@@aureliencostabeber8532 heres a tip, the PL-5 is side/rear aspect. Use radar slaving for it and itll make your life 10x easier. With the radar slaving, you can get damn near all aspect shots with it.
@@therealavenger3537 i play since 11years and have a k/d of more than 3 with the J-7E, i know exactly how to use it , radar slaving is a bad idea cause it'll warn the ennemy and the PL-5B isn't that hard to flare
There’s a few planes that should have gotten fox-3s that didnt and im assuming Gaijin is trying to make everyone grind new shit before giving the rest of their planes their proper armaments in the next wave of fox-3s. This is copium btw but still
@@thatoneguy1741 Yeah I would prefer that J10 over another F16, massively so. But that would mean Gaijin couldnt copy/paste something but put real development work in for a new plane. So Im afraid that if they have the choice, they would rather go CTRL C/CTRL V.
Taiwanese here, they should move the F-16 up and slot in F-CK-1, a domestically produced fighter equipped with our own active radar missile the TC-2. It probably performs worse than AMRAAM so it would be fine in lower BR.
Just so you know, the way you are playing J-8F is wrong. J-8F is best suited for 5000m+. look at 5:15, you are gaining 0.01 mach every second while climbing through 8000m. If you level off at 5700m and aceelerate, you can easily reach Mach 1.8 at 5700m (and rip yourself, 1.75 to be safe), you can even almost sustain that speed in supersonic break turn. Thus you can fire a very energetic PL-12 at ridiculously long range with a zoom climb (you can fire as far as Aim54 while in this state, ~35km). Also, I've won a supersonic BVR engagement against a F-15 in J-8F, and not losing to F-15 for half minute in a downward spiral grinding down to the deck, F-15 eventually got altitude advantage over me since its a gen 4 afterall, but he panicked and gone vertical before I hit the deck and subsequently lost to me. But that's something, not every 3rd gen fighters can do that against F-15A. J-8F is like AE86 in a downhill, you want to minimize every energy loss and hold on to your existing energy, since it still has the engine of 3rd gen fighter.
@@alphacentaurivenus8037datalink channels don't matter much especially not enough to warrant a BR increase MiG-29SMT can stay where it is J-8F with PL-12's is now equal to old MiG-29 which is at 12.0 with way better flight model and 2x R-27ER's and 4x R-60M's J-8F only now got 2x PL-12's and paired with PL-8's / Python 3's which is kinda mid and no IRCCM So it's essentially a worse then MiG-29 but at 0.3 higher BR lol Now back to Datalink channels... They don't matter a whole lot because they only allow communication with the missile to update it's course in TWS mode while missile travels to get into Pitbull mode This doesn't matter much because the meta and most of the times you will be firing missiles just outside pitbull range or way within pitbull range so you won't even use datalink channels AT ALL So i just don't care about datalink channels because i don't do BVR... and BVR ranges are according to google 37km and above... but let's say it's 20km and above Pitbull range of Fox-3's are like 16km or somethin' ... so yeah Maps are small that most of what people call BVR in the game is actually WVR Lmao
I recommend all J8 players that you try and ambush enemies more and stay off their radar, ofc the radar guided AAMs are a nice thing to have, but against F16, F15 or Su27s the J8f bleeds much more energy so using the pythons at a closer range while taking them by surprise is a much more reliable strategy given the incredibly versatile IR missiles.
J8f in a nutshell you have 2 fox3 better make it work then in dogfights you do have HMD but you have 1 bad turn and 2 good turn before you fall out of the sky
I think at really really long range it’s now better than the AMRAAM (because it’s heavier so it has better inertia) but most the time, you never really see those ranges so as of now I believe the AMRAAM is still better. The AAM4 isn’t dogshit anymore though
Tried BVR in my British JAS39C. It’s not impossible but I am used to visual range. I keep getting shot down by F16s the AIM120s are a God send to the American teams I must say
Personal experience is after sticking to defend moves plus chaffs once missile warning comes on (or someone locks you for too long), I rarely got shot down by 120 or any active radar mssl bvr. The biggest thing to watch is how defending puts you at a disadvantage (say force you away from the fight or forcing you too low) and choosing the right moment to fighting back. I still get shot down by them at ~10 km range when they hard lock but it's a different story.
