Its probably different for each person, their room, ambient lighting conditions etc. Basically the LG TVs are fairly idiot proof and tend to look good no matter how you set it up. With the new ones like C2 or newer, MAX OLED brightness is too much for gaming in a dark room, in my view
@@Red-Revolution708 The gaming experience is nowhere near as good as the PS5. Few games have proper controller support, none of them support the DualSense's full feature set, many games have game launchers requiring mouse & keyboard, power consumption for an equivalent PC is more than double that of a PS5 Pro, many games are poorly optimized and run worse on PC, which then requires spending more to brute force raw performance to compensate, and then there's the ease of HDR10, 4K UHD playback, and native Dolby Atmos support. Plus Sony's Tempest 3D audio has native support for Dolby Atmos home theater systems, so games using it can utilize height effect speakers. I'm constantly reading complaints from PC gamers wishing that they had the console UIs from console ports when using a controller. There's also the issue of nonexistent split-screen couch co-op on PC.
And its more blurrier. Watch analista videos or teu yourself like I did. These dudes are lying big time . That's why they ain't showing. A dude alone made already more comparison videos than them lol
The issue for Sony using GoWR as a standard bearer for PSP5 is the game was already so well made for PS5. Games which really REALLY need a PS5 patch like Elden Ring, dont have one. GoWR didnt even need an update, its soo well optimized. Honestly the PSSR vs TAA difference is negligible. Pretty, pretty whelming stuff...
agree. purchased ps5 pro and this was the first game i tested. my initial thought? minor upgrade from the already well optimized ps5 version. sony is cash grabbing
@@RandCarlton they can’t cash grab unless you actively choose to give them your cash. Unless there is someone holding a gun to your head or knife to your throat and forcing you against your will to purchase it, which I’m going to safely assume is not happening, then I don’t understand the complaint
@@AnEyeRackythey significantly increase the latency in order to smooth out the image through some internal process, but it also made it look like smeared wet paint as if you cranked the motion blur higher than physically possible.
@@AnEyeRackyNot only Samsung, most Smart TV’s from any brand in the last decade. I used it in conjunction with BFI on my Panasonic OLED, and motion clarity gets boosted from 60 up to 240+. Insanely smooth and clear in motion, almost like CRT.
@@kristiangurholt59 use what? What is this technology? I literally have never heard of a display, adding frames to a game being rendered from a PC or console. This sounds like fantasy. How have I never heard of this? Please elaborate
It would be great to make a video about 60hz and 120hz. Because PS5 doesnt offer 4:4:4 on 4k120hz mode with my LG OLED TV. I cant see big differences but on 60hz the colours are better i think because of RGB 4:4:4. Whats your choice?
So to sum it up the ps5 pro is definitely an upgrade so people can stop hating . Now the question is can you just keep your base ps5 you definitely can if you don’t care about frame rates
@@EthanCarey-p8k a lot of us grew up with Atari 2600, super nintendo, Sega Genesis Etc . To most of us frame rates don't matter as much, there have been many classics they were running at like 10 frames per second LOL
It’s a great game , in PS5 pro , the game became even greater with additional frames and fidelity …as a gamers we are happy 😊 I wonder why certain bunch of humans are so insecure with this game doing great in PS5 pro 😅
Were there an update that you can use PSSR with the quality mode?? I recall you said you couldn’t use it together. Also I have Favor Quality with PSSR and High frame rate mode on. VRR on my LGCX says it running at 118Hz but that’s not accurate I think, anyone have actual number for this mode?
I caved and traded my ps5 for the pro and it’s great all the games I’ve tried look amazing Spider-Man 2 looks great on ps5 but I was blown away with how good it looks on the pro the RUclips videos don’t do it justice
@@RogueSquadron80 At settings worst than the base PS5 due to the port not having certain settings ...bruh the PS5 pro got the PC community in an absolute blender....bruh you don't have to try to convince us...just enjoy your hardware!
Today, I went out and bought a PS5 Pro, although I'm still not happy with the price. I transferred all my data from my PS5 to the Pro, and I checked out a few games to see how much better it looked (Horizon Forbidden West, GoW Ragnarok, Ratchet and Clank Rift apart, TLoU 2, Spider-man 2). I was not happy and couldn't tell where the differences were (on my Sony A80L oled 65 inch). Then I thought: I can connect both PS5 and PS5 pro at the same time and compare by switching hdmi input. Then I saw the massive differences. My conclusion: my mind played tricks on me remembering the PS5 versions as looking way better than they actually are (I had not played these games in more than 10 months). Everything looks much sharper, with much more stable images, at ps5 quality settings at 60fps. RUclips videos don't do the PS5 Pro justice. For me, the PS5 pro is about clarity with ps5 quality settings at 60fps. It does not feel as a new console, it feels as the current generation should be. If you have not seen the Pro irl and played with the Pro, then the PS5 is good enough. If you have played with the Pro, it is hard to go back to the PS5. Is it worth the price? No. If it were 500 with disc drive, then I would recommend it. Go test it out in a store.
@mohammedsmith4047 No. It should not be more expensive than the PS5 at launch. The store I went to, was still packed with Pro models. It's obvious it doesn't sell well. Sure, the initial numbers will be fine as scalpers bought a lot of them (and are now selling them at lower prices). But to see so many in stock after 10 days, doesn't bode well. The price is the reason.
Hi, many thanks for your analysis ! What tool are you using to display the purple panel down the screen showing display parameters (FPS, resolution, etc …) ? Starting at 0:22.
@@gluzor If you want to see it on the display itself as you are playing then really the only solution I can think of is to use a Tv or Monitor that has that feature baked into its UI. All the other solutions like capture cards between the source and the Tv will require using their software to see the source frame rate on a PC and that is assuming you don't run into issues with VRR support etc.
Can you do a compare for PSVR2? RUclips has a lot of different opions. Some say placebo effect others say it is night and day difference. Also for games without a Pro patch
Wait... isnt the goal of PSSR to increase FPS? How can the non PSSR have 10 FPS more? Then what does PSSR do? Why use it? Or is this like PSSR in quality mode in stead of in performance mode? Is that why it is 10 fps lower?
Wonder how that one poindexter on your forum who claims the PS5 Pro will put a 4070 TI to shame (based on some comment one of you guys made) will take this. Why? Because a 4070 TI would definitely run this better with DLSS.
