Professor Snyder's talk was fascinating and informative. I've read much about the Holocaust but was able after hearing this to understand what happened in a different way. Excellent lecture!
Oh my goodness... you have basically stated exactly what I did on another site he lectured on sane subject. For me ..he filled in all the gaps regarding my difficulty in comprehending human's abilitilty to commit this terrible failed attempt of destruction of an entire race.
@@mmartin7483 You never heard of Native American tribes that are well, GONE? Not just in N. America, but ALL of the Americas? What is insane is that German Jews were indistinguishable from German Xians. So many of them fought in WW1, too.
Try David Cole, Ernest Zundel and David living, you just might get some facts , but facts that international Zionist banker's don't like , research who funded the Russia revolution and the Holodomor read Churchill's Zionism vs Bolshevism and Henry Ford's The International Jew.
I wrote my A level history coursework on Snyder and Browning's work on the Final Solution and was just remembering my fascination with the idea of the Bloodlands hypothesis today. Safe to say I got an A*! I ended up going on to do physics instead, but wartime history still fascinates me.
@@mabusestestament here, i'll translate: he said that insight could be non-sensical so long as u also believed nonsense could be insightful. no contradiction right, a perfectly symmetric & shiny turd of meaningless unhelpful uselessness.
Dr. Snyder, you are correct in my opinion on the circumstances and character of rescuers. Perhaps a certain gentleness is found in empathy experienced in prolonged circumstances of loss and not feeling socially or societally protected. ❤
For the absence vs presence of state structures in the occupied areas of the Third Reich with regards to saving the Jews, it very much depended who was leading the state structures. State structures existed in Slovakia and Croatia, yet the leadership was so aligned with the policies of Nazi Germany that the existing vs destroyed structures question state becomes irrelevant, because most of the Jews from these two countries perished during the Holocaust. One can still say that the structures of pre-war Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia were destroyed. However, unlike in Poland, the replacing entities were controlled by local allies of the Nazis, and not by the Nazis themselves.
Snyder gets completely unprofessional when he compares Holocaust in different countries. Putting sign of equality between occupied Poland ruled by Germans (for some reason he never uses word Germans, but Nazis) and other countries that willingly surrendered to Germans, who's governments officially cooperated with them and allowed for mass killings of their own population. This gets even better when you realize that despite death penalty in Poland, Poles would save most jews, whereas in countries without any penalty for saving jews there was only a handful of people who helped. Snyder is critical to Poles who saved jews stating "there wasn't many of them" but what in that time Americans did? Why didn't americans bomb the tracks to Auschwitz? Why American diplomats didn't save jews despite no potential penalty? Why he never criticizes western Europe that had most antisemitism for centuries long before Holocaust whos official governments cooperated with Hitler and took part in killing their jewish citizens like the French. We never hear a word from him about that. Why is he so in love with people like Oscar Schindler who risked nothing and perhaps Germans had only few more like him, but he is in full critique of Poles who in thousands were saving jews while each time risking their own and lives of their families? Snyder displays great amount of knowledge collected, yet he fails tremendously at synthesis and seeing events objectively with their weights attached accordingly to how it really was.
Poles didn't save most Jews though. The only occupied nation to do that were the Danish. I think you're getting different things mixed up. Although Poles have the highest number of citizens to be awarded 'Righteous Among the Nations', this was not enough to save the majority of Jews, given the sheer number of Jews who lived in Poland. For a variety of reasons, around 90% of Polish Jews didn't survive.
@@inotaishu1 As he says in the talk many killers were recruited from former Red Army soldiers (mostly Slav) who were being starved to death in POW camps. They had a very stark choice.
The murder of around 3 million Soviet soldiers was one aspect of The Hunger Plan ( for genocide in The USSR) which was actually carried out. As a complete plan it failed because it presupposed the early conquest of the whole of European Russia.
At 1 hour and 14 minutes into the lecture the moderator opts to allow multiple questions rather than the usual question/answer, then another question/answer format. Extremely annoying.
Romania was among several Allies of the Nazis such as Hungary, Slovakia, Croatia and many other countries that took part in the Holocaust. While Romania never deported Jewish people to the extermination camps and death camps or concentration camps in Poland and around 500.000 to 600.000 Romanian Jewish people survived the Holocaust it did not do so out of kindness but rather because Ion Antescou realized that they were losing the war and likely wanting to save his own skin he used Jewish people in Romania as bargaining chips and let’s not forget that Antescou was a adamant anti semite and was responsible for the deaths of between 300.000 and 400.000 innocent Jewish people as Romania under his rule organized brutal massacres and mass shootings and put thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people into concentration camps in occupied lands from Ukraine where they lived in horrible conditions which therefore resulted in the deaths of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of innocent people which in total killed between 300.000 and 400.000 innocent people. I am therefore suprised and angry that it isn’t discussed much.
What is he talking about with individual rescuers' motivation ? How about humanity, the chance taken. Many such people say 'how could I not help, not do it?' Over annalysing. I can't understand that cold, academic questioning. Want to know the answer then put yourself in that postion. It's called empathy.
There is no abstract motivation called "humanity". There are forces that condition people to act a certain way. A Polish farmer saved two beautiful Jewish girls and had sex with them throughout the occupation. An old pious Ukrainian lady saved a Jewish survivor from Babi Yar because she believed God had sent her to her doorstep.
@@JohnconnoSource for that quote? Why would a Jewish banker be taking to a German industrialist on trial. That's the job of lawyers, is it not? And any Jewish banker in Europe during the war would have lost their jobs and so wouldn't be a banker anymore, would they? If they even survived.
Religions without political power sought to help the oppressed and government power, a stable state is what protects the weak. This makes a great deal of sense.
