History of Christianity: Early Christian Worship
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2014
- Doc Matthews gives a power-point lecture on early Christian worship. This lecture corresponds with Week 5 of his Spring 2014 History of Christianity course.
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*Note: I am not Doc Matthews, he is an instructor at the university I attend; I merely upload his video lectures for him on RUclips, as it takes too long for him to do it with his schedule and internet. All uploads of his lectures will now be handled by Doc Matthews himself rather than by me. You can find his videos and page at the following link: / @stevenmatthews1557
Professor, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this lecture. I am a Catholic who has been asked to teach a Church History course, and honestly this video is one of the best sources I have found so far. I will definitely be watching other lectures of yours. And I love your sense of humor too! X'D Brilliant historical work, and many thanks and much respect from a brother Christian ✝️☦️
This is a masterful study! I have studied this before, but quite a few holes were filled in. I hope people are paying close attention. This Professor knows his subject very well. This is a very honest approach.
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Leaving into EO I’m going to my first Divine Liturgy in a couple weeks to check it out. I was raised in a messianic Jewish home and this makes so much more sense because contemporary MJ is essentially birthed out of the reformation.
Interesting. I would like to know more about that as I ascribe to Messianic Judaism.
the early beliver were judeo-christians. look at the first 15 bishops of Jerusalem.
judeo-christians was there since th beginng. so messanic jews (without talmud) is the most biblical sound teaching.
Wow! Thank you sir! I’m so interested in the early Christian belief and the books found later that have been hidden from us. This is awesome info presented clearly and concisely. God bless you for your gift you are sharing with us all!
Thank you very much, hope to sit in your class in the comfort of my room. I’m all ears and very curious.
I just came here to understand early Christianity and I am happy that I did. I am also happy that I am not in class to take this as a test.
hi Thank you for this video! first, your pronuciations of Greek and Hebrew are very native-sounding. nice to see your talent and effort in that regard. but more importantly, your interpretation of the historical realities of the early movement are very bang-on;you CLEARLY KNOW what you are talking about, unlike the numerous uninformed Philistines commenting here. Their malignant influence on the faith has come and gone. knowing our roots w!ill carry us forward. cheers!
My understanding about the first Christians gathering on Sunday was because they were still going to synagogue on, and observing, the Sabbath. As far as the modern debate goes to when Jews or Christians should "worship", the Bible doesn't say. We should observe the 7th day Sabbath as the day to rest and do no regular work. But as far as "worshiping" goes, we should be doing that every day in our conduct.
Where’s your evidence that the early Christians observed the weekly sabbath? I’ll give you a clue, there is none
@@diegobarragan4904 Acts 13:14 for one.
@@diegobarragan4904 Look, if you want to believe that Jesus and His early followers threw God's law into the toilet, go ahead. So why did Paul go to the leaders in Jerusalem to ask if the non-Jews had to be circumcized and what laws they needed to observe.
The Sabbath is a day of REST. It doesn't say it's the day to "worship".
Why don't YOU show me where they weren't resting on the Sabbath after the husband left.
Live in sin if you like. Just don't say later that you weren't warned.
Sheesh. It's like you people can't read. No, that's not it. You just love your sin is what Scripture says. Believe the lies. That's what you love. Pathetic apostate so-called Christians.
Leslie Kendall you still haven’t shown proof that the early Christians observed the sabbath every week, didn’t I tell you that you couldn’t. Your pushing your own interpretation on isolated verses on history. You went on a big emotional rant but provided no proof.
@@diegobarragan4904 Like I said, you can toss the 10 Commandments into the toilet if you like. But because IT says to observe the 7th day of rest, to do it is obedience to what pleases God. And if you think the first JEWISH disciples were disobeying the law of God, that's your privilege.
Awesome! This work will assist me in my work greatly.
"Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”
Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing." Acts 8:35-39
This is a brave,insightful,brilliant lecture. Great job Professor.Thank you!
Christ is risen! Professor, I can't thank you enough for this video. A thousand amens! I'm a convert to the Catholic Church from Islam and Protestantism, and I am very passionate about Catholic-Orthodox unity. I love my sister church. I shared your video on Facebook.
