FINALLY I found a good video of this! I've recently started with my university's martial arts club and am preparing for my orange belt test, but thanks to strep I missed a few practices and sadly missed the introduction of this form. I tried to follow along and later got help from one of the instructors after class, but for some reason I just haven't been able to get it to stick. I can remember different chunks at different times but never altogether. So I tried finding a video online, but they were all different or weren't easy to follow along. I like this because it's easy to see the movements, plus I love that it has the voice over clearly instructing how to turn and what to do. (My biggest challenge tends to be remembering which way to turn...)
This is the way I learned this form in the 80's. The other version always turned my stomach and made room for a serious talk about how it came to be what was wrong in my and my master's eyes. If the instructor was WTF I asked if he could speak with my instructor for understanding.
@rfal502 - I was taught by my Korean master to do the in-out middle block as well. The older martial arts books I have read, also show it this way. I'll ask my master about it and see what he says about why it's different sometimes.
Many dojangs will differ slightly, it's just through the fact that styles are passed down just as cultural traditions are passed down. The key is to remember that the poosmsae is used to help us remember moves, blocks, etc. Don't get lost in the weeds, follow the training of your dojangs...one day you can be master and pass down what you know and what you think is right.
Correct, the martial arts are an art of the body in motion. Like language, it varies from region to region. One way is not right or wrong, similar to regional word pronunciation.
vDeltaGamingv my experience was different, I called to compliment him on his book for its high detail and accuracy, he asked if I wanted to buy videos I said no thanks, then he asked where I was training at the time I was not training in a dojo, he actually laughed at that and said you can't train on your own, I only agree to an extent. yes it's good to have a teacher in person at least a few years , which I had more than a few. I was just in-between instructors , once you get to a certain point if you want to learn more it wouldn't be a bad idea to train in a monastery unless you have the self discipline and determination to push yourself. I can tell you if you study and train enough you'll have grandmasters asking you to show them a few things
I've been enjoying going back to the TKD forms after being away for 10 years. But I try to make them less telegraphic and with quick snaps as if my (imaginary) opponent has no clue of what is coming next. The turning of the neck and the wind-ups for the each block or punch are hugely telegraphed in these demonstrations. Regardless, I find that my balance is better and my focus is improved by doing the forms. The forms are simply - enjoyable and artistic.
This is an old comment but Tae Zee Park of WTF would tell me that’s how you should do form when you practice, strong and hard. When you do your form for progression though it shouldn’t be so aggressive or wild. It helps build strength and makes your techniques faster and precise
@rfal502 The other way you speak of, the in-to-out middle block, or "from under the arm", is the proper way in this form. That's how the KukKiWon does it. This video is outdated. The KukKiWon is always changing details about the art in order to better it. Some masters aren't in the know with the KukKiWon, and therefore aren't always aware of important changes in the art. That would be why some people do it one way, while others do it another way.
That's a bit simplistic. The old crowd - a few of whom knew how to use TKD in full contact few-rules fighting, from back when TKD still showed its Shotokan origins - are gradually dying out, and the next generation of sports fighters who've never even tried to block anything dangerous and just bounce around kicking with their arms down and flicking with their legs - are injecting their own ideas. That's not generally progress as a martial art. Changes like this are actively counter-productive - an inner forearm outward block in walking stance is almost useless for a beginner - weak and leaving your torso exposed and full frontal. An outer forearm inward block is actually useful for closing your opponent (you're more behind their back, with it being harder for them to reverse punch you), plus you're a bit more more side on and less exposed. These big organisations with a constant churn of small arbitrary changes also make a pretty penny selling seminars where the instructors have to keep learning silly new changes so they can keep the respect of well-intentioned but over-eager students who credit the Kukkiwon with more than they deserve.
Some peple do the first going forward section with inward blocks, but others do 2 outward blocks. Which is it?!? Thus videos hows inward and inward, but other videos show outward and outward block. Its frustrating. This grandmaster says one thing others say another....
jack craig There are two different sets of poomsae, tae geouk and pal gwe. This is the pal gwe one. Nowadays tae geouk is the set that's being taught most, and it's also the one people usually compete in. :)
Please look at your TKD history. The Palgwe forms and the Taeguk forms are identified with the same symbols, I-Ching Trigrams, and meanings. The Palgwe forms were developed in 1967by Kukkiwon and later Taeguk forms were developed by Kukkiwon in 1971. Kukkiwon later indicated the "elimination" of palgwe. I think it is a matter of instructional preferences and organizational affiliation. I think both sets of forms are useful as teaching methods.
