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You are the first to give a great over view and impression of Dirac Bass Control. Thank you so much! Some of us have had a lot of problems integrating multiple different subs together because of phase issues. It looks like this may be the cure!
not necessarily. It's not as simple as just running it and letting it do its thing. You really gotta know what you're doing because the original results are not good and it makes one regret the upgrade.
@@Laissez_Faire Well, it worked perfectly for me first try. Curtains, X-overs, everything. Boosted the stock bass curve by +5dB, that's it. The machine learning gets better all the time, maybe that's why.
"" Set the cross-over point. Select a crossover-frequency where both the high-range speaker and the subs-woofer(s) have energy. The cross-over frequency can be adjusted by dragging the cross-over bar."" 👍👍👍
Nice review. Question. After calibration, Dirac set my sub at -7.5. My question is, if i upload a Harman target curve after calibration (for example -6, -8, or even -10 boost, should i add a couple db to the bass manually first or ONLY the Harman curve file with the boost? Thank you!
You answered a bunch of questions I've had. Dirac is slow to respond to questions right now and when they do respond the answers are unclear. I would love to know what modes/settings people are using for classical music with Bass Control. Also have you been able to find an optimal crossover point that allows use of Bass Control for your concert music?
Thank you very much, yes i set the front stage with a crossover at 80hz and pusched a little up the subwoofer gain just 2db more, as soon i have time i would like to calibrate again my Hometheater since was an old project. Btw i will have soon a Q&A with Dirac so if you guys hqve any questions please just let me know and i will ask for you.Stay tuned!
When I originally installed Dirac without bass control, I had two subs running independently on the Marantz 50. Sound was awful. Based on instructions from Dirac, I installed a splitter so the two subs would run as one. Marantz told me not to do this but Dirac said that, without Bass Control, Dirac can only handle a single sub. The splitter did correct the problem. After Christmas I will need to rerun the calibration with the two subs independent and then calibrate with Bass Control. Question, will it be necessary to rerun Audyssey prior to Dirac with the two subs or will everything be fine without an Audyssey calibration?
So when i have Bass Control,Just Set them Up without splitter and run calibration?@@philhertz7255 I think there is no difference,If i Made calibration with two subs independently and run Bass Control afterwards 🤔
Merci pour votre vidéo, j'ai également le cinéma 40 avec Emotiva Xpa3 gen3. Pour la fréquence de croisement j'ai suivi la notice . J'ai réglé sur la fréquence où les 2 caissons de basse et groupe sélectionné produise le plus d'énergie . Ça varie un peu, 58hz ou 61 ou 68 selon le groupe. Je trouve le rendu très bon , j'ai de bons graves que je n'avais pas avant, l'ensemble est plus précis je trouve .
When bass control is activated,my two Subwoofers only show one Graph (corrected curve) .I dont know my ,before corrected with BC you can see the two graphs.But my Subwoofers are running and are listed in Filter design page bass Control 😅..just strange why dirac does that ..
Great video. I'm setting up DLBC now for the first time. how did you get presets with Only dirac live, only bass management, and only bass control. If I don't do it right will I only get a preset with Dirac live not bass management or control
The reason why there are suck outs is because the measurements aren't right and it is detecting boosts that arent there. Its part of my problem with all REQs. It may be a deal breaker for me to loose directional bass since its one of my favorite features with these AVRs.
I have a nice deep bass with Bass Control, but unfortunately the voices sound thin now, for example. I have the best correction curve with 42 Hz with my front speakers, although these are on wall speakers and actually can't go that deep. I'm a little confused.