God bless!
Indeed He is Risen! Thank you for your kind comment.
And thank you for sharing the video. Any road to unity will come down to understanding our mutual foundations in the early church, and I believe it can happen.
Dustin Quick Most of the new testament was made in Aramaic, it was and is a lie that most of the new testament to was made in Greek, the apostles used to speak Hebrew and Aramaic and yeshua only knew Aramaic and Hebrew. Is a lie of the Europeans that the new testament was made in Greek. You need yeshya in your life, yeshua loves you even that you prophane the word if God.www.RUclips.com/VoiceofReform
Dustin Quick The true Sabbath was followed by the phases of the moon, not a certain day of the week. Our Father established it so we can recognize it without a man made calendar. Keep seeking brother. ❤️
I feel sorry for you,because you don’t know the Bible,catholic church is a cult it’s a mixed religion paganism with Christianity !
At our OCA parish, we have a full agape meal after every Divine Liturgy. It really is an important part of worship.
Wish that would catch on. We have one at my parish also.
Wow that’s awesome
Watching this in 2024 - awesome lecture, knowledgeable lecturer - thanks! God bless you
I want to thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for a random "princess bride" movie quote !!!
Thank you for your historic insights.
8:41 mark was written after the Pauline faction of the Faith. Not every ebionite was against Christ being the Messiah in the traditional sense, that the Christ would come in the power of the Father.
Matthew counters mark in key aspects like the law.
thanks brother for the teachings
thanks for this it is very helpful in my studies.
Amazing Prof - worth listening
This is an amazing lecture. I considered this stuff long before I discovered this lecture. It is what led me to the Orthodox church.
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How so?
Amen
How ? Christians were saved before orthodoxy and Catholicism was even a thing.
but if early beliver are judeo-christian shouldnt we do lik wise since they would be the most biblically sound beliver.
so the hebrew roots movements its correct then.
really really super good! big compliment!
Excellent. Thank you
Very interesting lectures! Lots of homework to do from this. Very much appreciated! Any chance I can find the previous Mark lectures he keeps referring to? Anybody have a line on those?
I enjoyed this ..thanks
This guy loves hearing his own voice. May YHWH bless him in his pursuit of true knowledge.
Thank you.
I had a question in your lecture you mention that in the body of believers there was debate but never division. I was wondering what was the standard for maintaining unity in the church and what was debatable?
Thank you for your time.
I love this lecture and style of teaching. Questions remaining specially about the idea of the synagogue as the early church. Could you give me some primary source references about this
great, thank you
I found this video fascinating and I have questions though I doubt I may ever get a response. I suppose I may try anyways:
1. Regarding the synagogue liturgy, wasn't there also a daily recitation of the ten commandments that was later dropped due to "heretics" accepting only the ten and rejecting the other 613?
2. Regarding singing in the synagogue, was this not a later development because singing was originally restricted only to the temple? And wasn't the singing all acapella due to the playing of instruments considered both pagan as well as a form of work prohibited on sabbath?
It is somewhat anachronistic to use Duro Europos as representative of oikos structures 100+ years in its past. The fact is that the first fixed altar in Christian architecture is in St. John Lateran of Rome. Using the testimony of Pliny’s letter to Trajan, Justin Martyr’s description of Sunday gathering, and the writings of Augustine and councils about the abuse of eucharistic food commingled with profane food, there is ample evidence of a lot of development in liturgy prior to most ecclesial building.
Hi, fantastic lecture. Thanks for uploading. I've been looking for a course like this for ages but there is so much nonsense out there and people with agendas that I had almost given up getting hold of some proper objective history. Any idea where the rest of the lectures are (esp.1-4)? Or are there links to the course/course materials?
Very interesting
when was the new testament tittle page put in the bible? and who inserted it?
History of the Orthodox Church... VERY NICE! Thank you for your work, greetings from Bulgaria!
