@@PrivateMcPrivate yeah but they were not that accurate, they were used more like long range artillery it would next to impossible to hit a moving ship with those
@@RuminatingKiwi927 yeah whats the point of trying when they're trying to kill you by the looks of the modern ships they have full auto 76mm round and missiles they could easily disable and decimate the ship that would be fun to watch
@@yuritarted984 or if they don't want to risk killing the goddamn students. I believe they can send a guided missile or something to disable the main guns or perhaps the secondary too, whilst also disabling the engine or rudder by hitting the stern. Therefore the ship is disarmed with only some damages.
The actual history of Musashi and Yamato demonstrated that neither of these sister battleships could survive multiple torpedo hits on the same side. A single modern Arleigh Burke-class destroyer could make short work of any World War II-era battleship without ever coming within range of the battleship's main guns. A half dozen modern torpedoes in one side of the big ships would be enough to capsize and sink them, and that's before we even begin to discuss the impact of the various modern-day ship-to-ship missiles. A one-on-one battle between an unescorted Musashi and a single Arleigh Burke would be over in about 20 minutes, all fought beyond visual range, and the Musashi would never get to fire her guns.
Bro ofc if u give a few high school girls a fucking battleship this is what they would do, also the modern destroyers could EASILY CLAP the ww2 battleships
well these ASROC anti-sub torpedo in this vid only have about 50kg warhead, enough for a sub but can't even pass the torpedo bulkhead of Musashi. WWII era aerial torpedo has 200~300kg TNT warhead, in contrary. Modern destroyers do not carry WWII size(21in/24in) anti-ship torpedo, but only keep 6~8 324mm torpedo tubes for sub hunting.
For those who think that Musashi's armor could hold up to modern anti ship missiles. This may be case if the ship was struck by a single missile but considering how much explosives these missiles carry in their warheads and the sheer force that they impact their targets with, Musashi's armor wouldn't survive repeated hits. And that is not taking into account the fact that the ship would be constantly on fire with the crew unable to control it due to them being constantly bombarded by missiles.
Well if the reinforments know were the target is they could have struck it with an anti ship missile from a distance musashi couldent hit from and it takes some to reload those guns it shouldn't be that fast
I think you fail to understand that yamato can withstand a full salvo from its own shells, conaidering just how much explosive power is in a single shell you cant even begin to compare it to an ASM or ASROC. even if a battlegroup saturates a yamato class with missiles the yamato would survive it, even with heavy superficial damage. taking into context that this is a student ship, those instructor ships should never saturate a ship like that with missiles just because it dramatically increases the chance of injuring or killing the students what they should do is a surgical strike on the yamato's propellers (not the boiler room because that could cause an overpressure explosion which could detonate the magazine rooms) or destroy the main smoke stack/funnel to choke the engines into stalling.
As a Navy veteran, I find myself scratching my head. Vertical launched torpedoes a-la ASROC? Followed by the torpedoes not going under and displacing the keel but striking the belt? Huh?
Thats what your wondering about?! So you think its normal that a fliping giant warship was given to japanse school girls that somehow magicly know how to operate it
Since there is plenty of discussion in the comments, here is how this match would play out in an open combat situation: 1. Modern missile destroyers (DDG) could obviously way outrange a WW2 battleship (BB). A destroyer loadout features missiles with ranges from over 100 km (anti-ship missiles like Harpoon) to over 1000 km (cruise missiles like Tomahawk), whereas a BB could fire around 40 km while the horizon would appear at around 25 km. 2. Even within visual range, battleships were often quite inaccurate and needed many minutes to hours to score hits at longer ranges. A DDG in contrast can fire dozens of missiles within minutes. 3. While it's true that modern anti-ship missiles could not penetrate the citadel of a heavy battleship like Musashi, it doesn't need to either. The Bismarck for example was completely incapacitated due to the destruction of its fire directors and command bridge long before it actually sank. It landed no direct hits in an engagement that lasted over an hour at ranges from 23 km to just 3 km in the end. So in short: The DDG would fire a solid salvo of anti-ship missile against the battleship, the battleship would lose its fire directors, control, crew quarters etc. The rest of the crew would likely evacuate because they're now sitting in a practically uncontrolled hulk engulfed in an inferno, with no options to retaliate. But even if they could sit it out, they would have little to no combat value and eventually starve. For context on the fire: A British DDG was lost to a single Excocet hit at Falklands even though it failed to detonate. The accuracy of the hit and depth of penetration carried it deep inside the ship, so the missile fuel plus burnable materials on the ship alone were enough to destroy it. Massive fire damage has been observed repeatedly. A full salvo against a big target like this would undoubtedly create pandemonium.
and for added context in the video they where trying to disable the ship without wiping out the people on board they where brainwashed and thats easier said then done even IRL its actually harder IRL as if you do succeed in disabling it they will most likely scuttle it to keep it out of enemy hands.
Even in a gun to gun battle, the modern destroyers will most likely have the upper hand, sure the 127mm might lack in punch against the Musashi's 460mm guns, but it has sat-nav computer and/or aerial gun aiming, where as the Musashi can only aim their guns manually using range finders and estimations. The 127/54 is also capable of spewing 40 rounds per minute, and there where 8 of them, a total of 320 rounds per minute. The outcome might be like this (considering if its a head on combat and not a rogue student like in this video), the musashi salvoed the destroyer first, high chance of missing. The on board comps calculates the range of the musashi from the destroyer and the gun immediately moves, and spews a round of 127mm shell precisely into the deck of the musashi. By the time the battleship reloads, changed aim and sends another salvo, the 127mm gun already dumped 4-5 rounds already, crippling the battleship in major points. Many people seem to forget why battleships are phased out, mostly because how dangerously effective and steadfast cruisers and destroyers have become.
Finally, someone agree that the amount of armour Battleships has doesn't automatically means it is impervious to Anti-Ship Missiles Many Battleship entheusiest claim that Battleships would reign supreme in the Modern World due to it's armour able to handle Anti-Ships missiles and won't sink, but its not always about sinking a Ship, it's about dealing critical damage to it's vital components, infrastructure, communication equipment, enginers and so much more, sure the Battleship may not sink but a few Harpoons is just enough to deal enough damage to disable it, effectively a mission kill
It's no surprise the missile destroyer ate shit to a dud, modern warships are made out of paper because armour just isn't effective enough to be worth it, a fucking battle tank could probably cripple a destroyer if it ever got the chance to shoot at one. This isn't me saying battleships are good bare in mind, just that missile destroyers getting bullied isn't surprising.
For you that know know, high school fleet is based in the future where the icecaps have melted, most of the land is now underwater and the navies are the way of warfare and trade. Schools have been made in every nation to train high school students that attend these academies will be future sailors. they train using old ships, and the ones with the worse entrance grades get some of the worse ships. in the anime they also encounter a german girl where something went on with her school too.
I know the explanation is just an excuse to have cool ships from the past commanded by lolis but the explanation makes so little sense it hurts my brain. Why do students learn using extremely obsolete tech. It's like attending a medical university to become a doctor but they don't teach you any information that isn't at least a 100 years old
@@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 actually ive been to college and got 3 degrees in a tech field, we learned some outdated methods that arent really used anymore. in the case of those show, its basically a boarding school and the tech is the same thing that happens even in our military. "we cant use this on the front lines anymore but lets use it for training". in this case of those show its "hey we have military schools that need hardware so lets give it to them" those schools also have to buy that equipment, i served in 5 helicopter units, the government doesnt give military units anything, you use budgets to buy those. my first unit in 2005 was flying UH-1H left over from Vietnam. 1 of my Apache units mechanics constantly damaged rotor blades, those are 100k ea. a mechanic left bolts loose in a engine followed by dropping the replacement engine into the ground from a forklift that cost 600k an engine. In the US military its not uncommon that training ships have been much older ships than what you'd be assigned to. those ships were want the japanese government had on hand and went "we can sell you these for training" once those classes graduated theyd be assigned to current fleets with much newer ships. Its all about money, and besides anime love using their old ww2 ships, ww1 and 2 vehicles were awesome for their time and they live on as legends.
@@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 it makes a lot of sense what are they gonna do let them use a brand new multi million dollar war ship? do you buy a brand new car like a LC300 then let your kid learn to drive in that or are you gonna get the old Hilux thats sitting out the back and teach them to drive in that.
(gets a floating piece of museum that has manual AA from ww2, no computers and built with "all big gun" and ship to ship salvo tactics in mind) She must have failed every possible subject right ? And before the people spring in to tell me the "musashi is the most powerful battleship back in the day" yes back in the day, back when mach 1 was unimaginable but now mach 3.5 is reached and fighters typically move at mach 1+ when attacking.
Fun fact: This is the early design of the Yamato class ship. Yamato and Musashi had 4 turrets with 3 155mm (6.1 inch) guns each for a total of 12. Later on, they both had the port and starboard 6 inch gun turrets removed in favor of the more iconic anti-aircraft gun platfotms that had 3 pairs of 5 inch anti-aircraft guns.
@@sheepbow909 And anyways, there’s actually a really funny in-universe reason for not having a proper anti-aircraft battery, and that is because planes don’t exist in this universe, which is a fact that exists solely to justify how they keep misplacing ships. Because the logical response to “hey this destroyer full of actual children hasn’t checked in for three days we don’t know where it is” is “all right send up scout planes and run a search pattern across its most recently reported quadrant in the same heading as it was taking” and while you can do that with blimps and airships, which they do have, those are both slower than planes and that’s gonna be more easily avoided.
I think the best way to approach this is to directly board that battleship with multiple sailors on multiple fast moving raft/boats. Then they can immediately find those students and -beat them to death- see what's actually going on.
@@danentakoto2701 I do not. your just going to have to find the episode and watch that part if you want to see it. I could clip it and upload it myself but I'm to lazy sorry.
@Miles Jeter yes but ww2 gun are not. Accurate at all compared to modern gun who can use subcaliber round to pierce the armor of battleship at this short range and destroy critical component like the bridge the turret ring , range finder etc...
@@intselec2184 yeah those five inch guns which can shoot around 2 rounds a second will devastate any exposed radar and optical rangefinders/command and control/fire control on battleships and missiles will maul big ships to death. AShMs are devastating
In a more realistic scenario, the DDGs will simply outrange the Musashi with Harpoons. Also it seems like they didn't even bother with CIWS or Sea Sparrows
When you compare both ERAs cannon for cannons, then WW2 simply outguns modern. However, modern ships don't fight with cannons. Instead, they're pretty much back ups as they fight with missiles/aircraft instead. While missiles won't have the raw killing fire that Battleship cannons have, missiles will be much more efficient at killing ships as they would be able to hit them accurately, consistently and from ranges outside WW2 naval guns. Besides, modern ships can carry nukes. Your typical DDG (Arleigh Burke for example) can carry BGM-109s and said missiles can have nuclear warheads, so theoretically these Destroyers should be able to launch nukes. The show demonstrated a very poor example of how to deal with the Musashi. Not only did their incompetence employ bad tactics and strategy, but they are not even prepared or equipped to handle the situation.