People complaining about granular upgrades in performance and visuals whilst simultaneously paying a granular upgrade in price in the from the standard PS5 to the Pro. How do you balance those two things simultaneously?
Is it better to use 1440p output to a 4k LG or to use 4k and let the game scale inside? (assuming from what you said that pssr here is outputting 1440 vs up scaling to 4k)
Let the game scale, try to keep the native resolution of your tv as much as possible. If you stay further away from your tv you can output at 1440p, you won't see any difference and the game will run a bit better VS native and game scale and also save some vram since you run at forced 1440p. This is for PC settings, for PS5 always use native rez.
I do wish I never played all the PS5pro upgraded games on the PS5 cuz I had a ton of issues with them and with the playstation games specifically at least, I ended up playing with the VRR mode, which was the only mode I liked. Like I couldn't play Spiderman 2 on performance modw. It looked too blurry and ugly. I suggest everyone to play it in quality mode with VRR at 40fps. Played God of war on quality mode with VRR as well. Final fantasy 7 rebirth I had to stop playing after 6 hours cuz it was just too goddamn blurry. And the list just goes on, like Callisto protocol ù, re4remake, Alan wake 2 at 850p blurry as hell, space ,marine 2 in performance is super blurry etc... BUT I actually waited for a lot of games and I have them still unopened since day 1, to play on ps5pro... Like lords of the fallen, rise of the ronin, FF7 rebirth (opened and played for only around 6 hours, mainly for the ps stars buster sword collectable 😆) and others... Sadly I don't have a disc drive cuz I didn't think scalpers would jump on them like hellhounds. Fuk me uh? However I also have a few games I didn't get specifically waiting for a ps5pro version, like dragons dogma 2, stellar Blade, silent hill 2 and a few others. So I have this MASSIVE back catalog of games to play...and I just got shadows of the damned hella remastered and the Alan wake DLCS (big waste of money. It's called Alan wake and there's like 14 female characters you get to play but no Alan wake. Doesn't give me much hope about the max Payne remake. Wonder if they will let me play as max at all). And yesterday I was also debating if buying re4remake again but digital for the deluxe edition and the DLC I still have to play. I also play VR so I might jump into re4 and finish it cuz I never did. Because I play Tekken 8 and Helldivers 2 as my main addiction and have a friend that just started playing dead by daylight and made go back into it, while also buying PSVR2 and I gave him my account so he got all my 20+ games, always busting my balls to play VR too. We just finished the campaign and 1 dlc of Arizona sunshine remake and gotta do the other dlc. Metro VR just came out and it's a VR masterpiece. Meanwhile I have like 5 VR games I didn't even try yet, like dead hook, vertigo 2, hubris, the anime bikes one, propagation and more... I wish a day would last 48 hours so I could have the time to play everything. I'm drowning in games and more stuff just keeps getting out and I have no idea what to play first. Oh right... I got hi Fi rush last month cuz it was like 15€. Dying light 2 will come out on pspslus... My cousin's wife worked on black ops 6 and gave a code for it and I just tried the zombies mode so far, might have to finish the campaign at least. And the ps5pro ain't helping cuz I wanna go back to games I already played. Even like Callisto protocol, which isn't amazing but I really liked it and my biggest issue was the performance mode being so goddamn blurry and it's implementation of FSR being so bad.. 😫 Fine. From tomorrow, I'm ignoring all the random stuff and I'm jumping into a marathon of single player games I have to finish. One game at a time, no jumping around between 5 different games.
Does anyone plan to look into Star Wars Outlaws with a PS5 Pro patch? They’ve updated a few things since launch to make the widescreen mode worth it and the game could really use a resolution bump!
coming from a ps3. would the ps5 slim be a nice upgrade. i am not a gamer i play now and again. i don't think i would notice the kind of stuff you guys do.
Thanks for making these pro videos. U show the minimal returns u get from the pro. Glad I waited and didn’t pre order. It’s not worth it in my opinion and hearing people say if u have 2 TVs side by side u couldn’t tell which is which. It’s a pass on the pro
Now on PC and youtube users can not check performance of PS5 Pro games due to inferior technology. RUclips capped at 60fps and PC users with 1080p monitors
I don’t care what others say, a PS5 Pro will continue to get better and faster with the newer games. Gonna enjoy my QD-OLED and Pro until they don’t work anymore. Amazing combo at 4K 144hz.
The recent god of war games are trash ngl, basically last of us game play with god of war skin. I would love a remake of all og god of wars from ps2 ps3 and psp in 1 package
Why are you guys lying? Saying pssr has more detail for away? Analista videos showed us that is not the case. And then I went to check myself and it is indeed more blurrier with pssr. On gow. On hogwarts on spiderman so on. Don't understand the lying here and it's funny that you guys don't even show side by side about that because you know it's blurrier
GOD OF WAR Ragnarök looks and play gorgeous on the Ps5 base we all know that. Your really splitting hairs on the improvements the Ps5 pro will bring to the game . Ps5 Performance, runs at a locked frame rate of 60 fps, and uses dynamic resolution scaling - with a minimum of 1440p and a maximum of 2160p - to maintain it. The Pro does not run the game at 60fps with Native 4k also .
@tchlin yeah I notice more and more people say stuff about "how it looks too similar" when it's literally just the idea all games should start running 60-70(vrr) without losing the quality we've come to expect for gaming systems. So we get the best of both words for a fair price for the quality playstation is proving to give its gamers with each pro enhancement patch. I'm currently testing out every game myself and I'm very impressed
In the unlocked VRR mode it runs above 60fps and looks great. This is just one of those games where the Pro mode doesn’t mean much because the game was already so good on the base machine.
It’s not splitting hairs lol. Pro is a blatant upgrade that is much more significant in person. The graphics mode needed VRR to run at 40 fps. Pro enhanced gives you a similar look and over 60 FPS with PSSR. Performance mode on standard ps5 is a graphic down grade to both of those settings. Quite literally blows performance mode out of the water.
@@zaccarter3801 Great VRR. Now the Ps5pro needs a new TV along with a stand and disc drive . Most people have a 4/60hz TV. which is fine 30-60fps gameplay only.
