Great video, my nervousness around the PHEV is the complexity in the long run. Running two powertrains and how many garages can fix it when the car is 5 years old +.
Great choice for a company car at present. Especially if you can squeeze into 5% if not 8% bracket. On the one hand. It is the best of both worlds. Zipping quietly around town in EV mode and no range or towing issues. But it could also be argued that it’s also the worst of both worlds too. Lugging around and engine, gearbox, diff’s etc plus all the same hardware as an EV. And, yes the MPG increases with assistance from the battery, but it needs to be charged which needs to be allowed for. I cocked up with this I ordered the new Cayenne E Hybrid which arrived in October last year. As soon as I drove it I knew I made a mistake, the integration of the ICE / EV was horrible. Luckily it had issue so they bought it back and promptly swapped for a Taycan Turbo. Though despite all of the above, I’d probably go Hybrid SUV next time for practically.
*'ow Much = More a Joke than a Juke ! - However now so glad I opted instead in late 2019 to get a Mercedes 8 Speed (W247) B200 CDi AMG with 81 miles on the clock (ex Demo) and got a massive discount of nearly 10k from list price at just over 23k. This has absolutely amazed me, so so quiet, incredible range and over 35 mile journey (A6/A46) to Newark did over 90 mpg - hit traffic near end. This car will no doubt still be running in 20 years time and still giving good sensible practical use*
Interested to learn the total energies used. Did you say 4.9miles per KWh on electric only. That seems incredibly high. The power of regen is great but presumably similar across BMW pHEV and BEV models. I drive both our BMW i3 and Nissan Ariya largely on single pedal and love the message on regen miles at the end of a trip. As others have commented I’d be concerned about the extra complexity and servicing costs in the long run. Are you on an overnight EV tariff which will encourage plugging in even using a 3 pin charger.
Definitely best of both worlds, I have a 2021 45e and it is probably the best hybrid suv out there. 3 pin charging is pretty much the only way as it doesn’t really require fast charging. Good video and love the channel. 👌 the new 50e is just to difficult to navigate around the dash 😮should start a campaign to keep buttons 😂
I need to try one - I just had a BMW i4 40 73 plate for the weekend and what a beautiful car first time trying the ev thing but the public charging thing is not for me, stations not working they car didn’t come was a cable so only had a 3 pin & in cities they don’t have tethered point. I have a charging point at home but couldn’t charge it over night. Great car but it only made me want the 4 series 440i 😂
Im torn - pretty much sold on one of these but its too big as a 2nd car (for the missus). The X3 or X1 would be more manageable but a lot changes with the smaller chassis such as battery size. Any suggestions for a phev with the BMW robustness or would you just lump for the compromise on either smaller car/battery or daily inconvenience of a oversized 2nd car?
It does seem to be a good solution, shame governments don't seem to think so and tax them so much vs EV, we have a MY23 xc60 PHEV with the 18.8kw, does upto 45miles which is not bad on 14.9 usable, not fuelled since feb, but have done a few thousand miles EV, works well for us, would imagine BMWs mpkw rating is lying to you simple math would tell you that, the battery is a fixed size and the range is only so much its a 24kwh battery doing 54 miles is 2.25mpkw, if you do 4.9 that'd be 120 mile range :D On the charging front slow charging can be an issue if you want to fit is a small offf peak charging window, ours only charges at 3.6Kw so needs 5 hours to charge from empty and we onlly have to fill ~16Kw due to charginf losses, clearly the BMW would need more so might be still beneficial to have wall charger in this case as you'd fill it off peak easier.
Typically need to at least deliver 1,4Kw before it will start to charge the car, so you'd need very good sized panel, and good panels to do that or more panels plus a hybrid invertor a EV charger like Zappi capable of dealing with it.
@@Challengetheroad that’d be great, to the lay man it’s all gobbledegook, I’m guessing you need panels, to some sort of storage before you can plug your car in overnight? Fascinated to see how your 50 miler goes and how that could change things. Many thanks, ps well done on the weight loss, face shows the difference already. Keep well Richard.