History of the orthodox church says the majority of Christian churches were non trinitarians that baptized in the name of Jesus Christ
First , thank you for this teaching. It has been super helpful to my search of early Christianity.
Second do you have any lectures like this about the icons and when they became part of the liturgy
Ok. Have heard half the lecture. And have taken notes. I'm not apart of a school, but need to learn the early church. I have a question about rituals. I was to understand God doesn't care for our man made rituals and traditions, but seeks a simple form of worship? If you explain more on the issue later it's fine. But if not, can you maybe explain what you believe is ok and what is not?
where is the next video?
Thank you! ( - :
20:30 excellent breakdown my friend
Unleavened bread was used at the last supper. In the days leading up to passover, you wouldn't even have leaven in your house.
I just don't think you get from there to here without divine inspiration. The miracles were real and Jesus made a believable and successful case for his divinity during his walk. I don't see any other way a group of obscure Hebrew create a branch that achieves such powerful global influence.
If your using slides or pics ,why can't we see them here? I am a Catholic,but I am on the verge of leaving this Church,for the Orthodox.But it is not easy for me,the Petrine",thou art PETER,ETC,still holds me back,and the split between east and west.Now I have look into both sides but could but could not really make a desicion perhaps not info ? Is there books video or whatever media,where I can get accurate and fair assessment of these matters,which could help me?
"Petra" large rock; "Petros" small rock.
"Thou art Petros and upon this petra I will build My church." Matthew 16:18
As to the number of Christians at the turn of the 1st to 2nd century, 8,000 souls would be small if you consider that 3,000 souls were added on day #1.
Yes the numbers dont add up,....if you just add the numbers that Jesus , and the apostles converted in the first century (just according to what you can find in the new testament...) they should be it least 30.000 in the israel (mostly Ierusalim ...) alone
They put smaller numbers to discredit the movement, when actually the movement was multiplying by the thousands at a single preaching, ....just read the 4 gospels and Pauls writings man, its all there....by the first century Christianity had milions thoughout the whole world man!!
Hello sir, I think there may be a technical issue with this particular video. I have played it twice and it seems to simply stop and exits RUclips around 30 minutes into the video. The issue occurs around the part where you start discussing the need for so-called scholars to study Greek and Hebrew. Great video, please re-post the rest. God bless.
Where did the owner of the Chanel go? I can see his last video was 10yrs ago. Too good videos we need more of this .
We know just from reading the book of Acts that there were at least 5000 Christians in Jerusalem by the end of Acts chapter 3, so by the time you get to the end of the first century nearly 70 years later, there were far more than only 8000.
He was citing a Liberal Scholar's view on the number in relation to a proto-Arian Jewish Cult being an "Alternate Church" to the Orthodox Church.
who was the founder of Christianity and associates
Jesus was celebrating the end of the fast of the Firstborn ( also related to Him being the Priest of the household as eldest male & perhaps taking back the order of Melchizedek & a signal of the Levitical change to come. This end of Fast related to the gratefulness that the Firstborn of the Israelites was passed over & the Egyptians Firstborn & all other Firstborn who rejected coming under the blood of the Lamb were destroyed.
Justin the Martyr is the best source so far
Excellents video series. I fail to see how anybody could seriously maintain that Christianity does not have Jewish roots. However, sometimes I wonder if our theology has possibly been too much influenced by a Greek world view instead of a Jewish world view.
Both religions are completely opposite and makes Jews think if we are worshiping the same G-d. It's like after Adam and Eve the world went away from G-d to this horrible view of G-d. There is no hell or original sin. That's a worldly invention. G-d loves all his human souls not just one group. Judaism has never taught anything other than this. We just have different roles. When the Torah (bible) calls the Jews "The Chosen Ones" we a particular job to do. The has kept us from doing it. The prophets like Isaiah tells the Jews we will finally get to do it. Ten gentiles will take a hold of our clothes and they will say "teach me".
Most scholars are actually quite hesitant about this, because of the complete lack evidence of 1st century Jewish worship.
Paul Jews don’t believe in hell? I didn’t know that. What do Jewish people believe happens to all wicked people? Thanks.