@h.i.mcdunnough9421 No they Don't. I have Launch ps5 and ps5 pro. There's no other options on base ps5. Ps5 pro has a pro mode in certain games. Mainly ones already enhanced you'll see a pro mode. Otherwise pro does make the games look way better. Even on old ps5 settings. It's out putting better image quality and stability In 3d assets.
The PS5 Pro's market audience are mainly consumers who have the technical eye for games. If you do not see the differences and gains, you are absolutely making the right decision in returning it and staying with the XSX.
@@ChayaneRuizTorreshe never had one, he's just an Xbox fanboy salty that PlayStation will have the best version of every console game for the next three to four years
all this is why i have a pc. that is an egregious amount of money for no drive, no stand and questionable graphical upgrades over the base model. i have both a ps5 and pro, because i fix consoles, and when i had them both side by side, both on OLED TVs - the differences were... middling at best. however when i swapped my PC in, granted the video card alone was $1000, but when i swapped my PC in, there was an actual, palpable difference in the 4k presentation. not pixel hunting to try to see what's what. experiences that were fake 4k and 30fps are actual 4k/60 on PC, you can see it in motion and in every detail. what really pissed me off was unboxing the vertical stand for $30 and it being the thinnest, cheapest, dumbest little piece of plastic you've ever seen. that was what pushed me right out my chair. like come TF on sony... really?
Not hating Ragnarok; I’m replaying on my Pro and have already spent 40 hours since it came out. But…it’s waaay overhyped, definitely on the graphics department. I’ll take Zero Dawn Remaster and Forbidden West over it ANY day.
It only looks cleaner and sharper....i love god of war but i dont understanding the hype in this video, the game is still based for ps4, aswell as ps5....what would black myth look like as it is a game that is next gen not a game thats for ps4 aswell.
GOW runs flawless in my PC 😂4k 150+fps without any problem 🤷♂️🤷♂️ I'm rocking with an i9 and a 4090🤷♂️ I probably can upgrade to a 5090 but not downgrade to a ps5 pro😂😂😂
I hate all these graphics settings.. I just want game to be designed to it's best for the console.. I prefer the old console days... Put in a game and play it.
Need to do Returnal! First Game on PS5! Besides Ratchet and Clank.... you already did Ratchet and Clank! 😊! Like how is the Ps5 Pro helping that game. It has no Ps5 pro patch.
They can't do third party games only sony games they already remastered. If they showed any other games nobody even the sony fanboys would buy the ps5. You get a minor jump of 7 fps wouldn't bring a large crowd. Theres a reason why they only showed old games being replayed on a ps5 pro and skipped over showing actual new games lie wu kong alan wake and war hammer.
IThis happens with EVERY new console, for whatever reasons anyone has. In Norway and all countries dude... Tell us though how it has sold there in general.
@@kostasbousbouras2654 I cant tell because I dont have the numbers, but all stores have the PS5 in stock and scalpers are selling them at a lower price than in stores :D . Im a huge Playstation fan and I've had every console since launch. 17 years continious subscription on PS+. So dont get me wrong, I love PS. But the PRO is a hard sell and I am skipping it for now, as many others do. The price here in Norway is also horrible.
Jesas effing krist! How many more times do I need to play GOW? Why am I buying all these new consoles to play these old ass games? FPS? are you effing kidding me.
People still complaining, If you don't want to buy the pro then don't it's that simple, And yess I can see difference and it plays smoother on the pro, stop judging on a compressed youtube video...
@ no I don’t want to buy it. I’m not going to. I have freedom of speech. I can speak my opinion if I want to. When people say things I don’t agree with I don’t even waste my time putting my two cents in trying to argue. What u mad for did I say anything to you?
They didnt show performance mode using using TAA with high frame rate mode on .. The fps reaches higher pretty much almost 120... My tv is showing the fps ranging from 110 to 119 mostly 119 fps
Please make a video if a PC is worth it after PS5 Pro release. I see so many mad PC gamer try to defend there choice. When i ask them what hardware, they start to attack and then they say: i play at 4k 120 fps. If i ask deeper, it comes out, that they play with fake resolution fsr / dlss and even with fake fps and frame generation. So is it true that the average PC gamer play in lower fps and lower native resolution in reality? Now they give a ... when it comes to higher input lag and artefacts? Really funny to me.
Fake resolution?.. Fake Fps?.. I have no dog in this race, but holy meme, do you actually know how few games acrually run on native resolutions on consoles for last 2 generations?
I've a AMD RX 7800XT and I'm playing games in 4k 60fps locked in due to the fact I only have 60fps tv but if I had a 120hz tv and it was 4k I can definitely get 4k 120 with this card while ps5 pro has to turn their graphics down at medium to high even though I'm on my pc with the max settings no vrr or any of that fake graphics settings like the PS5 Pro they've to use PSSR to reach those numbers lol that's why pc is always going to be 6 years in front.
I have a PC. Get whatever you want man it doesn’t really matter how you prefer to enjoy your game. If you can afford it get a beefy PC, if not go for the PS5 pro. One thing that PC has that’s clearly superior to playstation, xbox, and switch is that most multiplayer games if not all multiplayer games are free to play online with friends, you don’t need to pay a fee like ps plus.
@@slingshotnerd You can buy and sell phyiscal games. At release Steam price (or cheaper), but with the advantage to sell it again. So multiplayer is a non issue. You get even more money back. PSN sales are close to Steam sales as well these days. And keep in mind, that many f2p games do not need ps plus.
IMO there’s one major flaw at the ps5 pro release strategy: They should’ve released the console with a killer new AAA game that takes advantage of the new hardware. Take me for example, I’m a sucker for FF games, I’ve gladly bought the pro if it meant the best experience on FF7 Rebirth on day one.
Thats what everybody with common sense said. The sony fanboy can't accept how stupid it is to buy a new system for older already remastered beaten games. But when a game runs like shit on the ps5 pro they say its isn't optimized or isn't optimized well. Its crazy they are so brainwashed they can't use that type of common sense.
Well, considering we don't know if ghost of yotei or death stranding 2 will release before GTA 6 I don't think delaying the pro just to land with a 1st party exclusive would make sense bc this is basically the GTA 6 console. And sadly ps game output has been slow. There are plenty of upcoming aaa games that will be best on the pro. Ppl who actually want the console don't need a thousand reasons to get it, it runs everything better.
