I bought ‘magnesium’ pencil sharpeners from Amazon to create emergency kits to start a fire with flint, magnesium and wood shavings. Unfortunately even though the listing stated it was magnesium four times, the shavings did not burn. I used your video to verify the ‘magnesium’ pencil sharpeners from China, were in fact aluminum. I watched you light the magnesium, and was a little optimistic since your magnesium shavings took a little effort to ignite and they burned fairly quickly, but not the big flash that I expected. My attempt to ignite the shavings was unsuccessful but I only held a butane grill lighter to the shavings for about 5 seconds, so I thought that maybe I didn’t try hard enough to light the shavings. However, I then put vinegar on a pencil sharpener and got no reaction at all pooling vinegar on the aluminum sharpener for 30 seconds.
Great Question, The argon is an inert environment during the welding process. It is one of the few welding processes that is inert and other processes such as mig, stick and gas welding will definitely allow the magnesium to ignite. Thanks for watching -Mr. TIG
Amazingly simple and easy to watch video. Thanks. Needed to work out what type of anode is currently on my boat. Apparently I just need some vinegar. Who would have thought lol. 🙏
Thank you! I watched a lot of videos including teardown videos where the person doesn't know if this casting is magnesium or aluminum. Big mystery, unsolvable. Actually you got two ways of figuring it out. I like the vinegar method better. WWII incindery bombs were little dominoes of magnesium that was lit by gunpowder. Thousands would fall away from the bombshell and burn for many minutes. Magnesium lit this way will even burn underwater. So it cannot be put out using water. Thanks again for this simple and useful technique.
You can also do a density measurement. Magnesium is significantly lighter than aluminum (or any other metal you'll likely touch). Easy to measure density with water displacement for volume and known density charts. Of course, there's alloys that can come into the mix, but at least this way you can also know how pure your magnesium is
First off pyrophoric means it ignites on contact with air. Secondly, aluminum is indeed pyrophoric and there a many people out there who can attest to seeing that firsthand. Readily flammable is a better way to say it.
Mr. TIG, I'm in the process of learning TIG welding, but my biggest challenge is choosing a correct rod (type/size), heats setting and tungsten diameter. Do you know/recommend any book that can be used as a reference guide that shows you how to identify metals, choose the type of rod/ tungsten & tips and tricks to weld the metal you are working on. Example (correct me if I'm wrong)Stainless is welded on DC- low heat/fast/purged to avoid distortion and change in mechanical properties. Thanks
Mr. TIG does it pay to use ER316L to weld all types of Stainless steel rather than use ER308L which won't work on 316L material or do you have another preference?
Thank you, Wyatt. It was my question, ha ha. What a great demo. So, if a weak acid causes a reaction, won't the acid rain environment we live in cause gradual destruction of magnesium casings? I believe my GM transfer case is a magnesium alloy. More videos like this would be excellent. I keep hearing about other metals like Chro/molly and 308SS, etc, but in the field I'm only guessing....
Well, I have rims for karting that I know for a fact that are made of magnesium, and I’ve tested them with vinegar and nothing happened, maybe because they are painted in black and therefore the vinegar doesn’t touch the magnesium directly? 🤔
Mr.Tig,thanks for ur info,i have a question is it possible if i mixed zinc (99,99%purity) and magnesium (99,99%) ini order to make a better anode protection to protect iron media?please advise...
"aluminum is not pyrophoric, so it should not burn" Well that's not what Pyrophoricity mean's (substance that will ignite spontaneously in air) and yes vary finely divided aluminum is pyrophoric. Also aluminum will "burn", if ignition source was hot enough and the concentration of oxygen was sufficient to fuel the reaction.
You're f*king with me; if you look at the aluminum sample... @ 1:03 no vinegar @ 1:08 vinegar @ 1:11 no vinegar then @ 1:38 you pour some on, strange editing. Thanks for the tips though!
Why can't I ignite my magnesium? Apparently it MUST be magnesium because it reacted with some household vinegar. I've tried with a cigarette lighter, but still that won't work.
