't be quite so much 'one can at a time' long nights of melting. so it depends on the application and efficiency of processing, but you are likely to be on either side of breaking even by a little bit.
Since the cans are effectively free (refuse otherwise if not recycled), and you got 9.44 pounds out of it, assuming 1 tank of propane was fully exhausted (at a nominal value of $20), you've come out at $2.12 per pound for your ingots. That certainly beats the price you can find them for on ebay, and even if you doubled the price per ingot that you yourself invested, you'd still have to buy quantities well in excess of what you've poured here to negate the cost of shipping.
From my research, borax is great flux for brass, iron and steel but entirely wrong for aluminium. I think the borate will react with the aluminium, but I've not found any good information on what problems borax might cause other than a number of places online that have said don't use borax with aluminium. Everything I've found suggests chloride salts as the right flux for melting and casting aluminium. Potassium chloride is readily available as various salt substitutes in the supermarket. Sodium, calcium and magnesium chlorides are readily available in bulk for relatively cheap prices as ice melters. I've been using a mixture of calcium and potassium chloride and it's worked wonders for separating the metal from the dross. I generally melt the stuff together into tablets and then put those into the melt later on, but other people on youtube I've seen simply sprinkle a few spoonfuls of morton's lite salt into their crucible and get somewhat similar results with regard to separating the dross. You do need to stir a bit, but after adding the flux, it floats much ore readily to the top and separates from the metal.
Thank you! It’s nice to here someone not talk about the damn price haha. I usually use borax as my flux as it seems to work just fine! 👍🏻 thank you for the comment and kind words 🍺🍺
Many side hustles and the like aren't worth it due to the time wasted. Figure the value of your time has to be near what you make at your job. But, if it's something that you enjoy and it's fun anyways and you can make a couple bucks then why not?
How much money in cans did you melt down to get 9.44lbs. Or is it better to just turn them in for 5cents apiece. I always wondered if you would get more money per pound if you brought the melted or crushed cans to the scrap yard
where does the slat come from? I know it is impurities in the aluminum but does it settle at the bottom of the crucible? Also, if you crush the cans flatter ( day with a sledgehammer) couldn't you fit more at a time in the crucible? Does that slow down the smelting process if you do?
The slag generally will float on top.crushing them more only fits more in initially. Having so many to melt really wouldn’t help me that much more. If I had a shredder that might make it a little better to fit in more but they melt so quickly as it put them in that it doesn’t really bother me. Hope that helps
@@ArtByAdrock it does... Does the slat just pour off easily or does the aluminum tend to follow it? I would love for you to melt it and use it to pour into a fire ant mound. I've seen that done before, and the sculpture that comes out is beautiful... Living in Texas, and having been bitten by fire ants a lot, I would feel absolutely no pity for them. LMAO
Haha I bet. Damn those ants 🐜. I simply scrape off the slag with a spoon. I’ve remelted the slag too and I’ll get a little extra but it’s really not that worth it
Here in Vegas we never have any moisture so I don’t worry about that. Except for the occasional oops I did in a video a few weeks ago when it rained and I exploded brass everywhere 🤷🏻♂️
Quick question the crucible I see that is cracked is it dangerous to use it like that or is it fine for someone who is very experienced in this like yourself?
It is dangerous to use for sure. It could fall apart while picking it up spilling metal everywhere. I wasn’t too worried about it but you always wanna use safety gear just in case.
What does everyone do with these aluminum ingots? I was thinking about doing this but don’t know what I’d use the ingots for. I’d like to make fishing weights or slingshot ammo but aluminum is too light.
Loved the vid. Ive been stocking up with cans but need to make my own furness do you have a vid how you made yours. I've old bottles and am thinking to just play and see but yours looks great 👍. Any help much appreciate.