When the USA reactivated the Iowa class in the 80's it's armour was considered impenetrable by anti ship missiles of the day and the Musashi has thicker armour than the Iowa class.
That's a damn good quote. I'll probably use that someday....like in person with someone, not another RUclips comment.....Well I might, but more like I'd forget about where I heard it and just say "fuck it, it's free real-estate."
Nonetheless id rather have those annoying armchair historians than these silly anime fans trying to lessen the arguments of literal navy vets and ship nerds
That confuses me a lot. A waste of resources if it is just for training of little girls. Also why the fuck would they have *little* girls prob only 8 control an entire battleship!?!?!??! I am so confused rn
Blame the nukes that US hit Japan with...They did something to Japan. On a more serious note...Japan's population is on a decline even if their companies and government increase one pays and/or reward money for having children... That is the situation...So... I don't know what to make of what I said, honestly.
Amethyst Blade But Japan is the one who started, um i mean they just bombed the innocent pearl harbor together with the sleeping/unprepared mens so... well deserved? maybe?
@@warhistory1895 we're talking about 18-inch gun weighed more than 140 tonnes, rotate at 40 degree per se, yes, your pew pew 6-inch gun might be faster than that, but it will obliterated in a matter of time if that rotate traverse of Musashi existed
I think many people overlooked the things background, since the video doesn't show it: There's these weird mind-controlling mice making the students aggressive to anything around them. Most people other than the crew of that WW2 DD showed up in the end of the video *did not knew this. The DDGs perceived the Battleship was friendly but the latter one is infested with said mice and open-fired on them, Aircraft carrier is not introduced in the whole season since it would be hecking op, plus the writer is probably "Cannon fans" so they purged aircraft from the show-thus no TBD gaming. The reason why they didn't just blew the superstructure, or make it ammorack, break it in half is that would basically means hundreds of school kids will be dead(even thou noone actually died in the show, so I would assume shooting the superstructure wont do jack), the reluctant of DDGs captain basically shows this so they went for mission-kill, failing miserably because plot, too-small of a torpedo and mice messing with electronic
funny that the actual context for the video got no comment and barely managed to be pushed up the list while all the funny discussions about how a 1000kg-warhead-anti-ship-missile would blow up the superstructure hogged up all the attentions
@@grapieboi7279 you are the wrong here. Yamato appeared in the first chapter and is with blue lines. The red one is her sister Musashi, the Yamato was in port when this battle happened.
They didn't because their training torpedoes, plus if they sunk the ship the destroyer captain and crew would be court martialed due to killing students.
Fun fact: The Yamato-classes in this anime are all pre-retrofit Yamato-classes. You can tell because they still have those secondaries on the sides of the ships. In real life, these secondaries were removed in favour of more AA guns. In the anime, I can understand why they're pre-retrofit. This anime universe has no heavier than air aviation, in other words their aviation is airships and (somehow) rocket and missile technology. They skipped an entire development phase. Also in this universe, the Shinano got completed as a battleship (because aircraft aren't a thing apparently so no Yamato-class aircraft carriers) and the other 2 planned Yamato-classes (there were supposed to be 5) were completed. Also, one thing I still find extremely funny is that to lower the manpower (or in this case woman power) needed, all the primary and secondary batteries have been fitted with autoloaders. Can you imagine how terrifying an autoloaded 18.1-inch gun must be. Also, the turret rotations speed has obviously been boosted.
first mate: Sir they've fired on us. Me, having replaced the incompetent fleet commander: Launch a salvo of cruise missiles. First mate: But sir there are student's aboard. Me: Well they should have remembered we have a wonderful assortment of very deadly anti-ship cruise missiles and the Mark 45 weapon system before doing that shouldn't they. Speaking of which, all ships concentrate fire on the command tower. Wait for my order to fire. And then I'd give them the opportunity to surrender. If refused I'd give the order to open fire.
Jasper Rodriguez It's good to see people who notice the incompetence of that fleet commander. They had like 11 destroyers Vs one battleship. It's an easy win.
Jasper Rodriguez it must be hard being stupid. The ship and the students are apparently worth more than all those ships and all the other sailors' lives. They are also brainwashed by something, hence why he was trying to just disable the ship instead of sinking that shit
Just to add to all the people correctly pointing out how badly modern destroyers would utterly demolish this battleship, remember the destroyers have all the time in the world. The battleship is never catching them and support would be on the way, all the while the superstructure is being slammed by antiship missiles. The destroyers would not only be capable of sinking a WWII battleship, they would be able to do so with utter impunity.
It's a bit like a grizzly bear vs a team of Navy Seals. Sure, it would get ugly one on one at close range with no warning there's a bear about to chomp but in any other scenario Yogi isn't going to get within claw range and certainly won't get to walk away.
"all the while the superstructure is being slammed by antiship missiles." You mean, all the while the anti-ship missiles are being returned to sender by the Totalitarian Hive?
@@johnassal5838 Folks like me aren't discussing the lore in whatever this is, we are talking about why the bigger "better" battleships of WWII disappeared.
Honestly, it would be pretty hard for modern anti-ship missiles to sink the Musashi, because they just aren't made to sink extremely armored ships like that, and modern destroyers don't carry very big torpedoes. You'd need an attack submarine, like the Soryu, to actually sink it.
“Let’s remind those girls that though they have a bigger ship, compare to our arsenal they are nothing but a floating punching bag.” “All weapons, fire at will.”
@@munetanimashiro8375 yeah let’s try in reality, cause we live in real life, not in anime, and definitely, if I gave a 14 yr old a battleship from ww2, I’m already expecting a puzzled face, and not to mention the same would be with some anime 14 yr old, but you know “14 yr OlD aNiMe GiRlS cOuLd DeStRoY tHe WoRlD wITh A wW2 battleship” like you tell me, it doesn’t make sense, why do they even go to school if they already know how to operate something as complex as a battleship, cause apart from steering the ship, you have to check, different things and maintain the engine, I don’t think a 14 yr old even knows how to manage fuel…..let alone some hydraulics and cannon loading of guns the size of a 1 story building
@@tupolev.designs The ship is highly automated though, making it easier for the 14 year old girl to use it, still does not explain how they know how to maintain it but I assume they got instructors with them.
@@tupolev.designs I assume before they got assigned to their ships or even before they become marines(forgot their organization name) they learnt to maintain a ship in middle school for people wanting to become a marine, like an extra curricular class.
When the US BBs were brought out of mothballs, their armor had a new advantage. At that time, None of the anti-ship missiles were designed to penetrate heavy armor. So in the case above "training warheads" would have no hope of inflicting significant damage, whereas the 18in cannon shot would inflict severe damage on a modern destroyer. These are designed for speed, not heavily armored.
Well, spotting and hitting a destroyer at actual engagement range is pretty difficult task. Vast majority of media does very poorly at portraying this sort of distances.
@@kousand9917 in actual battleship engagements at standard range, ie 10+km, an accuracy of 1% was considered average, if not superb. During the sinking of the Hood, bismarck depleted nearly all of its AP ammunition, before scoring a single devastating hit.
this is only true for western missiles such as the Exocet and Harpoon. the Soviet missiles the BBs actually would have gone up against had massive shaped charge and SAP warheads designed to cripple carriers, and the missile that nearly blew the Eilat in half would be more than enough to gut a BB with a decent sized salvo
you know what? i'm going back to GuP. watching that one with all the historical references and playing for sport is better than incompetent ship captains getting shot at.
I think the bigger is that it has by far the stupidest villains concept I have ever seen in my life MIND-CONTROLLED HAMSTERS THAT CAN CAUSE VIRUS AND HAVE JAMMING ABILITIES WTF were they smoking
Because the system doesn't allow you to multitask and even if it did you would have to do one at a time which by that point you've already lost your targeting on one ship while trying to aim at another separate one.
I'd be awesome! But alas, that'd make battleships too OP, even if it was harder to multitask as oppose to doing half or full salvos. One example that comes to mind is Bismarck, those guns shred ANYTHING, NOW imagine shredding 2 even 3 ships at a time...with all that said, it'd be cool as hell.
Well, wow should be playing one ship, with multiple crew as players whose task is Manning main turets (1,2,3 or 4), secondaries Canons, AAA, ship movement, torpedoes and a captain. That should be perfect. But yeah, it's a video game...
Fun fact: The secondary gun batteries on the sides were replaced and supplemented by huge amounts of additional AA guns. While the ship was under repair in April 1944, the two 6.1 inch (155mm) wing turrets were removed and replaced with three triple 25 mm gun mounts each.
@@ezalfarizy7113 no lmao, it's just plot armor to save the little lolis asses. They would have been on the ocean floor dead with their outdated battleship if this was real life.
In Nihonkoku Shoukan/Summonin Japan, the modern JMSDF destroyers completely dominated the Yamato-class battleship Grade Atlastar in combat (technically Grade Atlastar is an upgraded Yamato as it have radar as well as proximity fuse) . Not only dis the destroyer peppered the Yamato -class with anti -hip missiles from beyond visual range of the battleship but they even used their AEGIS system to shoot down the main cannon shells in flight .The battleship never stood a chance.
Ah yes, I remember that they also had proxy fuse beehive shells. The beehive shells IRL were time fuse. Proxy fuse beehive shells is a helluva nightmare.
I wonder how much this comment section would be cut down if people actually read the synopsis of the anime to understand what is actually going on and why the destroyers aren't just blasting the Musashi to death.
Since 99% of the comments argue that a Yamato class can’t survive attacks from a modern destroyer, the simple reason is why this is not the case in this anime: *Warning: Spoilers* An virus outbreak that turns people rabid infects the school’s ships. The Musashi’s crew got infected because of this and only a few survivors hid away in corners. That’s why the destroyers actions in this are just unrealistic. They didn’t want to sink the ship full of civilian students just because of some virus.
While some actions taken by the destroyers were questionably dumb, at least there's a reason why the destroyers don't just outright sink the Musashi, in context, the crews of Musashi were mind-controlled and held as hostage so they can't really endanger them by firing fatal ammunitions at the ship.
The rats aren't supposed to be on deck, they're the source of trouble- they're an ET/FC's worst nightmare since they radiate an RF that fucks up electronics bad and cause Zombie infections. The Battleships are trainers, and in this AU, WWII never happened-- at least as far as Japan is concerned. I think a Nazi victory in Europe might have, given the presence of the Spee, and the lack of "things that stop WWII in Europe" and the presence of "things that keep America from waking up and hulk smashing".
Most modern torpedos don't go for direct strikes. They get maneuvered under its target where the following detonation would have crippled the hull, basically like hitting a spine with a baseball bat.