Pretty on a par with 3070 but due to more optimisation on the console will perform between a 3070/80. But that’s just looking at the gpu. CPU isn’t the best on the ps which may hold it back. Everything on the pro is older game patches at the moment.
@@alphaj9 too weak....ps5 pro gpu is rx 6800 with 2800mhz core clock which 700mhz higher than original 6800 with nerfed memory clock and added tensor cores possibly from rdna4 in some cases ps5 pro probably the same as 4070 or even more which 30% faster than 4060ti ps5 pro gpu also have more texture rate than rx 6800xt according to techpowerup ps5 pro gpu have 672.0 GTexel/s texture rate
*Me watching this on my 1080p/60hz monitor*
Hmm, yes fascinating.
Same but 75hz. xD
why are you watching on a 1080p/60hz monitor?
🤝
I know, what a load of nonsense
@@EdwardCarstein we're broke😢😢 we can't afford expensive monitors
I inserted my grandmother into God Of War and immediately was forced to eat my vegetables.
😂😂😂😂
What??? 😂
@@_Refurbished_ "Eat your vegetables Boi, or you will see the women I once was."
You did WHAT to your grandmother!? Chris-Chaaaaaaan!!!!!
You inserted your grandmother ?😂😂😂
I would really appreciate if digital foundry release their user settings for display they are using in their lg oled
Its probably different for each person, their room, ambient lighting conditions etc. Basically the LG TVs are fairly idiot proof and tend to look good no matter how you set it up. With the new ones like C2 or newer, MAX OLED brightness is too much for gaming in a dark room, in my view
Fim maker mode.
I've been pleasantly surprised with my Pro so far, I'm seeing lots of improvements with unpatched games that I never expected.
Compared to the Pc hardware the Ps5 Pro is a laugh lol.
@ not for the price, the PS5 Pro is remarkable.
Not really no.@@Red-Revolution708
@@Red-Revolution708 The gaming experience is nowhere near as good as the PS5. Few games have proper controller support, none of them support the DualSense's full feature set, many games have game launchers requiring mouse & keyboard, power consumption for an equivalent PC is more than double that of a PS5 Pro, many games are poorly optimized and run worse on PC, which then requires spending more to brute force raw performance to compensate, and then there's the ease of HDR10, 4K UHD playback, and native Dolby Atmos support. Plus Sony's Tempest 3D audio has native support for Dolby Atmos home theater systems, so games using it can utilize height effect speakers. I'm constantly reading complaints from PC gamers wishing that they had the console UIs from console ports when using a controller. There's also the issue of nonexistent split-screen couch co-op on PC.
Redrev is just jealous
I felt like PSSR had some strange shimmering on textures and TAA didn‘t…
Exactly that. Most p
Try turn off Smoothing
This game is amazing on my qled uncapped with vrr and allm. Like im really blown away by this upgrade. Ps5 pro was an awesome investment
Why do i feel like i watched this yesterday
Deja Vu? 😮
They posted it yesterday but took it down
@@gorillagroddgamingI can’t even tell if df is taking the piss or not they just spam ps5 pro videos
Same
So it looks like the PSSR is doing more heavy lifting than the TAA. No wonder there some fps differences
And it's only the beginning
It looks like pssr blurrs the entire screen too dont forget to mention😅
@@wolfdeathseal5624 need PS5 Pro enhanced games build from the ground up. not games that already exist getting an enhance patch🤨
And its more blurrier. Watch analista videos or teu yourself like I did. These dudes are lying big time . That's why they ain't showing. A dude alone made already more comparison videos than them lol
Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.
The issue for Sony using GoWR as a standard bearer for PSP5 is the game was already so well made for PS5. Games which really REALLY need a PS5 patch like Elden Ring, dont have one. GoWR didnt even need an update, its soo well optimized. Honestly the PSSR vs TAA difference is negligible. Pretty, pretty whelming stuff...
agree. purchased ps5 pro and this was the first game i tested. my initial thought? minor upgrade from the already well optimized ps5 version. sony is cash grabbing
Only one game that needs a rework is bloodborne.
Elden Ring is not owned by Sony, you know that, right? It sounds like you're blaming Sony for not patching the games they do not own.
@@RandCarlton they can’t cash grab unless you actively choose to give them your cash. Unless there is someone holding a gun to your head or knife to your throat and forcing you against your will to purchase it, which I’m going to safely assume is not happening, then I don’t understand the complaint
When is John bringing back the accent?
We need a comparison video of the PS5 Pro vs the Switch Lite
They don’t share any of the same games hardly lol
@@kennypowers1945 did you actually think this was a serious comment?
We need a Lords Of The Fallen comparison between PS5 and PS5 Pro
Just booted it on my PS5 Pro it looks incredible
No, we don't. Good games only, please.
@@NoName-qd6vp😂 fuck LOTF god i hate that game, and I platinumed it…😂
It's irrelevant how LoTF looks, it's how it handles the load-in, "texture popping", mega frame drops etc that plague the PS5 in both modes.
Another PS3-era Souls-like (I suck at them and don't have the patience to play them lol)
Crazy how pc guys can’t see the difference in frame rate between a ps5 & and pro but can see extra frames on a pc with frame generation 😂
crazy how they got looped into nvidia saying 40 series only when Samsung have been doing it on 500mhz tv cpu's since 2008 lol!
@@lawnmanGman wait, did you just say Samsung TVs have been adding frames to games for well over a decade?
Care to elaborate? This is news to me
@@AnEyeRackythey significantly increase the latency in order to smooth out the image through some internal process, but it also made it look like smeared wet paint as if you cranked the motion blur higher than physically possible.
@@AnEyeRackyNot only Samsung, most Smart TV’s from any brand in the last decade. I used it in conjunction with BFI on my Panasonic OLED, and motion clarity gets boosted from 60 up to 240+. Insanely smooth and clear in motion, almost like CRT.
@@kristiangurholt59 use what? What is this technology? I literally have never heard of a display, adding frames to a game being rendered from a PC or console. This sounds like fantasy. How have I never heard of this? Please elaborate
Richard Leadbetter the sith lord.
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hatred leads to suffering!"
It would be great to make a video about 60hz and 120hz. Because PS5 doesnt offer 4:4:4 on 4k120hz mode with my LG OLED TV. I cant see big differences but on 60hz the colours are better i think because of RGB 4:4:4. Whats your choice?