I can hop into the jas39c and still wreck after flying the F-15C. The gripen is a close range monster with the endless countermeasures, and good missiles
@@shikikanaz4624 used it to grind out the j11a, personally i find it pretty good, can win some tws fights plus very solid for hardlocks. good luck with it.
Only thing I know is that this flying log turns way harder than it should. Has the aerodynamic profile of an F-104 with slightly larger tail fins and yet it can pull crazy AOA. I don’t know I’m not an expert. I just have serious doubts it can perform like that in reality.
It's profile is more like a scaled up Mig 21, it has a Double Delta wing which is why it can pull so hard. It's much larger than the f104, and it's wings are massive, you just can't tell when looking at it without a reference
@@rubotok3703 oh I know it’s big I just think even with its size it turns way too hard. The ratio of its fuselage to wing size would suggest it cuts through the air more than it grabs it. Planes like the F-15 that have wide body’s and large wing surface areas should grab the air. Planes like the mirage have small fuselages and comparatively large wing surface areas. Both these design types promote planes that when turning grab a lot of air friction, causing them to slow and turn. The mig-21 style isn’t a dart that flies like the F-104, but compared to most other plane designs, it’s certainly the closest. I just feel that at certain speeds, the plane should not be pulling as hard as it does. Once again. I’m not an expert. It’s just my best educated opinion.
@@corybrown2197 Aye the mig 21 was known, partially, for it's surprising manoeuvrability, when it comes to the AOA a plane is capable of, there's a couple factors to take into account, and im no expert either, but i believe it's cause of the Pivot Points, or when your centre of mass is, essentially, if your wings are at the centre of mass or infront of the centre of mass you are less stable but can pull more AOA, for example the Mig 21, the f16, the j8, while planes with their wings behind the centre of mass are more stable but don't turn as well, think mostly bombers like the Vulcan. So the actual fuselage doesn't necessarily matter, but the wings and the placement of the wings does. Canard btw, are basically small wings at the front of the aircraft to make instability to allow more AOA
@@rubotok3703 all true but it had surprising maneuverability in an age where its competition was an F-4. Which is a great plane in its own right. But not exactly a king of maneuvering on the spectrum of plane designs until now.
@@corybrown2197 that does come down to doctrine and aeronautic research tbf, china only really had the Mig 21, Mig 19, Mig 15 and Mig 17 to develop their own designs, and the Mig 21 being the most recent one held the most weight in design philosophy, so the idea of making it a bus for missiles really didn't cross their mind. It was "We have to make a mig 21 but faster and just as maneuverable, by the by they only had early Mig 21s, not the Bis, so they had the lighter and maneuverable ones to work off. The F4 was designed from a completely different philosophy, it was about the future of air combat, the missile, and making an airframe with the most room for carrying those, and the most room for modification for future missiles
Aim-120’s are so damn good it’s literally insane
When AIm120A is better then Aim120C (AAM4):
dont even see them, aim-54's get me before the furball is even made
@@camilorodriguez5602cuz the furball doesn’t form anymore, thank goodness
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 or Aim-120D (RB99) but that's bc gaijin just made all the 120 the same
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 The AAM-4 is not a 120 its quite a bit bigger.
Stick grind with 2 PL-5B OMEGALUL
Mega skill issue if you struggle with PL-5s
@@therealavenger3537 it's a rear aspect ir missile , while others have all aspect with sometime IRCCM with fox1 & 3
@@aureliencostabeber8532 heres a tip, the PL-5 is side/rear aspect. Use radar slaving for it and itll make your life 10x easier. With the radar slaving, you can get damn near all aspect shots with it.