I'm not sure hybrid is the answer... at first glance it seems like it is, but the ICE is not designed for the kind of running it then gets subjected to. Engines are designed to mostly be on, and need to be at the correct working temp to minimise wear especially. This doesn't happen in a hybrid installation. Look around for oil dilution in hybrids. I did send you an interesting paper on the impacts on lubrication, there's a lot to learn and if hybrids are dead by 2035, I'm not sure it's worth manufacturers getting them properly sorted. They could end being the worst of all worlds, engines that wear out too quickly and batteries as well as you charge them more often as the range is small...
It's the choice auto makers will choose. The servicing is a bit more complicated plus you have the added complexity of the units talking in harmony. Hybrids also have the highest amount of fires per 100k. Evs on the other hand need minimal maintenance, Yes like every single brand on the planet there are issues, give it 120 years or so (which is the chance ICE has had). EVs pre date ICE by about 60 years, Henry Ford and the money hungry cronies agreed to control everything they could and here we are, nothing but push back for the EVs, mire energy efficient (90% compared to 20-35%), less moving parts and so on. We will soon sort the battery issue you have (0% fires, salt based tech) and you still won't be happy, why? Narcissism is the unfortunate answer, WE, that's a royal WE, like the feeling, the emotion, the buzz! Well that all comes at an uncomfortable price.
Great information on the Re Gen and how it works thank you
Great video, my nervousness around the PHEV is the complexity in the long run. Running two powertrains and how many garages can fix it when the car is 5 years old +.
Great choice for a company car at present. Especially if you can squeeze into 5% if not 8% bracket.
On the one hand. It is the best of both worlds.
Zipping quietly around town in EV mode and no range or towing issues.
But it could also be argued that it’s also the worst of both worlds too. Lugging around and engine, gearbox, diff’s etc plus all the same hardware as an EV.
And, yes the MPG increases with assistance from the battery, but it needs to be charged which needs to be allowed for.
I cocked up with this I ordered the new Cayenne E Hybrid which arrived in October last year. As soon as I drove it I knew I made a mistake, the integration of the ICE / EV was horrible. Luckily it had issue so they bought it back and promptly swapped for a Taycan Turbo.
Though despite all of the above, I’d probably go Hybrid SUV next time for practically.
I have an XC90 T8, and it works pretty well in 100% electric mode. Perfect for grocery shopping, driving to work, and the kid to preschool.
*'ow Much = More a Joke than a Juke ! - However now so glad I opted instead in late 2019 to get a Mercedes 8 Speed (W247) B200 CDi AMG with 81 miles on the clock (ex Demo) and got a massive discount of nearly 10k from list price at just over 23k. This has absolutely amazed me, so so quiet, incredible range and over 35 mile journey (A6/A46) to Newark did over 90 mpg - hit traffic near end. This car will no doubt still be running in 20 years time and still giving good sensible practical use*
Interested to learn the total energies used. Did you say 4.9miles per KWh on electric only. That seems incredibly high. The power of regen is great but presumably similar across BMW pHEV and BEV models. I drive both our BMW i3 and Nissan Ariya largely on single pedal and love the message on regen miles at the end of a trip.
As others have commented I’d be concerned about the extra complexity and servicing costs in the long run.
Are you on an overnight EV tariff which will encourage plugging in even using a 3 pin charger.
50 miles will do most people nicely
I found from my time with a 530e is that it only really properly regenerated power in sport mode 😅
Definitely best of both worlds, I have a 2021 45e and it is probably the best hybrid suv out there. 3 pin charging is pretty much the only way as it doesn’t really require fast charging. Good video and love the channel. 👌 the new 50e is just to difficult to navigate around the dash 😮should start a campaign to keep buttons 😂
Thank you, hmm need to see this new Dashboard on e50 as this one on here is really good.