They got another clip talking about the HDMI which was posted a couple days ago IIRC. But tl dr, the pro uses the same HDMI standard
4:2:2 is a minor downgrade, 120 FPS is easily worth a tiny hit to color depth
Not GOW related but where the hell is the Pro Upgrade for Silent hill 2?
Up to Team Blunder to do
We need that and Black Mtyh Wukong
On high setting you guys motion background is very attractive and crisp.. Solid choice
So to summit up they reccomend Pro Enchanced HFR mode with TAA for more fps, and the image quality with PSSR wasn't much better?
When did this patch come out? I was playing it on Sunday night and I could have sworn it had the pro mode
Exactly. Same for me!
Me too 😂
same. they must have uploaded this late
So to sum it up the ps5 pro is definitely an upgrade so people can stop hating . Now the question is can you just keep your base ps5 you definitely can if you don’t care about frame rates
Not caring about framerates is like saying you like games but the gameplay doesn't matter
how can it be a upgrade when it uses PSSR to get the frames.
@@EthanCarey-p8k a lot of us grew up with Atari 2600, super nintendo, Sega Genesis Etc . To most of us frame rates don't matter as much, there have been many classics they were running at like 10 frames per second LOL
@@akbgaming1987that’s like saying how is a pc an upgrade when it used dlss 😂😂😂😂🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾
@ what? Most retro games ran at 60fps. It was the invention of 3d that tanked framerates
It’s a great game , in PS5 pro , the game became even greater with additional frames and fidelity …as a gamers we are happy 😊 I wonder why certain bunch of humans are so insecure with this game doing great in PS5 pro 😅
It’s weird.
the pc crybaby fanboy
Were there an update that you can use PSSR with the quality mode?? I recall you said you couldn’t use it together. Also I have Favor Quality with PSSR and High frame rate mode on. VRR on my LGCX says it running at 118Hz but that’s not accurate I think, anyone have actual number for this mode?
Is ps5 pro okay with 1440p 144hrtz non-OLed?
I caved and traded my ps5 for the pro and it’s great all the games I’ve tried look amazing Spider-Man 2 looks great on ps5 but I was blown away with how good it looks on the pro the RUclips videos don’t do it justice
Here comes the angry PC fanboys and the I’m waiting for the PS6 cry babies
You forgot the Xbox fanboys who are just mad that there console is dying
It’s on par with a 4070s 12g
@@RogueSquadron80
At settings worst than the base PS5 due to the port not having certain settings ...bruh the PS5 pro got the PC community in an absolute blender....bruh you don't have to try to convince us...just enjoy your hardware!
Lol
Ps6. More likely get to ww3 before that hits lol.
What is 120 of the exact same picture gonna do. The other images are behind the image nothing happens.
Today, I went out and bought a PS5 Pro, although I'm still not happy with the price.
I transferred all my data from my PS5 to the Pro, and I checked out a few games to see how much better it looked (Horizon Forbidden West, GoW Ragnarok, Ratchet and Clank Rift apart, TLoU 2, Spider-man 2). I was not happy and couldn't tell where the differences were (on my Sony A80L oled 65 inch).
Then I thought: I can connect both PS5 and PS5 pro at the same time and compare by switching hdmi input. Then I saw the massive differences.
My conclusion: my mind played tricks on me remembering the PS5 versions as looking way better than they actually are (I had not played these games in more than 10 months).
Everything looks much sharper, with much more stable images, at ps5 quality settings at 60fps.
RUclips videos don't do the PS5 Pro justice.
For me, the PS5 pro is about clarity with ps5 quality settings at 60fps. It does not feel as a new console, it feels as the current generation should be.
If you have not seen the Pro irl and played with the Pro, then the PS5 is good enough. If you have played with the Pro, it is hard to go back to the PS5.
Is it worth the price? No. If it were 500 with disc drive, then I would recommend it.
Go test it out in a store.
What about 600
@mohammedsmith4047 No. It should not be more expensive than the PS5 at launch.
The store I went to, was still packed with Pro models. It's obvious it doesn't sell well. Sure, the initial numbers will be fine as scalpers bought a lot of them (and are now selling them at lower prices). But to see so many in stock after 10 days, doesn't bode well.
The price is the reason.
Hi, many thanks for your analysis !
What tool are you using to display the purple panel down the screen showing display parameters (FPS, resolution, etc …) ?
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This is the Game Optimiser Dashboard which is built into his LG OLED Tv.
@@marklewis3348 thanks ! Do you know any other solution to display FPS on TV when playing PS5 / PS5 Pro ?
@@gluzor If you want to see it on the display itself as you are playing then really the only solution I can think of is to use a Tv or Monitor that has that feature baked into its UI. All the other solutions like capture cards between the source and the Tv will require using their software to see the source frame rate on a PC and that is assuming you don't run into issues with VRR support etc.
So does the high frame rate mode lowers the game resolution? And if so should i then turn it off and play at lock 60fps?
Why didn’t you use the game dvr you recording from a camera
So they could show us the frame rates on screen.
Can you do a compare for PSVR2? RUclips has a lot of different opions. Some say placebo effect others say it is night and day difference. Also for games without a Pro patch
I’m still waiting another 3-5 months. Get it second hand, my og with the disc drive is just fine.
Game looks insane
a sweet old grandmother randomly appearing in a puddle in GoW is surprisingly hilarious.
Let's hope cyberpunk gets a patch for the pro
It's looks slightly better and runs smoother without any patch atm
@DF Clips Can you guys do Returnal? I see a noticeable difference on my pro.
I didn't see the option to switch between pssr and taa.
I just turned on the HFR mode and played and it looks fantastic and super smooth.
My pentium 3 pc and super nes still works just fine for me!!!
Wait... isnt the goal of PSSR to increase FPS? How can the non PSSR have 10 FPS more? Then what does PSSR do? Why use it?
Or is this like PSSR in quality mode in stead of in performance mode? Is that why it is 10 fps lower?
Yes looks very impress me watching at 480p resolution 😅
Point is that the game is running stable above 60 fps on 4k. And not so much that it does not hit 120 fps.
Question for pro owners. Anyone getting blank cutscenes in games with just sound?? Just had it with Elden ring at the beginning?!
