In a free market, competition always results in the very best rising to the top. Introduce "fair market forces" or "leveling the playing field" and you get what you get...but rarely the best. Both of these companies are to be commended for the ground-breaking work which benefit all of us today.
Remember when companies fought each other to bring the best possible product to costumers instead of connect with each other and fight consumers? I do. World wasn't used to be so much of a mess like it is now
@@natecaraway2000 While the S&W in my pocket may imply a bias, I must say I've never had the pleasure of holding or carrying a Colt. How the hell should I know LOL!
Unless it's a X-Frame. What they don't have in beauty they more than make up for in performance. Find an actual N-Frame, not an equivalent made by someone other than Smith and Wesson that can fire .454 Casull , much less .460 from the factory.
S&W's grim determination to engineer their way around turning the cylinder the wrong way reminds me of Porsche's grim determination to engineer their way around the 911's engine being in the wrong place.
@@jason200912 "Timing" in revolvers is how the cylinder lines up with the forcing cone on the barrel, so by having the hand pushing to the left against the cylinder crane thus messing with the alignment of the barrel to cylinder. If the hand was on the left pushing towards the frame instead of away from the frame there would be no force trying to open the crane.
I am a stroke survivor, and therefore a WEE bit slow on the uptake. I am binge watching and catching up on this series. I appreciate the fact that O doesn't so much lecture me as he talks to me about the gun to the best of his knowledge. He then says "Go read about it." This time I actually paused him and went to Wikipedia and did a quick read on S&W. Makes a world of difference in following along. Brain damage doesn't allow you to pack along much in the retention area, so I needs all the help I can get. PLUS a day without a smile from Mae is a sad day indeed. Thank you.
From one who looked for a Smith and Wesson Triple Lock in 44 Special, I finally found what I considered an ultimate; a Triple Lock in 44 Special, with a custom 4” barrel with ramped front site, coupled with a low profile rear site. Problem was I bought my revolver in mid-1984, but during a range session in October 1984, I was offered nearly 6 times the price I purchased the revolver for just months previously. So, literally with tears in my eyes, I took the cash and bode farewell to the best revolver I ever saw, held or shot.
Wow, Im so pleased you have answered a question that has been in my mind and unanswered, for the last 55yrs! My father (Naval GI), had one of these in the loft (with ammo pouches) that he surrendered during an amnesty. I knew it was a SW with Webley 455 chambering, but until now have never identified it. Although I was only 12yrs, he let me drool over it once and it was a love affair Ill never forget. Superb engineering and lines and that gorgeous blued finish, I will never forget. Thanks again (I wish hed kept it!)
ABSOLUTLEY A GRADSLAM REVIEW! No where else am i going to find such a deep dive and live fire eval of this S&W masterpiece! I am trying to secure a deal on a triple lock now and this makes me want it even more! Bravo and thank you for all your time, thoughts and hard work
I owned a .455 Eley and it was/is as Othias suggests, absolutely sublime. Mine was a Canadian RCMP fun and had 70 or so years of super hard service and only had blue on the inside with perhaps 10% exterior if I’m generous. Gun was still slick and felt better then anything short of a Masterpiece or a Korth. It had to go because I needed the money for a very clean, (museum quality) 1908 Webley 9mm automatic. (No regrets although I later sold it and another gun for an amazing double Stopping rifle in 4ga, as well as about $8,000 in cash).
Mae I to seen the light of the Smith and Wesson. A life time of glorious perfection for me. I confess that I have slimmed down to 6 Smith's. A pair of Reeder Schofields. N frames are a favorite, but my model 19-8 has held the lead for decades. As you are past fond of the triple lock, I feel the same to the model 19 as having the best hand to grip I've ever held. Yes even over the triple lock. Superior post.
After seeing this video, I think I’ve gained a new appreciation for S&W revolvers. My father has had a 6” .357 magnum since the 1970s, and I know that despite the name, I’m pretty sure Hickok 45 is a Smith & Wesson fan. Traditionally, I was always partial to a 1911 over any revolver, though I have quite a few. Recently, I’ve gained new appreciation for revolvers, and through this series have set my collecting eyes towards some of these. Again I thank you guys for the in depth videos… and as always, I still say May has the best job on the team. Also like to thank Bruno for all the amazing animations. I am no gunsmith, but I do like to understand the mechanics of these important pieces.
I love S&W revolvers. I learned to shoot on S&W revolvers. Went through the police academy with a S&W revolver. I carry a 1962 Chief special everyday (or a 1971 nickel plated model 49, or 1982 model 60 or 1974 model 60 or.... hehehe) . She has a lot of honest wear but never misses a beat, of course. They’re such great guns, my wife will toss a vintage J frame in my casket. I’ll never have the money to own all the models I NEED. Thank you so very much for doing this video. I wish it was 40 hours long and covered every model.
"But then the .455 caliber revolvers failed to get contracts as well, and seeing that it wasnt powerful enough, Smith and Wesson then developed the .44 Magnum, but while this was more powerful, it failed to entice the US Military due to being smaller than .45. Following this their new X-frame revolvers would chamber the .500 Magnum, a weapon to surpass the Mars pistol developed a few years ago, but the Ordanence department thought a 50 caliber would be too much, so to meet them in the middle the new model X-frame chambered the .460 Smith and Wesson cartridge, known as the XVR internally...."