Here, let's end the modern destroyers vs battleships argument, most modern destroyers have VLS (vertical launch system) missiles, and most of the missiles can be equipped with a tactical nuclear warhead if needed, and no matter how well constructed your battleship is, it's not going to withstand more than like 2-3 of these, don't believe me, first, just google if Tomahawk Cruise Missiles can be equipped with nuclear warheads, then look up Operation Crossroads, problem solved, and if you try to argue that nuclear weapons aren't allowed because they're too powerful and blah blah blah, then the battleship's guns shouldn't be allowed, because that's stripping both ships of their most powerful armament, and making it far, if not, then people need to realize that just because modern weapons have less explosive charge in them, doesn't mean they have less power, a modern tank engine uses less fuel than a WWII tank engine to run at max speed, that doesn't mean that the modern engine is weaker, it just means we have gotten better at using the explosive energy that we get from the fuel for running the engine. And in addition, most modern torpedoes are actually pretty close to WWII torpedoes, it's just that there was a small group of WWII torpedoes that were absolutely massive, such as the Type 97 Model 3, but again, even those are nothing compared to modern weapons that aren't torpedoes, which is not the main weapon of modern destroyers, those would be the missiles, and while a single missile isn't much, a swarm of them, from tens of kilometers outside of the battleship's gun range, or even scouting range, is more than enough to cripple, or even sink a warship such as the mighty Yamato class. But let's continue to add to the modern side, because everyone here probably knows all about the WWII ships, I want you to think about this, how thick was the keel of these old warships, usually not thick right? did you know that modern torpedoes are made in a way so that target and are guided to the keel of a ship before exploding to maximize damage? and seeing as most modern torpedoes are actually pretty strong, most having an explosives charge equivalent to about 544 kg of TNT according to declassified information, which the average naval torpedoes had about 350 kg - 600 kg if we through out the outliers, such as the type 97 model 3 with it's 858 kg payload. Next, Let's talk about range finding and targeting, which I can say, without a doubt, a modern ship wins with it's sophisticated radar array and computer suite, while most battleships, excluding the later war American Battleships, had no Radar, or if they did, it wasn't usually a good one, the Yamato-Class did have Radar, but it wasn't able to be used for fire control, and could see surface vessels, at maximum, up to 20 km away, and that's if the conditions are perfect, and seeing as we're putting modern destroyers up against this ship, you can believe that they will easily be able to jam the Radar of the Yamato-Class with pretty standard military equipment. Lastly, seeing as we've been able to decide that both in terms of firepower, and targeting, as well as locating the enemy, the Yamato or Musashi are both outclassed in so many ways, Speed, Armor and maneuverability, we already know that in terms of speed and maneuverability the battleship is outclassed by the destroyer simply because of size, and power to weight ratio, but armor is a place that you probably would immediately thing the battleship wins, right? Well, here's the fun part, You ever heard of the CIWS, yeah, the death wall-e that seems to want to shoot everything it sees, well, in theory, those could help protect the destroyer if it ever decided to be suicidal and get in the Battleship's gun range against High Explosive shells, which is what that battleship would want to use against a destroyer, due to the fact that even if the shell misses, the explosion and shrapnel could possibly damage the target, and if an Armor Piercing round hit the ship, there's a high likelihood of the shell passing through the ship and not causing as much damage as it would, to, say another larger ship, in terms of physical armor though, the battleship would win by default, with the Yamato class having a 7in deck, up to 18in armor belt, 20in turret face, unfortunately, this cannot be said about her fairly weak torpedo belt, which was not very well made to begin with, but it was also overstressed due to how wide the ship was, which is part of why the ship flooded as heavily as it did when it was struck, which does again fall in line with the warship design mentality of the Japanese, which was that the ship was more focused on offensive power, and defense can secondary, the ability to repair was the last thing that they thought of when designing their ships (See Akagi, Kaga, Sōryū and Hiryū), So, in the end, the modern destroyer far outmatches the battleship in almost every way, and if they had used actual modern weaponry, and not training weaponry, not only would they have probably crippled the ship, but sunk it in more pieces than the originals sunk in, and that's if they used conventional weapons and not nuclear. Thank you for reading this, and if you do disagree with me, I recommend you, instead of commenting immediately that I'm wrong and then not backing your reasoning up, you do research into modern weapons, WWII weapons, and the Yamato-Class themselves, or any other battleship you want to use because unfortunately, there's a reason that all navies, have stopped using the battleship for good, and no, the Russian Battlecruiser doesn't count, that's a completely different class of ship from a battleship, even if the both have battle in the name, they're far different from each other, plus Russians can't keep their naval ships running at full capacity for more than one day a year unless its a frigate.
Let’s be honest, in real life they would hit with one torpedo or 1-3 anti ship missiles at a range where the musashi wouldn’t even have seen them and sunk
I also would like to watch these high school girls get shredded by anti ship cannons, also in this day and age a single plane would have obliterated them
That's if its in a reality and in a war situation. In this scene, the instrutors were trying to locate and save the missing students and ship. They wouldn't want to hold accountable for their students' death so in this scene maybe they're using dummy torpedo or torpedoes that only cause minimal damage. But who knows? The best thing we can assume is plot armor is everything in a story.
@@rubina6327 as long as no one died in the anime I would have no problems with the plot, but if they actually killed people in the battleship they should have been blown up
I'm no military expert, but a direct hit from a Yamato class Super Batleship at a thin skinned destroyer should have torn it apart. APHE type of shells woulda done it. They might survive AP, but those rounds are huge. Another thing is, a round hitting the surface of the water, would have created shrapnel fast enough to penetrate a destroyer's hull (I assume). Yamato-class Armament 9 × 46 cm Type 94 guns (3x3) 12 × 15.5 cm 3rd Year Type guns (4x3) 12 × 127 mm Type 89 (6x2) 24 × 25 mm Type 96 AA guns (8x3) 4 × 13.2 mm Type 93 (2x2) I know this is just an anime, but I was always interested in military engineering and like to analyze military scenarios I see in movies, cartoons and anime. So, if anyone wants to contribute their thoughts about what should have or would have happened in such a naval engagement, I'm curious. Oh, another thing, the Musashi in this show would have lost in the very same way as the Bismarck or Tirpitz (I forget), outmaneuvered by destroyers and overwhelmed with torpedoes. Probably quicker if they effectively utilized their missiles to strike from above and at the command bridge. Computer-assisted targeting too.
Normally, they wouldn't even approach it... But this is a situation where in they approached it because it is a school ship and they are supposed to be escorting it.
A "school ship". So those are meant to be soliders in training on it? You know what happens in real life if a ship suddenly starts firing on you and stops answering your call? It gets sunk.
I love the logic of anime some times like when a turret (Musashi main battery)that is the same weight of a average American WW2 destroyer aka the fletcher class can just turn faster then someone running 1 feet and how the modern ships never heard of cruise missiles
+Zhao Zhao and utterly incompetent. Like seriously back the fuck off, missles have much greater range than battleship guns. And even at that range the five inch guns of those destroyers(similar to arliegh burkes) should be able to shred command and control, and remove all fire control directors. If you wanted the crew unharmed just use the guns to remove fire directors and to damage the gun batteries.
Also, modern torpedoes don't hit the side (aka heavily armored area a ship), they detonate under the keel and break the ships back. One MK.48 would probably cripple the Musashi.
Training ammunitions? Dude, it’s a Yamato-class battleship. That armor is 4 inches thicker than Iowa. If more than 1 torpedos couldn’t take the Yamato down, what makes you think a bunch of training ammunitions could punch a hole?
@@wongwang7475 Even a few anti armor wouldn't be enough. Remember, Yamato has a catacomb of compartments. And since she and Musashi are sisters, it's likely that Musashi has the same catacoms of compartments as her sister.
There is no reason why we should be surprised that a ww2 japanese battleship operated by japanese high-school girls are able to destroy a fleet of modern warships in a amine.
Actually very not true, modern weapons aim deal with modern ships. Modern ships are made out of plastic and tinfoil. Having smaller missiles allows them to be cheaper and allows you to carry more of them, so basically no one carries anti-BB equipment because there can be no possible need to it.
Heres an idea: mechanize the battleships and give them better ammunition with longer range and and thicker and more durable armor then mount evry single type of modern missile launchers on it as possible + torpedoes and long range radar+sonar
Watching this without the context of the series. Its not really good. A modern destroyer could eat a 2. WW battleship for breakfast. Modern torpedoes don't act like those at all. The explode under the ship and break its back. A modern Destroyer is also a lot faster and more manoeuvrable and with the old targeting systems (mainly manuell ones) very hard to hit. The weapon capabilities of Modern battleships are also a lot more dangerous than what WW 2 ships could bring to bear. One modern anti ship missile is neither stoppable by this ship and would "fuck it up" badly. There is a reason big battleships are not used anymore.
TheExplodingChipmunk take modern tech. Make a super dred with everything. With hmm idk 1000mm armor that should withstand a bit don’t you think And how about 30” guns mounted on quad turrets 5 turrets in front and 3 I’m back with 8 25 round salvo missiles will do it don’t you think? (Btw this is all a joke)
Realizing that it is a joke, all the tech in the world couldn't save the Iowa from mothballs. A single modern fighter can put out more than a single broadside of a battleship. In the end it is a lot easier to build a new fighter than building a new battleship.
Jeah. And one cruise missile with a anti ship load out is also enough to effectively eliminate a battleship like the Iowa. And a modern missile carrier has a lot of them. All in all most of the old tech used in ww2 and the vietnam/korea wars pales in comparison to modern tech. Nowdays you can eliminate an enemy stronghold with an accurate rocket strike from a drone without your enemies ever realising something is up until the rocket hits.
@@theexchipmunk You do know that the old analogic targeting computer on board of the Iowa class hasn't been outclassed by any modern targeting computer when it comes to main battery fire control right ?
@@Akredi Maybe because as said, there is no need for better sea artillery? Modern targeting systems for sea warfare centre around long range rockets and missiles. There are no big batteries on ships anymore and the guns that are used will rarely fire further than a mile. Its not hard to not be outclassed when no-one seriously competes with you.
Lol I'm a bit late for the party(3 years late) but I wanted to clarify something, while trying to not spoil things. The highschool girls in the Musashi were under the control of a virus, so they became very aggressive and attacked the destroyers. Also, the shot of the girls in a bridge is not the same ship.
@@sunfyre3463 Fury was Allies Biased, that Tiger would have stayed stationary and shot "Fury" first because most German tankers were told to take out the big guns first and the tank leading the line.
Hmmmm, well I don't know what I was expecting ... But lets just say the destoryers managed to somehow escape the battleship or crippled it to the point it cannot fight back (which is next to impossible without actually destroying it, they are quite robust) what do you think the military would do when they learn that there is a mind altering plague onboard? Board the ship and attempt to rescue the trainees? ... *fuck* *no* they would bomb that thing to the bottom of the ocean without a second thought. Then stick the crews of the destroyers into quarantine until they are sure they will not suffer the same fate. God forbid it begins to spread, believe it or not the military (the US at the very least) has protocols to combat mind altering viruses (including ones that act like the flood from halo) as well as zombies, vampires, and pretty much all other common fictional enemies or disasters, including dragons. No I am not kidding, look it up, we have warehouses full of shotgun shells filled with wooden shrapnel and tiny silver pellets, I am dead fucking serious.
@@GravitasZero Considering theres a conplan 8888 which is about zombies im kinda glad the government (at least the US government) had this mentality in mind.
I love the premise of "Hey, some high school girls with big ass ships are going AWOL because of the Rage Virus transmitted via rodents on-board. Good luck!"
