**PURE HORROR** Full Metal Jacket (1987) Reaction: FIRST TIME WATCHING
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R. Lee Ermey was a real drill instructor in the military and that’s the reason he is so quick with the insults and so believable in this role.
I believe he came on as a consultant, and Kubrick decided to use him. He's awesome in Frighteners
Boot camp is still tough, but there have been a few changes since the time period of the movie in terms of recruit physical abuse.
@@Deepthoughtsabound Yes, he was a consultant first. He’s been great in everything I have seen him in.
@@katrinacash6393 he was great 👍
the only marine, who got promoted while in non active duty.
"Did your parents have any children that lived?!"
"I bet they regret that!"
One of the best lines of all time.
Awesome cat pfp
The real reason EVERYONE participated in attacking Pyle (despite some clearly not wanting to) is simple: If EVERYONE is guilty, NOBODY can rat out the others without incriminating themselves.
Obviously
I witnessed a blanket party in basic training and the only guys that took part were the dickheads. It was ugly, and causes lasting shame in the life of the victim, just some poor kid who couldn't hack it.
@@japtmanFor those who can… Not everyone knows it especially people with strong civilian mentality or no motivation or goals to even be military.
I wouldn't have taking part in Pyles Blanket Party, but I would have approved. Ain't nothing worse, that being continuously punished for someone else
Take it from someone who was a Marine: Pyle had it coming after the jelly donut stunt.....they specifically tell you nit to take chow into the barracks during recruit training....mainly due to sanitary reasons, but also for discipline reasons....AND they don't want the fat bodies sneaking chow; they are trying to get them fit. Also, it IS a big deal to secure your footlocker. Recruits do steal, so the DIs are trying to instill the habit of securing your gear ( Gear adrift is gear agift ).....Pyke KNEW chow was not allowed in the recruit squad bay, yet he tried to sneak it in.
All that said, I could understand if Pyle was one of those kids with 2 left feet and was just uncoordinated, yet put forth some effort. But after the jelly donut scene, I don't feel bad for him. I get everyone makes mistakes. Recruit training is set up for that, but they want you to own your mistakes and at least try. And when you're told specifically to do or not do something, you do as you're told.. I know from experience the DIs make it a point to tell you no chow in the squad bay!! Bet your ass I did as I was told!
It saved my life. Made it through Iraq in 03. I thank my DIs to this very day.
My dad was a dust off medic in Vietnam for two tours and was awarded two bronze stars. He told me this film was the most realistic he had seen on the war which is why he didnt watch it more than once. My whole childhood you couldnt wake him up on the same side of the room because he would come up swinging like a psycho.
yup. If you have a combat vet like that, you throw something at them or say something loud from a distance or you're about to get attacked.
The Vietnamese had been at war with someone for a long time before the US entered. They fought the French for a long time just before we entered, so the Vietnamese knew war well and that young girl and her parents had known war their entire lives.
Yup they also fought against the Japanese in ww2. Plus they were fighting off French occupation both before and after ww2, and the Chinese before that. In the movie We Were Soldiers, someone says “they’ve been fighting for independence for a thousand years.”
@@meminustherandomgooglenumbers And the Mongols
Ya the Vietnamese don't think of war in terms of years they think in terms of decades.
@@meminustherandomgooglenumbers
If you want to see an incredible review of just what that war was all about get the Vietnam War documentary by Ken Burns, I think it was released in 2017. You won't believe just how f'd up that was. It's a 10 disc set and was done using incredible research and all points of view were given - including Vietnamese ( both sides). You will get the real facts like Ho Chi Minh was approached by the OSS (predecessor to the CIA) during WW2 to help us fight the Japanese occupiers, he even called his army the Viet-American Army. Following WW2 he practically begged the US to just smooth out the French and prevent them from reclaiming their colony which they held since 1858. What did we do? Because he was communist we turned against him when that whole thing could have been easily avoided. Just one f up after another. By the time the Viets defeated the French in 1954 at Dien Bien Phu the US was footing 80% of the bill for the French to fight to keep their colony. After that final battle the Geneva convention called for a vote in 1955 to unify the country and even President Eisenhower admitted that 'Ho' would have received 80% of the popular vote but we decided to back the newly formed South Vietnamese Republic and prevented the vote. Do you start to get the picture just how the US government f'd up?
Following WW1 'Ho' pleaded with the Western countries to recognize Vietnamese sovereignty when all the treaties were being formed. They just blew him off and that is when he went to the newly formed Soviet Union (at the time it was called Lenin's Russian Republic) because of Lenin's communist posture against colonialism. So what it comes down to is the West created the whole problem for themselves by ignoring the petitions of people like Ho Chi Minh. These are the kind of things you would learn from the documentary. Includes exactly how the US got involved all the while keeping all the details hidden from the US population - just like they're doing now.
Fortunately for me I graduated high school in 1971 and thereby avoided being drafted when Nixon finally decided to pull out.
Pvt Pyle was drafted. Quitting wasn't an option
The Marine Corps didn't draft anyone, it wouldn't matter, the armed forces once you enlist, there is no quitting.
@@Nomad-vv1gkYou are incorrect. The first draftee I met was at Camp Geiger, December 1965. 42,600 were drafted for Vietnam according to Google.
Even if someone was drafted, what would stop a person from quitting if they either couldn't serve or refused to serve? Say for example you had a conscientious objector that was drafted and he outright refused to serve what would happen then? Would he go to prison? Would he be re-assigned elsewhere?