@keith moore The 44 mag is awesome in its own right. Just the correct amount of too much. Just sayin.....as a man that owns a 1973 vintage model 29....(quietly chuckles to himself)
@keith moore You mean Elmer Keith. It was Elmer that hot rodded the 44 Special in Triple Lock revolvers and eventually worked with Remington to make a new cartridge and with Smith & Wesson to build a gun for it. He also worked on the 357 Magnum. As to Jeff Cooper i recall he was well known for fancying 1911s rather than revolvers and later on praised the CZ75 despite not being a 45 which he was a proponent of as well.
@@Full_Otto_Bismarck Well, Jeff C. was getting on in years when he began to develop a bit of a thing for the CZ75 and its capacity for large numbers of bijou 9mm cartridges. The same sort of thing happened to me in my late fifties: An S&W Model 59, not elderly, but of 'a certain age,' sporting thick oversize custom cherry grip panels was slipped into my full size hand. She whispered 'Go ahead, I'll let you put a dozen in the black as fast as you can wiggle your finger, you will still have a few more left, and the thought 'arthritic fingers' won't even cross your mind .' That little fat-butt Model 59 didn't cause any .44s or .45s to become homeless, but, though nothing on her rotates, she earned a place in the rotation.
Comment before I see this episode: OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD THIS IS THE EPISODE I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR EVER SINCE I SAW MY FIRST C&RSENAL EPISODE! I FUDGING LOVE 3-LOCKS! [TEEN GIRL SQUEEEEE]
Just came across your channel. I am blown away. I know at the moment you've been focusing on WWI, but I would love to see a series that focuses solely on the history and evolution of Smith & Wesson revolvers.
Great, great revolver. I have coveted one for my collection for decades. In 2003 I purchased a S&W Performance Center Classic version of this gun. It wasn't cheap, but was a fraction of what an original cost. Virtually Identical, but for a color case hardened frame finish by Turnbull and the third lock is a little different in design. I also have a few Colt's in my collection (I'm a S&W collector primarily but can't resist fine revolvers) and the Clockwise cylinder rotation that Colt went to largely fixed the problems S&W was trying to solve. This is why Colt's never needed a lock on the end of the ejector rod OR a shroud to prevent the ejector rod from being bent. When a Colt revolver is fired, at the moment the trigger is pulled there is -0- play in the cylinder. Not so with a S&W. I love S&W revolvers and they are much more interesting from a collector's standpoint, but there is no denying Colt had a great mechanism also.
According to David Thomas' Master's dissertation on The Pistol in British Military Service in the Great War, England ordered 59,000 Hand Ejectors, and of Canada's 14,500, by the end of the war 7,000 had been transferred to England. These numbers were per the Ministry of Munitions Files at The National Archives.
@@craigfinley2507 It was a third locking point on the crane that worked a little like the front locking point on my Ruger Redhawk. It isn't really necessary on my Smith, as it in perfect time, however the engineering of the triple lock to me is amazing.I once beheld one in .455 at a gun show, and it was a work of art. I did not have the funds to buy it, but the guy let me hold it.Something I will always remember.
As always many thanks Othias and Mae for your outstanding presentation. We owe much to Mr Gallands efforts in 1868 even to this day. Compared my new S&W Model 66-8 and old 65-6 as you did the 2nd & 3rd Models. On 66-8 the ejector rod shroud has returned and there is a sort of lock device on the crane into the frame, the ejector rod is solid like a Colt and without a lock at the tip of the rod. So whats new and latest and best was thought of more than 100 years ago.
I will forever be a Smith & Wesson guy. The cylinder latch is a big thing, but I just dislike the way every Colt I've handled stacks the trigger weight. Great episode, folks. I may have something worthwhile for you to check out shortly
I felt the same as you mate, til I got a Python that a 'smith had worked his magic on and the single action break on that was light, crisp perfection. Nothing beat my 6"+half model 29 Smith tho ;-j
One of the reason for the Colt hammer bite is also the reason for the gap between the shooters hand - a grip filler was made during the middle of the 20th century called the Tyler “T” Grip, that filled the space behind the trigger guard. It was often found on experienced revolver shooters guns.
And they both can be considered Correct ! Triple Lock - S&W's finest Design , combined with very good quality . Registered Magnum - Over the top mfg quality , lots of bling details , but simplified design .
Well, I have both Colt and S&W vintage revolvers, and I'm as yet undecided which is my favouite. Love them all! Kind of leaning towards my Colt Army Special 38 as an "all around" great revolver... just because it's really smoooooooth… LOL Thanks for the vid!
I gotta agree with Othais and Mae’s preference for smiths over colts. I don’t have experience with these older wheel guns, but I have put a notable number of rounds through a smith & wesson .586 and a colt python. On paper, that Python should be the superior and more desirable gun, but honestly, the 586 handled better and shot better for me. The python was smooth, but there was just something about that smith that just did better for me.
I have a third model .44 known as Wolf&Klar, that became available in 1926 as special order. Has ejector rod shroud and only about 5K made. Mine also has factory nickel finish and engraved as Christmas present to San Antonio police captain in 1930. Great shooter.
I owned one of these once, it had been Fitz speacial treated short two inch barrel bobbed hammer but a full trigger guard old gun dated WW 1 in .45 acp accuracy was bad it was a belly gun but the action was smooth as glass.