Thanks. I don’t have a video but it’s super easy to make. Just cut the top off of an old propane tank, cut a hole on the top of the lid and on the bottom of the tank and line it with kaowool. It’s very simple. 👍🏻
Was it worth it ?? Yes I get to re-melt it back down next week lol ok I was waiting for price not for you to say you going to re-melt it lol thanks for the 10:17 I ain't getting back good job any way
Haha I meant was it worth it to me.. sorry bro. But yes it is because I won’t have to deal with the slag for future projects. Thanks for the comment and I owe you a casting of mine down the road 👍🏻
@@ArtByAdrock look that casting be nice but I wouldn't expect you to do that not would I ask you to the gesture was nice enough can't let you send me a casting because the price of postage for an ingot of alloy would cost you thousands of cans to send to Australia lol you just keep melting your cans and save up your pennies if you want to know where to get lots of aluminum I saw a guy in you tube that had been locked out of his house by his wife so he decided to melt down ALL of his house's aluminum door frames and window frames so if your looking for lots or alloy start their lol well done matey
When I started out, I wondered the same thing - particularly since I use a steel crucible and when heat it up to casting temperatures you end up with a coating of black iron oxide on the surface, but it's never been an issue. Even if you did get a thermite reaction from the little bit of rust in his trays, there's so little iron oxide there it would be over and your iron oxide exhausted before anything interesting could happen. The continued presence of iron oxide on the surface of my crucible after exposure to molten aluminium tells me that any reaction that's happening is minimal, if at all. I suspect you need to powder the iron oxide to get something more interesting to happen.
I wouldn't be too worried about the thermite reaction per se, but rusty moulds may harbour iron carbonates or hydroxides as well as moisture, any of which could pop in contact with the hot aluminum, splashing the molten metal about the room. This is the reason (or at least, one of them) for preheating the moulds: to drive off the moisture.
@@kevinmartin7760 I half just wanted to know if it was possible like a king of random or backyard scientist style experiment with iron filings being poured with molten aluminum to see if its possible to react
Around ten years ago I built a foundry furnace based on the babington burner. It ran on used fryer oil, which I got for free, rather than expensive propane. The furnace and crucible were one unit, and the flame was directed into it and made direct contact with the metal. I don't think it would be good for ferrous metals as it might add extra carbon. Anyway, it worked great for melting AL cans.
Ok worth it for future use on good stuff (maybe) cost wise I was curious about how many cans used x propane used x price of aluminum if resold type scenario lol. But hey cool vid subbed
I found out years ago that it takes 12 to 16 cans to make 1 pound of aluminum depending on size. So if your melting for money it will depend on what state you're in. If you plan to cast then its up to you to decide worth.
This aluminum was melted for future art projects I’m working on. Check out my latest ones to see why 👍🏻
im sorry to burst your bubble artbydrock ... the question is ,is it worth it ? so is it worth melting all those cans ?
i dont know how much time you put into this but 4 kilo's aluminium go for 3€ ...... so was it really worth it ?
i would say no
not even close
of course you do this for fun but is 3€ really worth this much time for you ?
go buy some more solid aluminium pieces melt those down and then make your aluminium art ...
also you probably wasted much more then 3€ in gass ...
Hey, if you don't mind, how much is all of this stuff, like the giant heat thing, the metal melting bowl etc?
Total it prob cost me $200. I made almost everything so that saved me money for sure. But you’ll need a foundry and burner, propane, a crucible, lifters, Tongs, molds etc so it can get pretty pricey. However it’s a lot of fun especially when I turn the metal into art 👍🏻
@@ArtByAdrock ok, thanks
I know you probably heard this but if you shred the cans they will melt faster and will have less slag
Not gonna lie, I was expecting an actual cost-breakdown from this, compared to ingot prices. You've got your time, about..what, eight gallons of propane, materials, in the case of smelting, just about everything is a rapid wear part...I note you need a new crucible, for example. How much money do you have into this project? The "Beer" is a side consideration.
Meanwhile, you can get ingots for $3-4 a pound of ebay plus shipping.
So, serious question, "Is it worth it" wasn't answered here, in a real sense. You enjoyed it and you got a viable material you can use for other projects, that's AWESOME. "Just doing it because I enjoy it" is a viable reason to have and run a setup like this.
"Is it worth it" is a value estimation. "Could I get the same material for less money if I sourced elsewhere" and the answer seems to be "almost defiantly".
However, you could improve performance a bit...if you used a press or a shredder to reduce the aluminum can volume, you could fit more material and have more efficient fuel usage. Those hand-crushed cans cost you a lot of time and fuel.
I don't know how RUclips monetization works but this video has over 100,000 views how much is that worth in money from RUclips sponsors. That could change the whole is it worth it arguement
@@ronsoccercoach Not really, it just changes the question from is it worth melting aluminium cans. To is it worth filming me melting aluminium cans for views. Or in this case, is it worth filming me melt aluminium cans for views in a clickbait title video.
@@vavielstarchaser241 good for him. When looking at this as an outside observer, I feel like "is it worth it" isnt answered. At all. In any real sense that matters.