akosigundam Yes! the purpose of these forms is not just working on your footwork and combinations but to fight multiple opponents at once. I have a great real life experience that proves forms are effective, I was practicing my palgwa forms and my husband at the time who only learned a little jeet kun do tried to attack me with no warning while I was doing my form. because I was in high concentration and it happened so fast, as he started to attack I hadn't broke my form I had just continued with the next movement and it happened to block his attack and counter attack him, he ended up on the ground and I didn't even put the most force into it cause I was practicing, so yes absolutely forms are more than effective so practice them, learn them by heart and then create your own
akosigundam yes, they help... the forms help you to build a mindset (muscular memory) to Apply them in a real life scenario... it’s like advanced math... you May never use it but they help you to build a mindset to solve complex problems @ work (engineering)
it doesnt matter if it is wtf or itf, tae kwon do is tae kwon do, both palgwes and taeguks are meaningful when you practice them thoroughly, and only when you feeeel the forms you´ll understand this plus you´ll be in excellent shape.
Bear claw technique does exist within taekwondo -- it's called "gom-son chigi/곰손치기" or "bear-hand strike". However, it is extremely uncommon -- it's not in any poomsae I'm aware of. That said, you're right that there are no bear-hand/claw techniques in this poomsae -- the strikes here are unquestionably inside knifehand strikes.
This Palgwe is wrong. You make it with momtong an makki the second step ;-) ... not momtong bakkat makki. My sabomnim also told me, that this is wrong. In his old book it is also with momtong an makki. In other videos on youtube it is right.
Not to disagree but some what true but it does matter if WTF or ITF. If it did not there would not be the two different org. and there would not be about 5 different poom se and the feeling is different for each of them. with good reason
boy all that extra added symbolism is sure a massive load of crap! its just a variant of a basic japanese karate kata like most tkd forms are! lose all that silly pseudo religio/science nuttery! get real people!
This saved me from online testing! Thank you so much!!!
FINALLY I found a good video of this! I've recently started with my university's martial arts club and am preparing for my orange belt test, but thanks to strep I missed a few practices and sadly missed the introduction of this form. I tried to follow along and later got help from one of the instructors after class, but for some reason I just haven't been able to get it to stick. I can remember different chunks at different times but never altogether. So I tried finding a video online, but they were all different or weren't easy to follow along. I like this because it's easy to see the movements, plus I love that it has the voice over clearly instructing how to turn and what to do. (My biggest challenge tends to be remembering which way to turn...)
awesome video thanks for posting... really helped me alot...this is the best one out there...
This is the way I learned this form in the 80's. The other version always turned my stomach and made room for a serious talk about how it came to be what was wrong in my and my master's eyes. If the instructor was WTF I asked if he could speak with my instructor for understanding.
I have to relearn palgwe 1-8 for my second dan black belt test this really helped
thank you so much this saved me for testing
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@rfal502 - I was taught by my Korean master to do the in-out middle block as well. The older martial arts books I have read, also show it this way. I'll ask my master about it and see what he says about why it's different sometimes.
Many dojangs will differ slightly, it's just through the fact that styles are passed down just as cultural traditions are passed down. The key is to remember that the poosmsae is used to help us remember moves, blocks, etc. Don't get lost in the weeds, follow the training of your dojangs...one day you can be master and pass down what you know and what you think is right.
Correct, the martial arts are an art of the body in motion. Like language, it varies from region to region. One way is not right or wrong, similar to regional word pronunciation.
This helps me immensely many thanks :)))
I've met tae park in person he signed my name on my uniform in Korean. He's one of the coolest ppl I've met!
vDeltaGamingv my experience was different, I called to compliment him on his book for its high detail and accuracy, he asked if I wanted to buy videos I said no thanks, then he asked where I was training at the time I was not training in a dojo, he actually laughed at that and said you can't train on your own, I only agree to an extent. yes it's good to have a teacher in person at least a few years , which I had more than a few. I was just in-between instructors , once you get to a certain point if you want to learn more it wouldn't be a bad idea to train in a monastery unless you have the self discipline and determination to push yourself. I can tell you if you study and train enough you'll have grandmasters asking you to show them a few things
vDeltaGamingv for sec I though this was my grand master. But I can’t tell because of the quality
I've been enjoying going back to the TKD forms after being away for 10 years. But I try to make them less telegraphic and with quick snaps as if my (imaginary) opponent has no clue of what is coming next. The turning of the neck and the wind-ups for the each block or punch are hugely telegraphed in these demonstrations. Regardless, I find that my balance is better and my focus is improved by doing the forms. The forms are simply - enjoyable and artistic.
This is an old comment but Tae Zee Park of WTF would tell me that’s how you should do form when you practice, strong and hard. When you do your form for progression though it shouldn’t be so aggressive or wild. It helps build strength and makes your techniques faster and precise
@rfal502 The other way you speak of, the in-to-out middle block, or "from under the arm", is the proper way in this form. That's how the KukKiWon does it. This video is outdated. The KukKiWon is always changing details about the art in order to better it. Some masters aren't in the know with the KukKiWon, and therefore aren't always aware of important changes in the art. That would be why some people do it one way, while others do it another way.