I would love to see a video on revolver actions like you did with bolt actions. I find myself constantly going back to episodes and looking at how they got these revolvers to do the job
Don't pry off the side plate. Hold the gun in the palm of your hand with the side plate facing up and your thumb lightly over the side plate. Use a wooden dowel or wooden hammer and give the area of the grip a sharp rap downward. A lead babbitt will work too. The plate will just pop off. A recommended course for you. Smith and Wesson's Armorer's School for revolvers. I completed the course many years ago along with the auto course when I worked at The Brunswick Gun Shop. We were a warranty repair shop for Smith and Wesson. I'm enjoying all of your historical research and history of these firearms.
Amazing how much the internals are still the same in their modern revolvers. Loved this and the next one. I watched in wrong order but still really enjoyed both 👍👍
I would love to get a try with that triple lock. As a Smith Fan who still carries a model 66 combat magnum everyday as a primary gun (on duty as a LE officer) I would love to see how they compare to my beloved.
Sweet! My department issued M64 S&W revolvers until 2017 (switched to Glocks). I did my whole 21 year career with them. Glocks are ok, I still prefer the revolvers . they fit my hands betterand could be real tack drivers.
@@jeffreyroot7346 My dept. issues whatever they happen to have on hand but allows officers to carry whatever they want if they provide it. We are a small rural agency with an even smaller budget. Trick is they only buy the Ammo if its in 9, 40, or .38. Anything else and its up to you to buy the duty ammo. I choose to carry the 66. I also carry a M&P 40 if I am expecting big trouble or go on warrants and we always have an AR and a shotgun in the rack if needed.
You gotta Love those old school wheelguns with the thinner barrel. I just find the modern heavy Barrel Revolver and the rubber grips not as asthetical pleasing. Excuse my english please. Its Not my first language.
I think it depends. Give me a s&w victory any day of the week vs a post 1950 Model 10. i mean functually the most modern revolvers are pretty similar to the old ones. Theres a reason why most police Departements in america went straight from these old revolvers to Semi-Automatic. There isnt to much of a diffrence.
@keith moore What's the difference? I was trained and issued Model 10 and Model 64s for over 20 years ( my department only switched to Glocks the year I retired in 2017. They are good guns!
Jeffrey Root isn’t there a Studie that states that most citizen involved shootings are over in 2-3 shots. Doesn’t that mean that a revolver can be a viable option today?
After World War I, I believe it was Remington which bought back lots of the 2nd Models from the Brits and bored them out to shoot .45 Long Colt, and sold them on the U.S. commercial market. I bought one in the '60s and joyously shot it for many years. Indeed a beautiful revolver. The only things I did not like were the grips, which were too small for my hands.
Mae hits on the reason that I prefer a Smith over the Colt. The grip shape of the 1917 Smith fits my hand better than any other. The Colt has too deep of an arch behind the trigger. I bunch up on a Colt. A Tyler Tee grip is required.
I've got one of the Mk. II models and it must be an early one, has bluing about on par with that triple lock. Still have yet to shoot it due partly to issues sourcing .455, but one of these days I'll find the time to use the .455 I finally got in it. I will say though, mine seems to have a particularly heavy hammer spring, making the trigger not quite on par with the Russian 1895, but not far from it. Still smooth, but quite heavy, I want to say my trigger scale put it at somewhere near 14 lbs., just 6 lbs. lighter than my 1904 Tula Refurb Model 1895. At least my beloved Victory Model makes up for that with it's shootability, both in ammo and action.
Well, well, well. After getting inspired and digging the thing out, turns out I was wrong about that trigger spring. Must've confused it with my more modern production (arguably re-production) Model 57 classic, which was so stiff I had to change the mainspring. The problem of having too many revolvers (though many of them are Italian made, of the 1870's Western persuasion). I was right about the bluing, though it is quite worn. Interestingly, I popped it open to oil it while I had it out and it does have the chafing pins that Othias says were omitted in the Mk. II. Makes me wonder if they and the bluing were a further simplification part way through production of the Mk. II. Based on the fact that I'm looking at a 4 digit number on the butt, cylinder, and barrel, I'd say my recollection that it was early production (for the Mk. II) was spot on.
I just picked up a 44 2nd Model Hand Ejector for a steal of a price and I am beyond excited to go out and shoot it. The Triple Lock is my Holy Grail of revolvers though and I am crossing my fingers I will find one for a decent price someday. Anyways excellent video! I just subscribed
None of the pre war .44 HE are really sleepers . But particularly post 1928 mfg with improved heat treatment , they are actually stronger than Triple Locks .
I prefer the Colt-style release myself, but I have weird hands. My thumb can't get enough leverage on the S&W style to apply enough force to release it And maintain my firing grip, so since I have to shift my grip anyway to engage the release the Colt is easier for me since with the S&W I have to shift the gun to one side which is awkward but with the Colt I just tilt it back in my hand kinda like how I'm used to doing when cocking the hammer.
Well ROK Military hasn't had much involvement with revolvers - most likely due to the HUGE numbers of Colt automatics *ahem ahem* that we received as military aid. However, one thing that is interesting is that some have been adopted for high ranking officers - though I'm not sure if it's all Colts or Wessons. Thanks for more wheely pistols! - Jack the Korean Gun Nut.
"A kinesthetic joy". A phrase that is unequivocal. Then he drools over the bluing. Maybe he likes it ? Then he speaks well about overengineering. Opening up the working bits makes it look more like watchmaking. Then Mae drools some herself. Hope you guys went for a bite to eat afterwards.