@@HammerHeart3229 Prison most times. Only way out was wealth.
@@HammerHeart3229 This actually happened with Beach Boys guitarist Carl Wilson. He was drafted for Vietnam in January 1967, but refused to go. He was arrested in April of that year by the FBI, challenged his prosecution via being a conscientious objector, but it took years for the courts to work it out.
Rafterman, the photographer, was played by Kevyn Major Howard. He was my neighbor for a few years. He did a handful of movies but then decided to actually become a photographer. For a number of years, he was one of the leading headshot photographers in Hollywood.
Vicent D'onofrio... His acting is such good in this. When you pay attention his facial expression, when they start to change as his psyche breakes down. Its actually scary good acting... and that face he makes at the end, it always scare bejesus out of me.
Literally the only thing I remember about this movie!
Dude never made it in country and still got the thousand yard stare
In terms of money, the scenes of when Joker is in Vietnam the year is 1968 according to Wikipedia. So $15 in 1968 is worth approximately $131.51 now.
Yup that’s why people who were alive back then still treat coins as if they have value.
Early 1968 to be exact. The background of this movie is the Tet Offensive (look it up). The city where the patrol takes place is Hue.
Compared to other areas of Viet Nam the attacks at Da Nang where not particularly heavy. The main attacks in I Corps was Hue and the DMZ.
Fun Fact about this movie: After it came out the USMC and US Army issued investigations to see if recruit training was actually as bad as portrayed in the movie and the reports came back that if anything it was actually much worse in real life.
That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
I went through Army basic shortly after this film came out. It was an experience. I could see the DI’s learned from this. As to losing weight, I lost 40lbs in 2 months.
Bullshit, it was against the law to hit a trainee, and racist language was strictly forbidden, it would cause a riot. R. Lee Ermey has attested to this and said he would have been court-martialed for this. I'm still waiting for someone to recognize Hartman as the profane, obscene sadist he was. I'm a Vietnam veteran.
Any source you could share for your info?
Felt that way too me
The helicopter gunner was originally going to be the drill instructor and Ermy was hired to only be an advisor. He did such a good job Kubrick offered him the role of drill instructor. That song when they are entering the city is called Surfin’ Bird.
While I do not know if it was Kubrick's intent, the character of "Pt. Pyle" seems like it was meant to depict probably an untold number of drafted men that had some undiagnosed form of autism being thrown into the extreme stress of a military basic training. He was basically emotionally abused to a point where he became fixated on the lessons beat into him and had a complete meltdown.
It's been mentioned before, but google up "Project 100,000" during Viet nam.
@@pedrolopez8057 Also called McNamara's Morons.
Amen, Hartman was amusing but he was profane and a sadist, that's crystal clear.
I believe the pvt. Pile story arch is a commentary on the Project 100,000, which sent 100,000 handicapped men to fight in vietnam.... and also the way the military strips people of individuality and then builds them back to up to follow orders.....
McNamara's Folly, lowered the IQ requirement to get a bunch of poor saps killed
Was hoping someone would bring this up.
I agree. At a time when rich kids could stay home due to bone spurs and braces, they were sending people to Viet Nam who couldn't learn to throw a grenade. Those poor bastards were dead before they hit the ground.
Weird how Joker had a better ability to de-escalate a situation than the Drill Instructor.
Even though Joker was one of the people that beat him with soap, I think Leonard "Pyle" still saw him as one of the only people that was there for him or tried to be on his side. He addressed him by his first name on many occasions.
Word DI’s don’t have in their vocabulary: de-escalate.
“He just needs to quit”
Kinda missed the point of conscripted service, there is no quitting when drafted. The only real option when drafted into one branch is to enlist in another one. My dad did that during Vietnam, his number came up and was called to the Marines, he chose to enlist in the Air Force. In Leonard’s case, he wouldn’t have scored high enough on the ASVAB, which I think they still called it then, for the Air Force to accept him. Back then the Marines were known to take just about anyone, regardless of physical or mental state, and even down to age 17 with a guardian’s signature. If the entire goal is to throw as many bodies as possible at the enemy, and it’s assumed you’ll have 50% casualties, it really didn’t matter.
You are totally full of shit, none of the services took "just about anybody", the US military in Vietnam was very capable and VN vets were proven superior to WW2 vets, best by test, facts.
Exactly he just can't quit when hartman tells him you drafted
"Was this filmed in Vietnam?"
No, it was filmed in Britain like almost all of Kubrick's other films.
Pvt. "Gomer Pyle" couldn't just quit. There were some men who chose to enlist, but by and far more were drafted. If your family couldn't afford a college tuition and prove a hardship, you went! No choice or say in the matter. Pvt. Pyle appears to have grown up in a rural area and didn't have many social skills. Top it off with the time period he represents, he played the hell out of his character! His acting when his PTSD hit, that far away look in his eyes, the hopeless depression and its no wonder he did what he did. Sad really. Makes me cry every time I watch it. My pops was too old to go but so many of my friends dads went there. All of them suffered silently. Some through alcohol or drugs, some through violence or both and some chose never to discuss it. My grandpa fought in WWI, he was on the second fleet for D-Day Normandy Beach. He suffered schrapnel wounds, he had 13 total and 7 remained when he passed. He never spoke of it. I understand that he became an alcoholic but one day quit drinking and smoking cold turkey. He was resolute, straight forward and honest. He was stern but caring, a lot like R. Lee Ermy was in real life.