One of the 8 swiss cheeseries of my family on the mothers side at the ancient Freistaat Danzig is the Chees Museum at Nowy Dwòr Gdanski, former Tiegenhof. See Internet. They flew with an blombed railway elefant waggon, which they bought for much monney from the actually residing circus at Tiegenhof, when my grandfather heared from german friends, that the Nazis have plant to deport him and his family to the KZ Stutthoff. After the war, they never got the compensation according the Washington Abkommen 1946 between Switzerland, Germany and the Allies, because Germany paid only a third of the sum, and this third was robbed by swiss government under Max Petitpierre and following presidents and never given a cent ot the swiss victims of the second world war in East Europe. My grandfather was convinced: all politicians are criminals. It's also my experience. DO IT BETTER!
Kessler Gabriela you said it brother. I heard that in Finland or Estonia (can’t recall which) the word for politics/government is the word that means “mold”. But even mold is more valuable to humanity because it can be used in cheese. I hope someday karma evens things out for your family; politicians sure won’t.
I agree with your father and even more so whebn I witness recent elections in USA .. the Democrats Stole 2020 election from President Trump via premeditated Fraud. I fear for world peace now and expect very negetive change in USA via Democrat Dictatorship.
@@MR-li1jj he just went on and on and ranted and didn’t end up making anything relevant out of it. Funny he doesn’t seem to think the speaker knows his history but doesn’t understand why anti semitism as a term is used and why it’s relevant
Dude that person in the back really needs to grab a cough drop or leave, seriously how do you cough like 50 times in a row and still just sit there ruining everyone's day?
1.03.46 . The people who rescued Anne Frank was not punished ?? What did I not get here ? She died in Bergen Belsen . She was not rescued ! What is his point, because he must know this . Anybody explain this ? 😀
The man is discombobulated and inside out. He’s supposed to be a linguist but his English is atrocious. That’s ok but not for a professor of his reputation
The focus should be on effectively preventing future mass suffering and death. I haven't seen anyone really getting to the core of the issue and doing an effective job of averting future repetitions and variations. Albert Schweitzer comes closer than others I have seen. The exposure and demise of superiority and arrogance (ego in its various guises) would probably help quite a bit.
Preventing future mass suffering and death hasn't worked out that well, has it. Since WW2, causing mass suffering and death has escalated exponentially : Communist China under Moa - approximately 60 million deaths; Cambodia under Pol Pot - about 2 million; Yugoslavian breakup - over 1 million; Rwandan genocide by Tutsis against the Hutus ; Saudi genocide against Yemen - over 1 million... and on and on and on. And that's only some of the genocides since the Nazis, not all. Vive Viveka, you "focus" is hollow.
I agree with Ms. Kessler. Much material pertinent to his subject was left out. The Nazis forcibly moved German speaking farming families from the conquered eastern countries to live on, manage, and farm lands vacated by the murdered families during Barbarosa. They didn't like being uprooted, being forced into farm houses that were just slightly better than the barns, and being separated from loved ones and friends. These are the three main points. There are more...
No, the bringing of ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe into Germany and occupied Poland occurred in 1939-40, before Barbarossa, in agreement with the USSR and the Baltic States (before Soviet annexation). Lets get basic facts straight.
So I've only recently started to listen to some historians do these lectures and my god I have never heard so many weird voices lol. Also, its a very intersting combination when I now scroll down and read 5 times Snyder is supposedly rewriting history by affirming the Holocaust. Look guys, I can entertain an argument, but you need to at least give me one. You're just stating conclusions; no premises. You should at least give me that, cuz I'm definitely not giving you any ground when you are disagreeing with an acadademic without even 1 argument lol
Dr David Irving? What are you talking about? David Irving doesn't even have an undergraduate degree, let alone a PhD, a doctorate. Therefore he isn't a doctor. If you don't even know that, what else don't you know?
I believe I can count several "Bloodlands" killing zones as Professor Timothy Snyder described like those in Poland - the Ukraine today, a nation stripped of Nation Hood and the Ukrainians of citizenship. The Uyghurs in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and several African states. And if certain people have their way, a La Frontiera of 10 miles on both sides of the US-Mexican border in which illegal migrants have no civil rights, and resident Hispanics have diminished respect economically and politically.
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Heuristic Exercise: This Lecture on Voting Rights "Econiche" Similarly, voting rights is the space democracy (and the DNC) needs to survive, the fundamental niche. Decades long efforts from organized money to restrict this civic space, impacting the Supreme Court, which has more or less been paving and leading the efforts to restrict the vote, are at an end game phase at this point. It's important to understand the history and origin of this latest aggression against fair elections. Part of the larger long term campaign to undermine democratic values, etc. One example, the current Supreme Court, in other words is probably not inclined to protect voting rights - and is active in the dismantling of existing rules that protect our democracy. Republican state lawmakers get these trends and are helping further these goals, to 'deport' voting rights from swing states. And so it should come as no surprise that we are seeing the kinds of voter suppression bills that we are now seeing in places like Georgia, Florida, Texas, and Arizona. Does that work?
How hilarious to read a Communist Liberal pontificating about voting rights. The 2020 election was stolen, and millions of Republican voters were thereby disenfranchised, by Communist Liberals.
Astonishing that the LSE seem incapable of finding someone to properly operate a sound mixer. Very impressed by the stick on bit of A4 print out on the podium though - that's sheer quality. The LSE are not worthy of having Timothy Snyder.
If you want to know why this happened just listen to Benjamin Freeman's 1961 speech and it all seems so clear. Let me be clear, nothing can excuse this kind of behavior but it can be at least explained and understood. #Strengthandhonor
During an execution in a forest, in which people were dumped in a mass grave, Himmler became sick. He apologized to an SS General for his weakness. The SS General said: "It doesn't matter, our own soldiers get sick from this kind of work too". Himmler understood that mass executions were too hard for the soldiers who had to do it. The idea of large death camps was born, and the details were discussed at the Wannsee conference.
That's hilarious in the darkest way. To a sane mind, his stomach sickness would have been revealing of an arousing of some embers of conscience. To Himmler, it meant they had to find a less upsetting way of exterminating people.