@@MadAudiofficial If I go higher, my correction curve in Dirac looks worse. I may have to play with my curve a little more. Thanks and great video, looking forward to the next ones.
ciao, una curiosità: nella schermata filter design, in bass control, se provi a spostare la tendina del gruppo dei sub a destra o sinistra, cosa si sta facendo effettivamente? si dice a dirac di non applicare i filtri sopra a una determinata frequenza o si applica una sorta di filtro passa basso per i/il sub? ti chiedo questo perchè anch'io ho il cinema 40 e senza bass control potevo intervenire mettendo un passa basso al sub a 90hz, ma col bass control è tutto disabilitato nel menù del marantz, e mi chiedevo se con questa tendina sto effettivamente facendo questo o solo disabilitando i filtri dopo un certa frequenza.. grazie
Con bass control non puoi più impostare i diffusori su small, large o intervenire sul taglio del canale LFE, arriverà un altro video di approfondimento direttamente con la partecipazione di Dirac quindi rimani sintonizzato perché parleremo anche di questo!
@@Altyros it’s depends if you want create different presets to compare your system between just Dirac Live and bass control, if not you can go directly with bass control!
Ciao mad complimenti come sempre...mi dispiace che non fai più video in italiano soprattutto per questa nuova tecnologia... potresti farne una per noi grazie mille...super mad💪
@@MadAudiofficial yes ,Strange ...only with Some Blu Ray the Lack of kick drum Body especially annoys.I am a Drummer myself.With Apple music Atmos and also stereo Sounds very good.But also Some Blu Ray with PCM stereo Sound a bit weak with kick Drums,Bass guitars sound pretty on point though..
Ich habe gerade einen Marantz cinema 40 und einen x4800 zum testen und kann mich nicht wirklich entscheiden. Der marantz hat einen unglaublich guten kickbass was dafür sorgt dass man besseren punch bei filmen hat. Dafür klingt er obenrum einfach zu dünn oder zu audiophil für Filme. Der Denon klingt viel voller und macht viel mehr Details als der marantz dafür macht er absolut keinen punch sondern eher nur viel tiefbass. Was wäre die bessere Wahl? Der Marantz mit Dirac für die Lautsprecher? Bekommt man damit mehr Details und einen volleren klang auf die Lautsprecher oder der Denon mit dirac bass controll damit man vielleicht einen besseren Punch bekommt und mehr kickbass. Du hast ja selbst einen marantz und der bass ist unglaublich knackig. Klingt komplett anders als jeder andere avr den ich gehört habe aber auf den Lautsprechern einfach zu natürlich und mit zu wenig Bass finde ich.
@@MadAudiofficialhat sich aber schon erledigt. Hab viele Filme getestet und der Marantz ist in den meisten Filmen im Vorteil. Der Denon X4800 ist mir einfach zu überladen was den Bass angeht und tatsächlich sehr unsauber ohne kickbass( Punch ). Er wirkt vom Klang her einfach sehr schwer. Das ist für mich schon nach einem Film sehr anstrengend. Natürlich ist das ganze Geschmacksache. Dirac werde ich mir aber natürlich noch holen. Vielen dank für das Video
Explanation in german for cancelation with BC: Das ist völlig normal, vermutlich wird das jetzt endlich in Summe auf Phasenbetrag überprüft und da im tieffrequenten Bereich keine Phasenkorrekturen durchgeführt werden können (Pre-Ringing), sieht man jetzt, die daraus entstehenden Welligkeiten.
i am some confused for Dirac live software i am using Denon X3800h and help to buy which bundle dirac live software for my complete setup with 2 sub please reply ....
В разных песнях разный звук, как дирак подстраивается? на лету? За сколько секунд он выравнивает ачх? Или он тупо делает одну ачх - для всех песен? Вот моменты непонятные...
Just a quick question...if I get Dirac Live Full Range, but no extra Subwoofer addon...will Dirac then not correct my Subs at all? Because Audyssey and MultEQ-X do that out of the box and do it pretty much perfectly for my two subs...
@@MadAudiofficial Turns out I was wrong. DL without BC did correct my Subs, though not as well as with Multeq-X or with Bass Control Upgrade. I made a stupid mistake and the Dirac Filters weren't enabled when I initially checked with REW.
DLBC Multisubs is pritty good, but it still lacks support for Atmos (ceiling bounce) speakers... which is a shame as I will not hang up another 4 speakers in the room... a negative for DL.