Wonder how that one poindexter on your forum who claims the PS5 Pro will put a 4070 TI to shame (based on some comment one of you guys made) will take this. Why? Because a 4070 TI would definitely run this better with DLSS.
@@Artimidorus even a 4060ti will run it better with dlss😂
People complaining about granular upgrades in performance and visuals whilst simultaneously paying a granular upgrade in price in the from the standard PS5 to the Pro. How do you balance those two things simultaneously?
Is it better to use 1440p output to a 4k LG or to use 4k and let the game scale inside? (assuming from what you said that pssr here is outputting 1440 vs up scaling to 4k)
Let the game scale, try to keep the native resolution of your tv as much as possible.
If you stay further away from your tv you can output at 1440p, you won't see any difference and the game will run a bit better VS native and game scale and also save some vram since you run at forced 1440p.
This is for PC settings, for PS5 always use native rez.
PSSR is outputting 4K. 1440p is the base resolution its up scaling from.
You could’ve at least cropped the tv
...That IGN money is put to work. Nice camera guys
Anyone have picture settings for the s90d qd oled?
I'm sure half the whiners wished they never had an OG PS5 and would jump in today on the PRO.
I'm a first PS5 owner, and it's a PS5 Pro buddy. The graphic of this console is amazing, and I'm only playing FF Remake and Red Dead Redemption 2
I do wish I never played all the PS5pro upgraded games on the PS5 cuz I had a ton of issues with them and with the playstation games specifically at least, I ended up playing with the VRR mode, which was the only mode I liked.
Like I couldn't play Spiderman 2 on performance modw. It looked too blurry and ugly. I suggest everyone to play it in quality mode with VRR at 40fps.
Played God of war on quality mode with VRR as well. Final fantasy 7 rebirth I had to stop playing after 6 hours cuz it was just too goddamn blurry.
And the list just goes on, like Callisto protocol ù, re4remake, Alan wake 2 at 850p blurry as hell, space ,marine 2 in performance is super blurry etc...
BUT I actually waited for a lot of games and I have them still unopened since day 1, to play on ps5pro... Like lords of the fallen, rise of the ronin, FF7 rebirth (opened and played for only around 6 hours, mainly for the ps stars buster sword collectable 😆) and others... Sadly I don't have a disc drive cuz I didn't think scalpers would jump on them like hellhounds. Fuk me uh?
However I also have a few games I didn't get specifically waiting for a ps5pro version, like dragons dogma 2, stellar Blade, silent hill 2 and a few others.
So I have this MASSIVE back catalog of games to play...and I just got shadows of the damned hella remastered and the Alan wake DLCS (big waste of money. It's called Alan wake and there's like 14 female characters you get to play but no Alan wake. Doesn't give me much hope about the max Payne remake. Wonder if they will let me play as max at all).
And yesterday I was also debating if buying re4remake again but digital for the deluxe edition and the DLC I still have to play. I also play VR so I might jump into re4 and finish it cuz I never did. Because I play Tekken 8 and Helldivers 2 as my main addiction and have a friend that just started playing dead by daylight and made go back into it, while also buying PSVR2 and I gave him my account so he got all my 20+ games, always busting my balls to play VR too.
We just finished the campaign and 1 dlc of Arizona sunshine remake and gotta do the other dlc. Metro VR just came out and it's a VR masterpiece. Meanwhile I have like 5 VR games I didn't even try yet, like dead hook, vertigo 2, hubris, the anime bikes one, propagation and more...
I wish a day would last 48 hours so I could have the time to play everything. I'm drowning in games and more stuff just keeps getting out and I have no idea what to play first. Oh right... I got hi Fi rush last month cuz it was like 15€. Dying light 2 will come out on pspslus... My cousin's wife worked on black ops 6 and gave a code for it and I just tried the zombies mode so far, might have to finish the campaign at least.
And the ps5pro ain't helping cuz I wanna go back to games I already played. Even like Callisto protocol, which isn't amazing but I really liked it and my biggest issue was the performance mode being so goddamn blurry and it's implementation of FSR being so bad..
😫 Fine. From tomorrow, I'm ignoring all the random stuff and I'm jumping into a marathon of single player games I have to finish. One game at a time, no jumping around between 5 different games.
@@kato093TLDR...😖
@@SquallRangerRdr 2 does not have a ps5 pro patch. Not even a ps5 one for that matter
Well not a huge leap, just a little better it all depends in the games.
Does anyone plan to look into Star Wars Outlaws with a PS5 Pro patch? They’ve updated a few things since launch to make the widescreen mode worth it and the game could really use a resolution bump!
Im enjoying playstation foundry
They all have chest tattoos by now with the sony logo 😂
Just watch the Ghost of Yotei trailer and ask yourself, is this running on the base PS5 or the PS5 Pro?
Base ps5. Is says so when u watch the trailer. Or was it a retorical question?
coming from a ps3. would the ps5 slim be a nice upgrade. i am not a gamer i play now and again. i don't think i would notice the kind of stuff you guys do.
it’s a huge upgrade 😂
Wait until they are done with their price shenanigans with that slim, I'd say.
PS5 gaming is much smoother than the PS3 days.
I'm coming from sega mega drive and it's definitely an upgrade
Thanks for making these pro videos. U show the minimal returns u get from the pro. Glad I waited and didn’t pre order. It’s not worth it in my opinion and hearing people say if u have 2 TVs side by side u couldn’t tell which is which. It’s a pass on the pro
Now on PC and youtube users can not check performance of PS5 Pro games due to inferior technology. RUclips capped at 60fps and PC users with 1080p monitors
I don’t care what others say, a PS5 Pro will continue to get better and faster with the newer games. Gonna enjoy my QD-OLED and Pro until they don’t work anymore. Amazing combo at 4K 144hz.
I thought this was on the same level as my 4070😢
I hope we get a native PS5 re-release of God of War (2018) and a PS5 remaster collection of the Greek Saga games.
Will get massive backlash over it, greek saga would be a better choice
The recent god of war games are trash ngl, basically last of us game play with god of war skin. I would love a remake of all og god of wars from ps2 ps3 and psp in 1 package
Why are you guys lying? Saying pssr has more detail for away? Analista videos showed us that is not the case. And then I went to check myself and it is indeed more blurrier with pssr. On gow. On hogwarts on spiderman so on. Don't understand the lying here and it's funny that you guys don't even show side by side about that because you know it's blurrier
*No grandmas were harmed in the making of god of war: ragnarok*
I think.