To Bob Taylor: There is nothing hilarious about Himmler's reaction. It's a natural human reaction. His "weakness" has nothing to do with his sadistic racial doctrines.
Soon the fulfillment of Isaiah 2:4 will take place: "He will render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore."
And all problems will be no more... According to Isaiah 65:21-25, under God's kingdom there will never exist problems pertaining housing, employment, health, daycare for children... "They will build houses and live in them, and they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build for someone else to inhabit, nor will they plant for others to eat. For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, and the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full. They will not toil for nothing. Nor will they bear children for distress, because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah, and their descendants with them. Even before they call out, I will answer; while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb will feed together, the lion will eat straw just like the bull, and the serpent’s food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” says Jehovah."
What about plain humanity ? Inherent goodness ? Knowing the difference between what is right and wrong ? I'm NOT a believer in 'statehood' - that is an inanimate concept that provides only a distinction of 'belonging' to some people;more to those who hold power and authority or who hanker after those things. There is nothing of basic humanity, which should be the goal of everyone - no matter their race - in this 100m.p.h. lecture. Yes, motives were given; that was about all.
@@KuroNekoExMachina , it's been a year and he hasn't been able to do it. That's because Snyder does seem to have figured out The Great Conundrum: what, precisely, could have driven Hitler's determination to wipe out the Jews? Anti - Semitism, which has not been rare in human history, could never suffice as an explanation of such intense hatred.
Snyder is fascinating and his perspective is illuminating but I disagree with his primary thesis that Hitler was a “zoological anarchist”. If his desire to destroy the states of his opponents was proof of his anarchism than was Stalin an anarchist because he did the same?
Polish thinking involved 'decolonisation and the creation of a state' for Jews 27:10 If Poland would not be an ally, it would 'at least be a benign neutral' against the Soviet Union (and anti-Jewish thinking and actions). Geographically, Poland lies between Germany and the Soviet Union. 27:52 Hitler sees a war against the Soviet Union as also a way to get rid of the Jews; 'the Poles do not understand this' 28:18 The 'breakdown in Polish German relations means that Hitler now begins to improvise' 28:57
If it wasn't for Russia taking the brunt of the war in Europe till June of 44 the war would have turned out alot different. That was good and bad after the war ended. They killed 8 out of every 10 nazi's. There losses were spectacular, like the ridiculous losses there taking in Ukraine.
Did you mention professor that Poland under German occupation in the WWII was the only place that the locals were under punishment of death for helping Jews? No, no. It was not only the helpers but the whole families and whole local neighbourhoods were exterminated as a punishment.
It's possible that also in Serbia helping Jews was punished by death, but that's the only exception, if true. In occupied Poland three Gentile rescuers were murdered on average for every saved Jewish person, acc to prof. Czesław Pilichowski, director of the predecessor of today's Polish IPN, 'No time limits for those crimes' 1980. Which country comes even remotely close to paying that price of helping Jewish people during the Holocaust? Which other country paid a price even comparable to Poland during Nazi and Soviet invasion and occupation?
Yes he mentioned that in his Book. He also mentioned how many Polish People where trying to help the Jews and that the Armia Krajowa urged all Poles to help the Jewish People.
people who went through such pain ,are committing the same crimes against Palestinians , and am sure among them are good people who don't like this politics of Israel
that's not exactly true! they aren't putting them in camps. israel uses defensive missiles, not offensive. They are shutting them OUT, not IN. they have thier own sections of land.
Did Max forget about decades of Palestinian terror against Israeli civilians in buses, cafes, schools, pizzerias, disco's, and 13-year-old Jewish girls getting stabbed to death in their bedrooms! Shall i go on
Hamas have actually written in their Charter that they desire the World Wide Murder of all Jews, not Israelis, Jews. The Third Reich didn’t write it down!!
@@paulgrieve7031Hitler was a Roman Catholic. He had his Confirmation at Lintz Cathedral in 1900. The Roman Catholic Church excommunicated Fidel Castro, but not Hitler. Why is that.
German Jews as defined by the Nazis included people who didn't consider themselves Jews. Many atheists. Racism is promoted by capitalism to divide and rule.
Read "When Victims Rule" It is eye opening to find out where Germany got ideas like Nuremburg Laws! I think it's Halachic Laws. Jewish interaction with the people in whose countries they resided were not ideal at all, not even good. There are two sides to things.
This comment is a non sequitur. The Nuremberg Laws were enacted to control, penalize and humiliate Jews in Germany. They were non negotiable. Halakha laws were being observed at the time of Jesus, only later were all 613 laws codified. Halakha is self enforcing by observant Jews. Secularized Jews chose not to fully observe Halakha but were not ostracized by their own. It's two totally different things. The Nazis borrowed forced sterilization, euthanasia, and forced separation of minorities from American eugenicists and the KKK. They are documented facts.
Except no Palestinian state existed in history. Between the fall of the Kingdom of Judea and the re-establishment of the State of Israel in 48, the only state that existed there was Israel. Jerusalem wasn't the capital of anything else except Israel.
Very few countries allowed Jews to immigrate from 1933- 45. Costa Rica and the Philippines were the exceptions. Britain wanted to appease the Arabs and even limited immigration to Palestine by the White Paper. Theodore Herzl only decided on the Israel option because he saw the amazing hostility towards Jews by the French, Germans, and Austrians evident in the Dreyfus trial and saw the deception of Jewish emancipation and citizenship in Europe since Napoleon's time. Canada's prime minister is quoted as having said "One is too many",
Interesting.lecture and Q & A session. The self-identified Arab and his Q about the habitual use of the idiotic and deceptive "antisemitism" shows that "not everybody knows. People should know that 350M Arabs are--in fact--the decisive majority of Semites, speaker of Afro-Asiatic languages, 15M Jews are a tiny Semitic minority, that there are also 100M Semitic Ethiopians (some of whom are now Ethiopian-Israelis) and that there are a few other small Semitic Peoples (Assyrians, Samaritans, etc). Moreover, people should know that' despite the "Aryan-Semetic Race Theory," there has been a long, deep, obfuscated affiliation between Islamists and National Socialist supremacists on the basis of a pathological envy, fear, hate, bigotry and genocidal rage, not based on any linguistic factors. Has Prof Snyder watched "The Turban. & the Swastika" on uTube, or read Cynthia's Farahat's recent "Secret Apparatus?" He certainly might. want to! So, in addition to the fact that, "not everybody knows," what exactly is the purpose, or good reason for using "antisemitism," instead of simply saying that somebody, or something is anti-JIZ (Jews, Israel, Zionism) as both "Aryans" and "Semites" are capable of being? Is it "sophisticated?" No. Is it OCD? Probably.