Thanks again for a lovely episode. You can tell that Mae doesn't like the Smiths The big grin as she fires, the groups that would blow the bejesus out of an adversary. Please tell us that Mae out shot Othias with these beautiful pieces of art. ??? What,? No comments from Othias??? Remind me again that I don't want to make Mae mad at me. Thanks and Keep up the good works.
I've been eyeballing and fondling every N-Frame I can get my hands on for the past few months, just waiting to have the money...this episode is not helping! I need a big bore Smith in my life!
If I can find a 8 3/8 in half lug 629, my life would be complete. For now, my only N-Frames are a 6 1/2 in. 629 and my 1917. Yes, I could get a Blackhawk or Redhawk in 9 1/2 in. and I have nothing against Ruger revolvers and admire their strength but a tuned S&W action has to be felt and experienced.
May is borrowing a page from Les Nessman from WKRP in Cincinnati. In every episode, shes wearing a different bandage of one type of another. Very funny for a gunslinger.
@keith moore They do actually, they reintroduced old models in limited numbers a while ago, called the Classic line lol. They're making models 10, 17, 19, 25, 27, 29, 36, 48, and 57, though unfortunately they all have locks.
Ah, early 20th Century S&W Revolvers. The inspiration and reason for my obsessions with these models stem from a love of Disneyland and The Jungle Cruise. Though I have my doubts on how effective a double tap would be for disrupting an angry Hippopotamus in real life.
Othias/may. I was watching the mummy returns and noticed Rick (Brendon Fraser) brandishing a familiar silhouette. Sure enough, I had to come comment here immediately.
Whether you’re a Colt or a S&W fan, you can’t deny that the competition between them was so beneficial for revolver development in general
In a free market, competition always results in the very best rising to the top. Introduce "fair market forces" or "leveling the playing field" and you get what you get...but rarely the best. Both of these companies are to be commended for the ground-breaking work which benefit all of us today.
Remember when companies fought each other to bring the best possible product to costumers instead of connect with each other and fight consumers? I do. World wasn't used to be so much of a mess like it is now
Yeah the real winner was the consumer in the end
@@natecaraway2000 While the S&W in my pocket may imply a bias, I must say I've never had the pleasure of holding or carrying a Colt. How the hell should I know LOL!
When Othais holds it: .22LR
When Mae holds it: Absolute hand cannon.
You mean Othais?
@ I blame autocorrect. It doesn't recognize Othais on my phone lol
N-Frames - Whether a hundred or more years old, thirty-five years old or only twenty odd years old, always the top of the class.
N-frames: just incase you need to beat someone to death with your S&W after you run out of ammo.
Unless it's a X-Frame. What they don't have in beauty they more than make up for in performance. Find an actual N-Frame, not an equivalent made by someone other than Smith and Wesson that can fire .454 Casull , much less .460 from the factory.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography That's the sort of circumstance which leads one to sub-in a newer classic, a S&W Model 59.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography Just don't try that with your Python and expect it to work afterwards! 😱
@ronalddunne3413 it absolutely would still work
S&W's grim determination to engineer their way around turning the cylinder the wrong way reminds me of Porsche's grim determination to engineer their way around the 911's engine being in the wrong place.
I don't get it why does putting the bar on the right side cause it to lose it's timing vs putting the bar on the left?
@@jason200912 "Timing" in revolvers is how the cylinder lines up with the forcing cone on the barrel, so by having the hand pushing to the left against the cylinder crane thus messing with the alignment of the barrel to cylinder. If the hand was on the left pushing towards the frame instead of away from the frame there would be no force trying to open the crane.
I am a stroke survivor, and therefore a WEE bit slow on the uptake. I am binge watching and catching up on this series. I appreciate the fact that O doesn't so much lecture me as he talks to me about the gun to the best of his knowledge. He then says "Go read about it." This time I actually paused him and went to Wikipedia and did a quick read on S&W. Makes a world of difference in following along. Brain damage doesn't allow you to pack along much in the retention area, so I needs all the help I can get. PLUS a day without a smile from Mae is a sad day indeed. Thank you.
Lawrence of Arabia had a S&W Triple-Lock in .44 Spl, captured from a Turkish officer. It was recently donated to National Army Museum.
Ah, a fellow man of culture I see.
Would Love one in my collection
From one who looked for a Smith and Wesson Triple Lock in 44 Special, I finally found what I considered an ultimate; a Triple Lock in 44 Special, with a custom 4” barrel with ramped front site, coupled with a low profile rear site.
Problem was I bought my revolver in mid-1984, but during a range session in October 1984, I was offered nearly 6 times the price I purchased the revolver for just months previously. So, literally with tears in my eyes, I took the cash and bode farewell to the best revolver I ever saw, held or shot.
I think I know a lot about guns from the 1900-1945 period, yet I always learn a heck of a lot from these amazing vids.
Mae's satisfied sigh or giddy laugh after every time she shoots something is something to look forward to.
Ah, finally, the finest of the revolvers. Thank you.
"I know, this is riveting television."
Nah, it's screwing television.
Clever!
Id certainly love to get it on while watching guntuber vids. Life goals right there
Um, i guess we’re not doing phrasing any more?
Wow, Im so pleased you have answered a question that has been in my mind and unanswered, for the last 55yrs! My father (Naval GI), had one of these in the loft (with ammo pouches) that he surrendered during an amnesty.
I knew it was a SW with Webley 455 chambering, but until now have never identified it.