Does it rok? ;)
PS5 Pro doing exactly what we wanted ❤
Exactly many of us knew exactly what we were buying, I wanted 60fps + fidelity = DELIVERED
Warzone / BO6, please test it tomorrow
I hardly doubt it! 0:06
Can we officially just call PSSR "pisser" 😂
GOD OF WAR Ragnarök looks and play gorgeous on the Ps5 base we all know that.
Your really splitting hairs on the improvements the Ps5 pro will bring to the game .
Ps5 Performance, runs at a locked frame rate of 60 fps, and uses dynamic resolution scaling - with a minimum of 1440p and a maximum of 2160p - to maintain it.
The Pro does not run the game at 60fps with Native 4k also .
You are missing the point. Now imagine that that performance mode with with quality bells and qhistles.
@tchlin yeah I notice more and more people say stuff about "how it looks too similar" when it's literally just the idea all games should start running 60-70(vrr) without losing the quality we've come to expect for gaming systems. So we get the best of both words for a fair price for the quality playstation is proving to give its gamers with each pro enhancement patch. I'm currently testing out every game myself and I'm very impressed
In the unlocked VRR mode it runs above 60fps and looks great. This is just one of those games where the Pro mode doesn’t mean much because the game was already so good on the base machine.
It’s not splitting hairs lol. Pro is a blatant upgrade that is much more significant in person. The graphics mode needed VRR to run at 40 fps. Pro enhanced gives you a similar look and over 60 FPS with PSSR. Performance mode on standard ps5 is a graphic down grade to both of those settings. Quite literally blows performance mode out of the water.
@@zaccarter3801 Great VRR. Now the Ps5pro needs a new TV along with a stand and disc drive .
Most people have a 4/60hz TV. which is fine 30-60fps gameplay only.
Future is here will only get so much Better as time goes on! :)
Yes, we can play most of the same games which are on PS4 but now at a much higher frame rate and resolution
@itsmatt517 cool!
If ony we could have proper games to go with the hardware, this is by far the lamest generation, just remakes and woke slop
Finally a good excuse to play the free Valhalla DLC
As a regular pleb slim user, I wish you could opt out of pro patches since they don't apply to us.
You are not a pleb, just a PlayStation amateur.
@@vanman266 I'd graduate to a pro, but 1100 bucks CAD for nicer visuals in Rebirth is asking a bit too much.
Do the options even show up on a reg PS5?
@@h.i.mcdunnough9421 Not that I've noticed. Playing Rebirth currently and the only graphics modes are "performance sharp or smooth" and "graphics."
@h.i.mcdunnough9421 No they Don't. I have Launch ps5 and ps5 pro. There's no other options on base ps5. Ps5 pro has a pro mode in certain games. Mainly ones already enhanced you'll see a pro mode. Otherwise pro does make the games look way better. Even on old ps5 settings. It's out putting better image quality and stability In 3d assets.
not enough PS5 Pro videos please make more
Game looks great running on the standard PS5 at 1080p
It looks stunning either way
Yes we know. But it looks and runs better on Pro, especially if you have a high end TV.
@@dan47483 I recall playing on my PS1 with a 14"CRT. 1080p is fine
John's mouth breathing runs at 240hz
LOL
Wow
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I’m not trying to start a fight or anything but Xbox need to stop with that 30FPS only. Give people options
@Dachsjaeger Grüße aus Deutschland 👍🏻
Taking back the pro today. I don't see any difference from my series x. 65" C4
The PS5 Pro's market audience are mainly consumers who have the technical eye for games. If you do not see the differences and gains, you are absolutely making the right decision in returning it and staying with the XSX.
@@ChayaneRuizTorreshe never had one, he's just an Xbox fanboy salty that PlayStation will have the best version of every console game for the next three to four years
Can you make a rise of ronin video
Never mind it still looks like ass
all this is why i have a pc. that is an egregious amount of money for no drive, no stand and questionable graphical upgrades over the base model. i have both a ps5 and pro, because i fix consoles, and when i had them both side by side, both on OLED TVs - the differences were... middling at best.
however when i swapped my PC in, granted the video card alone was $1000, but when i swapped my PC in, there was an actual, palpable difference in the 4k presentation. not pixel hunting to try to see what's what.
experiences that were fake 4k and 30fps are actual 4k/60 on PC, you can see it in motion and in every detail.
what really pissed me off was unboxing the vertical stand for $30 and it being the thinnest, cheapest, dumbest little piece of plastic you've ever seen. that was what pushed me right out my chair. like come TF on sony... really?
Why is PS5 antialiasing smoother? I mean the curves and shapes are smoother is comparison to nvidia’s GPUs. That sucks fr.
I love your content btw but blimey have you got partners or family.
Because if I turn on my ps5 I get grief 🤦♀️
It's never felt better to be a single loser, lol!
pc no rt cubes? looks like ps5 pro is the best place to play
Concord was dead on arrival just like Dragon Age Vanguard and if you want the best result i hate too say it buy a high end pc or build one
Not hating Ragnarok; I’m replaying on my Pro and have already spent 40 hours since it came out. But…it’s waaay overhyped, definitely on the graphics department. I’ll take Zero Dawn Remaster and Forbidden West over it ANY day.
It only looks cleaner and sharper....i love god of war but i dont understanding the hype in this video, the game is still based for ps4, aswell as ps5....what would black myth look like as it is a game that is next gen not a game thats for ps4 aswell.
GOW runs flawless in my PC 😂4k 150+fps without any problem 🤷♂️🤷♂️ I'm rocking with an i9 and a 4090🤷♂️ I probably can upgrade to a 5090 but not downgrade to a ps5 pro😂😂😂
PS5 DLAA mode it would be called PLAA
I hate all these graphics settings.. I just want game to be designed to it's best for the console.. I prefer the old console days... Put in a game and play it.
Me watching this on my eink monitor
I would be nice if the PS pro home menu put pro on. Officially patched games so we know. Also BO6 needs work
Yes, i agree 👌
And the perfect option imo : chosing in the home menu our preferences (perf or graphics, or pro mode, by default).