It's presented as a informational video, and it's not, and that's disappointing as fucking hell.
Why don't you get that?
I'll 2nd that c'c'... Dracker's post was the most satisfying thing about this video... and I 2xspeed skip-watched it.... yeah, it would have seemed more efficient to mechanically crush/shred the cans and turn them directly into "something awesome"... but, maybe the artist knows best?
I wish more people on RUclips would be better at making the sound as high quality as this
Make aluminium Christmas decorations and sell for $1.50 each.
Thts a great idea 💡
I don't see why not
Damn that would’ve taken all bloody night 🙄. If you ever do this again and you probably won’t leave a tiny bit of molten aluminium in the crucible and don’t empty it completely 👍🏻that’ll save a heap of time when adding the next lot of cans🤘🏻. Mmmm lots of ingots 🤤
Yeah I was going to but got carried away with pouring cause it’s too much fun 😆🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 next time I will for sure
Hi guys🤗
Or use two crucibles so one could be getting hot whilst he's pouring. It also reduces the heat stress since the other one can cool off a little bit before it goes back in the foundry.
@@ThePrufessa like😃😎
I'm a huge fan of perpetual systems. They're so efficient. I use one with my wood burning. I have two burners because they start getting too hot to handle after a while. So I turn the second one on and let it heat up once the first one starts getting hot.
As a fellow artist I appreciate the process from collecting the cans to the finished piece. Art is a process not a product.
All a sudden I have the urge for Christmas cookies...
Haha yeah I does the same thing to me 🤣
At least this man is saving the earth good job bud
Justin Y wouldn't say something like this you... Imposter
I live in London and there’s countless of cans in the streets I am starting on becoming a forger as a hobby.
How is it coming along? Have you been able to turn it into a business?
Fyi a forger is somebodey who makes knifes
That’s not true. Forging is manipulating steel to make a different shape. It doesn’t have to be knives, it can be anything. 😉
@@IntrinDesign it can be a viable business if you can arrange cheap fuel and cheap labour to collect tons of scrap metal
@@gageosteen614 fiy a forger is someone who works metal (mainly steel) during its plastic state of heat. They don’t just make knives, look at black bear forge on RUclips, he made plenty of things that aren’t knives and swords.
Plus i more. Loved watching this, was looking at buying a small forge tonight. I was a canmaker for 30 yrs and hate cans,,,,empty ones! I use em to make shingles for shed roofs,,,free roofing apart from a few tacks. Will cut up ally cycle frames produce a decent cast alloy to turn down on a lathe? I mean with paint on it? Art from cans, love it.
Yes, it's worth it. Even though the metal is too soft to make machine parts, it's still fun to make art stuff with it.
hi....I have a ton of aluminium cat food cans...they have a plastic coating on the inside. will these work for ingots or will the plastic make a mess of things?
what something is worth is what you trade it for. Its value is what others credit you with. You shared a personal passion for free and those who enjoyed it will give back positively. Those trying to add up your total cost are missing the point. we are all volunteers of our time and the rewards are self-evident in nature's equity program. I see your individual reward is not the worth of your stockpile of raw metal but its leveraged value to anyone needing it. If I needed a block of processed aluminum I would gather 150% of the processed weight I needed and offer a trade of my raw for your processed material. Equity without fiat currency.
Nice video mate : )
I tend to find you get about 50 / 50 with cans… 50% metal and 50% dross. BUT if you have access to plenty of cans and IF you enjoy casting, then it’s always worth doing. That’s the fun of it!
Exactly! Now I can make more fun things 👍🏻 pure aluminum doesn’t just appear out of nowhere. 🤷🏻♂️ unfortunately
Yes but has anyone checked to see if the Aluminum is machinable? You should poor it into a form and see how well it does on a lathe.
Take a muffin or two that you already made and melt it in your crucible first then dunk the cans into the molten aluminum - melts them faster and significantly reduces dross.
Or you can save the dross and then add a few heaping tablespoons of salt to it and melt the aluminum out of it.
The companies can make 32 cans from one pound of aluminum - I found following my first suggestion gives me a return of about 40 cans making a pound of recycled aluminum and that's very good from what I've read.
Sean foltz
If u start it off with some molten aluminium and submerge the cans straight into the liquid metal to melt, you will get much much less dross than that.
The reason cans yield so much dross is mostly cos its really thin and it oxidizes due to exposure to the atmosphere.
