The Most Disturbing Painting
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Jay Scott Morgan, "The Mystery of Goya's "Saturn"
New England Review (1990-), Vol. 22, No. 3 (Summer, 2001), pp. 39-43
Robert Hughes, "Goya's Unflinching Eye"
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Shana Thompson, Caitlin Hopkins, and Erin England, "The Eighteenth Century Worker: Goya’s Tapestry Cartoons and the Influence of the Enlightenment"
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Jonathan Jones, "Goya in hell: the bloodbath that explains his most harrowing work" www.theguardia...
Nigel Glendinning, "The Strange Translation of Goya's 'Black Paintings'
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Hispania, Vol. 56, No. 2 (May, 1973), pp. 449-457
Peter K. Klein, "Insanity and the Sublime: Aesthetics and Theories of Mental Illness in Goya's Yard with Lunatics and Related Works" Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes, Vol. 61 (1998), pp. 198-252
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Roberta M. Alford, "Goya and the Intentions of the Artist"
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"The Dread" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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If Saturn looked vicious or predatory, it wouldn't be as frightening.
The fact that *he* looks desperate and horrified, almoat panicked, by what he's so committed to doing is part of the terror of the piece.
precisely.
to me it looks as if he became twisted but yet he looks like he is being forced not by himself but he’s looking at the one who is making him forced him to do this and made sure that he became deformed
Maybe he is horrified because he’s eating his own son
well maybe saturn doesn’t realize it’s causing him this pain whilst eating them
yeah that could be it
The fact that he painted these horrific scenes onto the walls of his home - having to see them everyday, have them constantly around him and his supposedly safe space, and for them to be watching him and being seen in the dark - is possibly the saddest part
It really shows his state of mind. He was insane, it’s beautiful in a way.
Could you f*ckin imagine sitting down to eat and you got this lookin at you? I find it very fascinating
I Made a creepy painting about it in my channel!
This painting would be so much more terrifying seen on the wall of a darkly lit room….
imagine living like that, i could never. he really was something
"A frightened, crazed monster discovered in the dark as if by some explorer with a torch that wondered into the wrong cave" The thought of finding something like this in that fashion makes this painting that much more terrifying. Great video.
ichithekiller102 This comment.
That line crawled through my spine.
StripedBlackTie "sentence was amazing" that was a funny comment
Heard that when l read this, jeez.
I’d be running fast
reminds me of aot
"'Saturn *Devouring* His Sons' was in the dining room"
Welp, I guess Goya has a sick sense of humour.
He feast like saturn
I’d do the same, lol.
Somehow I don't think he meant it to be funny.
I think the dining room was the room that had the best space for it, if you look at the plans of his house...
Dark humor mfs
The fact that this child eating man in the painting is caught by the viewer (you) gives a frightening tension that doesnt go away.
@Safak Aksin eye- ;-;
That's the most unsettling part about this painting, it's sort of engaging the viewer.
@Roast Chicken oof thats why i clicked it....I regret watching this cause it made me had nightmares last night ;-;😂
I like to imagine the follow up of the scene continuing with Cronus still looking at the viewer, frozen, unmoving. Then he slowly goes back to eating like it's an everyday thing.
Never saw it that way before. Now that you say that it made the painting even creepier for me than it already was.
*"chewing"*
"this episode was brought to you by squarespace"
That’s not funny
@@adammarquez5203 fuck u. yes it is
Lmao!!
😹😹😹😹😹 JESUS CHRIST
Yeah, would've been better if Hellofresh sponsored him for this one)
>Chokes on son's leg bone
>Dies
Prophecy fulfilled
Ryan Gman underrratedddd 😂
Dark and funny... I approve
You darn fool, take the bones out before eating
Ngl if I didn’t know better about Greek mythology I would’ve believed that due to the twisted nature of it
Oi
imagine you're just hanging out with goya, snacking with him and then there's just this painting straight staring at you in the dining room
terrifying
"Uhhh... nice painting there, bud. Where'd you get it?"
"I painted it myself"
"Oh"
🤣
NOPE, NOPE, NOPE.
It will scare the hell out of me God forbid🥴🥴🥴
The editing on this is underrated, clicking on the video and hearing the crispy chewing surprisingly freaked me tf out
Facts. Very unsettling.
Yea
It’s so disturbing
It's really really overdone and overproduced
what makes an artist great
True art, like Goyas it has a double meaning. Double speak is ancient it’s giving hints and clues to people in plain sight. Anyone who comes out and says things plainly doesn’t survive history. But the artist knows that his work will survive for others to pick up on it.
Other examples of double speak are in the Bible. The book of revaluations says that four horse men, death famine war disease will come from the underworld and reign hell on earth. It’s really double speak. It’s really saying When the Roman sentries( armies) are spread thin by the problems of war famine death and disease within the country then will make our move and take over Rome. It was the Catholics communicating to their followers and that’s exactly what happened, they are in the Vatican to this day, although the church isn’t what it once was they do still have power but most importantly it’s a reminder of the systems of complete power that will always try take over their current world.
It's the wild eyes that freak me out the most. It looks so scared and like it'd eat me too in a heartbeat
You do got some nice legs...