Oh yeah, I got a chuckle out of it when the reactor said “he should” quit”.
good point, I dont think kids these days understand the draft, or worse yet StopLoss
they didn't have PTSD back then, it was called shellshocked.
you could if you had bone spurs
@@xxxmikeyjock "Stop Loss" is just a rebranding of a draft.
Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket" and "A Clockwork Orange" are among the most disturbing films ever made, and yet we cannot look away, as they are also among the best films ever made. Kubrick's legacy is eternal.
The author of the book this was adapted from (called 'The Short Timers' by Gustav Hasford) was a combat correspondent in Vietnam, like Joker. There is a third section to the book missing from the movie where Joker is going insane
The book is amazing and doesn't get nearly enough love! Same goes for its sequel, The Phantom Blooper.
Private Pyle definitely had a development disorder of some kind. Under better circumstances, he wouldn't have been in the military at all. But, with Vietnam claiming as many bodies as it did, draft standards were obviously low.
Due to the need to get men to Vietnam, the training time was reduced as well. I think I remember Ermy himself in an interview stating that drill instructors had to be harsh because they had less time to get recruits ready to send to Vietnam. It was a question of being hard to get the men prepared as well as possible in the reduced time.
Prob part of "Project 100,000" : "August 23, 1966. In order to meet a growing need for military personnel in Vietnam, Secretary of Defense McNamara announces the start of Project 100,000. It is a social program that allows the military to accept men who do not meet the standards on the Armed Forces Qualification Test or who have physical limitations."
@@Henrik_Holstso essentially cannon fodder.
That is a falsehood, Vietnam soldiers were superior to WW2 soldiers by every measuring metric, facts. Stop slurring 'nam vets.
R Lee Ermey once said that he felt his character Sergeant Hartman was NOT a good drill instructor because he didn’t see that Pyle had some real problems and probably should have been out of there. It wound up costing Hartman his life.
It has to be noted that R. Lee Ermey said that his character was an example of a Drill Instructor who had gone way over the line. Since he had been a D.I. himself I imagine he had encountered other instructors in his time who were just like Hartman. He played the role, but he didn't condone the behavior.
Mickey Spillane was a crime novelist. He died in 2006, I believe, and sold over 225 million copies of his books. His most famous character was Mike Hammer. I think the use of his name in the context of this movie is somewhat satirical. Spillane was known in the same regard as Stephen King is now. Very prolific, but also, not necessarily a great writer in the sense of a Hemingway or Twain.
The entire introduction of Hartman is ICONIC! And it completely cemented R. Lee Ermey as "the military guy" in movies for DECADES!
Hartman was not a military guy, he was a sadist, you are just living with psychic numbing because you kill people in video games all day and live in a violent, dystopian society.
In case you didn't notice, Joker is played by Matthew Modine who was also Jim Gordon's partner in The Dark Knight Rises as well as Martin Brenner from Stranger Things. Pyle is Vincent D'Onofrio who was the bug alien from Men in Black and Kingpin from Netflix Daredevil.
**Surfin’ Bird starts playing**
Thor: “What’s this song?”
Peter: “Oh, you mean you haven’t heard?”
Thor: “Heard what?”
Stewie: “FFFUUUUUUUUU-!!!!!”
The Vietnam was was a horror show. Destroyed so many people mentally in addition to the ones that actually 💀d
any war is like that. can you imagine the damage to people that had to go to the gulf wars that were for nothing? in the 90s I met US service men that were waiting to go over. too young to drink in the US they crossed in to Canada to hit the bars. cant imagine how that would feel
Vietnam vets also earn above average and are above average in most similar things..
@@ja37d-34 yeah well they recruited my dad underage and he saw so much horror he would cower and cry in the corner if he saw a war movie come on, and he became an alcoholic to drive away the nightmares, which eventually killed him. Add that to the amount of VW vets with similar stories and all those who are living on the streets with no health care and fighting PTSD among other things, and I'm sorry but 'VW vets earn more' doesn't resonate too much.
@@enicole1203 Maybe so. But I was not talking about your dad, an individual. But the average. There is a yth all Vietnam vets were psycich wrecks and miserable. Which is not true.
@@ja37d-34 you stated it as though it was a counterpoint to my original statement, which was, the VW wrecked so many people. That is, in fact, true. Whether others are high earners or whatever is not really relevant.
Private Joker at first always had a comment or reaction and a more lively personality but later on he ended up with that thousand yard stare that the other soldiers were talking about. He was completely different at the end.
That whole thing about "your not allowed to die without permission." is also 💯
The boot camp sequence is probably the best depiction in cinematic history.
I would have absolutely died in that boot camp, because I'd be dying laughing. When I was in basic training, I got hemmed up more than a couple of times because when drill sergeants start going off, they get HILARIOUS.
"Did your parents have any children that lived?" That line kills me *every* time. X'D
I can't speak for the Marines, but when I went through basic in the army, it wasn't *nearly* as intense as depicted in this movie. One of the guys in my unit that went through basic a few years after I did, his description was that it was basically summer camp. No yelling, no corporal punishment, and he even said they had a pizza party.
That blanket party scene is brutal to watch.