Paul You have a very naive and simplistic view of Christianity. The Jewish Mission was to point to Christ. After the cross, all are sins of Abraham. Saved Christians more so that Jews following the Law
It’s neither a Jewish view or a Christian view. It must be a 6,000 year story that includes the history of the antediluvian world, the Jews as well as the Gentiles and now the entire Church as the Bride of Christ.
Wouldn't the "Jewish" baptism be the mikva?( the ritual self dunking in flowing waters,that takes place even today among Jews).
QUESTION: Where the Ten Commandments written for ETERNITY; If they are; are we not still commanded to follow the Sabbath day on Saturdays? Please advise
@Beeblebrox One His question wasn't even a salvation issue: which you are answering from. His question was two-fold. Are the Ten Commandments written for eternity? Yes. Fortunately, we are not judged by such after transferring from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light. Since we are justified by faith, we practice the righteousness imputed to us through the Holy Spirit; which antinomians will highlight how it can't be God's Law. Paul asserts that the mind stayed upon the Spirit submits to God's law, not simply because the flesh cannot, but primarily because faith pleases God. Just as they without faith cannot please God, those without the Spirit cannot walk in completed righteousness.
As for the Sabbath, I think it would be wise if the Holy Spirit is encouraging you to rest Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, to do so; however, do not forsake the fellowship on the first day of the week.
The commandment tells you to work 6 days and rest one. The commandments does not say which one.
Bridgefin Are you seriously that blind? Go and read Luke. See that the seventh day is before the resurrection of Christ.
Hello! Thanks for the question. It is something that many (especially me) have wrestled with over the years. Obviously the fragmentation of Western Christianity doesn't in anyway make it less complicated in trying to figure out the relationship between the Old Testament with its laws and commandments and the New Testament in light of the Old. I will attempt to share with you some points of study. May God purify everything I share with you by His Spirit through Jesus Christ our Lord with all the saints, Amen!
I will leave you Scripture references that you may search out. The Ten Commandments in general and the Sabbath in particular have to viewed in light of Jesus who for us Christians is The Christ and Son of the Living God, which is a point of contention for Judaism and Islam. The Lord Jesus Christ said in His sermon in Matthew 5:17, "Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."
The Law: This consists of and includes what may be deduced from the first five books of the Old testament Moses (after 40 days in face to Face communion with God) gave God's message to the people as; The Civil Law, Ceremonial Law and the Moral Law. It has been said that the Civil Law and Ceremonial Law derive from the Moral Law. Thus, the Moral Law(Ten Commandments) is the barometer of righteousness and justice with Yahweh. Accordingly so, Christ fulfilled all righteousness and justice for us with God because He truly kept Every commandment. And so the Apostles could then speak the way the did about Jesus in Acts. 13:33 fulfilling the "Law of Moses!"
The Sabbath: It logically follows that if Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses then He also perfectly "fulfilled," the fourth commandment: the Sabbath! But this is where the Mystery of Christ is revealed. How did He fulfill the Sabbath? As Man, He kept it absolutely. However as God He completed the Sabbath or "rest," for mankind which is what it alluded to. This is intimated by looking at the Creation Narrative. There are 7 total days. after 6, God finished His Work then on the 7th He rested. Fast forward to Holy Week and there are typologies. On Good Friday what was one of Christ's last "7," words? "It is Finished!" Then what happened on Saturday? He was "resting," as it were from His Works," Physically but by the Spirit went to Hades and brought "rest," to those awaiting (Hosea 13:14).