@@the_original_Bilb_Ono and lookin good like a titan
@@miamikirsten435 bruh😂😂
IKR its like someone is whispering you specially when your deaf saw this paint.
exactly, because of the possibility (implication?) that the viewer and saturn are alone with no one else around, it kind of makes you feel like you're going to be next
It's important to note that Goya didn't name his paintings. So, I don't understand why other people named this painting "Saturn devouring his son." Goya might have drawn influence from it but he molded into something specific to him
Wow, I did not know that! It really puts the painting into a new perspective.
Because "That one Goya painting influenced by Saturn devouring his son, but molded into something specific to him" was kind of a clunky title.
Saturn ate his children in the Greek mythos, so i guess it was based upon assumption
@@joe_chill1060 it's Kronos not Saturn, Kronos was not Roman
@@boneheadindustries6398 if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
Kronos is scared, almost terrified, of himself. He is old, deluded into thinking he *has* to eat his children, out of fear of a prophecy. Yet, even though he’s won, is still afraid of his sons, and what he has become. It’s a poetic defeat, Kronos lost himself in the fear of his sons.
Until Kratos shows up
@@knightgamer3510
Epic funny gamer moment memes 2022
Yeah, this is an amazing depiction of that - something the other painters of the scene shown in this video did not capture, perhaps out of fear that it would be too dark for public display. Saturn devoured himself out of a frantic kind of fear. Found in the dark, caught, contorted into a position of resistance and shame, Saturn is devoured and has set the stage for the eventual fulfillment of the prophecy. His fear -> his wife's fear -> Zeus!
Lol he could've just stopped fucking😅
me eating cold chicken wings out of the fridge at 3 AM
SAVAGE
OMG that is so accurate!! 😂
blink WonEidiTu hahahahaha
blink WonEidiTu Indeed 😅
That's Very usefull
Kronos was strong and beautiful in his youth, when he was the rightful ruler of the kosmos. Here he is warped by age, senile and insane. It isn’t only fated that he should pass the throne to the next generation, it is natural and just. But he can’t. He’s too terrified of letting go. You can see in his eyes that he is aware of the horror of his actions, and his position, but he can’t help himself.
Kronos is a titan, a father of Zeus
Do you mean "world"?
This work could now be titled “The Boomer”
The fear of death, very human thing
@@rskl8083 not just fear of death, it's also fear of admitting you fading your peak, your prime, your golden age.
(artist here) as a kid i used to hate that painting; i didn't get it, didn't find it scary at all and i found the artistic freedom he took with the anatomy (especially chronos' face) especially childish. even though i knew all about the story behind this painting i still couldn't bring myself to care about it; looking at it online didn't evoke anything in me, especially since i for some reason assumed it was tiny. that was until i saw the black paintings at the museo del prado one year ago to the date. if you've been there i'm sure you're familiar with the layout of that room, but essentially it is a round room painted red, and the painting is to the left side more toward the back of the room. now our tour guide started from the right with a massive canvas with a goat man/devil in it, and then talked about a tiny dog sinking/drowning in the painting opposite the entry. i suddenly turned around to see the rest of the black paintings (i'd even forgotten about chronos devouring his son entirely), without realizing how close i was to the wall and the picture itself. as a result i was absolutely petrified upon seeing the insanity in his eyes; he was massive and the vivid memory of the completely primal reaction i felt upon seeing it is something i will never forget. i have yet to experience something like it when seeing a painting in real life; that sense of awe and fear has made me gain a great feeling of respect for goya, and a true appreciation for this painting in particular. finally get why people find it so fascinating
Victoria Lago nobody cares that much about what you feel bro
I care. Stories like this are interesting and give context to the painting. I don't find it that scary online either, but I can imagine what it looks like in real life.
I saw it at the prado in August and had roughly the same experience - I knew the painting existed but had forgotten what it looked like, and as soon as I saw it it was the only thing in the room I could focus on
JP Fikani speak for yourself
JP Fikani roasted
one of the scariest things for me about this painting is actually the pose and the body of Kronos. it’s just so weird, unnatural, his legs are slender and long, his neck is in a weird position, the way he lends down… there if something really off about it.
I always thought titans were kaiju like beings in myth but were actually just regular sized people eating other regular sized people
Yeah, and his face seems so... unnatural
I saw this painting in person during a visit to a museum in Spain when I was young. Prior to this visit, art had been something I appreciated aesthetically, but not much beyond that. Then I entered "The Black Room" where all of Goya's Black Paintings were on display. I walked in, and was immediately transfixed by this exact painting discussed in the video. This was the painting that made me realize the power of art. I had never felt emotion so intensely at the viewing of a painting before, and I'm not sure I ever will, but I immediately understood that art is a medium to convey so much more than aesthetic beauty. It can express love, pain, loss, grief, joy and provoke a deep emotional connection between the viewer and the piece... I will always be thankful to this painting for opening my eyes to what art truly is.
I love your story! I really enjoy art too! It's amazing how art has the ability to show different emotions!🤗🤗
I know what you mean. I had this when I saw 'The Taking of Christ' by Caravaggio in Dublin. That was really intense.
really? this just creeped me the funk out
Anthony Gatta thank you.
This is how someone sees art from an emotional and mental level....from a physical level, I would say "WTF!"