No, it's not, because hitting trainees and using racial slurs were illegal, so you don't know what you're talking about. I don't remember anyone dying laughing in infantry training and bound for Vietnam.
@@davisworth5114 I said *I* wouldn't be able to do it. Which clearly takes my current personality into consideration. Not some theoretical 1960s mindset. So...that was just stupid.
And I said it was the BEST depiction. Never said it was an ACCURATE depiction. Very clearly my opinion in any case. Given that I'm 36 years old, I was never in Vietnam-era boot camp. I don't know what they did or didn't do.
I really don't understand what your comment's about, exactly, but hey. If you wanna hate-comment, you do you boo-boo. If you want to misinterpret my comments, that's on you, dude.
R. Lee Ermey was a Drill Instructor. Not drill sergeant. Different branch
same round browns that tore you a new asshole in bootcamp
Entire movie was filmed in England. Boot camp was a British army base in Cambridgeshire, the open country scenes are the flat plains of Norfolk and the busted Vietnam city was an old derelict industrial gasworks in east London.
This was mild compared to what happened. Then they accidentally killed a congressman's son and some things were toned down. Far less physical abuse but compensated by lots of psychological abuse, which has become more sophisticated over the years.
You have no evidence and R. Lee Ermey has said he would have been fired had he been caught doing the things he did, especially his sadistic abuse of Pvt. Pyle.
Sgt. Hartman: Your FIRST and LAST word will be "Sir," do you understand that?
Thor: Yes, sir.
Uh, you didn't understand the instructions. LOL
he was doing his Private Pyle impersonation.
Full Metal Jacket may be the name of the movie, but it's also the type of rounds commonly used in standard issued fire arms.
One of the clearest early childhood memories I have is walking into the living room at night where my parents were watching this, seeing the Pyle ends himself scene, and promptly getting a hefty dose of PTSD at 4 yrs old. I didn't know what that scene was from until about my early 20s when I fell into a crush/obsession with seeing everything Vincint D'onofrio did & had a heart attack when I saw it in this movie. ☠️
you can't get PTSD from watching a movie, dummy. This snowflake generation thinks a hangnail is traumatic.
The whole thing about naming a Rifle a woman's name and sleeping next it is 💯
This movie is a timeless classic!
Filmed in the UK
@@johnmoreland6089 I'm not sure but I think entirely in the UK. I've not read of another location.
I graduated from Marine Corps boot camp in Parris Island South Carolina in 1986. Drill instructors never run out of good material and R. Lee Ermey was a Marine Corps drill instructor. Also not to be picky but Marines hate to be called soldiers. This is definitely an anti-war film by Kubrick and a masterpiece. I think Private Pyle's character was on the spectrum. A sense of humor is very important in combat to help maintain your sanity.
Many people thing it’s an anti-war movie. It’s not. Kubrick is brilliant: The movie is about philosopher/psychologist Carl Jung who believed in the shadow of man. (Look up the song 46 and 2 by Tool). The shadow is ourselves, the base animal instinct to kill, the dark side of humanity. At one point, It is stated that Joker wears a peace sign and has war is peace written on him to express the duality of man “the Jungian thing, Sir”. The drill sergeant Hartman states that if you don’t have a hard heart, “you will not kill” When the time comes to react, he fails to shoot the sniper. In the helicopter, Joker asks how can you shoot women and children? - yet at the end of the movie he does both; shoots a young girl. The more complex: the drill sergeant tells Pyle he is “born again hard” Jungian philosophy/ psychology is that we must die unto ourselves to reveal our true nature. Pyle becomes a killer, killing the drill sergeant and then kills himself. Dying unto himself. In Vietnam, Joker encounters Animal Mother.
Is he the shadow of Pyle, born again hard?
Both were the largest man in the platoon. Animal Mother is the alter ego of Gomer Pyle. In one scene, Pyle is running in slow motion center framed during training with those beside him holding him up, helping him along. Second phase of the movie, Animal Mother is running by himself in the same way, center framed on his own; shooting as he goes. A killer going on base instinct. The movie is sheer brilliance by Kubrick, showing the inside of Jung’s Shadow concept.
Army= soldiers.
Regarding the "good material" the drill instructors never run out of, I wonder if these punishments they dole out to the recruits were made up on the spot by them or if the drill instructors were taught these punishments in drill instructors school. I'm not talking about the usual push ups as punishments.
The punishments I'm talking about are so unique and original. Making Pyle walk with his pants at his ankles. Making Pyle sit there, sucking on his thumb. Etc. And there are countless other unique real life punishments that I've read about. Do these punishments come out of some handbook that exists only in drill instructor school or do the drill instructors actually come up with these things off the top of their own heads?
A lot of the reactors who are younger than say 35, I wonder if they know what the name Pyle is in reference to. If the reader does not know, look up Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.
I remember seeing this movie back in my early 20s. Recruiters in schools were a major thing. I had a recruiter and he took me to an internet cafe. It was rented out by the US Army to see what 'skills' recruits can do on a computer. Oh, I put skills in quotes due to it being on a computer and not actually firing a weapon. Out of 30 targets, I had hit 29 due to being kicked off as another event was happening. The 'bathroom scene' off put a lot of the guys around me. Over half were already in the Army. They blatantly said, 'that's no way to talk to an armed person while unarmed, more so if that weapon is pointed at you'.