Just wanted to confirm that Dirac Live supports Dolby Enabled speakers, ie speakers that simulate ceiling speakers. The user needs to set the speaker type as a Dolby Enabled speaker in the AVR speaker settings, and then Dirac Live takes care to not change the filter characteristics that such speakers employ to simulate the impression of height.
E si, dovresti avere la sensazione che scende anche più in basso il subwoofer, dai bene un occhiata hai grafici, non sempre setta il punto di crossover corretto!
@@MadAudiofficial non ho notato “buchi” nella curva come ho settato, quindi dovrebbe andar bene. Non so se hai mai provato dirac con la musica stereo. Io non lo avevo mai fatto perché ho sempre preferito andare in pure direct o a volte bypassare il marantz ed andare direttamente dal dac al finale. Anche perché con audyssey il risultato era abbastanza scadente. Qualche giorno fa ho provato e sono rimasto a bocca aperta. Stessa sensazione di quando ad una persona miope si fanno indossare gli occhiali per la prima volta. Pure la mia compagna .. che solitamente si limita a commentare “ per me si sente uguale” o “anche prima si sentiva bene” questa volta detto “senza dirac sembra che suonino in un garage”
Hai deciso di fare video in Inglese, ma almeno se metti i sotto titoli in Italiano ... E qualche video di quando li facevi in Italiano stranamente non c'è piú.
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Now do comparisons between the full Dirac vs MultEQ-X. People are trying to figure out if Dirac is worth the upgrade. Its a LOT more than MQX
You are the first to give a great over view and impression of Dirac Bass Control. Thank you so much! Some of us have had a lot of problems integrating multiple different subs together because of phase issues. It looks like this may be the cure!
My pleasure, a Q&A with Dirac Live product manager is also coming soon, please stay tuned✌🏾
not necessarily. It's not as simple as just running it and letting it do its thing. You really gotta know what you're doing because the original results are not good and it makes one regret the upgrade.
@@Laissez_Faire Well, it worked perfectly for me first try. Curtains, X-overs, everything. Boosted the stock bass curve by +5dB, that's it. The machine learning gets better all the time, maybe that's why.
@@momsbasement656 great 👍🏼. What’s your setup?
"" Set the cross-over point. Select a crossover-frequency where both the high-range speaker and the subs-woofer(s) have energy. The cross-over frequency can be adjusted by dragging the cross-over bar."" 👍👍👍
Amazing review
Thank you 🙏
Received my cinéma 40 1 week ago, made update with Rj45 connection, no problem at all. I think I'll use dirac when I buy a second sw
Nice review. Question. After calibration, Dirac set my sub at -7.5. My question is, if i upload a Harman target curve after calibration (for example -6, -8, or even -10 boost, should i add a couple db to the bass manually first or ONLY the Harman curve file with the boost? Thank you!
Can i have two configuration on my Marantz Cinema 50: one for 5.2.4 and one for 2.0? So i can switch Without loading Filters again?
which mic are you prefer to Dirac Live setup UMIK -1 or UMIK- 2 ...?
Top notch work! You deserve a lot more subscriptions and views.
Thank you very much 🙏
You answered a bunch of questions I've had. Dirac is slow to respond to questions right now and when they do respond the answers are unclear. I would love to know what modes/settings people are using for classical music with Bass Control. Also have you been able to find an optimal crossover point that allows use of Bass Control for your concert music?
Thank you very much, yes i set the front stage with a crossover at 80hz and pusched a little up the subwoofer gain just 2db more, as soon i have time i would like to calibrate again my Hometheater since was an old project. Btw i will have soon a Q&A with Dirac so if you guys hqve any questions please just let me know and i will ask for you.Stay tuned!
When I originally installed Dirac without bass control, I had two subs running independently on the Marantz 50. Sound was awful. Based on instructions from Dirac, I installed a splitter so the two subs would run as one. Marantz told me not to do this but Dirac said that, without Bass Control, Dirac can only handle a single sub. The splitter did correct the problem. After Christmas I will need to rerun the calibration with the two subs independent and then calibrate with Bass Control. Question, will it be necessary to rerun Audyssey prior to Dirac with the two subs or will everything be fine without an Audyssey calibration?