My old history teacher had this painting in his room I had to look at it almost ever single day
Did you ever ask them why?
Deadlyaztec27 no I kind of just accepted it
I am hiding here in your comment because
I am afraid
I dont wanna sound crazy but I like staring at creepy paintings like that and just day dreaming about it and imagining stuff
Santi Cheeks I can respect that
The sound design of this video is in a league of its own
let's not forget those visual effects too
Seriously though. As soon as it started I was like, "oH NO"
It's definitely one of his better ones. Loved ALL of it!
Ya, I was thinking that a bit earlier and by the end I was totally impressed. I think that Nerdwriter is really pushing the boundaries of what video essay can convey, how effectively and concisely it can do it. It's been a joy to watch his visuals and sound design develop over the past ~2 years I've been watching, and totally inspires me to push my skills further and learn.
Exactly! I love how in the Goya-going-deaf part the sound is a little off. At first I thought it was me, but then it struck me...
The briefly made point that it is as if you caught him in the act is what does it for me. The image in the context of accidentally getting seen by him and being in the middle of a pause where we are each frozen, is the most horrifying part to me. His eyes communicate in this moment: "you don't understand" as well as "I have to kill you next" at the same time.
Goya was disturbed, no question. What’s more alarming to me is his contentment with his disturbance. He’s fascinating.
Was he, or did he observe mankind's primitive parts?
Not contentment, but acceptance.
@@Thirteen13551355 sadist
@@yanderekun4939 You must have some serious problems, calling people sadists at random. There's nothing sadistic about accepting the fact that life can be very painful and hurtful towards people. Maybe you're one of the people causing such pain? You won't get my sympathy.
@@yanderekun4939 It's also just incredibly weird how I am a sadist for not going with the idea that Goya was 'content' with what he saw. That would be sadistic, lol. You're weird as hell.
I love the transition between...
"Chewing"
To
"Hey everybody"
honestly the scariest part is how there’s no known reason for painting this.
¿Relamente piensas que no hay una razón para pintarlo? ¡Increíble! Qué poca capacidad de sentir la tuya.
@@cesarballon7874 I donto speacko spanisho
@@kaderpdi1982 Lo sé, lo sé. Es demasiado para ti, pobrecito niño.
You tampocou hablou huichihuichi.
I mean the amount of times I've drawn shrek with a mustache have told me you just gotta do what you gotta do.
@@cesarballon7874 He didn't say there was no reason, he said there was no KNOWN reason. I agree with him. Not having a clear reason leaves you to wonder what was going through Goya's head, forcing you to project your own demons onto the painting. That is indeed scarier.
P.S.: why would you reply in spanish to an english comment?
its insane to think of Goya standing alone in his dark dining room, perhaps having a glass of wine, just staring up at this painting for years...
I think the fact that he painted these on his walls of his home and didn't show them to anyone is the most disturbing thing.
TheZixion the ultimate elephant in the room
probably because he was deaf and at that time having such disability meant that a lot of people would not want to spend time with you, the reason why he was so isolated.
Imo the reason why he did paint this, after all, is his depiction of people to him and of course, If I people do want to find out why he did really paint this I believe that they should find out what was happening in his environment where he lived if it's possible today of course. Any written evidence etc.
Nerdwriter1: The most disturbing painting ever
Internet: lol this is me getting caught drinking the mayo bottle at 3 AM by my parents
AARON MEDDERS "comedians"
Was it Hellman’s and son......lol
Celina just the IDEA of someone drinking mayonnaise is disturbing!
Snidely Whiplash not if they supplement it with a chicken sandwich lol (drink, eat, drink, eat. repeat)
Lol me tho
Wait a minute... If Goya never showed this to anyone, how do we know it is Saturn eating his child and not just a representation of something else?
We don't.
maybe he titled it next to where he drew it?
holy hecc he never named it though
We actually don't. All of the black paintings were named by others after his death
... bruh I want to sleep, thinking about this too deeply is a bit too much for me
I think the most traumatic, disturbing and tragic paintings I’ve seen are Francis Bacon’s “black triptychs” painted to express his pain and guilt over the death of his partner
wow! I'm newly interested in paintings, so thanks a lot for introducing me to those masterpieces.
The Anguished Man for me is up their also.
That has to be one of your best intros ever. Spine tingling chills
24 Frames Of Nick truth
Definitely the worst. I hate the sound of chewing.
horrifically great.
Hola hoops
Amazing video. My favorite so far. Your art videos make way to awesome knowledge very hard to aquire otherwise
Jesus freaking christ, that music did NOT help at all
That crunching at the start...... then those eyes. Yikes!
ruclips.net/video/GCeFW7gXR2o/видео.html This is the music used in the video
playing scp made me get used to the music
Hamilton :)
YES IT DID I love it
4:39 Mmm that's some good editing right there
Mmm?
The Sound and the contrast as a dark turningpoint.
I thought my speakers were bugging out for a second
@@eyxnos5192 The deafening sound in the background that comes.... As the narrator explains the person became deaf
For me, the scariest painting I've ever seen is 'Ivan The Terrible and His Son Ivan' (1885).
I have never seen a mix of grief, horror, and disbelief so well-represented in art just with the depiction of a man's eyes....