If we speak logically, a modern destroyer can easily destroy a naval battleship from World War II. Better radar, better detection, denser firepower, ballistic guided missiles, torpedoes, all contained in one modern destroyer.
There is no such thing as anything modern that will be superior to the old ones, today's destroyers are not for war, they are AIR DEFENSE AND PROTECTION SHIPS.
I like how mad fucking historically accurate freaks are in the comments. Like what do expect from fiction??? just another case of people can't distinguish reality from fiction.
If the Musashi had a direct hit once the destroyers would not be afloat, however if the destroyers actually tried to fight for real the Musashi wouldn’t even have had the chance to fire twice.
@@kyledavidgalan9908 Finally someone who actually notices this detail, instead of all the armchair admirals that conveniently ignore HSF Musashi's upgrades.
Thing about vintage ships like the Yamato or the USS iowa, they are like a floating fortress with tons of guns to defend them, they lack a accurate range of guns because it takes a skill to operate such a large beast, windspeed and humidity is a problem back then. But a score hit with these ships will destroy you instantly. Modern ships often use long ranged ballistic missiles as their main weapon of choice. They are not built to withstand a 403mm shell, they are built for long ranged bombardment.
Hexa Dex no they are built to be fast, versatile, and cheap. Bruh, its 2018. Nobody actually uses ships anymore, get with the program. Aircraft rule the sea. Also harpoon missles are very powerful.
xx awesomexx Nah dude ships hella still have a place. Without escorts how the fuck a carrier gonna stop ballistic missiles and attack subs and shit, and to help protect against Ashms? The enemy needs ships to kill those escorts so they can get at the carriers, so they can get at the supply lines. Plus DDs keep the sea lanes and convoys from being helpless against subs and shit.
They don't even use ballistic missiles in ship to ship anymore. The main choice for big targets is a cruise missile that either targets the bridge or carries a torpedo that brakes the keel.
USS Iowa is more fearsome for them. Because she had good Radar and FCS. But thinking about Yamato and Musashi is... NOT. Just deploy Smoke around them, they would be DISABLED. so easy.
with how many shells the Musashi had fired on 'Friendly vessels' I cannot say I would have made the same decisions as the captain of that destroyer, with a vessel of that magnitude bearing down on vessels that couldn't take a hit from a secondary, much less a main caliber gun, I would have ordered the fleet to fire everything they had, if it takes a 75MM OTO shell to knock some sense into the students, so be it, its that or get flattened by an 18 inch shell.
127mm vulcano guided shell towards the bridge, I ain't putting my men at risk because some girls had teenage issues. Once fired by it is hostile unless higher ups says otherwise.
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If Musashi’s main batteries had this fast turn it would have been the most powerful Warship to be ever made
It's almost like something the size of a dam Destroyer turning on a dime.
Not really, it'd be deadly but it'll be vulnerable from like cruise missiles
@@yashiorist3642 well cruise missiles didn't exist during the 1930s-40s you know.
@@randominternetguy88 ballistic missiles existed
And aerial rockets
@@PrivateMcPrivate yeah but they were not that accurate, they were used more like long range artillery it would next to impossible to hit a moving ship with those
This anime is basically: "Let's give these high school girls WW2 era military warships, what could possibly go wrong?"
*unknown Virus that makes people go on a rampage want to know your location*
idk man , but I was really hoping for those destroyers to just shoot the bridge of the musashi.
GhostArmy1 Speaking of Virus...
@@RuminatingKiwi927 yeah whats the point of trying when they're trying to kill you by the looks of the modern ships they have full auto 76mm round and missiles they could easily disable and decimate the ship that would be fun to watch
@@yuritarted984 or if they don't want to risk killing the goddamn students. I believe they can send a guided missile or something to disable the main guns or perhaps the secondary too, whilst also disabling the engine or rudder by hitting the stern. Therefore the ship is disarmed with only some damages.
The actual history of Musashi and Yamato demonstrated that neither of these sister battleships could survive multiple torpedo hits on the same side. A single modern Arleigh Burke-class destroyer could make short work of any World War II-era battleship without ever coming within range of the battleship's main guns. A half dozen modern torpedoes in one side of the big ships would be enough to capsize and sink them, and that's before we even begin to discuss the impact of the various modern-day ship-to-ship missiles. A one-on-one battle between an unescorted Musashi and a single Arleigh Burke would be over in about 20 minutes, all fought beyond visual range, and the Musashi would never get to fire her guns.
Bro ofc if u give a few high school girls a fucking battleship this is what they would do, also the modern destroyers could EASILY CLAP the ww2 battleships
This is inaccurate if the destroyers would send a barrage of torpedoes the mushashi would ofc sink
Exactly what I was thinking.
well these ASROC anti-sub torpedo in this vid only have about 50kg warhead, enough for a sub but can't even pass the torpedo bulkhead of Musashi. WWII era aerial torpedo has 200~300kg TNT warhead, in contrary. Modern destroyers do not carry WWII size(21in/24in) anti-ship torpedo, but only keep 6~8 324mm torpedo tubes for sub hunting.
didn't they say it was training torpedos
For those who think that Musashi's armor could hold up to modern anti ship missiles. This may be case if the ship was struck by a single missile but considering how much explosives these missiles carry in their warheads and the sheer force that they impact their targets with, Musashi's armor wouldn't survive repeated hits.
And that is not taking into account the fact that the ship would be constantly on fire with the crew unable to control it due to them being constantly bombarded by missiles.
Well if the reinforments know were the target is they could have struck it with an anti ship missile from a distance musashi couldent hit from and it takes some to reload those guns it shouldn't be that fast
Dozens of Ships as heavily armored as her were sunk dozens of times by less than that.
Not to mention that the first salvo of torpedoes, if exploding under her bow, would be more than enough to sink her
Modern warheads on modern day ships could punch through the Musashi's armor like it's made of paper.
I think you fail to understand that yamato can withstand a full salvo from its own shells, conaidering just how much explosive power is in a single shell you cant even begin to compare it to an ASM or ASROC. even if a battlegroup saturates a yamato class with missiles the yamato would survive it, even with heavy superficial damage.
taking into context that this is a student ship, those instructor ships should never saturate a ship like that with missiles just because it dramatically increases the chance of injuring or killing the students
what they should do is a surgical strike on the yamato's propellers (not the boiler room because that could cause an overpressure explosion which could detonate the magazine rooms) or destroy the main smoke stack/funnel to choke the engines into stalling.
Oh no, a ship is firing at us!
Captain: quick, tell me what's going on!
Sailor : Ship on the horizon
It should be "Report the damage" or something similar, i guess it's a translation error
It's more like : "why are they shooting at us? they are on our side. what is going on on that ship?" those are the intentions behind his question
@@craidsaber5986 Haha trolling other players
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As a Navy veteran, I find myself scratching my head. Vertical launched torpedoes a-la ASROC? Followed by the torpedoes not going under and displacing the keel but striking the belt? Huh?
Shit, I am still in and I find the complete lack of military bearing appalling.
My fellow veteran, this is anime and there has never been logic in anime for decades
@@ultralaggerREV1 And that kinda became cliche and uneventful at this point
Thats what your wondering about?! So you think its normal that a fliping giant warship was given to japanse school girls that somehow magicly know how to operate it
@@ultralaggerREV1 and because of this all of military anime is shit.
Sees the modern ships going toe to toe with Battleship. "Awe Hell Yeah" Sees School girls in school uniform. "Wait...... what the fack?!"
me too
In reality there would not even be a toe to toe. The modern ships would simple kill that Battleship dead before it even realised they were there.
Yea the torpedoes would have exploded under the ship breaking the Musashi in half
Because the trops are simulation. So couldn't do any damage. lol
TheExplodingChipmunk uh no not at this range here Musashi has literally every advantage over modern crap!
Since there is plenty of discussion in the comments, here is how this match would play out in an open combat situation:
1. Modern missile destroyers (DDG) could obviously way outrange a WW2 battleship (BB). A destroyer loadout features missiles with ranges from over 100 km (anti-ship missiles like Harpoon) to over 1000 km (cruise missiles like Tomahawk), whereas a BB could fire around 40 km while the horizon would appear at around 25 km.
2. Even within visual range, battleships were often quite inaccurate and needed many minutes to hours to score hits at longer ranges. A DDG in contrast can fire dozens of missiles within minutes.
3. While it's true that modern anti-ship missiles could not penetrate the citadel of a heavy battleship like Musashi, it doesn't need to either. The Bismarck for example was completely incapacitated due to the destruction of its fire directors and command bridge long before it actually sank. It landed no direct hits in an engagement that lasted over an hour at ranges from 23 km to just 3 km in the end.
So in short: The DDG would fire a solid salvo of anti-ship missile against the battleship, the battleship would lose its fire directors, control, crew quarters etc. The rest of the crew would likely evacuate because they're now sitting in a practically uncontrolled hulk engulfed in an inferno, with no options to retaliate. But even if they could sit it out, they would have little to no combat value and eventually starve.
For context on the fire: A British DDG was lost to a single Excocet hit at Falklands even though it failed to detonate. The accuracy of the hit and depth of penetration carried it deep inside the ship, so the missile fuel plus burnable materials on the ship alone were enough to destroy it. Massive fire damage has been observed repeatedly. A full salvo against a big target like this would undoubtedly create pandemonium.
and for added context in the video they where trying to disable the ship without wiping out the people on board they where brainwashed and thats easier said then done even IRL its actually harder IRL as if you do succeed in disabling it they will most likely scuttle it to keep it out of enemy hands.
Even in a gun to gun battle, the modern destroyers will most likely have the upper hand, sure the 127mm might lack in punch against the Musashi's 460mm guns, but it has sat-nav computer and/or aerial gun aiming, where as the Musashi can only aim their guns manually using range finders and estimations. The 127/54 is also capable of spewing 40 rounds per minute, and there where 8 of them, a total of 320 rounds per minute.
The outcome might be like this (considering if its a head on combat and not a rogue student like in this video), the musashi salvoed the destroyer first, high chance of missing. The on board comps calculates the range of the musashi from the destroyer and the gun immediately moves, and spews a round of 127mm shell precisely into the deck of the musashi. By the time the battleship reloads, changed aim and sends another salvo, the 127mm gun already dumped 4-5 rounds already, crippling the battleship in major points.
Many people seem to forget why battleships are phased out, mostly because how dangerously effective and steadfast cruisers and destroyers have become.
Finally, someone agree that the amount of armour Battleships has doesn't automatically means it is impervious to Anti-Ship Missiles
Many Battleship entheusiest claim that Battleships would reign supreme in the Modern World due to it's armour able to handle Anti-Ships missiles and won't sink, but its not always about sinking a Ship, it's about dealing critical damage to it's vital components, infrastructure, communication equipment, enginers and so much more, sure the Battleship may not sink but a few Harpoons is just enough to deal enough damage to disable it, effectively a mission kill
@@then00brathalos I thought that the 127/54 gets 20 rounds per minute, not 40.