Break out role for Vincent D'Onofrio...he has some incredible acting skills and is so in touch with the psychology of killers, he's brilliant on Law & Order: Criminal Intent. REC: The Deer Hunter (Christopher Walken, Robert De Niro).
imo, THE best law & order.
He Was in The First Men in Black
Gunny Ermey (the man who played GSgt Hartman) was a gem of a man. A gentleman, a warrior. he was a wayward youth and after getting arrested for the 2nd time the judge gave him a choice, military service or jail. He enlisted in the US Marine Corps, and found his purpose in life, went to Vietnam, got injured in combat then he became a real life Drill Instructor at Marine Corps recruit depot San Diego.
after retirement he was promoted to Gunnery Sgt by the Commandant of the Marine Corps himself (1 of three marines to ever be promoted post retirement). after that he started his hollywood career and in many ways become the face of the Marine Corps. Alot of us when we think of a Marine we think of Gunny Ermey.
He was wearing his real uniform in the movie, that wasn't a costume.
RIP warrior
Never been to the military, but when I went to visit a friend in basic, i spent some time waiting outside while drill sergeants yelled at a couple of groups. Yes, they had lost their voices and were very hoarse
Fun fact: the hair cutting scene is acually the scene they shoot last. The actors had to shave their heads before shooting the film and then they let their hair grow back out. Then just when all thought now i'm done they were told that they had to shoot this scene. That is why so many of them look sad and angry.
I did basic in the army at Ft Leonard Wood in 96. Right after we were bussed to Ft Sam Houston in Texas for AIT. Someone bought a vhs copy of it at the PX and that’s the first thing we watched on the way there. Although marines what the movie shows was dead on what we just went through minus a month.
We had a drill instructor that was a dead copy in insults and cadence to R L Ermy. He was actually a very decent and fair person and had my respect by the end of it despite getting smoked for infractions on a number of occasions. Never took it personal. We also had the exact opposite on other occasions who was a complete asshole. Very memorable experience.
One quick note, the army during the Vietnam war was comprised of draftees versus volunteers. Being forced puts the moral of the soldiers on a bad foot from the start and how messy the whole thing was in a apt description.
No, this movie was not shot in Vietnam. If I remember correctly, all of it was shot in England.
When Joker says he wants to be the first kid on his block with a confirmed kill, he's joking. He deals with the horrors of war through detached humor.
Dude it is so strange to me that nearly EVERY reaction channel that watches Full Metal Jacket doesn't pick up on these things. In this instance, Joker's character constantly satirizing American war-like ideals.
13:40 Notice that Pyle pulls a magazine out with live loads still in it. That's what he put in his rifle later. Drill instructor didn't notice. Ronald Lee Ermey the drill instructor was a drill instructor in real life. US Marine Corps staff sergeant and an honorary gunnery sergeant. I read where he came up with *150 PAGES* of insults while working with the set. Dude was a beast. He passed in 2018. Rest in peace, sir. Thank You for your service. Another fun fact is that Ermey admitted being a troublemaker and a bit of a hell-raiser in his younger years. He frequently got into trouble. In 1961, when he was 17, his mother took him to a judge in an attempt to correct his behavior. The judge gave the young Ermey a choice between military service or jail. He chose military service. It worked out quite well for him. For this movie he also got a Golden Globe nomination for Best Supporting Actor.
One of the better reactions to this film on RUclips; thank you
A lot of others just seemed clueless
The film definitely tracks real Vietnam War history and timeline around the Tet offensive and the Battle of Hue. My dad entered the USMC in 1967 as a high school dropout at 17 years old, junior year. He couldn't or wouldn't watch this movie. After hearing a lot about my dad's experience from him, watching this movie helped me realize the nature of his experience. And yes, that kind of violence in USMC bootcamp in the 60s definitely happened from what I heard from my dad.
Wrong, hitting recruits and using racial slurs were ILLEGAL, I was there.
@@davisworth5114 Lots of things were illegal, but they happened. there were two ways to do things SOP or the Marine way. We had a vote in my platoon and at the end I was the only one to vote SOP. The SDI said he would send me to Motivation Platoon so I could change platoons. after sleeping on it I changed my mind and told the SDI I would do it his way. A couple of days later the SDI told me to pack a field transport pack to go to motivation the next day. I said No, which in hindsight was foolish. I was placed under arrest with two recruits guarding me. After evening chow I was standing at attention at the end of the squad bay near the DI House. The two Jr. DIs were standing behind me and started a conversation which I could clearly hear. One said to the other”Did you bring the car?”. The other said “Yea, we can cut his arms and legs off, spread them in the swamp, they will never find him.” My reaction was they were just trying to scare me. The SDI called another recruit up and to bring his weapon. When the recruit arrived the SDI took the M14, opened the bolt, took what looked like a live round out of his pocket, put it in the chamber, and handed the weapon back to the recruit. The SDI informed the other recruit that he was going to execute me. The SDI the tried three times, Ready, Aim, Fire. On the third or fourth time giving the order the SDI grabbed the recruit and forced the trigger pull and it were CLICK, and the SDI yelled Damn Miss fire, get the poison. They put a bottle with a poison label skull & crossbones on the label and ordered me to drink it. I refused and someone grabbed me from behind, forced my mouth open, and poured mouthwash into my mouth. Since I recognized the taste of the mouthwash I was sure it was not poison.