So when i have Bass Control,Just Set them Up without splitter and run calibration?@@philhertz7255
I think there is no difference,If i Made calibration with two subs independently and run Bass Control afterwards 🤔
Great video, thanks! I would love to hear your opinion on how Bass Control affected streaming music through Tidal/Spotify.
Great honest review,
I think 70hz crossover for side and surround is not good
Thank you very much, yes moved everything between 80 and 90 hz and pushed the sub 2db extra, a Q&A with Dirac is also coming, stay tuned✌🏾
Merci pour votre vidéo, j'ai également le cinéma 40 avec Emotiva Xpa3 gen3. Pour la fréquence de croisement j'ai suivi la notice . J'ai réglé sur la fréquence où les 2 caissons de basse et groupe sélectionné produise le plus d'énergie . Ça varie un peu, 58hz ou 61 ou 68 selon le groupe. Je trouve le rendu très bon , j'ai de bons graves que je n'avais pas avant, l'ensemble est plus précis je trouve .
Pusched Up SUB in Dirac curve (left Square) or target curve on Tight Sort of square icon?@@MadAudiofficial
Thank you for tbe great and very detailed video. It made it very easy to do my upgrade and considerations for personalization
@@ChristopherTrevors thx for sharing this 🙏🏽
When bass control is activated,my two Subwoofers only show one Graph (corrected curve) .I dont know my ,before corrected with BC you can see the two graphs.But my Subwoofers are running and are listed in Filter design page bass Control 😅..just strange why dirac does that ..
Yes that’s normal, this is how bass control is working, to check single sub frequency response you can use dirac live page.
What is the main difference between bass Control and bass Management?😮😊
Please take a look at last Q&A section video that i did with Dirac CPO, we are speaking about it there!
All in all - would u recommend the update from Full to Bass Control? And is the update worth by using only one subwoofer?
I just had a Q&A with Dirac and we discussed that, video is coming!
@@MadAudiofficial Today? thanks
@@Avis_fr yes
@@Avis_fr now online 👍🏽
@@MadAudiofficial Nice 👌
Thx for the video can you make binaural audio samples for comparison?
@@sdfgsgsdgs would be nice, but very busy at the moment unfortunately!
@@MadAudiofficial one sample means more than a thousand words :))) cheers 🥂 😁
Great video. I'm setting up DLBC now for the first time. how did you get presets with Only dirac live, only bass management, and only bass control. If I don't do it right will I only get a preset with Dirac live not bass management or control
When you do the export you can choose between 3 presets, just save one for each slot!
The reason why there are suck outs is because the measurements aren't right and it is detecting boosts that arent there. Its part of my problem with all REQs. It may be a deal breaker for me to loose directional bass since its one of my favorite features with these AVRs.
I have a nice deep bass with Bass Control, but unfortunately the voices sound thin now, for example. I have the best correction curve with 42 Hz with my front speakers, although these are on wall speakers and actually can't go that deep. I'm a little confused.
Move the crossover up, don't know your configuration and setup so impossible to tell you where but 42 hz is too low!
@@MadAudiofficial If I go higher, my correction curve in Dirac looks worse. I may have to play with my curve a little more. Thanks and great video, looking forward to the next ones.
@@G8R20Y do Audio test also, don't look only the curves!
ciao, una curiosità: nella schermata filter design, in bass control, se provi a spostare la tendina del gruppo dei sub a destra o sinistra, cosa si sta facendo effettivamente? si dice a dirac di non applicare i filtri sopra a una determinata frequenza o si applica una sorta di filtro passa basso per i/il sub? ti chiedo questo perchè anch'io ho il cinema 40 e senza bass control potevo intervenire mettendo un passa basso al sub a 90hz, ma col bass control è tutto disabilitato nel menù del marantz, e mi chiedevo se con questa tendina sto effettivamente facendo questo o solo disabilitando i filtri dopo un certa frequenza.. grazie
Con bass control non puoi più impostare i diffusori su small, large o intervenire sul taglio del canale LFE, arriverà un altro video di approfondimento direttamente con la partecipazione di Dirac quindi rimani sintonizzato perché parleremo anche di questo!