You got me good with the chewing sounds at the start
I was eating a Arbys while starting this video and for a second I was really confused thinking that I must have been eating a really chewy piece of chicken only to realize it was Saturn...
Noice!
8:04
Lol i was eating toast when i played this and was surprised at the beginning as well
You're lucky you weren't eating Uranus
@@Max_Le_Groom hahaha
Fun fact: Guillermo del Toro was inspired by this painting when he came up with the scene where the Pale Man eats one of the fairies in Pan's Labyrinth.
("Fun" might be a bit of a misnomer, though.)
K
wow thats really interesting. pan's labryinth was also focused around the events on Spain if i recall correctly. the correlation makes it a bit freakier, lol
Great scene, perhaps Goya made his piece to describe the autocracy as well
Just watched that movie, you made my day
Yeah, events of the Spanish Civil War no less.
I would like to thank this comment section for keeping this creepy video relatively fun as I watch this in the middle of the night
Lol
Real talk
🤣fr
Goya is the only painter I know of that has managed to portray my pitch black depression in the form of art. The sense of complete hopelessness, the despair, the sense of 'surely there cannot be anything more of this' yet somehow you manage to keep on trecking forward to even further recesses of darkness. The Black Paintings are complete masterpieces.
Look at these things, these ghoulish creatures that barely resemble anything like a human. They seemingly have no eyes. Their faces are warped and perverted. They appear to exist nowhere, just unending darkness, smothering, smouldering them.
And look at the Saturn picture. Just look at it, perhaps the most haunting and terrifying thing ever portrayed. Look at Saturn. Look at his face. His haunted, terrified, scared, panicked, traumatised panicked flailing eyes. Look at this naked bloodied creature. What is it about it that is so vividly terrifying? Because its us. He looks startled, as if he has been caught in the act. He looks desperate and pleading, like he's begging us to understand. He looks like a teenage boy that has been caught masterbating to unethical porn the second their mother bursts through the door. It's a look of shame at his own horror. We feel that, we all do. That sense of shame and horror, of panic and self loathing, of the kind of miserable self destruction that only periods of utter loneliness and isolation can do to a person. Goya took a god and transformed him into a human, a faintly pathetic, scared, insane, naked human, lost in the darkness, so far gone to his inner despair he can no longer even really process his own madness so simply stares dumbfounded at the judging viewer. He's us. He's all of us.
Cool story
This probably won't get as many views as some of the other videos, but PLEASE do more painting/artist essays. This is my favorite video of yours to date. The editing and audio were awesome and I learned a lot.
Yesss please!!!! I support this. Nerdwriter1 please listen!!
Always was scared of that painting. It always gives me this unnerving want to look and keep my eyes fixed on Cronos's eyes. It's an entrapping type of fear that Goya captured in that painting.
"Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan" of Iliá Repin is the most disturbing paiting EVER, this shit make me laugh
@@pcls-tech sure, it's creepy from the expressions on their faces, but this video looks beyond just "this is a creepy painting" to the historical context of the painting, its artistic mechanisms (such as color, placement, and the weird context it gives to the scene) and above all, its super eerie discovery. The Ivan painting holds no merit like that, it's an assumption made about the mysterious death of Ivan Ivanovich, so it's not as creepy as this painting beyond the look on Ivan the Terrible's face.
@@laughingcheektocheek If you read the history of Russia, the story of Ivan the terrible, the story behind the scene in that painting, everything that was, everything that happened afterwards, and how the severe socio-cultural sequels marked the history of Russia forever (and Eastern Europe), and in addition, you analyze the psychological aspect of the scene, those involved, and finally, all its context, you will realize that this work, is the greatest work of terror ever done by any human being, by the gigantic context behind it. It was a whole dynasty of more than 600 years that stopped governing Russia because of that terrible murder committed by Ivan, while this painting by Goya, is only the reflection of a myth, something that never happened, the story of Ivan is 1000 more relevant times
imagine thinking that the painting is irrelevant because it's a depiction of a myth lmao
symbolism is a thing, you know. and competent artists never stop using it.
@@NewNub I am not saying that it is not relevant, but that, in comparison to all the giant and complex historical context that lies behind the painting of "Ivan and his son" is something unprecedented worldwide, we are talking about the end of a dynasty of the Russian nobility that was ruling for more than 600 years, and which ended due to the terrible murder committed by Ivan, whose political system left consequences that until today affect Russia and its neighboring countries. Sometimes reality surpasses fiction.
Thank you for not putting a jump scare at the end
Somehow that's even scarier
Not jump scare, but yes ASMR scare
The only other painting that closely evokes this feeling of wretched parental fear is Ivan the Terrible by Ilya Repin. It's the same look in their eyes.
Excellent analysis and editing. Thank you.
oh my god, just looked up the painting... the eyes, THE EYES!! thanks for this comment.
@@KhushiSingh-ix6fsThe pain and fear in his eyes is woah just by his eyes alone you can tell that he was the reason his son was hurt you understand that this happened in a moment of anger and the painting depicts the aftermath of an old man having to hold his dying son knowing he is the reason he will die it’s just amazing
Considering he was deaf, these paintings are extremely aural
He lost his hearing late in life, so it's fair to assume he had a good understanding of sound. Maybe the "aural" nature of his later work was him attempting to recapture his lost sense.