@@Fredmayve Funny what you've spun from my long post. Again, anti-JIZ Islamists are themselves Arab Semites. They actively supported the National Socialists (Nazis) who are the main culprits of the Holocaust. Obviously, despite their anti-JIZ genocidal rage, these Arab Islamists were not as sophisticated as the Nazis. Sadly, their enlightophobic ideology continues to hold back many failed Arab (and other Muslim-majority countries) and are a hazard to Muslims and to entire West. For more info, you might want to read/listen to Cynthia Farahat's "Secret Apparatus."
catastrophe begins with this accepted, normalized use of (*the* ) a term like "race" (outside of 1950' animal breeding chambers/ plans of course) just saying, ... just saying? it'just words and terms.. edit lots of them, i am half in the talk, but not a single time i heard the terms KAPITALismus🙊SOZALismus so far, which is strange, since those were the actual "hot topics" around that time, that were polarizing those fronts (not "the jews!" primarily, at all) , i dunno. and well, it also has been, and it still is, *right* ?
Professor Snyder's talk was fascinating and informative. I've read much about the Holocaust but was able after hearing this to understand what happened in a different way. Excellent lecture!
Oh my goodness... you have basically stated exactly what I did on another site he lectured on sane subject. For me ..he filled in all the gaps regarding my difficulty in comprehending human's abilitilty to commit this terrible failed attempt of destruction of an entire race.
@@mmartin7483 You never heard of Native American tribes that are well, GONE? Not just in N. America, but ALL of the Americas?
What is insane is that German Jews were indistinguishable from German Xians. So many of them fought in WW1, too.
agreed, this is a fantastic talk.
Try David Cole, Ernest Zundel and David living, you just might get some facts , but facts that international Zionist banker's don't like , research who funded the Russia revolution and the Holodomor read Churchill's Zionism vs Bolshevism and Henry Ford's The International Jew.
@@mmartin7483 it's nuances... it all ends and it all begins with the accepted use of the term "race" (outside of breeding chambers )
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I wrote my A level history coursework on Snyder and Browning's work on the Final Solution and was just remembering my fascination with the idea of the Bloodlands hypothesis today. Safe to say I got an A*! I ended up going on to do physics instead, but wartime history still fascinates me.
Fantastic! Great to hear a fresh perspective.
Fantastic. Eye-opening. And what a clear-minded speaker Professor Snyder is. Very gracious in his response to the last questioner.
Very insightful lecture. He presented a new perspective in such an effective and elequent manner.
Insightful? I guess it could be called that. Or just nonsensical, but nonsense could be considered insightful, yes.
@Joe T
Why nonsensical?
@@mabusestestament here, i'll translate:
he said that insight could be non-sensical so long as u also believed nonsense could be insightful.
no contradiction right,
a perfectly symmetric & shiny turd of meaningless unhelpful uselessness.
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Dr. Snyder, you are correct in my opinion on the circumstances and character of rescuers. Perhaps a certain gentleness is found in empathy experienced in prolonged circumstances of loss and not feeling socially or societally protected. ❤
For the absence vs presence of state structures in the occupied areas of the Third Reich with regards to saving the Jews, it very much depended who was leading the state structures. State structures existed in Slovakia and Croatia, yet the leadership was so aligned with the policies of Nazi Germany that the existing vs destroyed structures question state becomes irrelevant, because most of the Jews from these two countries perished during the Holocaust. One can still say that the structures of pre-war Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia were destroyed. However, unlike in Poland, the replacing entities were controlled by local allies of the Nazis, and not by the Nazis themselves.
Snyder gets completely unprofessional when he compares Holocaust in different countries. Putting sign of equality between occupied Poland ruled by Germans (for some reason he never uses word Germans, but Nazis) and other countries that willingly surrendered to Germans, who's governments officially cooperated with them and allowed for mass killings of their own population. This gets even better when you realize that despite death penalty in Poland, Poles would save most jews, whereas in countries without any penalty for saving jews there was only a handful of people who helped. Snyder is critical to Poles who saved jews stating "there wasn't many of them" but what in that time Americans did? Why didn't americans bomb the tracks to Auschwitz? Why American diplomats didn't save jews despite no potential penalty? Why he never criticizes western Europe that had most antisemitism for centuries long before Holocaust whos official governments cooperated with Hitler and took part in killing their jewish citizens like the French. We never hear a word from him about that. Why is he so in love with people like Oscar Schindler who risked nothing and perhaps Germans had only few more like him, but he is in full critique of Poles who in thousands were saving jews while each time risking their own and lives of their families?
Snyder displays great amount of knowledge collected, yet he fails tremendously at synthesis and seeing events objectively with their weights attached accordingly to how it really was.
@@damian4926 Thank you. Just about to listen and wil bear this in mind.
Entities?
@@damian4926 looks like we watched a different talk! He’s saying none of what you say he’s saying.
Poles didn't save most Jews though. The only occupied nation to do that were the Danish. I think you're getting different things mixed up. Although Poles have the highest number of citizens to be awarded 'Righteous Among the Nations', this was not enough to save the majority of Jews, given the sheer number of Jews who lived in Poland. For a variety of reasons, around 90% of Polish Jews didn't survive.