Although I was only 12yrs, he let me drool over it once and it was a love affair Ill never forget.
Superb engineering and lines and that gorgeous blued finish, I will never forget.
Thanks again (I wish hed kept it!)
It appears the only thing more complicated than the action was the designation that the Brits gave it
It wouldn't properly be a British firearm unless it had an overly complicated designation and was coated in proof marks
@@tacomancers12356789 And broad arrows.
ABSOLUTLEY A GRADSLAM REVIEW! No where else am i going to find such a deep dive and live fire eval of this S&W masterpiece! I am trying to secure a deal on a triple lock now and this makes me want it even more! Bravo and thank you for all your time, thoughts and hard work
I owned a .455 Eley and it was/is as Othias suggests, absolutely sublime. Mine was a Canadian RCMP fun and had 70 or so years of super hard service and only had blue on the inside with perhaps 10% exterior if I’m generous. Gun was still slick and felt better then anything short of a Masterpiece or a Korth. It had to go because I needed the money for a very clean, (museum quality) 1908 Webley 9mm automatic. (No regrets although I later sold it and another gun for an amazing double Stopping rifle in 4ga, as well as about $8,000 in cash).
Mae I to seen the light of the Smith and Wesson. A life time of glorious perfection for me. I confess that I have slimmed down to 6 Smith's. A pair of Reeder Schofields. N frames are a favorite, but my model 19-8 has held the lead for decades. As you are past fond of the triple lock, I feel the same to the model 19 as having the best hand to grip I've ever held. Yes even over the triple lock.
Superior post.
After seeing this video, I think I’ve gained a new appreciation for S&W revolvers. My father has had a 6” .357 magnum since the 1970s, and I know that despite the name, I’m pretty sure Hickok 45 is a Smith & Wesson fan. Traditionally, I was always partial to a 1911 over any revolver, though I have quite a few. Recently, I’ve gained new appreciation for revolvers, and through this series have set my collecting eyes towards some of these.
Again I thank you guys for the in depth videos… and as always, I still say May has the best job on the team. Also like to thank Bruno for all the amazing animations. I am no gunsmith, but I do like to understand the mechanics of these important pieces.
I love S&W revolvers. I learned to shoot on S&W revolvers. Went through the police academy with a S&W revolver. I carry a 1962 Chief special everyday (or a 1971 nickel plated model 49, or 1982 model 60 or 1974 model 60 or.... hehehe) . She has a lot of honest wear but never misses a beat, of course. They’re such great guns, my wife will toss a vintage J frame in my casket. I’ll never have the money to own all the models I NEED. Thank you so very much for doing this video. I wish it was 40 hours long and covered every model.
"But then the .455 caliber revolvers failed to get contracts as well, and seeing that it wasnt powerful enough, Smith and Wesson then developed the .44 Magnum, but while this was more powerful, it failed to entice the US Military due to being smaller than .45. Following this their new X-frame revolvers would chamber the .500 Magnum, a weapon to surpass the Mars pistol developed a few years ago, but the Ordanence department thought a 50 caliber would be too much, so to meet them in the middle the new model X-frame chambered the .460 Smith and Wesson cartridge, known as the XVR internally...."
Reports of a S&W team surreptitiously building a handgun based on the 37mm Hotchkiss revolving cylinder could not be reliably substantiated.
Plot twist: military adopts magnum research bfg’s in 45-70
@keith moore The 44 mag is awesome in its own right. Just the correct amount of too much. Just sayin.....as a man that owns a 1973 vintage model 29....(quietly chuckles to himself)
@keith moore You mean Elmer Keith. It was Elmer that hot rodded the 44 Special in Triple Lock revolvers and eventually worked with Remington to make a new cartridge and with Smith & Wesson to build a gun for it. He also worked on the 357 Magnum.
As to Jeff Cooper i recall he was well known for fancying 1911s rather than revolvers and later on praised the CZ75 despite not being a 45 which he was a proponent of as well.
@@Full_Otto_Bismarck Well, Jeff C. was getting on in years when he began to develop a bit of a thing for the CZ75 and its capacity for large numbers of bijou 9mm cartridges. The same sort of thing happened to me in my late fifties: An S&W Model 59, not elderly, but of 'a certain age,' sporting thick oversize custom cherry grip panels was slipped into my full size hand. She whispered 'Go ahead, I'll let you put a dozen in the black as fast as you can wiggle your finger, you will still have a few more left, and the thought 'arthritic fingers' won't even cross your mind .'
That little fat-butt Model 59 didn't cause any .44s or .45s to become homeless, but, though nothing on her rotates, she earned a place in the rotation.
Comment before I see this episode:
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD THIS IS THE EPISODE I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR EVER SINCE I SAW MY FIRST C&RSENAL EPISODE!
I FUDGING LOVE 3-LOCKS! [TEEN GIRL SQUEEEEE]
I've been waiting for an MP-40 episode...
Maybe I'll be able to watch it with my grandkids on the moon.
Yes! Now we're talking! And some very nice shooting with that 2nd model especially, Mae.
Oh ya! Finally my favorite handgun ever! I love my 1858 Remington new Army cartridge conversion. However you can't beat the feel of a Smith & Wesson
Just came across your channel. I am blown away. I know at the moment you've been focusing on WWI, but I would love to see a series that focuses solely on the history and evolution of Smith & Wesson revolvers.
*Lovingly holds model 629-6
“Look son it’s your great grand pa”
Same, for my 28-2 Highway Patrolman though.