It's no surprise the missile destroyer ate shit to a dud, modern warships are made out of paper because armour just isn't effective enough to be worth it, a fucking battle tank could probably cripple a destroyer if it ever got the chance to shoot at one.
This isn't me saying battleships are good bare in mind, just that missile destroyers getting bullied isn't surprising.
For you that know know, high school fleet is based in the future where the icecaps have melted, most of the land is now underwater and the navies are the way of warfare and trade. Schools have been made in every nation to train high school students that attend these academies will be future sailors. they train using old ships, and the ones with the worse entrance grades get some of the worse ships. in the anime they also encounter a german girl where something went on with her school too.
I know the explanation is just an excuse to have cool ships from the past commanded by lolis but the explanation makes so little sense it hurts my brain. Why do students learn using extremely obsolete tech. It's like attending a medical university to become a doctor but they don't teach you any information that isn't at least a 100 years old
@@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 actually ive been to college and got 3 degrees in a tech field, we learned some outdated methods that arent really used anymore. in the case of those show, its basically a boarding school and the tech is the same thing that happens even in our military. "we cant use this on the front lines anymore but lets use it for training". in this case of those show its "hey we have military schools that need hardware so lets give it to them" those schools also have to buy that equipment, i served in 5 helicopter units, the government doesnt give military units anything, you use budgets to buy those. my first unit in 2005 was flying UH-1H left over from Vietnam. 1 of my Apache units mechanics constantly damaged rotor blades, those are 100k ea. a mechanic left bolts loose in a engine followed by dropping the replacement engine into the ground from a forklift that cost 600k an engine. In the US military its not uncommon that training ships have been much older ships than what you'd be assigned to. those ships were want the japanese government had on hand and went "we can sell you these for training" once those classes graduated theyd be assigned to current fleets with much newer ships. Its all about money, and besides anime love using their old ww2 ships, ww1 and 2 vehicles were awesome for their time and they live on as legends.
@@stalwartteakettlepotato9879 it makes a lot of sense what are they gonna do let them use a brand new multi million dollar war ship? do you buy a brand new car like a LC300 then let your kid learn to drive in that or are you gonna get the old Hilux thats sitting out the back and teach them to drive in that.
Was that girl an Ex arts student?
(gets a floating piece of museum that has manual AA from ww2, no computers and built with "all big gun" and ship to ship salvo tactics in mind)
She must have failed every possible subject right ?
And before the people spring in to tell me the "musashi is the most powerful battleship back in the day" yes back in the day, back when mach 1 was unimaginable but now mach 3.5 is reached and fighters typically move at mach 1+ when attacking.
Fun fact: This is the early design of the Yamato class ship. Yamato and Musashi had 4 turrets with 3 155mm (6.1 inch) guns each for a total of 12. Later on, they both had the port and starboard 6 inch gun turrets removed in favor of the more iconic anti-aircraft gun platfotms that had 3 pairs of 5 inch anti-aircraft guns.
Actually only Yamato ever had that done, Musashi remained with the secondaries and was sunk beforehand the favorable refit
@@sheepbow909 And anyways, there’s actually a really funny in-universe reason for not having a proper anti-aircraft battery, and that is because planes don’t exist in this universe, which is a fact that exists solely to justify how they keep misplacing ships.
Because the logical response to “hey this destroyer full of actual children hasn’t checked in for three days we don’t know where it is” is “all right send up scout planes and run a search pattern across its most recently reported quadrant in the same heading as it was taking” and while you can do that with blimps and airships, which they do have, those are both slower than planes and that’s gonna be more easily avoided.
@@comandantegorrion7271 So they developed ballistic missiles that become torpedoes but not le funny metal bird. And did they develop satellites tho ?
@@sheepbow909
For all the good it did her. Japanese AA was notoriously ineffective. But Yamato had a ton of it.
@@Hans_Panzerschreck Correct on all counts and it is at least implied that they have satellites because there are cell phones.
I think the best way to approach this is to directly board that battleship with multiple sailors on multiple fast moving raft/boats. Then they can immediately find those students and -beat them to death- see what's actually going on.
that's... actually... what they did later.
lol
@@brandondaway1 got a clip for that...?
@@danentakoto2701 I do not. your just going to have to find the episode and watch that part if you want to see it. I could clip it and upload it myself but I'm to lazy sorry.
@@brandondaway1 no problem. How hard can finding this Anime be?
If the destroyers were acting for real, they would've demolished the musashi with like 2-3 destroyers
Yeah that's why there's no country that use battleship now cuz it's expensive and pretty useless
@Miles Jeter yeah just use a destroyer lol
Yea
@Miles Jeter yes but ww2 gun are not. Accurate at all compared to modern gun who can use subcaliber round to pierce the armor of battleship at this short range and destroy critical component like the bridge the turret ring , range finder etc...
@@intselec2184 yeah those five inch guns which can shoot around 2 rounds a second will devastate any exposed radar and optical rangefinders/command and control/fire control on battleships and missiles will maul big ships to death.
AShMs are devastating
if the turret of the musashi would turn that fast: RIP all ship types
Modern jet fighters: Hold my rockets and my 30mm bronze candy
And fact that almost all of the system on Musashi was automated, it only need about 30-50 people to man it
USS Ford: hold my F-15s
LordRain all the more reason to completely destroy it and leave it with no survivors.
USS Missouri in Battleship (2012): my turn
In a more realistic scenario, the DDGs will simply outrange the Musashi with Harpoons.
Also it seems like they didn't even bother with CIWS or Sea Sparrows
Callsign-YukiMizuki really? because I see this has how modern warships armaments got nothing against ships from WWII.
When you compare both ERAs cannon for cannons, then WW2 simply outguns modern. However, modern ships don't fight with cannons. Instead, they're pretty much back ups as they fight with missiles/aircraft instead.
While missiles won't have the raw killing fire that Battleship cannons have, missiles will be much more efficient at killing ships as they would be able to hit them accurately, consistently and from ranges outside WW2 naval guns.
Besides, modern ships can carry nukes. Your typical DDG (Arleigh Burke for example) can carry BGM-109s and said missiles can have nuclear warheads, so theoretically these Destroyers should be able to launch nukes.
The show demonstrated a very poor example of how to deal with the Musashi. Not only did their incompetence employ bad tactics and strategy, but they are not even prepared or equipped to handle the situation.
When the USA reactivated the Iowa class in the 80's it's armour was considered impenetrable by anti ship missiles of the day and the Musashi has thicker armour than the Iowa class.
the soviets antiship missiles were capable all right.. google up what the AS4 kitchen was
true but they wern't expecting it so musashi got the initative
If I had a dollar for every armchair historian-esque comment in this video, I'd crash the global economy
That's a damn good quote. I'll probably use that someday....like in person with someone, not another RUclips comment.....Well I might, but more like I'd forget about where I heard it and just say "fuck it, it's free real-estate."
That would be 2k dollars
you'd be a millionare
Same
Nonetheless id rather have those annoying armchair historians than these silly anime fans trying to lessen the arguments of literal navy vets and ship nerds
Musashi: *is ww2 ship moving in present and already sunked*
Modern navy: *this is normal*
I'm pretty sure ww2 didn't happen in this timeline so the musashi survived
That confuses me a lot. A waste of resources if it is just for training of little girls. Also why the fuck would they have *little* girls prob only 8 control an entire battleship!?!?!??! I am so confused rn
@@bababdu7195 you need the series first to get a grip, just ep 1 can get the picture
Sidenote the ship in the anime is not the Musashi its the Yamato
@@grapieboi7279 nope Yamato has Blue striping, Musashi is Red
Why? WHY? *WHY DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE LITTLE GIRLS??!!*
There's likely a huge mass of squid swimming around the ship just in case they have to abandon ship. It's Japan. It isn't a matter of if but when.
Oh god why.....
I loath the fact that this comment is situationally appropriate.
Blame the nukes that US hit Japan with...They did something to Japan.
On a more serious note...Japan's population is on a decline even if their companies and government increase one pays and/or reward money for having children...
That is the situation...So...
I don't know what to make of what I said, honestly.
Amethyst Blade But Japan is the one who started, um i mean they just bombed the innocent pearl harbor together with the sleeping/unprepared mens so... well deserved? maybe?
America should of puppet them
0:42 Quickest turning battleship turrets in the world...
6 inch secondary guns, they turn a lot faster.
@@warhistory1895 we're talking about 18-inch gun weighed more than 140 tonnes, rotate at 40 degree per se, yes, your pew pew 6-inch gun might be faster than that, but it will obliterated in a matter of time if that rotate traverse of Musashi existed
That ship had so much plot armor that it was unsinkable!
Yes....💀
I think many people overlooked the things background, since the video doesn't show it:
There's these weird mind-controlling mice making the students aggressive to anything around them. Most people other than the crew of that WW2 DD showed up in the end of the video *did not knew this.
The DDGs perceived the Battleship was friendly but the latter one is infested with said mice and open-fired on them, Aircraft carrier is not introduced in the whole season since it would be hecking op, plus the writer is probably "Cannon fans" so they purged aircraft from the show-thus no TBD gaming.
The reason why they didn't just blew the superstructure, or make it ammorack, break it in half is that would basically means hundreds of school kids will be dead(even thou noone actually died in the show, so I would assume shooting the superstructure wont do jack), the reluctant of DDGs captain basically shows this so they went for mission-kill, failing miserably because plot, too-small of a torpedo and mice messing with electronic
funny that the actual context for the video got no comment and barely managed to be pushed up the list
while all the funny discussions about how a 1000kg-warhead-anti-ship-missile would blow up the superstructure hogged up all the attentions
I have no idea whats goin on. I watch this show but its has no impact like girls un panzer. Thnks for the context .
Musashi : *exists*
Modern destroyers : ah shit,here we go again.
The ship in the anime is not the Musashi its the Yamato
Idk dude, if this are American destroyer, the tomahawk missile will rain down that outdated ship
In neo warfare x my musashi got sunk by an missile spammer :/
@@grapieboi7279 you are the wrong here. Yamato appeared in the first chapter and is with blue lines. The red one is her sister Musashi, the Yamato was in port when this battle happened.
@@enstarfanensemble1092 And at the film, the Yamato appears with green stripe, am i right?
Modern torpedos don’t detonate on the side of the hull, they detonate under the hull so it can break the keel therefore breaking the ship apart.
I mean modern ASuW torpedoes would do that but the role of the torpedo hasn't been primarily ASuW for half a century
They didn't because their training torpedoes, plus if they sunk the ship the destroyer captain and crew would be court martialed due to killing students.
@@kyledavidgalan9908 court martialed for self-defense? Its fire back or die, by the looks of it.
Shitty writers didnt research for this anime. Clearly a F grade mark
The level of plot armor is beyond insane 💀 A modern destroyer would sink a WW2 era ship without the enemy even knowing of the ship’s location.
Fr I hate it when anime girls get random plot armor I want to see them get ripped to shreds by an anti-ship missile
And to think, Her sister ship flew across the universe, wrecked Gamilan fleets, and saved Earth
Uchuu senkan YAAAMAAAATOOO!
I was hoping for a badass battle between the ships but then I saw the little girls
I threw my phone
I hope it broke
He Said *YEET!!!*
Almost threw my phone too....how dumb those school girls can be?