Need to do Returnal! First Game on PS5! Besides Ratchet and Clank.... you already did Ratchet and Clank! 😊!
Like how is the Ps5 Pro helping that game. It has no Ps5 pro patch.
Hmm I forgot about Returnal, it must look a bit smoother and run a bit smoother. That would be a cool one to see a Pro patch
They can't do third party games only sony games they already remastered. If they showed any other games nobody even the sony fanboys would buy the ps5. You get a minor jump of 7 fps wouldn't bring a large crowd. Theres a reason why they only showed old games being replayed on a ps5 pro and skipped over showing actual new games lie wu kong alan wake and war hammer.
@@danquaza9275 It wouldn't its a very heavy game they would be fools to try to use this to back up the ps5 pro lol.
@@alvinamana1459returnal was published by Sony
@jesseshaver2262 but it wasn't optimized an even if it was its way to much going on for Sony to lie like it would make any note worthy improvements
Cancelled my pre-order luckily. I already see used PS5 Pro's sold here in Norway, a week after launch. Not a good sign 😅
IThis happens with EVERY new console, for whatever reasons anyone has.
In Norway and all countries dude...
Tell us though how it has sold there in general.
@@kostasbousbouras2654 I cant tell because I dont have the numbers, but all stores have the PS5 in stock and scalpers are selling them at a lower price than in stores :D . Im a huge Playstation fan and I've had every console since launch. 17 years continious subscription on PS+. So dont get me wrong, I love PS. But the PRO is a hard sell and I am skipping it for now, as many others do. The price here in Norway is also horrible.
Jesas effing krist! How many more times do I need to play GOW? Why am I buying all these new consoles to play these old ass games? FPS? are you effing kidding me.
More frames is just more images adding more images does NOTHING 1 frame will be ok. And it’ll save memory
People still complaining,
If you don't want to buy the pro then don't it's that simple,
And yess I can see difference and it plays smoother on the pro, stop judging on a compressed youtube video...
@ no I don’t want to buy it. I’m not going to. I have freedom of speech. I can speak my opinion if I want to. When people say things I don’t agree with I don’t even waste my time putting my two cents in trying to argue. What u mad for did I say anything to you?
@@AlvinHam-gx5fl you sure can.
So Like I do,
People are way to mad that their console is way to pricey that's all
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They said in the video it seems using fidelity offers such small advantage vs pro performance, not a point in using fidelity.
They didnt show performance mode using using TAA with high frame rate mode on .. The fps reaches higher pretty much almost 120... My tv is showing the fps ranging from 110 to 119 mostly 119 fps
Please make a video if a PC is worth it after PS5 Pro release. I see so many mad PC gamer try to defend there choice. When i ask them what hardware, they start to attack and then they say: i play at 4k 120 fps. If i ask deeper, it comes out, that they play with fake resolution fsr / dlss and even with fake fps and frame generation. So is it true that the average PC gamer play in lower fps and lower native resolution in reality? Now they give a ... when it comes to higher input lag and artefacts? Really funny to me.
Fake resolution?.. Fake Fps?..
I have no dog in this race, but holy meme, do you actually know how few games acrually run on native resolutions on consoles for last 2 generations?
I've a AMD RX 7800XT and I'm playing games in 4k 60fps locked in due to the fact I only have 60fps tv but if I had a 120hz tv and it was 4k I can definitely get 4k 120 with this card while ps5 pro has to turn their graphics down at medium to high even though I'm on my pc with the max settings no vrr or any of that fake graphics settings like the PS5 Pro they've to use PSSR to reach those numbers lol that's why pc is always going to be 6 years in front.
@@akbgaming1987 Enjoy your PC, noboby else cares
I have a PC. Get whatever you want man it doesn’t really matter how you prefer to enjoy your game. If you can afford it get a beefy PC, if not go for the PS5 pro.
One thing that PC has that’s clearly superior to playstation, xbox, and switch is that most multiplayer games if not all multiplayer games are free to play online with friends, you don’t need to pay a fee like ps plus.
@@slingshotnerd You can buy and sell phyiscal games. At release Steam price (or cheaper), but with the advantage to sell it again. So multiplayer is a non issue. You get even more money back. PSN sales are close to Steam sales as well these days. And keep in mind, that many f2p games do not need ps plus.
the only benefit console player is the launch GTA 6
IMO there’s one major flaw at the ps5 pro release strategy: They should’ve released the console with a killer new AAA game that takes advantage of the new hardware.
Take me for example, I’m a sucker for FF games, I’ve gladly bought the pro if it meant the best experience on FF7 Rebirth on day one.
Thats what everybody with common sense said. The sony fanboy can't accept how stupid it is to buy a new system for older already remastered beaten games. But when a game runs like shit on the ps5 pro they say its isn't optimized or isn't optimized well. Its crazy they are so brainwashed they can't use that type of common sense.
Why it's just a upgrade games still will come out plus I skipped the base ps5 and switch for pro and switch two
Well, considering we don't know if ghost of yotei or death stranding 2 will release before GTA 6 I don't think delaying the pro just to land with a 1st party exclusive would make sense bc this is basically the GTA 6 console. And sadly ps game output has been slow. There are plenty of upcoming aaa games that will be best on the pro. Ppl who actually want the console don't need a thousand reasons to get it, it runs everything better.
Ps5 pro nice upgrade on my oled!
Now we know how PS5 Pro performs…. which NVIDIA GPU do you consider is the equivalent?
Probably a 4060ti
Something between the 4060ti and the 4070.
Pretty on a par with 3070 but due to more optimisation on the console will perform between a 3070/80. But that’s just looking at the gpu. CPU isn’t the best on the ps which may hold it back. Everything on the pro is older game patches at the moment.
@@alphaj9 I'd probably go a notch down and say 4060, maybe 3070.
@@alphaj9 too weak....ps5 pro gpu is rx 6800 with 2800mhz core clock which 700mhz higher than original 6800 with nerfed memory clock and added tensor cores possibly from rdna4 in some cases ps5 pro probably the same as 4070 or even more which 30% faster than 4060ti ps5 pro gpu also have more texture rate than rx 6800xt according to techpowerup ps5 pro gpu have 672.0 GTexel/s texture rate
pssr modes should be called urinal mode. 😂