@@juliamavroidi8601 100% agree
@@juliamavroidi8601 indeed.
Many of these paintings evoke in the viewer a "sound" - groans, moans, retching, blood-curdling screams... etc. After losing his hearing, he likely became more acutely aware of the visual representation of emotions that the hearing would associate more with sounds -- and that must be why his paintings in this period are so disturbing and evocative. We can hear the noises they appear to make.
Did nobody get the joke in the replies?
There’s the joke about being able to “hear pictures” and all that, but honestly that feeling is what disturbs me the most about this painting. The noises it implies.
The gnashing through flesh and against bone. The squelching of blood, and ripping of skin. The desperate gasping and groaning past the excessive mouthful of his own child’s flesh. All echoing against what appears to be the walls of a dark damp cave...
And this video’s fantastic sound editing did not help.
For fucks sake
ltshep the one time I do not want to be “immersed” in a video or painting.
Goya can’t hear pictures, he can’t hear anything
i just imagine chicken wings asmr eating sounds lol
666 likes. Huh
imagine having this painting just casually hanging in your multi million dollar home
I would put it opposite of me sitting on.the toilet....... it'd be quick business every time lol!
Kruppt808 😂
A real conversation piece in the dining room
not even hanging just on your wall
Put it on your dining room wall looking directly at the table
After three years, this is still the greatest video on all the internet about the painting.
This guy painted this shit on his dining room wall. The place where he ate...
#legendary
guests dont want to eat dont have to spend on ingredients
To be frank almost half of the black paintings were in Goya's dining room.
I might try putting a print of it up in my dining room. Might help with my diet.
#MetalAsFuck
He bought paintings to later paint on them his black paintings
Wonderful video, but you neglect to mention the look of mournful humiliation on saturn's own face. He's eating not because he wants to but because he must. Destroying his child is the only way he can survive. It's a self-portrait. Goya was painting his own pain at his dark thoughts.
Do I Know You Was about to write this, but you wrote it much better :)
Mya Hunter liar
wow, that makes it even darker, the monster is not a monster of his own volition, he does it out of fear and self-preservation but is simultaneously horrified with his own actions, being forced to eat his own child (in his perception at least). it's torture porn and body horror, with a disturbing psychological edge to it. Try to imagine eating your own child alive, one bite at a time, and as the gods are immortal, at no point will the child die, it wil remain conscious during the whole process... every bite of raw flesh, bone and skin, crunching between your teeth, i've never tried to experience the painting from Saturn's point of view but damn....
I disagree. The myth serves to warn us of what tensions can develop between the old and the young. Saturn doesn't eat his children to survive, he does it out of fear. Fear of being overthrown, fear of his own mortality, fear his children will eclipse him and leave him looking weak and foolish.
Indeed in this painting Saturn is given a reason to fear. Saturn's sickly yellow skin and wild mane depicts him as a beast. His fears and lack of hope have robbed him of his humanity. In contrast the son is depicted as a healthy adult, representing human potential and vitality.
As broken and scared as Saturn is, time has allowed him to grow into a colossal giant, much like how in our world resources and systems are under the control of older generations. Goya recognizes the underlying fear in the choices we make as we attempt to grow as people, how we trade humanity for power until we ultimately become more beast than man.
Saturn doesn't have a look of mournful humiliation, he is a wild beast who has long past stopped questioning himself. Much like the limp body of the son, Saturn isn't presented as being with purpose. He isn't devouring his son out of spite or as a calculated act of rage or revenge, he's eating by rote, like a lion would eat a mouse.
This is why the painting works. It shows an honest, naked depiction of the forces at play, pointing to the chaos human nature can conjure and how uncaring and bleak the world can be. He presents a dying monster whose disease is the very thing disallowing anything be reborn to take his place. Goya stands powerless before these natural forces, afflicted by the ever-pervasive feedback loop of fear that has so suffocated human potential in the world around him.
This painting is why we need regulations and laws.
Victor Renaud-Betz wow
The chewing noise makes this significantly worse. Thank you so much. My ethics teacher has a poster of this painting right next to my desk in class
swampwizard out of any other painting to hang up... why in the world does it have to be that one...
swampwizard lol wtf holy shit
swampwizard same with me except it's my math teacher
I was eating lunch while watching this and the chewing noises made me lose my appetite lol
"ethics"
bro the chewing sounds are so unsettling at the start of the video, my spine felt like it was hanging off the back of my cold, metal chair
I've always found it hard to look at this painting, I almost didn't click the video for fear of staring at it too long, but of course I had to watch this because it really is a masterpiece. There's this quote "art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable". Great analyisis!
The painting was never titled. People just started calling it Saturn Devouring his Son but it seems there was no intention to depict that. In fact, Goya had painted the inside of his house originally with other, more joyful paintings. It wasn't until the end of his life that he painted over his paintings, corrupting them. With xrays or whatnot they can sometimes see what was the original painting, but with this particular one, no one knows what scene was corrupted.
I'm interested, who had named the painting then?