@@CraigLYoung , I made leveling feet for my foundry by machining four of my ingots on a lathe. I'd love to say that I came up with that idea, but my design is based on TAOW's who also did the same (ie. machine feet out of cast ingots), although his feet were melted from an old ladder. Mine were from melted cans. It machines very easily. It's quite soft. I've considered buying some silicon and trying to covert the melted cans into something closer to 6061 aluminium, although I'm still new at this and have many other things to figure out before I try my hand at alloying.
Hi I liked this video and subscribed. What are you going to make when you melt them again? Looks like a fun hobby to learn. Thank you
excellent crucible melting pot. how did you make the ingredients to stick to the inside of it, and the cup ?
most excellent melt down procedure.
What do you mean make the ingredients?
the stuff that protects the outer propane can. and the cup that you use to melt in.
The cup is a clay graphite crucible and the lining in the tank is kaowool 👍🏻
Dude the sound on this is so nice!
I like this one, and it was cool to see you talking at the end. I feel better now- I've been saving cans now for a long time! Thank you🖐️
This guy doesn’t have a drinking problem.. he drinks so he can support his casting addiction.
Awwww love the survival Warrior music in the background. Love your videos!
Thank you 😊 glad you enjoy 👍🏻
Like a couple of other folks I was hoping to see a cost break down!!! BUT since you didn't provide one, let me just say that I have been kicking the idea around of building my own forge, and NOT for the reasons of just melting aluminum into ingots!! In fact I have been researching on how to make actual parts I want and need!! And even though I don't own a machine shop at all....the costs to buy the parts I want to make I can still machine most of my own things at home as long as the parts are "simple" to make for myself!! And in my life nothing is ever "simple" or even remotely "easy" so I have to build a lot of my own things just to own the things I want to start with!!! In this "modern day" not everybody has money growing on trees and frankly I am so fed up working to get no where, in the end that other then tired, flat broke, I have NO REWARD for the work I have done or I am actually doing!! In one case a guy just told me "I can guarantee you $50K a year and I told him "You are full of shit!" because I know it was just a hook to get me to go back to work for some dead end job that will just exploit my talents and pay me WAY BELOW what I am actually worth to DO the work I am physically doing in the first place!! I know this because it has happened to me time and time again in my life, where I found myself doing the work of 9 people and only getting paid like I am a "new employee at part time job like Burger King"!! I am too old, too tired and too fed up with being paid shit wages for the work I am ACTUALLY DOING to begin with!! And I highly doubt some company is going to start paying me a "new hire" $25 an hour for skills they will just exploit from me anyhow for $7 an hour!!
I hear ya on that. People never get paid what they are worth through companies. As far as my video is concerned I never mentioned anything about money and people are taking it the wrong way. I melt for my own personal art that I do and sell my pieces. If I was doing it to try and make money from ingots then it wouldn’t be worth my time at all.
My comment, before reading your comment: Yeah its worth it if you make something bad ass, but not cookies!
My comment after: Bad ass!!
When removing your muffins its easier to just get a five gallon Home Depot or Lowe's bucket, fill it 75% with water and knock the muffins out into it.
They cool instantly, no need to fuss with picking them up to drop into something and you can just leave them there till your finished then simply dump the water out when you're done, thus having them all together in one container at the end too.
I know this is an old video. But I've been watching you for years and this is the first time I've ever seen what you actually look like
Here is a question, is it better to use propane as your heat source on a clay graphite crucible to melt aluminum cans or could I use say charcoal and a blow dryer. Looking for some advice. Thanks
Cinematic soundscape experience. Very nice.
Cans from your sponser? 😂
I melt cans in huge amounts, its my main source for aluminium, and they are FREE because I collect them everywere i can
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Yes! It’s a very free easy source 👍🏻 just takes a while and there’s lots of slag but whatever. It’s worth it to me to melt 😊🍺🍺🍺🍺
@@ArtByAdrock I was wondering why there is so much slag? I know the cans are painted, but that shouldn't amount to much. Are they using crappy aluminium in the cans?
Yeah I’m pretty sure they coat the cans in other things as well. The tops I always save separately cause they’re pure so I’ll be doing a video on that sometime soon I hope.
Hit an auto mechanic or somewhere that specializes in tires and try to score some aluminum rims - typical car aluminum rim weighs around 19 pounds and has a scrap value of $7 - you can usually score them for $5 each or less, sometimes free if you tell them why you want them. You can cut them into manageable pieces with a reciprocating saw and they generate very little dross.