@@JohnCBobcat *Holds S&W 1917* that's your dad, old girl.
*Holds Model 10* The granddaddy of all S&W hand ejectors
chrismc410 I love my model 1917
Awesome job Othias and Mae! Such a lovely episode. ❤️
Great, great revolver. I have coveted one for my collection for decades. In 2003 I purchased a S&W Performance Center Classic version of this gun. It wasn't cheap, but was a fraction of what an original cost. Virtually Identical, but for a color case hardened frame finish by Turnbull and the third lock is a little different in design.
I also have a few Colt's in my collection (I'm a S&W collector primarily but can't resist fine revolvers) and the Clockwise cylinder rotation that Colt went to largely fixed the problems S&W was trying to solve. This is why Colt's never needed a lock on the end of the ejector rod OR a shroud to prevent the ejector rod from being bent.
When a Colt revolver is fired, at the moment the trigger is pulled there is -0- play in the cylinder. Not so with a S&W. I love S&W revolvers and they are much more interesting from a collector's standpoint, but there is no denying Colt had a great mechanism also.
We didn’t receive any messages and Captain Blackadder definitely did not shoot the delicious plump breasted pigeon, sir.
SPECKLY! BAH! YOU SHOT MY SPECKLED JIM!
@@Isildun9 Your only childhood friend.
Lol Blackadder references are the best references
"Before we sentence the deceased, I mean the defendant... I think we would all rather enjoy hearing the case of the prosecution."
The sequence of big honkin' wheelguns is pleasing me deeply.
According to David Thomas' Master's dissertation on The Pistol in British Military Service in the Great War, England ordered 59,000 Hand Ejectors, and of Canada's 14,500, by the end of the war 7,000 had been transferred to England. These numbers were per the Ministry of Munitions Files at The National Archives.
Goddamnit Othais, it's starting to turn into Destiny 2 Exotic quests all over again: ALL THE HAND-CANNONS!
The All Hand-Cannon Channel.
"Hi, I'm Othais. And THIS...is Hawkmoon. Let's get it over to the lightbox."
You did this magnificent revolver justice. Even the cartridge is apply covered.
That was an excellent explanation of the triple lock’s mechanism.
It is crazy how much Othais loves this revolver. Settle down boy .....
Great history lesson accompanied with practical application.
Outstanding.
I absolutely love my 5" model 27-2. If it could only have had the triple lock, it would have been perfect!
What is the triple lock what does it do different
@@craigfinley2507 It was a third locking point on the crane that worked a little like the front locking point on my Ruger Redhawk. It isn't really necessary on my Smith, as it in perfect time, however the engineering of the triple lock to me is amazing.I once beheld one in .455 at a gun show, and it was a work of art. I did not have the funds to buy it, but the guy let me hold it.Something I will always remember.
As always many thanks Othias and Mae for your outstanding presentation. We owe much to Mr Gallands efforts in 1868 even to this day. Compared my new S&W Model 66-8 and old 65-6 as you did the 2nd & 3rd Models. On 66-8 the ejector rod shroud has returned and there is a sort of lock device on the crane into the frame, the ejector rod is solid like a Colt and without a lock at the tip of the rod. So whats new and latest and best was thought of more than 100 years ago.
I picked up a second model a few years ago. Yes, a wonderful gun and yes, covered with British proof marks.
Rechamber in 45LC at some point. Love it.
S&W Over-engineering solutions to problems before H&K. Does the & automatically direct your company to over engineering?
Counter argument. “Holland and Holland”
Sturm, Ruger & Company does overengineer sometimes, but not in the H&K way.
@@baker90338 Holland and Holland Over-engineering solutions are so British
@@hailexiao2770 Ruger doesn't over engineer things, the just make the sidewalls thicker... mostly cause they use garbage steel
What about Toyota?
i want one! Damnit C&Rsenal doing high quality videos that make me want cool expensive things!
It's taken so long but after finding this channel by accident about a month ago I've finally caught up! I'll be here from now on!
"beautiful kinesthenic joy" Love this guy!
I used to be biased toward Colt but kind of changed my tune with my 1917s.
Gosh. That's a lovely wheel gun. A beauty. Quick draw on the way. Nothing better than a firearm from Dr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.
I will forever be a Smith & Wesson guy. The cylinder latch is a big thing, but I just dislike the way every Colt I've handled stacks the trigger weight.
Great episode, folks. I may have something worthwhile for you to check out shortly
I felt the same as you mate, til I got a Python that a 'smith had worked his magic on and the single action break on that was light, crisp perfection. Nothing beat my 6"+half model 29 Smith tho ;-j
One of the reason for the Colt hammer bite is also the reason for the gap between the shooters hand - a grip filler was made during the middle of the 20th century called the Tyler “T” Grip, that filled the space behind the trigger guard. It was often found on experienced revolver shooters guns.
Another reason for that gap is soldiers wore heavy leather gloves. The gloves take up the slack
Registered Magnum fanboys are furiously banging away at their typewriters in response to Othais priasing the Triple-Lock as S&W's best ever.
Colt Python fanboys too take part in the typewriter smashing, albeit due to the Triple Lock sharing the claim of "finest revolver ever made".
And they both can be considered Correct !
Triple Lock - S&W's finest Design , combined with very good quality .
Registered Magnum - Over the top mfg quality , lots of bling details , but simplified design .
Another great video. Thank you for all the awesome information.