As far as I am aware, Slavic people also targeted for extermination, just not right away because they were still needed as cheap labor first.
Its in his book. Read it.
No they (the ones who survived and were deemed fit enough) were targeted to become a slave class.
@@mabusestestament If you say so.
@@inotaishu1
As he says in the talk many killers were recruited from former Red Army soldiers (mostly Slav) who were being starved to death in POW camps.
They had a very stark choice.
The murder of around 3 million Soviet soldiers was one aspect of The Hunger Plan ( for genocide in The USSR) which was actually carried out.
As a complete plan it failed because it presupposed the early conquest of the whole of European Russia.
Explained as I’ve never heard before. I finally understand. Thank you so much
The joke within the first minute didnt get any laughs...deserves some ♡!
Intellectual feast indeed. What a great perspective as well as introduction to government stability and genocides.
At 1 hour and 14 minutes into the lecture the moderator opts to allow multiple questions rather than the usual question/answer, then another question/answer format. Extremely annoying.
Interesting discussion of The Romanian role in The Holocaust towards the end.
This topic isn't much discussed.
Romania was among several Allies of the Nazis such as Hungary, Slovakia, Croatia and many other countries that took part in the Holocaust. While Romania never deported Jewish people to the extermination camps and death camps or concentration camps in Poland and around 500.000 to 600.000 Romanian Jewish people survived the Holocaust it did not do so out of kindness but rather because Ion Antescou realized that they were losing the war and likely wanting to save his own skin he used Jewish people in Romania as bargaining chips and let’s not forget that Antescou was a adamant anti semite and was responsible for the deaths of between 300.000 and 400.000 innocent Jewish people as Romania under his rule organized brutal massacres and mass shootings and put thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people into concentration camps in occupied lands from Ukraine where they lived in horrible conditions which therefore resulted in the deaths of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of innocent people which in total killed between 300.000 and 400.000 innocent people. I am therefore suprised and angry that it isn’t discussed much.
What is he talking about with individual rescuers' motivation ? How about humanity, the chance taken. Many such people say 'how could I not help, not do it?' Over annalysing. I can't understand that cold, academic questioning. Want to know the answer then put yourself in that postion. It's called empathy.
There is no abstract motivation called "humanity". There are forces that condition people to act a certain way. A Polish farmer saved two beautiful Jewish girls and had sex with them throughout the occupation. An old pious Ukrainian lady saved a Jewish survivor from Babi Yar because she believed God had sent her to her doorstep.
Psychopaths don't have empathy. I wouldn't last a second if I had to intellectualise every instinct I possess.
He's an academic. OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO HAVE THAT *COLD, ACADEMIC QUESTIONING*. Its called analysis. You don't do it with "feelings".
@Marie Large
It's pretty much what he is saying, though.
You won't convince people who don't feel it that it exists.
He goes to cite that poem @58:00 and says the guy wrote this while on a death march and luckily it was found...think about that...and explain how
lol are you denying the holocaust ?
I would like to express my profound gratitude to Professor Timothy Snyder for his unwavering dedication to exploring the deepest causes of genocide
'It wasn't personal, it was just good business.'
A German industrialist to a Jewish banker.
I can't tell if that's a reference from Taken or Lord Beckett from PotC 3.
@@SwfanredLotr The Nuremberg Court.
Crisis capitalism. You see it happening now.
@@JohnconnoSource for that quote? Why would a Jewish banker be taking to a German industrialist on trial. That's the job of lawyers, is it not? And any Jewish banker in Europe during the war would have lost their jobs and so wouldn't be a banker anymore, would they? If they even survived.
Religions without political power sought to help the oppressed and government power, a stable state is what protects the weak. This makes a great deal of sense.
One of the 8 swiss cheeseries of my family on the mothers side at the ancient Freistaat Danzig is the Chees Museum at Nowy Dwòr Gdanski, former Tiegenhof. See Internet. They flew with an blombed railway elefant waggon, which they bought for much monney from the actually residing circus at Tiegenhof, when my grandfather heared from german friends, that the Nazis have plant to deport him and his family to the KZ Stutthoff. After the war, they never got the compensation according the Washington Abkommen 1946 between Switzerland, Germany and the Allies, because Germany paid only a third of the sum, and this third was robbed by swiss government under Max Petitpierre and following presidents and never given a cent ot the swiss victims of the second world war in East Europe. My grandfather was convinced: all politicians are criminals. It's also my experience.
DO IT BETTER!
Kessler Gabriela you said it brother. I heard that in Finland or Estonia (can’t recall which) the word for politics/government is the word that means “mold”. But even mold is more valuable to humanity because it can be used in cheese. I hope someday karma evens things out for your family; politicians sure won’t.
I agree with your father and even more so whebn I witness recent elections in USA .. the Democrats Stole 2020 election from President Trump via premeditated Fraud. I fear for world peace now and expect very negetive change in USA via Democrat Dictatorship.
@@mmartin7483 complete uncorroborated piffle… sigh.
I beginning to believe your grandfather was right. We just have to look at our politicians in DC, to see the truth.
@@cognitor900 Still closing your eyes, to what is taking place in our country. Take off your rose colored glasses!
The questioner at 1:25:00 is a maniac
How
@@MR-li1jj he just went on and on and ranted and didn’t end up making anything relevant out of it.
Funny he doesn’t seem to think the speaker knows his history but doesn’t understand why anti semitism as a term is used and why it’s relevant
i would call him just an idiot
To defend a group so they are already the victims. Child IQ or what
Well worth investing time in. Many thanks.
Dude that person in the back really needs to grab a cough drop or leave, seriously how do you cough like 50 times in a row and still just sit there ruining everyone's day?
It’s all Hitler this , Hitler that. Nothing about the character of the German people.
What is this "German character" of which you speak? Enlighten us.
@@johndoe6298 three things. Obedience , obedience and blind obedience.
@@johndoe6298 Three things ! Obedience , obedience and blind obedience !