@@therealavenger3537 i play since 11years and have a k/d of more than 3 with the J-7E, i know exactly how to use it , radar slaving is a bad idea cause it'll warn the ennemy and the PL-5B isn't that hard to flare
They added stock amraams and pl8s now
China should’ve gotten AMRAAMs and 9M’s on its f16 this patch
Or the J10, the home made light fighter
There’s a few planes that should have gotten fox-3s that didnt and im assuming Gaijin is trying to make everyone grind new shit before giving the rest of their planes their proper armaments in the next wave of fox-3s. This is copium btw but still
No
@@thatoneguy1741 Yeah I would prefer that J10 over another F16, massively so. But that would mean Gaijin couldnt copy/paste something but put real development work in for a new plane. So Im afraid that if they have the choice, they would rather go CTRL C/CTRL V.
Taiwanese here, they should move the F-16 up and slot in F-CK-1, a domestically produced fighter equipped with our own active radar missile the TC-2. It probably performs worse than AMRAAM so it would be fine in lower BR.
Just so you know, the way you are playing J-8F is wrong.
J-8F is best suited for 5000m+. look at 5:15, you are gaining 0.01 mach every second while climbing through 8000m.
If you level off at 5700m and aceelerate, you can easily reach Mach 1.8 at 5700m (and rip yourself, 1.75 to be safe), you can even almost sustain that speed in supersonic break turn. Thus you can fire a very energetic PL-12 at ridiculously long range with a zoom climb (you can fire as far as Aim54 while in this state, ~35km).
Also, I've won a supersonic BVR engagement against a F-15 in J-8F, and not losing to F-15 for half minute in a downward spiral grinding down to the deck, F-15 eventually got altitude advantage over me since its a gen 4 afterall, but he panicked and gone vertical before I hit the deck and subsequently lost to me.
But that's something, not every 3rd gen fighters can do that against F-15A.
J-8F is like AE86 in a downhill, you want to minimize every energy loss and hold on to your existing energy, since it still has the engine of 3rd gen fighter.
PL-12 is like 6km frontal launch max while AIM-120 is a pocket Phoenix
It should be at 12.0 as it has two fox 3
Both this, the F-4F ICE, and MiG-29SMT should be lowered in br slightly.
@@bwhittv1446 i think not as they posses good missiles especially ice and j8f doesn't even has iccrm missiles.
@@bwhittv1446 mig 29smt is good at 13.0 it has 4 datalink channels now
@@alphacentaurivenus8037datalink channels don't matter much especially not enough to warrant a BR increase
MiG-29SMT can stay where it is
J-8F with PL-12's is now equal to old MiG-29 which is at 12.0 with way better flight model and 2x R-27ER's and 4x R-60M's
J-8F only now got 2x PL-12's and paired with PL-8's / Python 3's which is kinda mid and no IRCCM
So it's essentially a worse then MiG-29 but at 0.3 higher BR lol
Now back to Datalink channels...
They don't matter a whole lot because they only allow communication with the missile to update it's course in TWS mode while missile travels to get into Pitbull mode
This doesn't matter much because the meta and most of the times you will be firing missiles just outside pitbull range or way within pitbull range so you won't even use datalink channels AT ALL
So i just don't care about datalink channels because i don't do BVR... and BVR ranges are according to google 37km and above... but let's say it's 20km and above
Pitbull range of Fox-3's are like 16km or somethin' ... so yeah
Maps are small that most of what people call BVR in the game is actually WVR Lmao
@@bwhittv1446 smt is one of the most modern planes in the game it just needs a better fox 3
I recommend all J8 players that you try and ambush enemies more and stay off their radar, ofc the radar guided AAMs are a nice thing to have, but against F16, F15 or Su27s the J8f bleeds much more energy so using the pythons at a closer range while taking them by surprise is a much more reliable strategy given the incredibly versatile IR missiles.
Oh! It gets TWS now? It didn’t have it before
The J-11B used the PL-12
I love how Mat has withdrawals when he doesn’t shoot at 50 km 😂😂
LMAO How is this the same BR as the F-15A
Nah the Harriers at the same br are just better
The American and Italian ones. The British Harrier still only gets the AIM9Ms
but its 11.7 so its still a better experience
@@camilorodriguez5602The J-8F got moved to 12.3
Try the kfir c7 i want to see it in action
J8f in a nutshell you have 2 fox3 better make it work then in dogfights you do have HMD but you have 1 bad turn and 2 good turn before you fall out of the sky
Mat can you do a video about your thoughts if the eurofighter should come next update
Is aam4 still really bad? Even after the updates or just stats??