Probably art historians like how that one painting came to be known as "Whistler's Mother" instead of "Arrangement in Grey and Black No. 1"
You're right, I've done some searching; most of them were named by historians and labeled by his friend Antonio Brugada.
Nerdwriter isn't one to miss out details like this. Is this definitely true?
I've been reading about this painting, and it seems that VMKjelly is right. Also, if Goya painted thif for himself, not for the public, it only makes sense that he never named them
My Sister: *eating chicken*
Me: stop eating......
Sister: why?
Me: I'm scared......
Dead
"I'm not eating anything"
"Mom wtf are you eating."
*"B AN AN AB A"*
FREESHAVACADOO
Sister: So? Then stop watching until I'm done eating...I'm hungry.
I remember when I studied Goya's paintings in art class and I was so fascinated by his art but in particular this piece. Still one of my favorite piece of art till this day.
that's what i look like when my mom finds me on the floor of the kitchen shoveling shredded cheese into my mouth at 4:37 am
Ha me tho
Fuck, she found me, gotta go FaSt!
Shredded cheese on its own is hella underrated
Now THIS is scary. THIS is the feeling a horror movie should give you.
you should watch Hereditary
@@comsatteur6893 yeah that movie was bone chilling the subtle scares and fear tingling foreshadowing makes it one of the scariest movies to think of.
@@waterdoggo4998 the third act was really weird tho
Nerdwriter has gone to the dark side. This is probably the best video in the past several months (for me, that is).
bro, this painting... and that creepy music on the background... fuck, i'm freaked out af.
Beautiful work. I am grateful that you exist.
Best comment ever! I wish I was friends with Nerdwriter guy! What an inspiring human being.
The Signal Path shutup
skemsen shutup
What do you mean??
Just here for attention, can we all vote to get nerdwriter to do a snippet piece on the great poet Shakespeare! Not that im very technical or understand poetry :(
Why I watch this in the middle of the night.
Yoppy Halilintar unlucky
Same. F''k reason.
Yoppy Halilintar Same reason I did lol
Same, 10:30 pm here, lol
10:45am here
Honestly, I think the scariest part about the painting is the reason why he drew the victim as an adult, not a kid. I really like to think that the motive behind it is the myth itself. I see this not as the real greek myth, but rather an alternative version of it, one in which Saturn dethrone his son after being defeated, one in which he finally broke the prophecy, one is which despite Zeus’ effort, his father came back and reclaimed what he thought was his.
This not only makes more sense to me, but reflects what Goya could have felt during the time, considering his illness and the war. Pessimism, trying to conform himself with the fact that reality wasn’t what he thought nor what he used to paint, but fear, dark and endless overthrow; reality was Zeus losing and Saturn winning
That is a really great interpretation. Thank you for sharing it.
but why there is fear in it's(saturn's) eyes?
Spot on. He is eating Zeus.
@@againstmachine498 because of what zeus represents. saturn won, yes, but there was still an attempt to attack him. i’d say maybe adrenaline?
A lot of artists have painted disturbing images, but Goya was THE BOSS with his Black Paintings.
Wow. Not only the painting made me feel disturbed, but the way you spoke was horrifying. Worked well with the dark subject.
A great quality video.
Disturbing. Educational. And a goofy pitch shifted voice at the beginning. This video has it all!
I do love your painting videos. xx
Wen Bilson And the end too
The pause and then just the word "Chewing..." was chilling. I had to go back to the beginning and realized that those sounds were chewing noises. Brrrrr... :P
I like how at the end you added ‘Chewing’ wooo a shiver down my spine
This video also opens with chewing.
Yeah the chewing really spooked me haha
when
It reminded me of that voice change when the mother says “sink” in Get Out
Micoola lol he ruined it by eating an apple in the beginning
I saw this painting completely by chance in a book about the history of art, when I was a kid. 40 years later it still haunts me!
since Francisco didn't care what they thought of the painting.
maybe he just painted it for shits and giggles.
he just woke up one day and decided
"for the dining room. man eats child"
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't he paint the black paintings after the trauma the war he witnessed brought him?
Gillian Daemon i love you
LMAOOOO
@@Andreea19992000 Yeah, and also other things. At that point there were a series of artists who started to question the dogmas that existed, because of the church and the aristocracy. Because of that, they started to paint other versions of mithology, and left the heroic aspect to other more realistic or approprite to the theme.
William Blake is another artist who did this. (Nebuchadnezzar). He was also an "afrancesado" which in the time Napoleon conquered Spain, meant that he supported the frenchs because they were illustrated. He didn't want France to conquer Spain, but the country was well behind them. In fact, Napoleon said that he needed to pass through Spain to conquer Portugal and basically Spain let them enter the peninsula . And Goya wanted to change the aristocracy domination that existed in Spain. Then when the French conquered Spain, he then realized that "The Dream of Reason produces monsters" which is another reading for his famous drawing. He dreamed to had that but that produced the monsters of war. That led him to produce a more critic production.
Sorry if something is not written correctly and I hope everything is understandable. English is not my native language.
@@juliopalomino6715 no worries, I'm not a native speaker either, but your English seems to be very correct and advanced. Thank you very much for your very detailed and well thought reply, I have learned a lot from it. Have a beautiful day :)
Was it just me or did this video almost sound like a creepypasta?