But they're not free you say?
It took him four hours to make ten pounds of free aluminum - I can cut up and melt down a 19 pound rim in about half that time so factoring in what I make at my day job my time is worth far more than the $5 or less I paid for the rim.
Make sure to either have photos of what you make on your phone or if its small stuff, bring a few pieces with you.
I made paper weights using the Han Solo in carbonite my old Slave One toy and carry a couple of them when scrounging rims - I'll show it to the guy at the garage and they'll often times trade me rims for them - four ounces of aluminum for 19 pounds.
@@seanfoltz7645 Brilliant 👍 I will look into this, so should you @ArtByAdrock 👍
Turn the slag in to figurines for D&D. Crappy tin and alum leftovers is perfect for table top.
I’ve done a few figurines in the past so that’s a good idea. I’ll have to do more 👍🏻
Do you want to build an aluminum snowman?"
The aluminium used for drink cans is different to that used for aluminium castings like engine parts, they're different alloys. One is optimised for extruding out thin shapes, the other for making tough thick pieces. I would love if you did a video comparing a simple rod of aluminium made from cans to a rod from aluminium castings, and see which one breaks easiest.
You mean like carbon and purity content?
While I do like the meltings, my value of worth would be if the price places would pay for the almost 10 pounds of pure aluminum outweighs the 10 cent refunds on most of those cans. I was kind of hoping for something along that line of info. But I suppose it does save on materials for future projects.
Hey loved the video. I have been wanting to make my own forge
So I have to ask WHAT do u do with all the slag that's comes off all aluminum brass copper
Usually I’ll remelt it and try and extract more and then I’ll throw it all out after 👍🏻
@@ArtByAdrock that's awesome well I am going to subscribe to ur channel NOW its awesome watching what u do and the ingot u made for Grant Thomson was vary awesome of you thank you
Clint Doolittle thank you. Glad you enjoy. There’s many more cool projects I’m working on so stay tuned 👍🏻
@@ArtByAdrock can't wait to see other awesome videos and I will be suggesting ur channel to a few good friends who likes this kind of stuff and thank u for ur time to reply to me
Clint Doolittle no problem at all! thanks I appreciate that 👍🏻
Looks like you could cut way back on your fuel consumption. Once you get up to melting temperature you just have to maintain. I built mine with two burners. Once I'm up to temp I shut one off and cut the psi by about 25 percent. 30 pound propane tank has lasted me about three hours so far and still not empty
I'm new to this, I was wondering if melting down the cans raises or changes the grade of metal in any way. Also is there a profit to be made from doing this if so?
A perfect example of why recycling is not the saviour of the planet
So, what is the cost of purchased ingots vrs the amount of fuel and value of your time?
I use boid'arc and a hair dryer and fly through the cans. Wasting time is watching tv and looking at Facebook. Don't know his art but it's something to say; made this out of pop cans when the piece is in the gallery.$ you go dude. Boid'arc
Please can you talk about the cost of melting and the set up you have?
recycling beer cans. there's a slight poetic justice to that and a good thing.
what is in the center of that propane tank? How do I make a set up like that to melt aluminum and where do I get the stuff I need to make the set up? Thanks
Subbed and liked man. Awesome content.
When conspiracy theorists tell me molten aluminum can’t glow yellowish-orange:
Super Sir, what all we can can create with Aluminium blocks melted or buyers are their?
do you rinse or dry the cans beforehand? What if they have any pop or beer drops left inside;. Will it spit when heated? Thanks.
Looks like you visited my grandpa and uncle. Lots of bud light and Budweiser cans.
Hahaha 👍🏻
Wife’s love the smell of burning epoxy 🙂
Basically it would double or more the price i could get for scrap price even if i just sold it to the scrap yard. Cans are 39 cents a pound, pure blocks of aluminum are 89cents a pound, one could sell on ebay or amazon for 2 to 3 dollars a pound. I flatten mine more than he does. Could put at least 2 times what he gets in the crucible. One question, is that a home made kit?
So was it worth it? Does the cost involved versus any final profit make sense.
absolutely fascinating.A beautiful job!
Thank you 🙏
So from authors explanations and actually seeing what he uses. Reg used stuff is between 50-100 bucks American. And that even counts the muffin pans. Most can be picked up at rummage sell. They are already drink x amount of cans of whatever. That doesn’t even matter or count unless they pay more for trash service if they have too much. He said that propane usage for this video was about 5-10 bucks which is about 1/2 tank when he made it. End of the day, average everything out, maybe 12 bucks spent on this video, besides taping it. Shut up people. Do what you love to do.