Little Anime Girls Gaved Me The Creeps! 😨😷
Imagine being in a Sabaton music video
imperial japenese navy: HEY THATS MY SHIP AND ONLY BOYS ARE ALLOWED TO DRIVE SHIPS
They're conscripts
Man, teenages playing on warfare weapons again?
Rocky Ugsod it’s basically the naval version of
Girls Und Panzer
@@jblumanog4291 lol so true
It's not weird that girls like to play WoT and WoWs now, ain't it?
Finn Murtons except that these are REAL war machines not videogames.
High school Fleet.
Fun fact: The Yamato-classes in this anime are all pre-retrofit Yamato-classes. You can tell because they still have those secondaries on the sides of the ships. In real life, these secondaries were removed in favour of more AA guns. In the anime, I can understand why they're pre-retrofit. This anime universe has no heavier than air aviation, in other words their aviation is airships and (somehow) rocket and missile technology. They skipped an entire development phase. Also in this universe, the Shinano got completed as a battleship (because aircraft aren't a thing apparently so no Yamato-class aircraft carriers) and the other 2 planned Yamato-classes (there were supposed to be 5) were completed.
Also, one thing I still find extremely funny is that to lower the manpower (or in this case woman power) needed, all the primary and secondary batteries have been fitted with autoloaders. Can you imagine how terrifying an autoloaded 18.1-inch gun must be. Also, the turret rotations speed has obviously been boosted.
first mate: Sir they've fired on us.
Me, having replaced the incompetent fleet commander: Launch a salvo of cruise missiles.
First mate: But sir there are student's aboard.
Me: Well they should have remembered we have a wonderful assortment of very deadly anti-ship cruise missiles and the Mark 45 weapon system before doing that shouldn't they. Speaking of which, all ships concentrate fire on the command tower. Wait for my order to fire.
And then I'd give them the opportunity to surrender. If refused I'd give the order to open fire.
Jasper Rodriguez It's good to see people who notice the incompetence of that fleet commander. They had like 11 destroyers Vs one battleship. It's an easy win.
Jasper Rodriguez it must be hard being stupid. The ship and the students are apparently worth more than all those ships and all the other sailors' lives. They are also brainwashed by something, hence why he was trying to just disable the ship instead of sinking that shit
Jasper Rodriguez "the reasonable option"
1 Exocet or harpoon would ruin that battleships day
I would've had missiles launching the second I seen a turret begin to turn.
Just to add to all the people correctly pointing out how badly modern destroyers would utterly demolish this battleship, remember the destroyers have all the time in the world.
The battleship is never catching them and support would be on the way, all the while the superstructure is being slammed by antiship missiles.
The destroyers would not only be capable of sinking a WWII battleship, they would be able to do so with utter impunity.
It's a bit like a grizzly bear vs a team of Navy Seals. Sure, it would get ugly one on one at close range with no warning there's a bear about to chomp but in any other scenario Yogi isn't going to get within claw range and certainly won't get to walk away.
"all the while the superstructure is being slammed by antiship missiles." You mean, all the while the anti-ship missiles are being returned to sender by the Totalitarian Hive?
@@johnassal5838 Folks like me aren't discussing the lore in whatever this is, we are talking about why the bigger "better" battleships of WWII disappeared.
@@michaelwoods2672 I'm guessing you meant to reply to the other guy. I don't know what he's talking about either.
Honestly, it would be pretty hard for modern anti-ship missiles to sink the Musashi, because they just aren't made to sink extremely armored ships like that, and modern destroyers don't carry very big torpedoes. You'd need an attack submarine, like the Soryu, to actually sink it.
Mushashi *gets hit by multiple torpedoes *
Not a single fuck given.
they havent referred to world of warships
Foxy fox training rounds
Real modern torpedoes would have simply broken the keel and sunk it in short order.
“Let’s remind those girls that though they have a bigger ship, compare to our arsenal they are nothing but a floating punching bag.”
“All weapons, fire at will.”
US Navy: Yep, Hold my USS Gerald R Ford.
USS Iowa Class: Hold my 16 inch guns
That's basically impossible to sink with most of the weapons carried on a destroyer
@@HazmatUnit Isn't they have time to request backups With live rounds? At least 4-5 Tomahawk?
@@dolfi2008 what?
This is why you don't give a damn battleship to 14-18 Year olds...
Watch anime before commenting...
@@munetanimashiro8375 yeah let’s try in reality, cause we live in real life, not in anime, and definitely, if I gave a 14 yr old a battleship from ww2, I’m already expecting a puzzled face, and not to mention the same would be with some anime 14 yr old, but you know “14 yr OlD aNiMe GiRlS cOuLd DeStRoY tHe WoRlD wITh A wW2 battleship” like you tell me, it doesn’t make sense, why do they even go to school if they already know how to operate something as complex as a battleship, cause apart from steering the ship, you have to check, different things and maintain the engine, I don’t think a 14 yr old even knows how to manage fuel…..let alone some hydraulics and cannon loading of guns the size of a 1 story building
@@tupolev.designs The ship is highly automated though, making it easier for the 14 year old girl to use it, still does not explain how they know how to maintain it but I assume they got instructors with them.
@@kyledavidgalan9908 true, plus it's automated so how do they know, and who told them how do propulsions work and the working of a submarine works
@@tupolev.designs I assume before they got assigned to their ships or even before they become marines(forgot their organization name) they learnt to maintain a ship in middle school for people wanting to become a marine, like an extra curricular class.
When the US BBs were brought out of mothballs, their armor had a new advantage. At that time, None of the anti-ship missiles were designed to penetrate heavy armor. So in the case above "training warheads" would have no hope of inflicting significant damage, whereas the 18in cannon shot would inflict severe damage on a modern destroyer. These are designed for speed, not heavily armored.
Well, spotting and hitting a destroyer at actual engagement range is pretty difficult task. Vast majority of media does very poorly at portraying this sort of distances.
I mean the Musashi looks like they have stormtrooper aim and cant hit a fucking thing, and the Modern Destroyers were just stupid beyond belief.
@@kousand9917 in actual battleship engagements at standard range, ie 10+km, an accuracy of 1% was considered average, if not superb.
During the sinking of the Hood, bismarck depleted nearly all of its AP ammunition, before scoring a single devastating hit.
@@kousand9917 if you played war thunder you would understand how freaking difficult it is to hit a moving ship at a range of 10+ kilometres
this is only true for western missiles such as the Exocet and Harpoon. the Soviet missiles the BBs actually would have gone up against had massive shaped charge and SAP warheads designed to cripple carriers, and the missile that nearly blew the Eilat in half would be more than enough to gut a BB with a decent sized salvo
you know what? i'm going back to GuP.
watching that one with all the historical references and playing for sport is better than incompetent ship captains getting shot at.
lol. This show is in the same universe.
I think the bigger is that it has by far the stupidest villains concept I have ever seen in my life
MIND-CONTROLLED HAMSTERS THAT CAN CAUSE VIRUS AND HAVE JAMMING ABILITIES
WTF were they smoking
@@michaelho4014 idk
@@michaelho4014 idk a uranium fuel rod?
@@michaelho4014 thats kinda the point of fiction its a world of the creators imagination any thing can happen like War Hammer 40,000.
0:09 "when all the battleship cannons are looking right down your soul, we all know you are dead"
-panzer
2:10
Why can't we do this in world of warships?
Because the system doesn't allow you to multitask and even if it did you would have to do one at a time which by that point you've already lost your targeting on one ship while trying to aim at another separate one.
I'd be awesome! But alas, that'd make battleships too OP, even if it was harder to multitask as oppose to doing half or full salvos. One example that comes to mind is Bismarck, those guns shred ANYTHING, NOW imagine shredding 2 even 3 ships at a time...with all that said, it'd be cool as hell.
Kyaw Thu exactly man they should have that option
Well, wow should be playing one ship, with multiple crew as players whose task is Manning main turets (1,2,3 or 4), secondaries Canons, AAA, ship movement, torpedoes and a captain. That should be perfect. But yeah, it's a video game...
Same thing in neo warfare x
My turrets are trained in 1 direction not like this :(
Fun fact: The secondary gun batteries on the sides were replaced and supplemented by huge amounts of additional AA guns. While the ship was under repair in April 1944, the two 6.1 inch (155mm) wing turrets were removed and replaced with three triple 25 mm gun mounts each.
The same modification went to Yamato as well
Her 2 152mm guns on the sides were switched to AA guns in an similar config as Musashi's AA placement
The lovely power of plot armor
I’m getting tired of highschool girls using military equipment like they’re just toys
Ikr! Real life people that use military equipment use it for killing things. On the other hand, fucking anime makes that look like a joke
Bet in the future they gonna use space battleships
@@redcomment6768 thats too ridiculous lol
@@tsarbombawithinternetconne875 and operating a battleship is not?
@@redcomment6768 science said it lol.
They forgot that planes were more effective against Yamato-class battleships.
Remember what happened on the 7th of april 1945?
Well you can't use something that doesn't exist, in this universe aircraft weren't invented.
@@PaulonTheBrave So cruise missiles, harpoons, torpedoes, and APFSDS rounds don’t exist? I’m gonna call some BS on that
@@PaulonTheBrave Wait what.
You can't use Plane cause JSDMF doesn't have CV
@@ezalfarizy7113 no lmao, it's just plot armor to save the little lolis asses. They would have been on the ocean floor dead with their outdated battleship if this was real life.
If I were the fleet commander, I'd tell them to fire every live ammunition on that ship.
In Nihonkoku Shoukan/Summonin Japan, the modern JMSDF destroyers completely dominated the Yamato-class battleship Grade Atlastar in combat (technically Grade Atlastar is an upgraded Yamato as it have radar as well as proximity fuse) . Not only dis the destroyer peppered the Yamato -class with anti -hip missiles from beyond visual range of the battleship but they even used their AEGIS system to shoot down the main cannon shells in flight .The battleship never stood a chance.
Ah yes, I remember that they also had proxy fuse beehive shells. The beehive shells IRL were time fuse. Proxy fuse beehive shells is a helluva nightmare.
you know the Anime is Somewhat Unrealistic when you see Experts with boats that have Big Guns appear
2:22 when the non-weebs lost their shit
I would litteraly noclip in and say:"use live ammo dumass"
Physicist and historian screaming in anger over this anime 😂
Looking at the comment section....pretty much what I expected before I clicked. Not disappointed.
Man i have always hate to see girls mess with ships, tanks, and jets
Kerk 123 me too
Kerk 123 girls mess with shit
Kerk 123 yes your right
Kerk 123 why is that?
true. unless u know what the heck u doing don't touch anything
I wonder how much this comment section would be cut down if people actually read the synopsis of the anime to understand what is actually going on and why the destroyers aren't just blasting the Musashi to death.
If only we had that turret traverse speed in wows
Since 99% of the comments argue that a Yamato class can’t survive attacks from a modern destroyer, the simple reason is why this is not the case in this anime: *Warning: Spoilers*
An virus outbreak that turns people rabid infects the school’s ships. The Musashi’s crew got infected because of this and only a few survivors hid away in corners. That’s why the destroyers actions in this are just unrealistic. They didn’t want to sink the ship full of civilian students just because of some virus.
what season and episode did this come from?