Resurrection Day: Then the next day He rose from the dead. What day was it? It wasn't called Sunday historically in Judaism. The days were numbered. So, as God created the old Creation in 7 days, He also did with the New Creation. Jesus rose again on the 3rd Day. This 3rd Day is measured from the day He was taken down off The Cross, the 6th Day. So then, Friday is the 6th Day, Saturday the 7th Day and Sunday is the: 8th day? Yes but also the 1st Day. The early Church understood this to be the Lord's Day and saw that His Resurrection gave fuller meaning to the Sabbath and actually transcended it by being the 8th day numerically which changed the course of all history! 8 represents newness it seems in the Bible. Babies were circumcised on the 8th day marking entrance into covenant with Yahweh. Christians of the New Covenant, we have the circumcision of Christ that happened on the 8th day. Colossians 2:11-13. But Christ also rose on the 1st Day of the Week which was the Day which God said "Let there be Light!" He Himself identifies with it in: John 8:12
The Church then met on the 1st Day of the week because of Christ's Resurrection understanding that He in His Work transcended the Sabbath because He is The Sabbath Rest of God! Matt. 11: 28-30, Matthew 12:8 Mark 2:27-28 Acts 20:7
God Bless you and may The Holy Spirit lead you into all truth! Amen!
@@orthodoxrocks9644 Lots of rationalizing and reaching.
1) The Sabbath was sanctified before the Garden of Eden. It is separate from the law.
2)Since we still keep all of the other 9 commandments, why do we only reject the 4th? Shall we worship idols and blasheme His name? Or murder, steal and break the marriage covenant?
No. The Sabbath is unchanged.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. John 8:36. God is a spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in trurth. John 4:24
Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Sindak Situmorang Passover Seder was not introduced until after the temple destruction. Well after the death of Jesus. The history is clear. You need to educate your self on Jewish history. Christianity rewrites Jewish history to fit their dogma. Simple things that are written in the new testament are completely wrong such as the two times it list the 12 tribes. Both times are wrong and different from each other. We could pray and be around each other up until after the temple destruction. Then things change and Jews had to separate from each other. Which means the first Christians were following the Torah. The pagan ideas crept in. Paul instituted these ideas trying to bring in non Jews. Jews rejected Paul, so Paul had to go else where. Christian paginsm push the original Christians and teachings to extinction. Jesus wasn't different than any other Jew in a time of Roman rule. It is clear Jesus was human not G-d. Later Christians made him a god.
Sindak Situmorang Shalom A'mein !!! Truth is truth and truth will always set you free
PAUL: Thank you for making this point. It seems odd that the seder issue should be one the points that I get the most objections to in live classes as well (always from Christians.). I hope I come across correctly: both the Jewish Seder (as observed today) and the early Christian Eucharist come from a Jewish Second Temple era order of prayer. Christians do themselves no favors by trying to coopt elements of Rabbinic Judaism, and it is particularly problematic that in doing so they eschew Jewish history.
Paul I’m thinking you need to go back even farther. Teaching of the Mazzaroth. Forgive my misspelling. There was a story in the Stars. Babylon perverted it. The Story was about Yashua. We can piece together some of the story through the diadems. But unfortunately it has been lost through time. Enoch knew it. Shem knew it. Unfortunately the perversion our of Babylon spread to all cultures. I think we shouldn’t just throw everything out of paganism because it doesn’t fit our tradition. A savior of virgin birth was well known in antiquity. The Sons of God lost it somewhere along the way. Then was replaced by tyranny. They perverted their children with unbelievers and these women taught the children to be unruly. If you think Judaism is pure your nuts. Just look how much Judaism respects Men and stuff over God. As people of God we should all be daily observers of God’s commands. And surely God said He would give a New Commandment. I only know Yashua as changing anything. Love the Lord God and your Neighbor as yourself. Not only does this keep the old but also the new. All of the Old was a shadow pointing to Jesus(Yashua). But it’s good to sift through what is good and what leads away from God. I find it funny that you think taking out a vowel keeps you from using God’s name in vain. Thinking you don’t use God’s name in vain, so why even do this? Tradition.
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hello, can anyone tell me the textbook he keeps referring too? I have looked at the course description at Uni and cant find it.
melisendee think it wasn’t literal but if by chance
Very interesting lecture. thanks!
Only one thing - the root of the Hebrew word for 'blessing' - Birkah - is not ב.ר.ק. but ב.ר.כ.
The third letter should be Kaf (which in different phonetical contexts can be pronounced either as 'K' or 'KH') and not Quf.