@@peterarnesen4046no, thats russian
1.03.46 . The people who rescued Anne Frank was not punished ?? What did I not get here ? She died in Bergen Belsen . She was not rescued ! What is his point, because he must know this . Anybody explain this ? 😀
the people who hid them.
The man is discombobulated and inside out. He’s supposed to be a linguist but his English is atrocious. That’s ok but not for a professor of his reputation
The focus should be on effectively preventing future mass suffering and death.
I haven't seen anyone really getting to the core of the issue and doing an effective job of averting future repetitions and variations.
Albert Schweitzer comes closer than others I have seen.
The exposure and demise of superiority and arrogance (ego in its various guises) would probably help quite a bit.
How is one supposed to do that?
free palestine - free the world
Preventing future mass suffering and death hasn't worked out that well, has it. Since WW2, causing mass suffering and death has escalated exponentially : Communist China under Moa - approximately 60 million deaths; Cambodia under Pol Pot - about 2 million; Yugoslavian breakup - over 1 million; Rwandan genocide by Tutsis against the Hutus ; Saudi genocide against Yemen - over 1 million... and on and on and on. And that's only some of the genocides since the Nazis, not all. Vive Viveka, you "focus" is hollow.
The racist right is again on the rise. And this time there is no organised left and no Soviet Union to oppose it.
I agree with Ms. Kessler. Much material pertinent to his subject was left out. The Nazis forcibly moved German speaking farming families from the conquered eastern countries to live on, manage, and farm lands vacated by the murdered families during Barbarosa. They didn't like being uprooted, being forced into farm houses that were just slightly better than the barns, and being separated from loved ones and friends. These are the three main points. There are more...
No, the bringing of ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe into Germany and occupied Poland occurred in 1939-40, before Barbarossa, in agreement with the USSR and the Baltic States (before Soviet annexation). Lets get basic facts straight.
Pleasure to listen to the scientist
Tim you are the man on this topic thank you for helping us understand a little more about the brutal times our world went through under nazis rule.
a perspective I find refressing and it's good to have a different view.
... provided the perspective or view is the factual one.
racial struggle is still going on what a shame snd i love tim snyder conferences
Thank you
Rewriting of modern history at its highest level.
If by rewriting you mean refining, yes. In any case you didn't make an argument. Just and unfounded observation.
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Do we need to have to have all this introduction before alecture.
Chill, the joys of watching it on RUclips is that you can skip past the intro.
BRILLIANT!!!!
So I've only recently started to listen to some historians do these lectures and my god I have never heard so many weird voices lol.
Also, its a very intersting combination when I now scroll down and read 5 times Snyder is supposedly rewriting history by affirming the Holocaust. Look guys, I can entertain an argument, but you need to at least give me one. You're just stating conclusions; no premises. You should at least give me that, cuz I'm definitely not giving you any ground when you are disagreeing with an acadademic without even 1 argument lol
Was Dr David Irving present? Would that be considered legal?
Dr David Irving? What are you talking about? David Irving doesn't even have an undergraduate degree, let alone a PhD, a doctorate. Therefore he isn't a doctor. If you don't even know that, what else don't you know?
The problem with Germany is that it was the poor mans Britain.
What does that mean?
Economic competition between capitalist states. Same as is starting now US v China and Russia.
Absolutely brilliant. 👏
I believe I can count several "Bloodlands" killing zones as Professor Timothy Snyder described like those in Poland - the Ukraine today, a nation stripped of Nation Hood and the Ukrainians of citizenship. The Uyghurs in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, and several African states. And if certain people have their way, a La Frontiera of 10 miles on both sides of the US-Mexican border in which illegal migrants have no civil rights, and resident Hispanics have diminished respect economically and politically.
The US is built on genocide and displacement of populations.
Estonia is not Scandinavia, it's not even Nordic.
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Salute
Heuristic Exercise: This Lecture on Voting Rights
"Econiche"
Similarly, voting rights is the space democracy (and the DNC) needs to survive, the fundamental niche. Decades long efforts from organized money to restrict this civic space, impacting the Supreme Court, which has more or less been paving and leading the efforts to restrict the vote, are at an end game phase at this point.
It's important to understand the history and origin of this latest aggression against fair elections. Part of the larger long term campaign to undermine democratic values, etc.
One example, the current Supreme Court, in other words is probably not inclined to protect voting rights - and is active in the dismantling of existing rules that protect our democracy.
Republican state lawmakers get these trends and are helping further these goals, to 'deport' voting rights from swing states.
And so it should come as no surprise that we are seeing the kinds of voter suppression bills that we are now seeing in places like Georgia, Florida, Texas, and Arizona.
Does that work?
How hilarious to read a Communist Liberal pontificating about voting rights. The 2020 election was stolen, and millions of Republican voters were thereby disenfranchised, by Communist Liberals.
Astonishing that the LSE seem incapable of finding someone to properly operate a sound mixer. Very impressed by the stick on bit of A4 print out on the podium though - that's sheer quality.
The LSE are not worthy of having Timothy Snyder.
They're economists, not business people.
They are well twinned.
If you want to know why this happened just listen to Benjamin Freeman's 1961 speech and it all seems so clear. Let me be clear, nothing can excuse this kind of behavior but it can be at least explained and understood. #Strengthandhonor
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What was the word he used for self sufficiency? Sounded like “arctartic”. I want to look the word up.
Autarchic?
Autarkic
Autarky means self-sufficiency. For my money, he could just have said that.
Autarkic - the status of having autarky (self-sufficiency).
One gets the impression that Prof Snyder is a gifted linguist but hasn't really mastered the copious literature on the Holocaust.
Absolutely. I just left a comment about these omissions.
Snyder does not know what he is talking about.
To be generous and compassionate
@@jean6872 at last!
The movie Being There doesn’t touch this!
@@jean6872 Care to comment with specifics?
he was definitely right about the soviet union
His only comment was how well the communists were good at destroying the states and their political apparatus.