They didnt know there was a virus at the super battleship
Loved watching this series in one sitting, as ridiculous as it is, I hope for more!!
The mice around those MLRS tubes got roasted for sure.
Is this Girls Und Das Boot?
Basically if Das Boot had mated with Girls Und Panzer and Battleship, this would be the result.
Nah this is just Das Boot 2018 by itself anyway. The old 1981 film was at least pretty good.
Space Battleship Yamato: Wow, My sister always picking up fights against the human fleet..
check blue steel lol
Musashi: *Exist*
Submarines: im about to end this ship's career
Planes killed Musashi
And the submarine captain is the same captain from "Hunter Killer"
No, it’s more like this
Musashi : Exist’s
Literally the entire U . S Airforce : “ Ah shit, here we go again “
When the only part you studied was the shape.
While some actions taken by the destroyers were questionably dumb, at least there's a reason why the destroyers don't just outright sink the Musashi, in context, the crews of Musashi were mind-controlled and held as hostage so they can't really endanger them by firing fatal ammunitions at the ship.
Why not?
@@rapatacush3 death of innocent students, primarily.
@@rapatacush3 devious
“Oh no! A rogue battleship! What do we do?”
*chuckles in Exocet*
Chuckles in aircraft
Anime be like:
FUCK YOU LOGIC
if u havent already known this by making fucking ships into girls and making girls ride in tanks.
then your REALLY DUMB
Killzxc yeah, I should've known better by now
Too bad GATE didn't have a naval component.
But imho, Zipang does the "modern warship vs. WWII BB" scenario better justice.
Rabbits on deck...adolescent girls at the helm of a ww2 battleship... some strange weed y'all grow over there in Japan bro...lol. 😂😂😂 😩😩😩
The rats aren't supposed to be on deck, they're the source of trouble- they're an ET/FC's worst nightmare since they radiate an RF that fucks up electronics bad and cause Zombie infections. The Battleships are trainers, and in this AU, WWII never happened-- at least as far as Japan is concerned. I think a Nazi victory in Europe might have, given the presence of the Spee, and the lack of "things that stop WWII in Europe" and the presence of "things that keep America from waking up and hulk smashing".
@@AirshipCanon2 what
What@@AirshipCanon2
@@AirshipCanon2 Don't forget: No powered flight, ergo no aircraft carriers. Because Reasons™.
Oh it's worse those girls are on those ships with 0 adults and there learning to be rescue crews for the most modern ships ever
Most modern torpedos don't go for direct strikes. They get maneuvered under its target where the following detonation would have crippled the hull, basically like hitting a spine with a baseball bat.
I don't really know how to swim.
Guess Im going back to Panzer und Girls.
at least gup have those semi accurat historical references and is pretty fun to watch.
Here, let's end the modern destroyers vs battleships argument, most modern destroyers have VLS (vertical launch system) missiles, and most of the missiles can be equipped with a tactical nuclear warhead if needed, and no matter how well constructed your battleship is, it's not going to withstand more than like 2-3 of these, don't believe me, first, just google if Tomahawk Cruise Missiles can be equipped with nuclear warheads, then look up Operation Crossroads, problem solved, and if you try to argue that nuclear weapons aren't allowed because they're too powerful and blah blah blah, then the battleship's guns shouldn't be allowed, because that's stripping both ships of their most powerful armament, and making it far, if not, then people need to realize that just because modern weapons have less explosive charge in them, doesn't mean they have less power, a modern tank engine uses less fuel than a WWII tank engine to run at max speed, that doesn't mean that the modern engine is weaker, it just means we have gotten better at using the explosive energy that we get from the fuel for running the engine. And in addition, most modern torpedoes are actually pretty close to WWII torpedoes, it's just that there was a small group of WWII torpedoes that were absolutely massive, such as the Type 97 Model 3, but again, even those are nothing compared to modern weapons that aren't torpedoes, which is not the main weapon of modern destroyers, those would be the missiles, and while a single missile isn't much, a swarm of them, from tens of kilometers outside of the battleship's gun range, or even scouting range, is more than enough to cripple, or even sink a warship such as the mighty Yamato class.
But let's continue to add to the modern side, because everyone here probably knows all about the WWII ships, I want you to think about this, how thick was the keel of these old warships, usually not thick right? did you know that modern torpedoes are made in a way so that target and are guided to the keel of a ship before exploding to maximize damage? and seeing as most modern torpedoes are actually pretty strong, most having an explosives charge equivalent to about 544 kg of TNT according to declassified information, which the average naval torpedoes had about 350 kg - 600 kg if we through out the outliers, such as the type 97 model 3 with it's 858 kg payload.
Next, Let's talk about range finding and targeting, which I can say, without a doubt, a modern ship wins with it's sophisticated radar array and computer suite, while most battleships, excluding the later war American Battleships, had no Radar, or if they did, it wasn't usually a good one, the Yamato-Class did have Radar, but it wasn't able to be used for fire control, and could see surface vessels, at maximum, up to 20 km away, and that's if the conditions are perfect, and seeing as we're putting modern destroyers up against this ship, you can believe that they will easily be able to jam the Radar of the Yamato-Class with pretty standard military equipment.
Lastly, seeing as we've been able to decide that both in terms of firepower, and targeting, as well as locating the enemy, the Yamato or Musashi are both outclassed in so many ways, Speed, Armor and maneuverability, we already know that in terms of speed and maneuverability the battleship is outclassed by the destroyer simply because of size, and power to weight ratio, but armor is a place that you probably would immediately thing the battleship wins, right? Well, here's the fun part, You ever heard of the CIWS, yeah, the death wall-e that seems to want to shoot everything it sees, well, in theory, those could help protect the destroyer if it ever decided to be suicidal and get in the Battleship's gun range against High Explosive shells, which is what that battleship would want to use against a destroyer, due to the fact that even if the shell misses, the explosion and shrapnel could possibly damage the target, and if an Armor Piercing round hit the ship, there's a high likelihood of the shell passing through the ship and not causing as much damage as it would, to, say another larger ship, in terms of physical armor though, the battleship would win by default, with the Yamato class having a 7in deck, up to 18in armor belt, 20in turret face, unfortunately, this cannot be said about her fairly weak torpedo belt, which was not very well made to begin with, but it was also overstressed due to how wide the ship was, which is part of why the ship flooded as heavily as it did when it was struck, which does again fall in line with the warship design mentality of the Japanese, which was that the ship was more focused on offensive power, and defense can secondary, the ability to repair was the last thing that they thought of when designing their ships (See Akagi, Kaga, Sōryū and Hiryū),
So, in the end, the modern destroyer far outmatches the battleship in almost every way, and if they had used actual modern weaponry, and not training weaponry, not only would they have probably crippled the ship, but sunk it in more pieces than the originals sunk in, and that's if they used conventional weapons and not nuclear. Thank you for reading this, and if you do disagree with me, I recommend you, instead of commenting immediately that I'm wrong and then not backing your reasoning up, you do research into modern weapons, WWII weapons, and the Yamato-Class themselves, or any other battleship you want to use because unfortunately, there's a reason that all navies, have stopped using the battleship for good, and no, the Russian Battlecruiser doesn't count, that's a completely different class of ship from a battleship, even if the both have battle in the name, they're far different from each other, plus Russians can't keep their naval ships running at full capacity for more than one day a year unless its a frigate.
Let’s be honest, in real life they would hit with one torpedo or 1-3 anti ship missiles at a range where the musashi wouldn’t even have seen them and sunk
I also would like to watch these high school girls get shredded by anti ship cannons, also in this day and age a single plane would have obliterated them
That's if its in a reality and in a war situation. In this scene, the instrutors were trying to locate and save the missing students and ship.
They wouldn't want to hold accountable for their students' death so in this scene maybe they're using dummy torpedo or torpedoes that only cause minimal damage. But who knows? The best thing we can assume is plot armor is everything in a story.
@@rubina6327 as long as no one died in the anime I would have no problems with the plot, but if they actually killed people in the battleship they should have been blown up
このシーンの初見の感想「男いたんだ」
I'm no military expert, but a direct hit from a Yamato class Super Batleship at a thin skinned destroyer should have torn it apart. APHE type of shells woulda done it. They might survive AP, but those rounds are huge. Another thing is, a round hitting the surface of the water, would have created shrapnel fast enough to penetrate a destroyer's hull (I assume).
Yamato-class Armament
9 × 46 cm Type 94 guns (3x3)
12 × 15.5 cm 3rd Year Type guns (4x3)
12 × 127 mm Type 89 (6x2)
24 × 25 mm Type 96 AA guns (8x3)
4 × 13.2 mm Type 93 (2x2)
I know this is just an anime, but I was always interested in military engineering and like to analyze military scenarios I see in movies, cartoons and anime. So, if anyone wants to contribute their thoughts about what should have or would have happened in such a naval engagement, I'm curious.
Oh, another thing, the Musashi in this show would have lost in the very same way as the Bismarck or Tirpitz (I forget), outmaneuvered by destroyers and overwhelmed with torpedoes. Probably quicker if they effectively utilized their missiles to strike from above and at the command bridge. Computer-assisted targeting too.
Normally that would have never even hit a modern destroyer as it would wreck the Yamato class from so far away they would not even know it was there.
Normally, they wouldn't even approach it...
But this is a situation where in they approached it because it is a school ship and they are supposed to be escorting it.
A "school ship". So those are meant to be soliders in training on it? You know what happens in real life if a ship suddenly starts firing on you and stops answering your call? It gets sunk.
No, it mean they were already well within range to be attacked...
TheExplodingChipmunk a school super battleship piloted by little girls
※大和型二番艦武蔵の装甲は今の護衛艦の何倍も厚いです、あのくらいの魚雷なら防げます。あと46センチ砲を食らって浮いていられるイージス艦化け物
God damnit will we ever get a modern made military anime WITH NO GOD DAMM LOLIS
There’s a reason on why 2 nukes *just wasn’t enough.*
Bc seeing little girls with massive guns is just epic.
@@Lappland_is_mitsu i figured someone with a profile pic like that would like lolis with guns no offense
@@chefs_son i dont like the idea of lolis i like the idea of small people with massive guns
@@Lappland_is_mitsu i see i see i am too a big fan of tiny people wielding unbelievably large weapons and my favorite would be Tanya
I love the logic of anime some times like when a turret (Musashi main battery)that is the same weight of a average American WW2 destroyer aka the fletcher class can just turn faster then someone running 1 feet and how the modern ships never heard of cruise missiles
Is this like the Japanese force one vs Tafty 3
union pacific big boy 4014 kind of except in this case taffy 3 is defeated.
Except 2 taffy 3s vs 1/4 of the force one lol
+Zhao Zhao and utterly incompetent. Like seriously back the fuck off, missles have much greater range than battleship guns. And even at that range the five inch guns of those destroyers(similar to arliegh burkes) should be able to shred command and control, and remove all fire control directors. If you wanted the crew unharmed just use the guns to remove fire directors and to damage the gun batteries.