I completed packing and was marched from 3rd Bn to motivation down around the rifle ranges. It was mid July and I had heat stroke during the forced march. My temperature was 106 when I arrive in sick bay and was immediately packed in ice. After a couple of days I was sent back to be interviewed by the Series Gunny, and the series commander a 1st Lt.. I was assigned to another platoon in the same series, and received the same as Joker received from Hartman after his John Wayne comment. I was 17 at the time.
it was filmed it was filmed in London, because Stanley Kubrick is afraid to fly. So he had the trees flown in.
"Was this filmed in Vietnam? I am curious."
Movie was filmed in London, Cambridgeshire and Norfolk.
He movie was based on a novel called "The Short Timers" by Haney, I think that's the name. It was based on his own experiences through boot camp and in Vietnam. The characters were supposedly based on people he knew. The book is long out of print and hard copies tend to be expensive, but there are copies online.
Mickey Spillane (sp) was a famous writer, mostly detective novels.
The Battle of Hue was pretty tough. It was the ancient capital of Vietnam and was a fortified city. The NVA targeted it because there were still political, military and aid group centers there, but mainly for the propaganda value. As such, several battalions were sent in in essentially fought to the death. Some other units outside the city withdrew. There is speculation that an objective of the Tet Offensive was to weaken or destroy the Viet Cong somthe North Vietnamese wouldn't have to deal with them later, rather similar to the way Stalin encouraged and uprising of the guerrillas in Poland and once they did, the Red Army stopped for a few weeks.
That probably wasn't celebration exactly. More like shock and the sudden release of tension. And yes, the thing to have done in this case was backtrack to the last checkpoint and try again the right way.
R. Lee Ermey is an absolute legend and was not acting, he was actually a drill sergeant. He also had a great show on the History Channel called "Mail Call." Back when the History Channel had shows about History. Rest in Peace
Not a Drill Sargent, a Drill Instructor. Drill Sargents are Army, not Marine Corps.
Man, Mail Call was my jam. Loved that show. The man had a vendetta against watermelons and it was always an absolute pleasure to watch him chop them up with whatever piece of military tech he had to talk about.
Loved Mail Call.
Good reaction I've seen parts of this it seems good I'm glad you had fun watching it👍
Now you see how Private Pyle became the Kingpin!!
If you’re looking for other Kubrick movies to watch I highly recommend “Dr. Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.” A very dark satire comedy about the Cold War. It’s one of my all time favorite movies, and is brilliant.
Then there are the brilliant 2001 and Clockwork Orange that followed.
@@flarrfan and let's not forget "The Shining"!
14:56 Mickey Spillaine wrote mysteries. Many people in my age bracket (I'm 54) best remember him from beer commercials "...we laughed, we drank, to be continued..."
Other great Vietnam War Movies ,Apocalypse Now --directed by Francis Ford Coppola (The Godfather ),Platoon directed by Oliver Stone ,Hamburger Hill directed by John Irvin, Go tell the Spartans directed by Ted Post ..To see what happened in Cambodia watch the Killing Fields .
Excellent recomendations. The Killing Fields is forgotten gem about forgotten genocide.
Except for the basic training scenes, this movie was filmed entirely in England. True.
Correct it was filmed at bassingbourn barracks in kent, I did my own training there.
What a CLASSIC ..... masterpiece
It is a different genre and kinda hard to find on streaming websites but i recommend "The Piano" (1993) with Holly Hunter ❤
I was in Boot Camp in 97 and that was the last year that a lot of this could go on. They started implementing a lot of changes.
My Mom was in the army during Operation Desert Storm from '88 to '91. When we watched this she explained the dinner happened at 5 pm. The next time you ate was the next morning at 8 am. She said many people would eat more than usual to make sure they were not hungry by morning. During boot camp before 9pm lights out they would have everyone drink an entire canteen of water. During the drills and training you were not allowed to drink water so they fill you with water the night before. If for any reason you stopped drinking the canteen halfway through they would empty it, refill it full, and make you drink the whole thing again.
Since Jokers name is “Joker“ I believe when he says, “I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill”, he is probably joking.
"Without my rifle, I am useless."
"In war, also true."
Just for that comment, I will suggest you watch Hacksaw Ridge. It's a true story.
This is an anti war film, rather than a film about our troops fighting the enemy in their homeland.
It’s more of a psychological thriller
Interestingly, Kubrick didn't consider it anti war. He considered Paths of Glory to be his anti -war movie. This one was just a war movie that happened to be about a particularly brutal and senseless war.
It’s not an anti - war movie. Kubrick is brilliant: The movie is about philosopher/psychologist Carl Jung who believed in the shadow of man. (Look up the song 46 and 2 by Tool). The shadow is ourselves, the base animal instinct to kill, the dark side of humanity. At one point, It is stated that Joker wears a peace sign and has war is peace written on him to express the duality of man “the Jungian thing, Sir”. The drill sergeant Hartman states that if you don’t have a hard heart, “you will not kill” When the time comes to react, he fails to shoot the sniper. In the helicopter, Joker asks how can you shoot women and children? - yet at the end of the movie he does both; shoots a young girl. The more complex: the drill sergeant tells Pyle he is “born again hard” Jungian philosophy/ psychology is that we must die unto ourselves to reveal our true nature. Pyle becomes a killer, killing the drill sergeant and then kills himself. Dying unto himself. In Vietnam, Joker encounters Animal Mother.
Is he the shadow of Pyle, born again hard?