Love the content. Love what your doing for many passions. Love that you can teach everyone at the same time.
Financial turnover vs spending on this is required to be calculated.What do you think, the spending of Gas, cost of used cans and final producf whats the savings , one can make?
I built a propane furnace from a 134a bottle but I also built a wood burning furnace from a propane bottle, it works even if I'm out of propane.
That was pretty cool
What do you do with all the slag? Is there any thing good you can get out of it or is that just waste?
I set it all aside and I’ll remelt it later. I should be able to get a lot more from it 👍🏻
@@ArtByAdrock wow.
Like the use of cookie sheets 👍Does it off gas when melted? Also... trying to recycle foil, can i boil of the food stuck to it first,and then melt it down?
Enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing. Molten aluminum is fairly reactive, like molten lead, so there's always going to be more dross than you want (it quickly combines with oxygen). I read all 109 comments and your responses to them, as I was "watching" your video and they addressed all but one of my thoughts. Some of your viewers may try doing this in a closed garage or shed. Aluminum vapors usually take years to accumulate and cause problems, so maybe stress the importance of ventilation or an exhaust fan. Thanks for the video.
Thanks yeah I agree. 👍🏻
Aluminium vapours are the last of your worries. I'd never do this in an enclosed space. In a propane or charcoal foundry, maybe this would be less obvious as the fire from the foundry itself may obscure what's going on with the melting cans, but I use an electric foundry, so any smoke and flame that I see is obviously coming from the crap on the cans. You have at least three sources of various fumes from the cans. One is the dried up dregs of whatever was in the can. This is unlikely to be too concerning. You also have the paint from the outside of the can. It's not easy to know exactly what this is or what fumes could be coming from that as it breaks down and burns. There's also the thin plastic coating inside the can that prevents the drink from directly contacting the aluminium metal inside the can. Again, not sure exactly what fumes this might produce, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some aromatic organic compounds in there. Whatever the source, melting cans does produce some unpleasant fumes and smoke from time to time that I wouldn't want accumulating in any room I planned to be in. If I'm melting under cover, I always have the garage door and at least one other door or large window open, although I prefer to do it outside if weather allows.
@@brettski74 You forgot another hazard, probably the most deadly....
Burning all that propane produces a lot of carbon monoxide. If that is allowed to build up, you will just fall asleep and die.
Keep ventilated.
the way I see it, if you cast it into blocks and cylinders that you can lathe or mill, 10 pounds of material bought through ebay or amazon would likely cost you 40-50 dollars, a forced air system would increase fuel efficiency and thus you are likely to reduce costs further to a point that one tank of propane or less will be all you need for this melt load. Depending on prices in your area your propane refill is likely costing you around 20 dollars. so it's comparable to market value for a block of aluminum, if you have to melt it twice, but doing it all at once you can actually come out ahead in costs. If you start sourcing scrap aluminum from broken ladder, engine and wheels, storm doors etc, you will likely get more material to work with and it won't be quite so much 'one can at a time' long nights of melting. so it depends on the application and efficiency of processing, but you are likely to be on either side of breaking even by a little bit.
So is it worth 2 propane tanks in expense to get 10lbs of aluminum?
Since the cans are effectively free (refuse otherwise if not recycled), and you got 9.44 pounds out of it, assuming 1 tank of propane was fully exhausted (at a nominal value of $20), you've come out at $2.12 per pound for your ingots. That certainly beats the price you can find them for on ebay, and even if you doubled the price per ingot that you yourself invested, you'd still have to buy quantities well in excess of what you've poured here to negate the cost of shipping.
Are you gonna Remelt the dross if use borax when doing cans it helps get all the aluminum out of it. Good video.
Yes I will. I have a huge amount of slag saved and will be melting that all in a future video. And yes borax helps, I usually always use it 👍🏻
From my research, borax is great flux for brass, iron and steel but entirely wrong for aluminium. I think the borate will react with the aluminium, but I've not found any good information on what problems borax might cause other than a number of places online that have said don't use borax with aluminium. Everything I've found suggests chloride salts as the right flux for melting and casting aluminium. Potassium chloride is readily available as various salt substitutes in the supermarket. Sodium, calcium and magnesium chlorides are readily available in bulk for relatively cheap prices as ice melters. I've been using a mixture of calcium and potassium chloride and it's worked wonders for separating the metal from the dross. I generally melt the stuff together into tablets and then put those into the melt later on, but other people on youtube I've seen simply sprinkle a few spoonfuls of morton's lite salt into their crucible and get somewhat similar results with regard to separating the dross. You do need to stir a bit, but after adding the flux, it floats much ore readily to the top and separates from the metal.