Nah, Taffy 3 is much cooler
Expect here the Captian wasn't using his brain.
"Evasive maneuvers? Whats that?"
“They’re firing live ammo at us, what do we do?”
“Return fire with paintballs! That’ll show them!”
Also, modern torpedoes don't hit the side (aka heavily armored area a ship), they detonate under the keel and break the ships back. One MK.48 would probably cripple the Musashi.
yes but the dummytorps always hit the side. that's just how they work.
Training ammunitions? Dude, it’s a Yamato-class battleship. That armor is 4 inches thicker than Iowa. If more than 1 torpedos couldn’t take the Yamato down, what makes you think a bunch of training ammunitions could punch a hole?
you got a point but the live ammo would detonate under the ship. they can't really do that if they don't want to kill anyone
Brother, do you know what is anti - Armour ?
@@wongwang7475 Even a few anti armor wouldn't be enough. Remember, Yamato has a catacomb of compartments. And since she and Musashi are sisters, it's likely that Musashi has the same catacoms of compartments as her sister.
And here I expect to see a destroyer firing at a samurai.
Prepare the Yamato Battleship, Tenno Heika Banzai!!!
There is no reason why we should be surprised that a ww2 japanese battleship operated by japanese high-school girls are able to destroy a fleet of modern warships in a amine.
Modern Warships be like:
One real modern torpedo is enough to destroy the whole musashi.
not really
@@ThornyA_D39 can sink the musashi if those girls cant handle the flooding
Actually very not true, modern weapons aim deal with modern ships. Modern ships are made out of plastic and tinfoil. Having smaller missiles allows them to be cheaper and allows you to carry more of them, so basically no one carries anti-BB equipment because there can be no possible need to it.
Nah. The bulge on those freaking ships could handle a LOT of punishment.
And cripple them too if you can't destroy it, and lastly there's a saying "if it's not enough, then put more lead into it"
Heres an idea: mechanize the battleships and give them better ammunition with longer range and and thicker and more durable armor then mount evry single type of modern missile launchers on it as possible + torpedoes and long range radar+sonar
Watching this without the context of the series. Its not really good. A modern destroyer could eat a 2. WW battleship for breakfast. Modern torpedoes don't act like those at all. The explode under the ship and break its back. A modern Destroyer is also a lot faster and more manoeuvrable and with the old targeting systems (mainly manuell ones) very hard to hit. The weapon capabilities of Modern battleships are also a lot more dangerous than what WW 2 ships could bring to bear. One modern anti ship missile is neither stoppable by this ship and would "fuck it up" badly. There is a reason big battleships are not used anymore.
TheExplodingChipmunk take modern tech. Make a super dred with everything. With hmm idk 1000mm armor that should withstand a bit don’t you think And how about 30” guns mounted on quad turrets 5 turrets in front and 3 I’m back with 8 25 round salvo missiles will do it don’t you think? (Btw this is all a joke)
Realizing that it is a joke, all the tech in the world couldn't save the Iowa from mothballs. A single modern fighter can put out more than a single broadside of a battleship. In the end it is a lot easier to build a new fighter than building a new battleship.
Jeah. And one cruise missile with a anti ship load out is also enough to effectively eliminate a battleship like the Iowa. And a modern missile carrier has a lot of them. All in all most of the old tech used in ww2 and the vietnam/korea wars pales in comparison to modern tech. Nowdays you can eliminate an enemy stronghold with an accurate rocket strike from a drone without your enemies ever realising something is up until the rocket hits.
@@theexchipmunk You do know that the old analogic targeting computer on board of the Iowa class hasn't been outclassed by any modern targeting computer when it comes to main battery fire control right ?
@@Akredi Maybe because as said, there is no need for better sea artillery? Modern targeting systems for sea warfare centre around long range rockets and missiles. There are no big batteries on ships anymore and the guns that are used will rarely fire further than a mile. Its not hard to not be outclassed when no-one seriously competes with you.
Lol I'm a bit late for the party(3 years late) but I wanted to clarify something, while trying to not spoil things.
The highschool girls in the Musashi were under the control of a virus, so they became very aggressive and attacked the destroyers.
Also, the shot of the girls in a bridge is not the same ship.
This is insane! Those controlling a warship are wearing sailor uniforms?! Hey...wait a second... Now that I think about it...
I will now expect a anime where they give nuclear missiles to high school girls and they compete each other
When Fury movie turns into a sea battle.
You are insulting fury..
@@sunfyre3463 that movie was shit, change my mind
@@sunfyre3463 Fury was Allies Biased, that Tiger would have stayed stationary and shot "Fury" first because most German tankers were told to take out the big guns first and the tank leading the line.
@@tonyepic8 well at least they were a little more realistic than this big piece of fake anime
This is more or less how most matches against the Yamato in world of warships goes, except by the end we're all either dead, or trying to take cover
Hmmmm, well I don't know what I was expecting ...
But lets just say the destoryers managed to somehow escape the battleship or crippled it to the point it cannot fight back (which is next to impossible without actually destroying it, they are quite robust) what do you think the military would do when they learn that there is a mind altering plague onboard? Board the ship and attempt to rescue the trainees? ... *fuck* *no* they would bomb that thing to the bottom of the ocean without a second thought. Then stick the crews of the destroyers into quarantine until they are sure they will not suffer the same fate.
God forbid it begins to spread, believe it or not the military (the US at the very least) has protocols to combat mind altering viruses (including ones that act like the flood from halo) as well as zombies, vampires, and pretty much all other common fictional enemies or disasters, including dragons.
No I am not kidding, look it up, we have warehouses full of shotgun shells filled with wooden shrapnel and tiny silver pellets, I am dead fucking serious.
Actually they'd problem nuke the ship instead.
Better to be prepared to fight and respond to anything, no matter how outlandishly impossible it may seem!
@@GravitasZero Considering theres a conplan 8888 which is about zombies im kinda glad the government (at least the US government) had this mentality in mind.
@@PrivateMcPrivate Were nukes even invented in this universe? I know WW2 never happened so...? Would we still have invented them without WW2?
I love the premise of "Hey, some high school girls with big ass ships are going AWOL because of the Rage Virus transmitted via rodents on-board. Good luck!"
If we speak logically, a modern destroyer can easily destroy a naval battleship from World War II. Better radar, better detection, denser firepower, ballistic guided missiles, torpedoes, all contained in one modern destroyer.
True. But logic is also incredibly boring and has no place in anime.
There is no such thing as anything modern that will be superior to the old ones, today's destroyers are not for war, they are AIR DEFENSE AND PROTECTION SHIPS.
航行不能の前に視認距離から現代艦が大和級に撃たれたら木っ端微塵だと思います
副砲が過貫通してくれればワンチャン航行不能で済む
航空機がないから三式弾もないんやろ
恐らく生徒の判断では、実弾装填は出来ず、教官の指示にしたがっての管理と思われます。教官が外部から管理を行っていると思われるので、実際に使っているのは、恐らく模擬弾なんでしょう。
ここからしたにはネタバレがあります。
Ratウィルスによって、現代改修され、電子制御になった主砲は、目視照準となるので、辺りどころがよかったのでしょうか？
3重の安全装置があるので無事なのはそのお陰なんでしょうね〜
何発何十発も浴びせる前提なら「そらそうだ」とは思うが、劇中の命中弾数で「木っ端微塵」は夢のまた夢だぞ。ただの指標に過ぎない廃艦所要弾数表にさえ46cm一撃で廃艦できる軍艦は存在しない。
Moe high school girls who pilot war machines WHY IS THIS A GENRE?????
malphone ikr
Guilty pleasure. Even for those who are very vocal about their "dislike" for this genre.
First Girls Und Panzer and now this?
malphone what's next? A more high school girl takes over earth?
“Stop your ship and follow our instructions!”
Musashi: fuck you. *fires salvo at the ship*
I like how mad fucking historically accurate freaks are in the comments. Like what do expect from fiction??? just another case of people can't distinguish reality from fiction.
Did I just watch a battleship clap a whole fleet of arleigh Burke class destroyers?
What did I just watch
Not Arleigh Burke, its either Atago or Kongo class destroyer.
Lol they totally stealed the arleigh Burke design
Canadianairforce69 I know, they’re the only ships outside the US with AEGIS
@@ATLAS_45445 Still the same
Fong Kei technically yeah
If the Musashi had a direct hit once the destroyers would not be afloat, however if the destroyers actually tried to fight for real the Musashi wouldn’t even have had the chance to fire twice.
Whoever fire first at that close fight would be the winner. But even little modern missiles boat could sink ww2 battleships.
The ddg's actually fired missiles at the musashi but didn't work due to jamming
@@kyledavidgalan9908 Finally someone who actually notices this detail, instead of all the armchair admirals that conveniently ignore HSF Musashi's upgrades.
People, whoever made this anime is NOT a naval warfare nerd. Just enjoy the goddamn show about girls and warships.
Thing about vintage ships like the Yamato or the USS iowa, they are like a floating fortress with tons of guns to defend them, they lack a accurate range of guns because it takes a skill to operate such a large beast, windspeed and humidity is a problem back then. But a score hit with these ships will destroy you instantly. Modern ships often use long ranged ballistic missiles as their main weapon of choice. They are not built to withstand a 403mm shell, they are built for long ranged bombardment.
Hexa Dex no they are built to be fast, versatile, and cheap. Bruh, its 2018. Nobody actually uses ships anymore, get with the program. Aircraft rule the sea. Also harpoon missles are very powerful.
xx awesomexx I agree with that point. But the only point I make is the fighting scene in this video.
xx awesomexx Nah dude ships hella still have a place. Without escorts how the fuck a carrier gonna stop ballistic missiles and attack subs and shit, and to help protect against Ashms? The enemy needs ships to kill those escorts so they can get at the carriers, so they can get at the supply lines. Plus DDs keep the sea lanes and convoys from being helpless against subs and shit.
They don't even use ballistic missiles in ship to ship anymore. The main choice for big targets is a cruise missile that either targets the bridge or carries a torpedo that brakes the keel.
USS Iowa is more fearsome for them. Because she had good Radar and FCS. But thinking about Yamato and Musashi is... NOT. Just deploy Smoke around them, they would be DISABLED. so easy.
理解が追いつけないアニメ第一号
Kirov class battlecruiser:Num num musashi my breakfast
Fucking Shipwreck Missile dat bitch Musashi into next week.
with how many shells the Musashi had fired on 'Friendly vessels' I cannot say I would have made the same decisions as the captain of that destroyer, with a vessel of that magnitude bearing down on vessels that couldn't take a hit from a secondary, much less a main caliber gun, I would have ordered the fleet to fire everything they had, if it takes a 75MM OTO shell to knock some sense into the students, so be it, its that or get flattened by an 18 inch shell.
127mm vulcano guided shell towards the bridge, I ain't putting my men at risk because some girls had teenage issues. Once fired by it is hostile unless higher ups says otherwise.
@@then00brathalos I cant say I'd go that far, but I understand where you're coming from