Driven by the energy revolution, China's magnesium alloys have become more and more widely used due to their good lightweight effect of applied product components, significant energy saving and emission reduction effects, and China's magnesium alloy technology level has also caught up with the world's technology level, and developed a number of New magnesium alloy materials such as high-strength and high-plastic cast magnesium alloys, ultra-high-strength and high-plastic deformed magnesium alloys, and low-cost high-strength and high-plastic magnesium alloys have made great progress in the preparation of high-quality components and asymmetric processing technologies for deformed materials.
aluminum will burn. it is a major component of thermite. it requires a hot ignition source such as phosphorous or ironically magnesium. even steel will burn under these circumstances. be very careful with class d (metal) fires they cannot be put out with water or regular fire extguishers. great litmus test for metallurgy though. thanks.
what makes it not burn when you weld it? The gas? Cause I once threw a firecracker at a co worker that was welding and it caugt on fire and scared the shit out of him! and if then a match can put magnesium on fire, how cant welding?
I bought ‘magnesium’ pencil sharpeners from Amazon to create emergency kits to start a fire with flint, magnesium and wood shavings. Unfortunately even though the listing stated it was magnesium four times, the shavings did not burn. I used your video to verify the ‘magnesium’ pencil sharpeners from China, were in fact aluminum.
I watched you light the magnesium, and was a little optimistic since your magnesium shavings took a little effort to ignite and they burned fairly quickly, but not the big flash that I expected.
My attempt to ignite the shavings was unsuccessful but I only held a butane grill lighter to the shavings for about 5 seconds, so I thought that maybe I didn’t try hard enough to light the shavings. However, I then put vinegar on a pencil sharpener and got no reaction at all pooling vinegar on the aluminum sharpener for 30 seconds.
this is the best explanation in whole internet! Thank You!
Great Question, The argon is an inert environment during the welding process. It is one of the few welding processes that is inert and other processes such as mig, stick and gas welding will definitely allow the magnesium to ignite. Thanks for watching
-Mr. TIG
Love the video! Simple without a lot of extra detail. And everybody likes fire!
Amazingly simple and easy to watch video. Thanks. Needed to work out what type of anode is currently on my boat. Apparently I just need some vinegar. Who would have thought lol. 🙏
I had completely forgotten about these. tyvm
Answered my question perfectly thanks
Good night friends
Hey Doug, good test. Thanks again Doug.
Thank you!
I watched a lot of videos including teardown videos where the person doesn't know if this casting is magnesium or aluminum. Big mystery, unsolvable.
Actually you got two ways of figuring it out. I like the vinegar method better. WWII incindery bombs were little dominoes of magnesium that was lit by gunpowder.
Thousands would fall away from the bombshell and burn for many minutes.
Magnesium lit this way will even burn underwater. So it cannot be put out using water.
Thanks again for this simple and useful technique.
Some magnesium alloys are virtually non-flammable and very resistant to acid.
You can also do a density measurement. Magnesium is significantly lighter than aluminum (or any other metal you'll likely touch). Easy to measure density with water displacement for volume and known density charts. Of course, there's alloys that can come into the mix, but at least this way you can also know how pure your magnesium is
First off pyrophoric means it ignites on contact with air.
Secondly, aluminum is indeed pyrophoric and there a many people out there who can attest to seeing that firsthand.
Readily flammable is a better way to say it.
Now for the difference in how to weld the two different metals!
Brilliant thank you so much just bought some magnesium sticks but wasn't sure how to tell.
Excellent Mr.!!! it help me a lot
Thanks very much! Used this test to check a hot water system sacrificial anode I'd been sent.
Good video man thanks for showing us
Can you pls explain how can we seperate aluminium flakes from magnesium flakes....if they're mix together
Mr. TIG,
I'm in the process of learning TIG welding, but my biggest challenge is choosing a correct rod (type/size), heats setting and tungsten diameter. Do you know/recommend any book that can be used as a reference guide that shows you how to identify metals, choose the type of rod/ tungsten & tips and tricks to weld the metal you are working on. Example (correct me if I'm wrong)Stainless is welded on DC- low heat/fast/purged to avoid distortion and change in mechanical properties.
Thanks
Awesome, thanks for the video.
Recurve bow handle which one is better..die cast aluminium or die cast magnesium alloy?
Are you aware of other metal that reacts to vinegar?
thanx for the info,I love your video!
How would you go about removing magnesium rust from magnesium alloy block?
this video has been super helpful thanks
Good video for lern a few more of differents metals for weld
are there other ways to repair Mg castings other than TIG?
Hello Sir , please share some video about how to determine zinc from aluminium and silicon from aluminium
Thanks for this video
Mr. TIG does it pay to use ER316L to weld all types of Stainless steel rather than use ER308L which won't work on 316L material or do you have another preference?