@@ArtByAdrock Don't use borax. It reacts with the graphite in your crucible, shortening its life.
Great video lots of talk about flux what do you use for flux.
Thank you! It’s nice to here someone not talk about the damn price haha. I usually use borax as my flux as it seems to work just fine! 👍🏻 thank you for the comment and kind words 🍺🍺
I think I have that many monster cans under my bed
Wonder what the weight of the cans were before melting? I’d be interesting to know the percentage of loss.
Many side hustles and the like aren't worth it due to the time wasted. Figure the value of your time has to be near what you make at your job.
But, if it's something that you enjoy and it's fun anyways and you can make a couple bucks then why not?
I’d really love to make my own forge. I’ve got a ton of aluminum and copper wire I’d like to melt down and make a table top of of
You should. Its a very simple build 👍🏻
Are those standard baking trays your using
How much money in cans did you melt down to get 9.44lbs. Or is it better to just turn them in for 5cents apiece. I always wondered if you would get more money per pound if you brought the melted or crushed cans to the scrap yard
where does the slat come from? I know it is impurities in the aluminum but does it settle at the bottom of the crucible? Also, if you crush the cans flatter ( day with a sledgehammer) couldn't you fit more at a time in the crucible? Does that slow down the smelting process if you do?
The slag generally will float on top.crushing them more only fits more in initially. Having so many to melt really wouldn’t help me that much more. If I had a shredder that might make it a little better to fit in more but they melt so quickly as it put them in that it doesn’t really bother me. Hope that helps
@@ArtByAdrock it does... Does the slat just pour off easily or does the aluminum tend to follow it? I would love for you to melt it and use it to pour into a fire ant mound. I've seen that done before, and the sculpture that comes out is beautiful... Living in Texas, and having been bitten by fire ants a lot, I would feel absolutely no pity for them. LMAO
Haha I bet. Damn those ants 🐜. I simply scrape off the slag with a spoon. I’ve remelted the slag too and I’ll get a little extra but it’s really not that worth it
If you're melting strictly for the metal itself and not for the money then hell yeah it's worth it.
You should do this over sand over cement pops from moisture and can throw the Metal
Here in Vegas we never have any moisture so I don’t worry about that. Except for the occasional oops I did in a video a few weeks ago when it rained and I exploded brass everywhere 🤷🏻♂️
Is it actually best to water cool them or let them cool gradually?
I love aluminum cookies with sugar on top. 😋😁
All very well, but how much propane did it take?
Not much.. maybe half tank total. They start to freeze and lose power so you have to switch them. $8 maybe 🤷🏻♂️
Quick question the crucible I see that is cracked is it dangerous to use it like that or is it fine for someone who is very experienced in this like yourself?
It is dangerous to use for sure. It could fall apart while picking it up spilling metal everywhere. I wasn’t too worried about it but you always wanna use safety gear just in case.
So if you substract the cost of propane from what you earned doing this what did you end up with?
A whole lot more than the $10-15 it cost me on propane 👍🏻
Is there any aluminium left in the slag? What is slag how can you minimise losing aluminium when removing the slag? So many slaggy questions
Yes there is still aluminum left in the slag. Usually I’ll remelt it to get the rest out. The slag is impurities in the metal and the oxides that form
My question is how much does it cost to melt the cans, and what is the value of the melted aluminum afterwards compared to premelt.
What does everyone do with these aluminum ingots? I was thinking about doing this but don’t know what I’d use the ingots for. I’d like to make fishing weights or slingshot ammo but aluminum is too light.
So how long between pouring into moulds and having them solid enough to knock out of the moulds?
It was about 20 min between pouring and took about a minute to solidify enough to take them out of the mold
They look delicious...
How much gas did you use and what did it cost? Could you have bought a scrap piece around 10 lbs. with less labor?
Of course I could have done that but that wouldn’t be any fun. It was prob $15 in gas
Loved the vid. Ive been stocking up with cans but need to make my own furness do you have a vid how you made yours. I've old bottles and am thinking to just play and see but yours looks great 👍. Any help much appreciate.