Both were the largest man in the platoon. Animal Mother is the alter ego of Gomer Pyle. In one scene, Pyle is running in slow motion center framed during training with those beside him holding him up, helping him along. Second phase of the movie, Animal Mother is running by himself in the same way, center framed on his own; shooting as he goes. A killer going on base instinct. The movie is sheer brilliance by Kubrick, showing the inside of Jung’s Shadow concept.
I'm a Vietnam veteran and this film potrayal is probably the most confused and untypical of my experiences in Vietnam.
@@davisworth5114 Full disclosure: I have never been anywhere near a war. Way to cowardly. However from talking to friends that have been and reading a lot about it does seem like it becomes less about the geopolitical reasons for the soldiers as time goes on and more about protecting and/or avenging fellow soldiers. Does that not track with your experience at all?
The reason drill instructors are so hard on recruits is they are preparing you for war. I was at Parris Island in the summer of 89. It was so so hot. While there was no physical abuse the DI's would PT us until we puked. And when I went away to Gulf I, I understood their tenacity completely.
When I was in Infantry training in Georgia in 1966, we got up at 3:30 am and quit at 1pm to beat the heat.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman was played as "What not to do as a Drill Instructor" was a checklist instead of a warning of what not to do as a Drill instructor.
Joker was being extremely sarcastic when he was being interviewed, " I wanted to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed kill"
You don’t ever pick something up, teddy bear, or kid, or sit under the shade of a tree , ignore a pile of rocks (they show the location of a mine), walk in front of a window, or say halt who goes there. Meritorious Combat Promotion…….
Thanks for giving this good movie a good reaction.
Even though Stanley Kubrick had a pilot license, he was afraid of flying. Therefor all the Vietnam scenes are recorded in England.
Near Kubrick's house was a large industrial complex that was due to be demolished. Kubrick arranged that his production could destroy the place as they saw fit. He had the palmtrees brought in, and was very precise which tree should be put where. While the actors had to pretend to be sweating in the Vietnam heat, they were shivering in the British cold.
Like when they filmed the Bastogne episode of Band of Brothers. They were in a warehouse in sweating summer heat pretending to be cold.
The whole film was made within not too many miles from London, England. The Vietnam portion was filmed first. Then the actors got their haircuts for Boot Camp. Yes they choked recruits in a manner I experienced before or since. They grab the throat and squeeze to block 100% of any air passing in or out of the lungs. It’s a great attention getter for the recruit.
Don't worry bro, it turns out that he just faked his death to get out easily from the army and later become the Kingpin.
My friend Tim O'Brian wrote a series of short stories in a very acclaimed book called The Things They Carried which are about his experiences as a soldier in Vietnam which you might be interested in reading.
Check out Blood on the risers.
Best book about Vietnam.
R. Lee Ermey wrote most all of his dialog. He was an actual Marine Corp drill instructor so he'd heard it all. He and Kubrick worked a lot on the dialog. Ermey would write and run it past Kubrick and they'd toss it back and forth.
As for all the yelling, Kubrick always demanded take after take after take, and Ermey would get so hoarse they'd have to take a couple of days off shooting now and then for him to recover his voice.
You asked were filmed.
Training Depot = Bassingbourne Depot UK. The rifle range is Manor Road range nr Cambridge UK. All other sets were made by film crew on set lots in Cambridgeshire UK.
The reason why the Drill Sgt (DS) is so good because R Lee Ermey who is playing the DS is actually a US Marine DS Vet.
Drill Instructor.
As to whether this was filmed in Vietnam (or the usual stand-in Asian location, The Philippines) the answer is no- the entirety of the Vietnam-set sequences was filmed in various locations in England, Kubrick's home. It's a testament to the talents of the production designers that England was convincingly disguised as a tropical Asian country.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun" One part of becoming a Marine is learning the lingo. That's a rifle, only a civilian (or gun control nut) would call it a "gun". After Hartman slaps Pyle's face, he tells him to pick up his "cover" meaning his hat. The climactic moment is in "the head" not the bathroom, and Hartman tells Pyle to put his RIFLE on the "deck", both head and deck are, I suppose, Navy slang which the Marines picked up.
Every scene was shot in a London suburb, never in Vietnam. Kubrick rented live palm trees for the ‘look’
I went through Marine boot camp (Platoon 2064) in 1971. A few mistakes. 1. Never saw a jelly donut (or ANY donut) the entire time I was in training. 2. We had non-functioning rifles except at the rifle range. 3. The chance of a recruit having live rounds in the barracks was virtually zero. We had to drop trou, take off our boots, and open our shirts and shooting jackets every time we left the range. 4. We turned our rifles in a few days before graduation.
Otherwise, it's the most accurate depiction of Marine boot camp I've ever seen.
Ya a chocolate chip cookie would have likely been a more accurate depiction of a smuggled treat but I'm sure Kubrick went with the jelly doughnut purely for the visual effect of Pyle standing there with his face stuffed.
The attitudes portrayed during the second half of the movie in regards to combat and killing were and still are spot on for Marines. Killing is the most basic function for Marines and we wear that with a tinge of pride. It’s considered the ultimate test to survive war and beat the guy on the other side. The flip side is that it is also a coping mechanism. Death is disturbing and killing is traumatic. By embracing killing as nothing more than a function and result of war, many Marines push past the trauma to continue to perform.