I think at really really long range it’s now better than the AMRAAM (because it’s heavier so it has better inertia) but most the time, you never really see those ranges so as of now I believe the AMRAAM is still better. The AAM4 isn’t dogshit anymore though
Tried BVR in my British JAS39C. It’s not impossible but I am used to visual range. I keep getting shot down by F16s the AIM120s are a God send to the American teams I must say
Personal experience is after sticking to defend moves plus chaffs once missile warning comes on (or someone locks you for too long), I rarely got shot down by 120 or any active radar mssl bvr. The biggest thing to watch is how defending puts you at a disadvantage (say force you away from the fight or forcing you too low) and choosing the right moment to fighting back.
I still get shot down by them at ~10 km range when they hard lock but it's a different story.
I can hop into the jas39c and still wreck after flying the F-15C. The gripen is a close range monster with the endless countermeasures, and good missiles
i play china and this'll be my first radar homing jet so ill probably struggle lol (i didnt grind the f16 and waiting for sale for j11)
@@shikikanaz4624 used it to grind out the j11a, personally i find it pretty good, can win some tws fights plus very solid for hardlocks. good luck with it.
Day #1 of asking MatAWG to make a review about the Israeli Kfir Canard
its an good grinder since you can get 2 bases
@@QuackQuackR6 uhh no you cant
Go play german mig29g at 12.7
Only thing I know is that this flying log turns way harder than it should.
Has the aerodynamic profile of an F-104 with slightly larger tail fins and yet it can pull crazy AOA.
I don’t know I’m not an expert. I just have serious doubts it can perform like that in reality.
It's profile is more like a scaled up Mig 21, it has a Double Delta wing which is why it can pull so hard. It's much larger than the f104, and it's wings are massive, you just can't tell when looking at it without a reference
@@rubotok3703 oh I know it’s big I just think even with its size it turns way too hard. The ratio of its fuselage to wing size would suggest it cuts through the air more than it grabs it. Planes like the F-15 that have wide body’s and large wing surface areas should grab the air. Planes like the mirage have small fuselages and comparatively large wing surface areas. Both these design types promote planes that when turning grab a lot of air friction, causing them to slow and turn.
The mig-21 style isn’t a dart that flies like the F-104, but compared to most other plane designs, it’s certainly the closest.
I just feel that at certain speeds, the plane should not be pulling as hard as it does.
Once again. I’m not an expert. It’s just my best educated opinion.
@@corybrown2197 Aye the mig 21 was known, partially, for it's surprising manoeuvrability, when it comes to the AOA a plane is capable of, there's a couple factors to take into account, and im no expert either, but i believe it's cause of the Pivot Points, or when your centre of mass is, essentially, if your wings are at the centre of mass or infront of the centre of mass you are less stable but can pull more AOA, for example the Mig 21, the f16, the j8, while planes with their wings behind the centre of mass are more stable but don't turn as well, think mostly bombers like the Vulcan.
So the actual fuselage doesn't necessarily matter, but the wings and the placement of the wings does.
Canard btw, are basically small wings at the front of the aircraft to make instability to allow more AOA
@@rubotok3703 all true but it had surprising maneuverability in an age where its competition was an F-4. Which is a great plane in its own right. But not exactly a king of maneuvering on the spectrum of plane designs until now.
@@corybrown2197 that does come down to doctrine and aeronautic research tbf, china only really had the Mig 21, Mig 19, Mig 15 and Mig 17 to develop their own designs, and the Mig 21 being the most recent one held the most weight in design philosophy, so the idea of making it a bus for missiles really didn't cross their mind. It was "We have to make a mig 21 but faster and just as maneuverable, by the by they only had early Mig 21s, not the Bis, so they had the lighter and maneuverable ones to work off.
The F4 was designed from a completely different philosophy, it was about the future of air combat, the missile, and making an airframe with the most room for carrying those, and the most room for modification for future missiles
Gaijin: Made in China what do u expect？
nice
East Taiwan has some really cool planes this update