Hitler? The Nazis were certainly beaten by the Soviet Union.
“Hitler messed around with his metaphors.”
Don’t you know this is being recorded? Professor!
During an execution in a forest, in which people were dumped in a mass grave, Himmler became sick. He apologized to an SS General for his weakness. The SS General said: "It doesn't matter, our own soldiers get sick from this kind of work too". Himmler understood that mass executions were too hard for the soldiers who had to do it. The idea of large death camps was born, and the details were discussed at the Wannsee conference.
That's hilarious in the darkest way. To a sane mind, his stomach sickness would have been revealing of an arousing of some embers of conscience. To Himmler, it meant they had to find a less upsetting way of exterminating people.
To Bob Taylor: There is nothing hilarious about Himmler's reaction. It's a natural human reaction. His "weakness" has nothing to do with his sadistic racial doctrines.
@@nathanraythomas1784 , that's my point. All of his racial theorizing pretensions were exposed as fraudulent by that human moment.
I've read that most people/ soldiers can't and don't kill. A lot of military training is to dehumanise.
@@Fredmayve so i guess black people aren't human then
It is funny how the last questioner's "secular" became "settler" in the answer.
Soon the fulfillment of Isaiah 2:4 will take place:
"He will render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore."
K.
And all problems will be no more...
According to Isaiah 65:21-25, under God's kingdom there will never exist problems pertaining housing, employment, health, daycare for children...
"They will build houses and live in them, and they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage.
They will not build for someone else to inhabit, nor will they plant for others to eat.
For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree, and the work of their hands my chosen ones will enjoy to the full. They will not toil for nothing. Nor will they bear children for distress, because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah, and their descendants with them.
Even before they call out, I will answer; while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
The wolf and the lamb will feed together, the lion will eat straw just like the bull, and the serpent’s food will be dust. They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” says Jehovah."
Too many soons
A never ending story...
A never ending story? The holocaust? The genoside like ww 2 Ruanda? Kmer Rouche? The lecture in the university What is a never ending story?
In places like Saxony er er Transylvania….STOP!
What about plain humanity ? Inherent goodness ? Knowing the difference between what is right and wrong ? I'm NOT a believer in 'statehood' - that is an inanimate concept that provides only a distinction of 'belonging' to some people;more to those who hold power and authority or who hanker after those things. There is nothing of basic humanity, which should be the goal of everyone - no matter their race - in this 100m.p.h. lecture. Yes, motives were given; that was about all.
Omg i would LOVE to debate this guy. I could say the sun orbits the earth against this guy's reasoning skill.
Point one argument he makes that you think is wrong and defend it with facts.
@@KuroNekoExMachina , it's been a year and he hasn't been able to do it. That's because Snyder does seem to have figured out The Great Conundrum: what, precisely, could have driven Hitler's determination to wipe out the Jews? Anti - Semitism, which has not been rare in human history, could never suffice as an explanation of such intense hatred.
@@KuroNekoExMachina he talks crap
He says French instead of France and Romanian instead of Romania ad infinitum
A different mental world? What?
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LSE! The mind boggles.
Well yes, but why ?
Snyder is fascinating and his perspective is illuminating but I disagree with his primary thesis that Hitler was a “zoological anarchist”. If his desire to destroy the states of his opponents was proof of his anarchism than was Stalin an anarchist because he did the same?
When will You stop it? Far from the WWII there are more and more survivals , aren't there ? Get out at least !!!!!
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Is it just me or is the whole audience constantly coughing like they just smoked a pack of cigarettes? Jesus christ. Go to the hospital not to a talk.
Naive as to what it’s all really about my friend
Take the speaker to hospital with you
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That’s what’s on the desk. That’s what you get! Some of the questions are equally inane and unintelligible. Imagine them in ten years!!!
The hollow accordion hemperly disagree because feedback only sip per a kaput partridge. incredible, shaky afghanistan
Snyder for President 2024!
52:09 a banality of good
Now I dont wanna play Heart of Iron 4 anymore xD
Shut up
@@retroplayer56 fantastic!
Polish thinking involved 'decolonisation and the creation of a state' for Jews 27:10
If Poland would not be an ally, it would 'at least be a benign neutral' against the Soviet Union (and anti-Jewish thinking and actions). Geographically, Poland lies between Germany and the Soviet Union. 27:52 Hitler sees a war against the Soviet Union as also a way to get rid of the Jews; 'the Poles do not understand this' 28:18
The 'breakdown in Polish German relations means that Hitler now begins to improvise' 28:57
There were more Russians and Poles killed in this war. That was a real tragedy
@@johnnyrocker7495 good to see at least some are awake to the propanganda
And Romanians
More Jews were killed than Poles.
But you're correct. More Russians were killed than Jews.
Poles and Belarusians, and Ukranians,and Latvia at first
If it wasn't for Russia taking the brunt of the war in Europe till June of 44 the war would have turned out alot different. That was good and bad after the war ended. They killed 8 out of every 10 nazi's. There losses were spectacular, like the ridiculous losses there taking in Ukraine.
Rumania is not Western Europe, nor Bulgaria. What claptrap this man speaks.
Did you mention professor that Poland under German occupation in the WWII was the only place that the locals were under punishment of death for helping Jews? No, no. It was not only the helpers but the whole families and whole local neighbourhoods were exterminated as a punishment.
It's possible that also in Serbia helping Jews was punished by death, but that's the only exception, if true.
In occupied Poland three Gentile rescuers were murdered on average for every saved Jewish person, acc to prof. Czesław Pilichowski, director of the predecessor of today's Polish IPN, 'No time limits for those crimes' 1980.
Which country comes even remotely close to paying that price of helping Jewish people during the Holocaust?
Which other country paid a price even comparable to Poland during Nazi and Soviet invasion and occupation?
Yes he mentioned that in his Book. He also mentioned how many Polish People where trying to help the Jews and that the Armia Krajowa urged all Poles to help the Jewish People.