I'm not sure what Marine boot camp is like nowadays, but my brother-in-law went through it in the late 80s. One of the drill instructors hit him in the face with a flashlight. Even then, it was technically against the rules. Someone snitched on the DI. They came down the next day and asked my brother-in-law if it was true, but he said no.
The Vietnam scenes were all filmed in London's Docklands in a disused industrial area. They imported trees, vehicles etc.
Many people thing it’s an anti-war movie. It’s not. Kubrick is brilliant: The movie is about philosopher/psychologist Carl Jung who believed in the shadow of man. (Look up the song 46 and 2 by Tool). The shadow is ourselves, the base animal instinct to kill, the dark side of humanity. At one point, It is stated that Joker wears a peace sign and has war is peace written on him to express the duality of man “the Jungian thing, Sir”. The drill sergeant Hartman states that if you don’t have a hard heart, “you will not kill” When the time comes to react, he fails to shoot the sniper. In the helicopter, Joker asks how can you shoot women and children? - yet at the end of the movie he does both; shoots a young girl. The more complex: the drill sergeant tells Pyle he is “born again hard” Jungian philosophy/ psychology is that we must die unto ourselves to reveal our true nature. It is two separate movies. One the soft nature of the suppressed shadow. The second is the shadow unleashed. Pyle becomes a killer, killing the drill sergeant and then kills himself. (Dying unto himself). In Vietnam, Joker encounters Animal Mother.
Is he the shadow of Pyle, born again hard?
Both were the largest man in the platoon. Animal Mother is the alter ego of Gomer Pyle. In one scene, Pyle is running in slow motion center framed during training with those beside him holding him up, helping him along. Second phase of the movie, Animal Mother is running by himself in the same way, center framed on his own; shooting as he goes. A killer going on base instinct. The movie is sheer brilliance by Kubrick, showing the inside of Jung’s Shadow concept.
I made a comment similar to yours but you captured the point much better than I did. Part of Kubrick's brilliance is making films that he can sell to the studio executives as one thing while he goes merrily along and makes the deeper art he wanted to make anyway and the studio executives would never buy. Sadly, in a world dominated by cartoon movies and remakes of other movies, we are increasingly less likely to see many masterpieces such as this anymore, at least from Hollywood.
@@donpietruk1517 Sadly, I very much agree about the lost art. Thanks for the comment !
@@MetalDetroit Also just noticed your user name? You a Detroit area denizen? I'm born and raised in the burbs but lived on campus at WSU for over a decade for a stint. Still hit the city all the time. Some of my favorite hangouts are there. Always loved the polygot of people you get in the city center, uptown and corktown.
@@donpietruk1517 Yes! Originally from 9 mile and Southfield road. Lived there until about 2010. Moved to west Mi after a divorce. I was a staple at Red Wings games. At the game in 97 with my dad when the Wings won the cup ! Glad to see Detroit coming back!!!! Downtown is the best it’s been in my lifetime. I’m 54.
This is from the 70s... Military training was different back then.
Thought I was going to be a Marine in the late 1980's. Basic training was a lot like this, but no one was physically smacked around. Completely different era. I wasn't as bad as the character Pyle ,but things didn't come together until 3rd phase.
I was barely 130 pounds soaking wet, but still made it through training, and training for Field Radio Operations. The mindset you mentioned was pretty accurate. Vietnam was a real sh/tshow. Had an uncle who was there, did the best he could, he made it home. War stinks, makes the rich more money, kills the poor and makes people crazy.
The reason the Drill Instructor yelled at Pyle in the head is because for the last 14 months, Pyle was trained and trained to do everything the D.I. said, especially when he's yelling.
No, only 8 weeks
All shot on location in England because Kubrick didn't want to fly.
When it came down to it Rafterman turns out to be a gung-ho killer, cut out for war, while Joker is the reluctant pacifist, forced against his will to kill the sniper, up close and personal, and a girl no less. More like an execution than a long distance sniper shot.
Charles Whitman was on top of a tower at the University of Texas in Austin. In 96 minutes he killed 15. Injured 31. This was in 1966.
This was filmed in England.
my neighbor growing up was a marine in Vietnam and he talked about how they would march them through the swamps around parris island and inevitably a few people would get bit my cottonmouths every year occasionally even an alligator.
In the book McNamara folly it tells about how in Vietnam many ppl with "lower than acceptable" IQs were drafted and died at 3x the rate of normal IQ soldiers. Gomer Pile is an example of this.
The Vietnam scenes were all filmed in London.
37:33 that part felt like the most intense just how they immediately started joking and how they complement on HOW he did.
Mostly likely the face or eye.
My grandfather served in Vietnam he was called chief not because he was native American but The ONLY native in his platoon!! And he didn't mind being called that. He let me watch this movie with him he would explain things to me and why it happened. Like the girl??
I asked a girl is in a war??
All he said was ......yea and her family..
If you imagine that Pvt Pyle and Animal Mother are the same character, it opens up a whole new dimension to this film. Pyle wouldve likely ended up behaving like Animal Mother if he made it to Vietnam and Im sure Animal Mother had the same experience as Pyle in Boot Camp.
I’m always surprised when people don’t understand that Joker is being sarcastic when being interviewed and saying “I wanted to meet interesting people of an ancient culture … and kill them.”
After gaining fame, R. Lee Ermey was on a lot of shows doing pop in appearances. One of them, he was shouting at a line of boy scouts. One of the little fellers puked, haha.