That's a bit simplistic. The old crowd - a few of whom knew how to use TKD in full contact few-rules fighting, from back when TKD still showed its Shotokan origins - are gradually dying out, and the next generation of sports fighters who've never even tried to block anything dangerous and just bounce around kicking with their arms down and flicking with their legs - are injecting their own ideas. That's not generally progress as a martial art. Changes like this are actively counter-productive - an inner forearm outward block in walking stance is almost useless for a beginner - weak and leaving your torso exposed and full frontal. An outer forearm inward block is actually useful for closing your opponent (you're more behind their back, with it being harder for them to reverse punch you), plus you're a bit more more side on and less exposed. These big organisations with a constant churn of small arbitrary changes also make a pretty penny selling seminars where the instructors have to keep learning silly new changes so they can keep the respect of well-intentioned but over-eager students who credit the Kukkiwon with more than they deserve.
Palmer 1 going forward is inside block not body block
What is this style of Taekwondo called? This is what my daughter and I studied vs the kata taught at Texas Martial Arts.
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Some peple do the first going forward section with inward blocks, but others do 2 outward blocks. Which is it?!? Thus videos hows inward and inward, but other videos show outward and outward block. Its frustrating. This grandmaster says one thing others say another....
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What version is this because I have been doing a complete different one?
it's two different sets of pomsae
This is the correct one.
jack craig There are two different sets of poomsae, tae geouk and pal gwe. This is the pal gwe one. Nowadays tae geouk is the set that's being taught most, and it's also the one people usually compete in. :)
If you're not being taught BOTH taeguek and palgwe...find a new master.
Im in the north of the uk i dont know if that makes a difference?
Great! What year is this from?
Please look at your TKD history. The Palgwe forms and the Taeguk forms are identified with the same symbols, I-Ching Trigrams, and meanings. The Palgwe forms were developed in 1967by Kukkiwon and later Taeguk forms were developed by Kukkiwon in 1971. Kukkiwon later indicated the "elimination" of palgwe. I think it is a matter of instructional preferences and organizational affiliation. I think both sets of forms are useful as teaching methods.
@MaharlikaAWA The proper block is an in-to-out middle block. That is the way the KukKiWon does it. Can't argue with them. This video is outdated.
did the Kukkiwon stop promoting students with Palgwe?
Yes, they only use Taegeuk poomsae alongside the standard yudanja poomsae.
Are these kata/forms actually usable in a real fight?
akosigundam I’ve seen demos from park himself that prove they can be, but they are very controlled obviously
akosigundam Yes! the purpose of these forms is not just working on your footwork and combinations but to fight multiple opponents at once. I have a great real life experience that proves forms are effective, I was practicing my palgwa forms and my husband at the time who only learned a little jeet kun do tried to attack me with no warning while I was doing my form. because I was in high concentration and it happened so fast, as he started to attack I hadn't broke my form I had just continued with the next movement and it happened to block his attack and counter attack him, he ended up on the ground and I didn't even put the most force into it cause I was practicing, so yes absolutely forms are more than effective so practice them, learn them by heart and then create your own
akosigundam yes, they help... the forms help you to build a mindset (muscular memory) to Apply them in a real life scenario... it’s like advanced math... you May never use it but they help you to build a mindset to solve complex problems @ work (engineering)
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it doesnt matter if it is wtf or itf, tae kwon do is tae kwon do, both palgwes and taeguks are meaningful when you practice them thoroughly, and only when you feeeel the forms you´ll understand this plus you´ll be in excellent shape.
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Kyou is correct!.
that one shall go much more faster.. the first one there
It’s not a knife hand strike it’s a bear claw
wrong martial art. it definitely is a knife hand. bear claws and other strikes are not tae kwon do
Bear claw technique does exist within taekwondo -- it's called "gom-son chigi/곰손치기" or "bear-hand strike". However, it is extremely uncommon -- it's not in any poomsae I'm aware of.
That said, you're right that there are no bear-hand/claw techniques in this poomsae -- the strikes here are unquestionably inside knifehand strikes.
il jang is actually blue belt
This Palgwe is wrong. You make it with momtong an makki the second step ;-) ... not momtong bakkat makki. My sabomnim also told me, that this is wrong. In his old book it is also with momtong an makki. In other videos on youtube it is right.
Not to disagree but some what true but it does matter if WTF or ITF. If it did not there would not be the two different org. and there would not be about 5 different poom se and the feeling is different for each of them. with good reason
boy all that extra added symbolism is sure a massive load of crap! its just a variant of a basic japanese karate kata like most tkd forms are! lose all that silly pseudo religio/science nuttery! get real people!