Like Matthew santoro????
Siddhartha Ghosh no because this is a real painting.
Your sound design scared the shit out of me more than Goya's paintings.
One time I fell asleep while listening to H.P. Lovecraft and then had a nightmare about the black rubbery creatures that live in the sewers, in the nightmare there was a big rubbery demon eating eating a person while crouched in a dark sewer, i went to language arts the next day and had a assignment where i had to draw a character from the book we were reading (I was reading and listening to Lovecraft), anyways i drew what I saw in the dream and didn’t think much about it until i saw Saturn devouring his son, my drawing was a lot like his painting except mine was a Lovecraft monster, low quality, the person it was eating was in its left hand held close to his knee, and the rubbery demon had blood coming from its red eyes.
Thanks for reading
Saw this painting at a museum, bought it as a fridge magnet and now the fridge scares md
Max Moore well that's an effective to stick to fasting lol
Same! Except the force magnet part hahaha
Damn you have magnet of a man eating a child on your fridge and you can still eat. Dude
does that make me goth? xd
Maybe on the other hand that painting was discovered in Goya's dinning hall.
My feet cant hang out of the bed for a few days now
Sameee
One thing is for certain: Kronos apparently doesn't have a gag reflex.
@@TheFunkoDunko yes.
Jesus chri-
No gag reflex you say 😏
@@deletedaccount4093 gay
**sigh**
_unzips_
I distinctly remember seeing this painting for the first time when I was in Madrid a decade ago. I knew of Goya, but did not know at all of his "Black Paintings", and seeing this painting immediately shocked me - a real visceral sensation of disgust I've never experienced from any piece of art. I don't remember much else from that museum, but I still remember myself flinching to this day.
I appreciate that Goya turning deaf part. It brought the most chills in me from the video. This is coming from someone who's almost deaf on her left ear, I relate and was reminded of the actual possibility of deafness in the future. Cheers lmao.
Cheers! I would say more but I don’t want to add to your grief on the matter. Ed edd n eddy forever 😊
Hah, I'm completely deaf on my right ear.
May I ask
How is your hearing nowadays?
@nerdwriter1 this might interest you-- I went to a screening of loving vincent followed by a Q&A with one of the directors. Someone asked whether they had any ideas for their next handpainted film to which he answered (hopefully in all seriousness) "we want to make a horror film in the style of Goya"
Providence Beacon OHMYGOD THAT WOULD BE SO COOL
Off topic here, but I really enjoyed watching Loving Vincent! How was the Q&A session?!
Providence Beacon oh that'd be beautiful and creepy as fuck, I'd definitely go watch that
that sounds fucking terrifying
That sounds AMAZING. Would knock the socks off most modern horror films.
“Progress isn't assured and when it's defeated it's not painless. It's horrific and slow, and the victim can feel it happening." It's not clear if this your own thought or a quote or paraphrase of that of others, but this idea has been brought up by multiple professors of mine. This is something on which people should contamplate.
Perhaps, but isn't the more common idea "progress isn't possible without struggle"? The interpretation is that the painter thought that progress had been defeated, and that defeating progress is violent, not that progress itself is violent.
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Welcome to the youtube mutual masturbation society, where we borrow the ideas of our betters and pose them as our own insights. Oh sempai why won't you notice me?
it makes me think of my country -Egypt- in the last 7 years and how the military and the muslim brotherhood ruined all of our dreams and how horrible things has turned into and how we have to deal with this pain everyday everywhere.
Zizek often says this, like the horrors of the revolution make us blind to the horrors of the current state of affairs and so on and so on.
Holy shit, not only was that a wonderful breakdown of the life of an artist and a man, but that last line was delivered perfectly. It was legitimately haunting.
looks awesome, can’t wait to watch it tomorrow morning outside in the sun because FUCK watching it tonight alone in my room in the dark
nut master
It's not that bad. It's a drawing of a person eating another person.
Enthios No, the video is F**KING CREEPY.
Crap, why didn't i think of that?!
Pussy
You have 666 upvotes as of me reading this. I'm doomed. DOOMED.
I love this interpretation! I was always told in my art history classes that it was more about him reaching his death. Saturn was the god of time, so in this painting it could also be interpreted as his feelings of time "eating" him. As you said he wasnt in the best shape when he painted these works, so it would be understandable that he would show death as a slow and painful thing.
Except "Chronos" was different from "Cronus". Chronos was the god of time and Cronus, or Saturn was different.
It's way less disturbing if you imagine Saturn going "NOM NOM NOM"
thank you
thank you
thank you
Bruh I literally hear him Chewing at The Beggining of the video
"Nom nom nom nom nom delicioso"
Yes, this painting will never be scary anymore. Thank you, Dora😂
This is one of the best structured essays I’ve ever seen. All your interpretations tie in so well with each other
That opening sequence was incredible. The music, the sound effects, everything. You sir, are one of my inspirations when it comes to filmmaking.
I didn't wanna sleep anyway
Nope. I’m at the black paintings bit, I’m alone, it’s nighttime and I’m a scaredy-cat, so imma come back tomorrow.
Indra Vargas same good night to ye
i watched the whole thing at 2 am lol
I’m currently sitting in my school gym surrounded by people and I still felt shivers
Weak.