Thank you, Wyatt. It was my question, ha ha. What a great demo. So, if a weak acid causes a reaction, won't the acid rain environment we live in cause gradual destruction of magnesium casings? I believe my GM transfer case is a magnesium alloy.
More videos like this would be excellent. I keep hearing about other metals like Chro/molly and 308SS, etc, but in the field I'm only guessing....
yeah, that's why when old Mag alloy wheels lose there protective lacquer they oxidize.
Thank You
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Well, I have rims for karting that I know for a fact that are made of magnesium, and I’ve tested them with vinegar and nothing happened, maybe because they are painted in black and therefore the vinegar doesn’t touch the magnesium directly? 🤔
Also how do you determine when a metal is too hot and how should it be annealed correctly to avoid changing its mechanical properties.
Thanks again
Thanks for this! Great info!
Mr.Tig,thanks for ur info,i have a question is it possible if i mixed zinc (99,99%purity) and magnesium (99,99%) ini order to make a better anode protection to protect iron media?please advise...
Very helpful video. Thank you.
CandyHam Always a pleasure. Thanks for watching.
thanks, the thing with the vinegar was yet unknown to me, definitely better than burning that stuff :-)
thanks its a big help
"aluminum is not pyrophoric, so it should not burn" Well that's not what Pyrophoricity mean's (substance that will ignite spontaneously in air) and yes vary finely divided aluminum is pyrophoric. Also aluminum will "burn", if ignition source was hot enough and the concentration of oxygen was sufficient to fuel the reaction.
You're f*king with me; if you look at the aluminum sample...
@ 1:03 no vinegar
@ 1:08 vinegar
@ 1:11 no vinegar
then
@ 1:38 you pour some on, strange editing.
Thanks for the tips though!
theomnipresent1 you’re right, at the very beginning, there’s vinegar on the aluminum - and then there isn’t. Weird editing.
@@melgross it is those weird Editors.......
Great thanks.
Can you weld aluminum to magnesium?
Can mix metal aluminium and magnicium ?
it is called 5000 series aluminum
Which equipments are made with magnesium
old VW transaxle cases
@@ypaulbrown tnx for review
Hi mr tig ... I have power pro256. You swap cables by CK ..what is the number .# item ..can tell me . Thanks mr tig
Damnn.. awesome video... thanks guys to save us tons of money..
Why can't I ignite my magnesium? Apparently it MUST be magnesium because it reacted with some household vinegar.
I've tried with a cigarette lighter, but still that won't work.
Try shavings of it. It's like trying to set fire to a tree versus kindles.
thanks man no bs 👍
pyrophoric does not mean flammable, it means self-igniting
So I gotta pour vinegar on my wheels and light them on fire to fine out what they're made out of. Got it
makes for a great 4th of July celebration too
Thank you now i know!!
Driven by the energy revolution, China's magnesium alloys have become more and more widely used due to their good lightweight effect of applied product components, significant energy saving and emission reduction effects, and China's magnesium alloy technology level has also caught up with the world's technology level, and developed a number of New magnesium alloy materials such as high-strength and high-plastic cast magnesium alloys, ultra-high-strength and high-plastic deformed magnesium alloys, and low-cost high-strength and high-plastic magnesium alloys have made great progress in the preparation of high-quality components and asymmetric processing technologies for deformed materials.
aluminum will burn. it is a major component of thermite. it requires a hot ignition source such as phosphorous or ironically magnesium. even steel will burn under these circumstances. be very careful with class d (metal) fires they cannot be put out with water or regular fire extguishers. great litmus test for metallurgy though. thanks.
can you weld magniesium with aluminum filler
No
@@motoz3939 correct
How do you identify zinc from aluminium
weight and melting temperature , also when it boils, about 1,700 degree f, it leave a white smoke
You also don't put water on a magnesium fire!
Burning or shaving to verify ? Nice
sounds like
Can you weld magnesium?
yes.
+1. Thank you
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What about a spark test?
that does work, nice white bright sparks come off magnesium
It's very light in weight it's simple
magnesium 1/4 the weight of steel, aluminum is 1/3 the weight of steel
aluminum plus iron oxide = thermite!
what makes it not burn when you weld it? The gas? Cause I once threw a firecracker at a co worker that was welding and it caugt on fire and scared the shit out of him! and if then a match can put magnesium on fire, how cant welding?
I would guess the lack of oxygen due to shielding gas.
@@krusher74 you are correct
3:36 put some rust in it :) .
@yo lo makes thermite