Well, I have both Colt and S&W vintage revolvers, and I'm as yet undecided which is my favouite. Love them all! Kind of leaning towards my Colt Army Special 38 as an "all around" great revolver... just because it's really smoooooooth… LOL Thanks for the vid!
I gotta agree with Othais and Mae’s preference for smiths over colts. I don’t have experience with these older wheel guns, but I have put a notable number of rounds through a smith & wesson .586 and a colt python. On paper, that Python should be the superior and more desirable gun, but honestly, the 586 handled better and shot better for me. The python was smooth, but there was just something about that smith that just did better for me.
Try timing a colt and keep one running very long and the Smith shows it's stuff, while the Colts show their ***es
The Holy grail Of Smith and Wesson revolvers
I have a third model .44 known as Wolf&Klar, that became available in 1926 as special order. Has ejector rod shroud and only about 5K made. Mine also has factory nickel finish and engraved as Christmas present to San Antonio police captain in 1930. Great shooter.
I really enjoy your informative, in-depth content. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I owned one of these once, it had been Fitz speacial treated short two inch barrel bobbed hammer but a full trigger guard old gun dated WW 1 in .45 acp accuracy was bad it was a belly gun but the action was smooth as glass.
I would love to see a video on revolver actions like you did with bolt actions. I find myself constantly going back to episodes and looking at how they got these revolvers to do the job
If C&Rensal were to to a book on these weapons they should do a lightbox on the internal workings of this handgun.
When you mentioned Crozier you really should have had your own Crozier out on the table. Don't mention him, just subtly have him there on the table.
Maybe a great headshot of the lol ol' pig.
Don't pry off the side plate. Hold the gun in the palm of your hand with the side plate facing up and your thumb lightly over the side plate. Use a wooden dowel or wooden hammer and give the area of the grip a sharp rap downward. A lead babbitt will work too. The plate will just pop off. A recommended course for you. Smith and Wesson's Armorer's School for revolvers. I completed the course many years ago along with the auto course when I worked at The Brunswick Gun Shop. We were a warranty repair shop for Smith and Wesson. I'm enjoying all of your historical research and history of these firearms.
Amazing how much the internals are still the same in their modern revolvers. Loved this and the next one. I watched in wrong order but still really enjoyed both 👍👍
I recently got a triple lock and did a video on it. I gave this video a shout out in the credits.
I didn’t know those had so much to them and it’s like a Swiss watch and now I want one someday and I will always will love the old wheel guns ❤
thanks guys! i have a new favorite revolver to look up!
Amazing film work and knowledge of subject! I am not a revolver fan but looking at how they work inside... Wow!
35:15 "third of four part" I'm OK with 3rd of 14 part, just saying. 😉
Smith and Wesson makes the finest firearms for the money. Their warranty is second to none.
those sketches of the no. 2 double action are so fucking cool. damn
Absolutely disgusting that Victor claims copyright over music that is in the public domain.
I would love to get a try with that triple lock. As a Smith Fan who still carries a model 66 combat magnum everyday as a primary gun (on duty as a LE officer) I would love to see how they compare to my beloved.
Sweet! My department issued M64 S&W revolvers until 2017 (switched to Glocks). I did my whole 21 year career with them. Glocks are ok, I still prefer the revolvers . they fit my hands betterand could be real tack drivers.
@@jeffreyroot7346 My dept. issues whatever they happen to have on hand but allows officers to carry whatever they want if they provide it. We are a small rural agency with an even smaller budget. Trick is they only buy the Ammo if its in 9, 40, or .38. Anything else and its up to you to buy the duty ammo. I choose to carry the 66. I also carry a M&P 40 if I am expecting big trouble or go on warrants and we always have an AR and a shotgun in the rack if needed.
You gotta Love those old school wheelguns with the thinner barrel. I just find the modern heavy Barrel Revolver and the rubber grips not as asthetical pleasing. Excuse my english please. Its Not my first language.
BavarianPanzerBallett nothing much wrong with your English - it makes sense.
Thanks
I think it depends. Give me a s&w victory any day of the week vs a post 1950 Model 10. i mean functually the most modern revolvers are pretty similar to the old ones. Theres a reason why most police Departements in america went straight from these old revolvers to Semi-Automatic. There isnt to much of a diffrence.
@keith moore What's the difference? I was trained and issued Model 10 and Model 64s for over 20 years ( my department only switched to Glocks the year I retired in 2017. They are good guns!
Jeffrey Root isn’t there a Studie that states that most citizen involved shootings are over in 2-3 shots. Doesn’t that mean that a revolver can be a viable option today?
If any gun could be ASMR it’s this one.
These old revolvers are amazing machines.
After World War I, I believe it was Remington which bought back lots of the 2nd Models from the Brits and bored them out to shoot .45 Long Colt, and sold them on the U.S. commercial market. I bought one in the '60s and joyously shot it for many years. Indeed a beautiful revolver. The only things I did not like were the grips, which were too small for my hands.
Mae hits on the reason that I prefer a Smith over the Colt. The grip shape of the 1917 Smith fits my hand better than any other. The Colt has too deep of an arch behind the trigger. I bunch up on a Colt. A Tyler Tee grip is required.