Hate d'ecouter la seance de questions réponse avec Dirac 👍 quelle date?
So do you run regular dirac live first and then run bass control or do you just choose bass control?
Load project and than directly to bass control to check house curve and crossover point!
Ok, but if you start from scratch do you need to run both separately or just run bass control option
@@Altyros it’s depends if you want create different presets to compare your system between just Dirac Live and bass control, if not you can go directly with bass control!
Ciao mad complimenti come sempre...mi dispiace che non fai più video in italiano soprattutto per questa nuova tecnologia... potresti farne una per noi grazie mille...super mad💪
Do you still prefer Bass Management over BC with music, especially 5.1 and Atmos?
@@texxhexxmm With Blu ray yes, Tidal Atmos not, still trying to understand why!
@@MadAudiofficial yes ,Strange ...only with Some Blu Ray the Lack of kick drum Body especially annoys.I am a Drummer myself.With Apple music Atmos and also stereo Sounds very good.But also Some Blu Ray with PCM stereo Sound a bit weak with kick Drums,Bass guitars sound pretty on point though..
For Stereo listening have you done /are using a separate 2.0/2.1 Configuration or Just use the 5.2.4 Configuration as for movies etc.?
@@texxhexxmm yes separate, in the past i used to have an home Theater bypass but a real stereo setup is another level!
@@MadAudiofficial so you mean , stereo measurment for Stereo 0° ? Or do you mean your different loudspeaker for Stereo?
What did you set the subwoofer crossover value to before measuring?
LFE! Please check my first Dirac live tutorial video👍🏽
Ich habe gerade einen Marantz cinema 40 und einen x4800 zum testen und kann mich nicht wirklich entscheiden. Der marantz hat einen unglaublich guten kickbass was dafür sorgt dass man besseren punch bei filmen hat. Dafür klingt er obenrum einfach zu dünn oder zu audiophil für Filme. Der Denon klingt viel voller und macht viel mehr Details als der marantz dafür macht er absolut keinen punch sondern eher nur viel tiefbass. Was wäre die bessere Wahl? Der Marantz mit Dirac für die Lautsprecher? Bekommt man damit mehr Details und einen volleren klang auf die Lautsprecher oder der Denon mit dirac bass controll damit man vielleicht einen besseren Punch bekommt und mehr kickbass. Du hast ja selbst einen marantz und der bass ist unglaublich knackig. Klingt komplett anders als jeder andere avr den ich gehört habe aber auf den Lautsprechern einfach zu natürlich und mit zu wenig Bass finde ich.
Ich kenne die Konfiguration nicht, daher ist es schwierig zu antworten. Können Sie nicht beides mit Dirac testen?
@@MadAudiofficialdann würde ich definitiv eine Lizenz umsonst ausgeben. Gibt ja leider keine test version😅 einer geht ja auf jedenfall zurück.
@@MadAudiofficialhat sich aber schon erledigt. Hab viele Filme getestet und der Marantz ist in den meisten Filmen im Vorteil. Der Denon X4800 ist mir einfach zu überladen was den Bass angeht und tatsächlich sehr unsauber ohne kickbass( Punch ). Er wirkt vom Klang her einfach sehr schwer. Das ist für mich schon nach einem Film sehr anstrengend. Natürlich ist das ganze Geschmacksache.
Dirac werde ich mir aber natürlich noch holen. Vielen dank für das Video
Excellent analysis unfortunate for me the license is to expensive out of my budget 😁
Thank you very much, yes is not cheap but if you have a good Hometheater worth the extra money!