Thanks. I don’t have a video but it’s super easy to make. Just cut the top off of an old propane tank, cut a hole on the top of the lid and on the bottom of the tank and line it with kaowool. It’s very simple. 👍🏻
Invest in a shredder it makes it alot easier
Was it worth it ?? Yes I get to re-melt it back down next week lol ok I was waiting for price not for you to say you going to re-melt it lol thanks for the 10:17 I ain't getting back good job any way
Haha I meant was it worth it to me.. sorry bro. But yes it is because I won’t have to deal with the slag for future projects. Thanks for the comment and I owe you a casting of mine down the road 👍🏻
@@ArtByAdrock look that casting be nice but I wouldn't expect you to do that not would I ask you to the gesture was nice enough can't let you send me a casting because the price of postage for an ingot of alloy would cost you thousands of cans to send to Australia lol you just keep melting your cans and save up your pennies if you want to know where to get lots of aluminum I saw a guy in you tube that had been locked out of his house by his wife so he decided to melt down ALL of his house's aluminum door frames and window frames so if your looking for lots or alloy start their lol well done matey
Haha youre talking about my friend BigStackD 👍🏻
Could rust and molten aluminum create thermite don't know why just thought about that while he was casting
Good question. I have no idea 🤷🏻♂️ I might have to do an experiment and find out
When I started out, I wondered the same thing - particularly since I use a steel crucible and when heat it up to casting temperatures you end up with a coating of black iron oxide on the surface, but it's never been an issue. Even if you did get a thermite reaction from the little bit of rust in his trays, there's so little iron oxide there it would be over and your iron oxide exhausted before anything interesting could happen. The continued presence of iron oxide on the surface of my crucible after exposure to molten aluminium tells me that any reaction that's happening is minimal, if at all. I suspect you need to powder the iron oxide to get something more interesting to happen.
@@ArtByAdrock if you do please let me know that'd be an awesome video
I wouldn't be too worried about the thermite reaction per se, but rusty moulds may harbour iron carbonates or hydroxides as well as moisture, any of which could pop in contact with the hot aluminum, splashing the molten metal about the room. This is the reason (or at least, one of them) for preheating the moulds: to drive off the moisture.
@@kevinmartin7760 I half just wanted to know if it was possible like a king of random or backyard scientist style experiment with iron filings being poured with molten aluminum to see if its possible to react
How many metal biscuits did you get?
Around ten years ago I built a foundry furnace based on the babington burner. It ran on used fryer oil, which I got for free, rather than expensive propane. The furnace and crucible were one unit, and the flame was directed into it and made direct contact with the metal. I don't think it would be good for ferrous metals as it might add extra carbon. Anyway, it worked great for melting AL cans.
Wow. The crucible,lived
You should have used a hydraulic press to squeeze these cans smaller
If I had one I totally would have 👍🏻
Scatter cans on a road and cars will flatten them.
I'm poor so Ive been making steel crucibles,
They hold up pretty good usually at least a year and they won't crack if handled roughly
*That epic music though xD!!!*
Solid cookies 👍
how many cans of propane do u use?
how long does it take to melt all them cans?
do u get more money for bricks then cans?
Great Ideas come in small cans
Did you remelt the slag later?
Ok worth it for future use on good stuff (maybe) cost wise I was curious about how many cans used x propane used x price of aluminum if resold type scenario lol. But hey cool vid subbed
I hear ya. Maybe I’ll do a break down of all of that in a future video 👍🏻
1kg of Scrap aluminium in the uk £0.50p ..you have about £8.00
I love the proses and the results it's pretty satisfying
How much propane cost to melt them? Like the kiln made from an old tank, Good idea.
It’s about $20 for the tank and I can get a few melts in from each one
my my , such a flabbergasting comment to procure to someone you do not even know about.
do recap your vocabulary and make it clean.
Scorp ok ok whatever i missed the space bar, gotta give mad props for getting the chemical formula right tho..
xD with a rather dashing response , that i must say is humorous .
I found out years ago that it takes 12 to 16 cans to make 1 pound of aluminum depending on size. So if your melting for money it will depend on what state you're in. If you plan to cast then its up to you to decide worth.
I always turn the metal into something fun so it’s worth it for me 👍🏻 check out the latest video I put out to see why
I wonder if preheating the cans in the oven at 500 def would help speed it up?