I need to try one - I just had a BMW i4 40 73 plate for the weekend and what a beautiful car first time trying the ev thing but the public charging thing is not for me, stations not working they car didn’t come was a cable so only had a 3 pin & in cities they don’t have tethered point. I have a charging point at home but couldn’t charge it over night. Great car but it only made me want the 4 series 440i 😂
I can drive my Clio e tech as a one pedal car 95% of the time only needing the brake pedal below 5 mph
4.9 miles per KW 🤩
That’s amazing for an X5 carrying a 3.0 engine and tank with fuel 👍🏻
Love my XC60 PHEV with 50 miles but this is tempting 😂
Great car, my experience so far in less than 4.9 per KW but will interesting real world numbers soon.
Im torn - pretty much sold on one of these but its too big as a 2nd car (for the missus).
The X3 or X1 would be more manageable but a lot changes with the smaller chassis such as battery size.
Any suggestions for a phev with the BMW robustness or would you just lump for the compromise on either smaller car/battery or daily inconvenience of a oversized 2nd car?
Hi Jay, interesting the X5 does not feel that big on the road. Maybe have a look at Q5 hybrid too
So is electricity cheap or free in the uk. Unless your using solar , how much electricity is it using every night.
It’s about 10p per KW overnight
@@Challengetheroad ok. Then would it work out cheaper than petrol, an interesting exercise
It does seem to be a good solution, shame governments don't seem to think so and tax them so much vs EV, we have a MY23 xc60 PHEV with the 18.8kw, does upto 45miles which is not bad on 14.9 usable, not fuelled since feb, but have done a few thousand miles EV, works well for us, would imagine BMWs mpkw rating is lying to you simple math would tell you that, the battery is a fixed size and the range is only so much its a 24kwh battery doing 54 miles is 2.25mpkw, if you do 4.9 that'd be 120 mile range :D
On the charging front slow charging can be an issue if you want to fit is a small offf peak charging window, ours only charges at 3.6Kw so needs 5 hours to charge from empty and we onlly have to fill ~16Kw due to charginf losses, clearly the BMW would need more so might be still beneficial to have wall charger in this case as you'd fill it off peak easier.
Thank you, 4.9 does seem high for 20000 miles, my figures are much lower so far. Look forward to more videos soon
Can you run through the home charge thing, can I stick 4 solar panels on my garage and plug the car in? How’s it work.
Typically need to at least deliver 1,4Kw before it will start to charge the car, so you'd need very good sized panel, and good panels to do that or more panels plus a hybrid invertor a EV charger like Zappi capable of dealing with it.
Will do 👍
@@Challengetheroad that’d be great, to the lay man it’s all gobbledegook, I’m guessing you need panels, to some sort of storage before you can plug your car in overnight? Fascinated to see how your 50 miler goes and how that could change things. Many thanks, ps well done on the weight loss, face shows the difference already. Keep well Richard.
Hybrid has always been the sensible way to go 🙂
I'm not sure hybrid is the answer... at first glance it seems like it is, but the ICE is not designed for the kind of running it then gets subjected to. Engines are designed to mostly be on, and need to be at the correct working temp to minimise wear especially. This doesn't happen in a hybrid installation. Look around for oil dilution in hybrids. I did send you an interesting paper on the impacts on lubrication, there's a lot to learn and if hybrids are dead by 2035, I'm not sure it's worth manufacturers getting them properly sorted. They could end being the worst of all worlds, engines that wear out too quickly and batteries as well as you charge them more often as the range is small...
It still has a combustion engine what is the point?
It's the choice auto makers will choose. The servicing is a bit more complicated plus you have the added complexity of the units talking in harmony. Hybrids also have the highest amount of fires per 100k.
Evs on the other hand need minimal maintenance, Yes like every single brand on the planet there are issues, give it 120 years or so (which is the chance ICE has had).
EVs pre date ICE by about 60 years, Henry Ford and the money hungry cronies agreed to control everything they could and here we are, nothing but push back for the EVs, mire energy efficient (90% compared to 20-35%), less moving parts and so on. We will soon sort the battery issue you have (0% fires, salt based tech) and you still won't be happy, why? Narcissism is the unfortunate answer, WE, that's a royal WE, like the feeling, the emotion, the buzz! Well that all comes at an uncomfortable price.