Explanation in german for cancelation with BC: Das ist völlig normal, vermutlich wird das jetzt endlich in Summe auf Phasenbetrag überprüft und da im tieffrequenten Bereich keine Phasenkorrekturen durchgeführt werden können (Pre-Ringing), sieht man jetzt, die daraus entstehenden Welligkeiten.
Ich habe es gerade instaliert und eingemessen....wow Bass Control bringt eine massive verbesserung
Ja wann alles gut gemacht, ist mega!💪🏾
Macht es einen Unterschied,ob ich mit Bass Control einmesse oder kann ich meine Messungen noch ohne Bass Control add on verwenden??
@@texxhexxmm ja kannst du auch durchgeführten messung verwenden, es macht keine unterschied!
@@texxhexxmm kann man ad on verwenden
i am some confused for Dirac live software i am using Denon X3800h and help to buy which bundle dirac live software for my complete setup with 2 sub please reply ....
You can start with basic Dirac and do upgrades after!
В разных песнях разный звук, как дирак подстраивается? на лету? За сколько секунд он выравнивает ачх? Или он тупо делает одну ачх - для всех песен? Вот моменты непонятные...
Just a quick question...if I get Dirac Live Full Range, but no extra Subwoofer addon...will Dirac then not correct my Subs at all? Because Audyssey and MultEQ-X do that out of the box and do it pretty much perfectly for my two subs...
Yes will correct frequency response and time alignment, what will not do is manage the crossover point between mains and subs!
@@MadAudiofficial
Ok...and does it handle dual subs? Not seperately, but like Audyssey does, combining them into one near-perfect LFE channel?
@@rolandrohde not sure what you are meaning, if is about directional subs no it doesn’t, if is about multi subs yes it does it!
@@MadAudiofficial
It's about Multi Subs. I have two subs, placed diagonally, and Audyssey creates a pretty perfect 15-80Hz curve with those two.
@@MadAudiofficial
Turns out I was wrong. DL without BC did correct my Subs, though not as well as with Multeq-X or with Bass Control Upgrade. I made a stupid mistake and the Dirac Filters weren't enabled when I initially checked with REW.
DLBC Multisubs is pritty good, but it still lacks support for Atmos (ceiling bounce) speakers... which is a shame as I will not hang up another 4 speakers in the room... a negative for DL.
Just wanted to confirm that Dirac Live supports Dolby Enabled speakers, ie speakers that simulate ceiling speakers. The user needs to set the speaker type as a Dolby Enabled speaker in the AVR speaker settings, and then Dirac Live takes care to not change the filter characteristics that such speakers employ to simulate the impression of height.
350 bucks--- they can jam it where the sun dont shine
Ho fatto anche io l’upgrade, la sensazione iniziale è quella di meno “bassi inutili”.
E si, dovresti avere la sensazione che scende anche più in basso il subwoofer, dai bene un occhiata hai grafici, non sempre setta il punto di crossover corretto!
@@MadAudiofficial non ho notato “buchi” nella curva come ho settato, quindi dovrebbe andar bene. Non so se hai mai provato dirac con la musica stereo. Io non lo avevo mai fatto perché ho sempre preferito andare in pure direct o a volte bypassare il marantz ed andare direttamente dal dac al finale. Anche perché con audyssey il risultato era abbastanza scadente. Qualche giorno fa ho provato e sono rimasto a bocca aperta. Stessa sensazione di quando ad una persona miope si fanno indossare gli occhiali per la prima volta. Pure la mia compagna .. che solitamente si limita a commentare “ per me si sente uguale” o “anche prima si sentiva bene” questa volta detto “senza dirac sembra che suonino in un garage”
ma in italiano no ?
KINDLY MAKE A SETUP VIDEO STEP BY STEP
Is already on my channel, take a look of first Dirac Live tutorial please!
Can I use UMIK - 2 because in India not available UMIK - 1 and UMIK - 2 is better then UMIK - 1 ?? kindly reply please 🎉
Hai deciso di fare video in Inglese, ma almeno se metti i sotto titoli in Italiano ... E qualche video di quando li facevi in Italiano stranamente non c'è piú.