I've got one of the Mk. II models and it must be an early one, has bluing about on par with that triple lock. Still have yet to shoot it due partly to issues sourcing .455, but one of these days I'll find the time to use the .455 I finally got in it. I will say though, mine seems to have a particularly heavy hammer spring, making the trigger not quite on par with the Russian 1895, but not far from it. Still smooth, but quite heavy, I want to say my trigger scale put it at somewhere near 14 lbs., just 6 lbs. lighter than my 1904 Tula Refurb Model 1895. At least my beloved Victory Model makes up for that with it's shootability, both in ammo and action.
Well, well, well. After getting inspired and digging the thing out, turns out I was wrong about that trigger spring. Must've confused it with my more modern production (arguably re-production) Model 57 classic, which was so stiff I had to change the mainspring. The problem of having too many revolvers (though many of them are Italian made, of the 1870's Western persuasion). I was right about the bluing, though it is quite worn. Interestingly, I popped it open to oil it while I had it out and it does have the chafing pins that Othias says were omitted in the Mk. II. Makes me wonder if they and the bluing were a further simplification part way through production of the Mk. II. Based on the fact that I'm looking at a 4 digit number on the butt, cylinder, and barrel, I'd say my recollection that it was early production (for the Mk. II) was spot on.
I just picked up a 44 2nd Model Hand Ejector for a steal of a price and I am beyond excited to go out and shoot it. The Triple Lock is my Holy Grail of revolvers though and I am crossing my fingers I will find one for a decent price someday. Anyways excellent video! I just subscribed
None of the pre war .44 HE are really sleepers .
But particularly post 1928 mfg with improved heat treatment , they are actually stronger than Triple Locks .
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I prefer the Colt-style release myself, but I have weird hands. My thumb can't get enough leverage on the S&W style to apply enough force to release it And maintain my firing grip, so since I have to shift my grip anyway to engage the release the Colt is easier for me since with the S&W I have to shift the gun to one side which is awkward but with the Colt I just tilt it back in my hand kinda like how I'm used to doing when cocking the hammer.
Well ROK Military hasn't had much involvement with revolvers - most likely due to the HUGE numbers of Colt automatics *ahem ahem* that we received as military aid. However, one thing that is interesting is that some have been adopted for high ranking officers - though I'm not sure if it's all Colts or Wessons. Thanks for more wheely pistols!
- Jack the Korean Gun Nut.
"A kinesthetic joy". A phrase that is unequivocal. Then he drools over the bluing. Maybe he likes it ? Then he speaks well about overengineering.
Opening up the working bits makes it look more like watchmaking.
Then Mae drools some herself. Hope you guys went for a bite to eat afterwards.
Nope, more range time. :)
8:26 It's that darn guinea pig again !
Big fan of Mae !
Oooh I am dripping with excitement at this vid.
I guess there’s a reason why Jerry Miculek has Guinness records using S&W revolvers...
We really need episodes solely on the development of ammunition, from the dawn of the metallic cartridge to the end of the First World War.
I have my great grandfather’s Triple Lock that he had when he was a sheriff
Thanks again for a lovely episode. You can tell that Mae doesn't like the Smiths The big grin as she fires, the groups that would blow the bejesus out of an adversary. Please tell us that Mae out shot Othias with these beautiful pieces of art. ??? What,? No comments from Othias??? Remind me again that I don't want to make Mae mad at me. Thanks and Keep up the good works.
great great video thank you
I've been eyeballing and fondling every N-Frame I can get my hands on for the past few months, just waiting to have the money...this episode is not helping! I need a big bore Smith in my life!
I'm now picturing the pistol being fired out of that Chevy.
If I can find a 8 3/8 in half lug 629, my life would be complete. For now, my only N-Frames are a 6 1/2 in. 629 and my 1917. Yes, I could get a Blackhawk or Redhawk in 9 1/2 in. and I have nothing against Ruger revolvers and admire their strength but a tuned S&W action has to be felt and experienced.
The action needs the Thunderbird music as it operates just to open the cylinder..... thankfully it is not Atomic Powered.
As usual. Splendid production.
Mae.... she's so doggone cute.
The word ELEY .455 is pronounced EEELEY over here in the UK, well thats the way my friends and I have always said it lol.
I also have a .44 Mag L frame Model 69 which brings back a yoke lock in form of a detent.
May is borrowing a page from Les Nessman from WKRP in Cincinnati. In every episode, shes wearing a different bandage of one type of another. Very funny for a gunslinger.
Eventually settled on just taping it. Couldn't get the bandaid to hold on.
The triple-lock is like a supercar. And you'd never take a supercar to a rally race.
I wish Smith would bring them back.
The Ruger Redhawk is the modern ideation of the Triple Lock.
@keith moore They do actually, they reintroduced old models in limited numbers a while ago, called the Classic line lol. They're making models 10, 17, 19, 25, 27, 29, 36, 48, and 57, though unfortunately they all have locks.
@@williamkeith8944
I have a Redhawk and a TL, there is no comparison.
10:45 ahh, the smith hammer rebound spring...good memories, good memories. 🤣🤪😱
26:29 "Flight to Nepal " by John Williams plays
Damn. Late even for Australia
Haven't we seen Joseph Weeson some place else? His picture looks so familiar....
Ah, early 20th Century S&W Revolvers. The inspiration and reason for my obsessions with these models stem from a love of Disneyland and The Jungle Cruise. Though I have my doubts on how effective a double tap would be for disrupting an angry Hippopotamus in real life.
Othias/may. I was watching the mummy returns and noticed Rick (Brendon Fraser) brandishing a familiar silhouette. Sure enough, I had to come comment here immediately.