Also in Holland.
people who went through such pain ,are committing the same crimes against Palestinians , and am sure among them are good people who don't like this politics of Israel
that's not exactly true! they aren't putting them in camps. israel uses defensive missiles, not offensive. They are shutting them OUT, not IN. they have thier own sections of land.
Did Max forget about decades of Palestinian terror against Israeli civilians in buses, cafes, schools, pizzerias, disco's, and 13-year-old Jewish girls getting stabbed to death in their bedrooms! Shall i go on
Hamas have actually written in their Charter that they desire the World Wide Murder of all Jews, not Israelis, Jews. The Third Reich didn’t write it down!!
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Roman Catholic Origins
Wrong
@@paulgrieve7031Hitler was a Roman Catholic. He had his Confirmation at Lintz Cathedral in 1900. The Roman Catholic Church excommunicated Fidel Castro, but not Hitler. Why is that.
Are the Jews a race or a religion?
Jews or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group and a nation originating from the Israelites and Hebrews of historical Israel and Judah.
Both
They are East Europeans who adopted Judaism.
primarily a religion,maintained by one large ethnic group or race. They have allowed many to convert to their religion who aren't of the "race".
German Jews as defined by the Nazis included people who didn't consider themselves Jews. Many atheists. Racism is promoted by capitalism to divide and rule.
Why is Putin prosecuting this gratuitous war in Ukraine? Well, what's the Russian word for 'lebensraum'?
Why? The short answer is because he's a c**t.
Read "When Victims Rule" It is eye opening to find out where Germany got ideas like Nuremburg Laws! I think it's Halachic Laws. Jewish interaction with the people in whose countries they resided were not ideal at all, not even good. There are two sides to things.
This comment is a non sequitur. The Nuremberg Laws were enacted to control, penalize and humiliate Jews in Germany. They were non negotiable. Halakha laws were being observed at the time of Jesus, only later were all 613 laws codified. Halakha is self enforcing by observant Jews. Secularized Jews chose not to fully observe Halakha but were not ostracized by their own. It's two totally different things.
The Nazis borrowed forced sterilization, euthanasia, and forced separation of minorities from American eugenicists and the KKK. They are documented facts.
@@nathanraythomas1784 US had its own history of genocide for Lebensraum.
In Romanian you had a distinct policy??? Romanian is a language or someone from Romania! How is this person a professor???
Also:
French is closer to Denmark?
If you say so!
You’re the professor!
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“The Third Reich is a way of compressing everything”
??? Is this a form of rap?
The final solution was from Theodor Herzl, to colonize Palestine.
@@ryanmurdoch9581 that's only true of some though.
Except no Palestinian state existed in history.
Between the fall of the Kingdom of Judea and the re-establishment of the State of Israel in 48, the only state that existed there was Israel.
Jerusalem wasn't the capital of anything else except Israel.
Very few countries allowed Jews to immigrate from 1933- 45. Costa Rica and the Philippines were the exceptions. Britain wanted to appease the Arabs and even limited immigration to Palestine by the White Paper. Theodore Herzl only decided on the Israel option because he saw the amazing hostility towards Jews by the French, Germans, and Austrians evident in the Dreyfus trial and saw the deception of Jewish emancipation and citizenship in Europe since Napoleon's time. Canada's prime minister is quoted as having said "One is too many",
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You are making this up or you have read this from some website or something whom made this up.
@@AskAbigailProductions Great Post
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Interesting.lecture and Q & A session. The self-identified Arab and his Q about the habitual use of the idiotic and deceptive "antisemitism" shows that "not everybody knows. People should know that 350M Arabs are--in fact--the decisive majority of Semites, speaker of Afro-Asiatic languages, 15M Jews are a tiny Semitic minority, that there are also 100M Semitic Ethiopians (some of whom are now Ethiopian-Israelis) and that there are a few other small Semitic Peoples (Assyrians, Samaritans, etc). Moreover, people should know that' despite the "Aryan-Semetic Race Theory," there has been a long, deep, obfuscated affiliation between Islamists and National Socialist supremacists on the basis of a pathological envy, fear, hate, bigotry and genocidal rage, not based on any linguistic factors. Has Prof Snyder watched "The Turban. & the Swastika" on uTube, or read Cynthia's Farahat's recent "Secret Apparatus?" He certainly might. want to!
So, in addition to the fact that, "not everybody knows," what exactly is the purpose, or good reason for using "antisemitism," instead of simply saying that somebody, or something is anti-JIZ (Jews, Israel, Zionism) as both "Aryans" and "Semites" are capable of being? Is it "sophisticated?" No. Is it OCD? Probably.
Quite a leap over logic, to blame the holocaust on 'Islamists' .
@@Fredmayve Funny what you've spun from my long post. Again, anti-JIZ Islamists are themselves Arab Semites. They actively supported the National Socialists (Nazis) who are the main culprits of the Holocaust.
Obviously, despite their anti-JIZ genocidal rage, these Arab Islamists were not as sophisticated as the Nazis. Sadly, their enlightophobic ideology continues to hold back many failed Arab (and other Muslim-majority countries) and are a hazard to Muslims and to entire West. For more info, you might want to read/listen to Cynthia Farahat's "Secret Apparatus."
wonder what's his take on Israels Holocaust of Palestinians
It's probably similar. However, I appreciate him staying in his lane as an expert in Eastern European history. More academics should do that.
catastrophe begins with this accepted, normalized use of (*the* ) a term like "race" (outside of 1950' animal breeding chambers/ plans of course)
just saying, ...
just saying?
it'just words and terms..
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lots of them, i am half in the talk, but not a single time i heard the terms KAPITALismus🙊SOZALismus so far, which is strange, since those were the actual "hot topics" around that time, that were polarizing those fronts (not "the jews!" primarily, at all) , i dunno.
and well, it also has been, and it still is, *right* ?
This is LSE. And Snyder. 24 million Russians died in the invasion.
Agree 100% with you.