I got through it, alone and at nighttime. Still, I do plan to have said nightmare follow.
my mom has a vast collection of art reproduction books and i remember being terrified by this painting throughout my whole childhood. glad to finally know that i am not alone!
Goya was a master, and he proves being a master and being disturbed are not mutually exclusive. I imagine the first people to go into his house to remove these paintings got sufficiently creeped out.
Nate and Noah Try Life We'll never know, because the first people who went in there to try where never seen again. True story. Look it up...
Okay, so I'm lying. But admit it; that seemed perfectly plausible.
we are like: "oh god a monster"
goya were probably lime: "lol im gonna paint some guy eating a person"
wtf :DDDD
Lime.
he was probably not lime
sorry dudes i dont know how to write im a grandma in internet
@@olavoclaus1746 More like a sexy grandma, mhm~
I’m going to go watch a Disney movie now...
probably hercules
And try to forget lmfao
Dont watch the old Alice movie its creepy
Attack of the titans
I suggest Zootopia. Judy's can-do attitude will have you feelin better in no time!
To me this painting is an awakening. This is Goya's structure of reality in its most honest and revealing form. Goya has reached a stage in his life where he begins to see the end. He illustrates a desperate Saturn trying to regain his youth by literally devouring his children. As an adult Goya's life has reached an end, but a child (generally speaking) is blind to the structure of reality. A child represents vision and hope and possibility. We all grow up one day and become aware of our own mortality. We see the structure of our reality and go through a period of hell on earth. In that moment we make a choice. (1) Give up. (2). Learn to see as a child again and keep moving forward.
It's all in the eyes, those crazed, crazed eyes... Seriously though, how demented/insane would you have to be to have an expression like that???
Walked into the wrong cave...
YOU PICK THE WRONG CAVE, FOOL!
@TheProjectUnknow in Romanian its Jupiter :)
@TheProjectUnknow awwww my God
200 years after the painting was done, here's a video that, while trying to explain it, became an extension of the piece on it's own right. Sublime work.
Thanks for putting words to my thoughts.
Why does this painting remind me of Attack on Titan?
I had the same feeling actually, it's probably bc of all the horror imagery in the 3rd ending song
Maybe Isayama was inspired by this painting?
I didn't expect to see you here, especially in such an old video.
Saturn/Krono was a titan, so yeah, isayama was inspired by this mitology
Am pretty sure isayama was inspired by this painting
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You need more likes
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Kronos upload again bitch
Kronos damn u really just stoped uploading
Directed by Larry David
i find the detail that Saturn is completely goring the person instead of swallowing them like in the original story interesting. Instead of keeping the hope of revolution with zeus being alive in the stomach, the person is straight up killed with his body ripped to shreds squashing any chance of it immediately
dont wanna be that guy but Zeus was never swallowed, but I don't think it makes your point any less valid
Zeus was the son who took over Saturns throne in the myth, he wasn't swallow. Greek mythology is really deep and difficult to follow, I barely only know most of it through god of war lol
Thanks for the recommendation .. I've been looking to purchase a print copy to hang in the living room to brighten it up. That will look lovely over the fireplace
Better yet, put it in the dining room
If by lovely you mean creepy then yes, it will look lovely
An unexamined life... do you not think its got a very enigmatic quality about it .. not unlike the Mona Lisa smile, it very subtlety draws you in and you can't figure out why :P
But Mona Lisa was meant to charm you with her smile. This might just charm you into... something else o.o
gav_fitzpatrick this piece sure is unique, but you, who wants to hang this in your house is far more unique...
PERFECTION. I haven't found a better History & analysis of this artwork...than you gathered in your production here. AMAZING
As I kid I remember seeing that painting and could feel how dark it was. Always thought his eyes looked sad or shocked as if trying to show it isn't what he wants
This video is a work of art in itself. Now, that goes for quite a lot of Nerdwriter videos, but this is your best one yet by far, from an artistic standpoint. The audio is beautiful.
So you complain both about the "offputting" horror intro and the "cliche" horror video? Perhaps you don't really appreciate horror? I suggest you watch a few RUclips videos. See what kind of aestetics can be found out there. See if you might just find something cliche. Perhaps even more cliche than telling a creepy story aided by creepy audio, is that's even possible. I mean, if the video had some early Handel music set to it, it would clearly be much less cliche - and therefor, I take it, much better, right?
The editing is quite nice, standard fare for Nerdwriter. But I think it's one of his best because of the goddamn interesting subject matter. Really fucking good stuff
Yeah, well, when the subject is not only great art but also happens to be deeply disturbing, it's not strange that his "standard fare" becomes someting special.
Anthony N Would you prefer that All Star was the background music as to not be a "cliche"? This is a video about a disturbing painting. People should expect to feel uneasy.
just, when you said, "chewing," at the end? That single moment combined with the visual of the painting was more horrifying than 9/10 horror movies I've seen.
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Really enjoyed your video! I am an artist myself and have always been fascinated by Goya's "Black Paintings." I see a lot of painters with really boring hyper realistic paintings that they trace from photographs and then fill in with paint with no meaning or "feeling" to them. It is so refreshing to see a true artist like Goya.