+Yoni Silver Absolutely right. I think what happened here is that I switched Hebrew fonts in two different sets of lectures and the keyboard equivalents changed this on me. (This happens a lot as different "standards" come in for keyboard layouts.) I wasn't paying attention while recording, and hard to change that now that it's recorded, but I'll get on it (though it will mean some audio editing which I'm not good at.)
Just to let you know, fixing this is still on my "to do" list.. .
Having attended Passover Seders in Messianic synagogues, they still use unleavened bread and perform the action of holding the unleavened bread above their heads and breaking it as they bring it down, says the words that Jesus said "The bread of life which comes down from heaven" to which Jesus says "I am the bread of life".
I once asked my Jewish friend about unleavened bread, knowing already the theological implications, she explained that the purpose of sweeping the floor...which John the Baptist refers to in "whose fan is in His hand and He will thoroughly clean His floor", that is performed throughout the Pesach week, is to remove sin. So I asked her if she would be interested in knowing how to have sin removed altogether.
Certainly the early church was Jewish, but even in the Passover Seder, which is what the last supper was, the words and actions of Jesus are still used today.
And another reason to think the Passover was a traditional Seder, was the fact of the timing of the women. The disciples were gathered in a house, not a church, because they were sitting Shiva, or that time of mourning that all Jewish people do customarily. Because it happened just prior to the Sabbath, on a high holy day, the cleansing of the body was put off until the day was over. That is why the women went on that Sunday, because it was a high holy day. That is traditionally the sitting Shiva and the customs of what happens on those days. The disciples would not have been in a church, they would have been in the home of Mary, because she was His mother. James would have been there also. Remember, the tradition in Judaism is the body must be cleaned and buried within 24 hours, but the fact the women must wait is because the law regarding high holy days and Sabbaths.
That is why I believe the Passover meal was the traditional seder, because of the timing of the washing of the body. Just because there was no lamb mentioned, Peter was advised to find a house with an upper room for the purpose of preparing the seder. The cup in which you refer to is called the Kiddush cup that all of the people would have drunk from and this same Kiddush cup is passed to the guests who sit with the bride and groom in a traditional Jewish wedding. The Kiddush is also a type of communion. I know this because I was in the wedding party of my friend and the Kiddush was passed to me as well.
I do disagree about the theological implications of unleavened vs. leavened, but as this is your world view of Christianity and what you allow as part of that world view, then that is your interpretation. I know fully well what unleavened means to the Jew-Centric mind.
Jesus raised the unleavened bread (because NO JEWISH house could have ANY leaven whatsoever in it) and said "I am the bread of life which comes down from heaven", and then passed the Kiddush cup. If Jesus were a kosher-keeping Jew, then the bread was unleavened.
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Passover Seder did not exist until after the second temple was destroyed, another lie, matzah is for the reminder of Exudes from Egypt, not Jesus, another lie. Christianaity a complete lie.
@@emettorah1 Sorry, I've been to Passover seders. The bitter herbs are for the reminder of the time of slavery. Everything in the seder represents something, so why are you telling us something out of your anger?
But yes, the leaven represents sin, that is why Jews sweep it out of their house. My question to Jewish people is this, since you sweep the leaven out once a year to get rid of sin, why not accept a cleansing that gets rid of sin forever? I could quote many Torah and Tanahk verses for you to consider, but the one I think is most appropriate from Micah.
6 : 1 Hear ye now what the Lord saith; Arise, contend thou before the mountains, and let the hills hear thy voice.
2 Hear ye, O mountains, the Lord's controversy, and ye strong foundations of the earth: for the Lord hath a controversy with his people, and he will plead with Israel.
3 O my people, what have I done unto thee? and wherein have I wearied thee? testify against me.
4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.
5 O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab consulted, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him from Shittim unto Gilgal; that ye may know the righteousness of the Lord.
6 Wherewith shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?
7 Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
9 The Lord's voice crieth unto the city, and the man of wisdom shall see thy name: hear ye the rod, and who hath appointed it.
10 Are there yet the treasures of wickedness in the house of the wicked, and the scant measure that is abominable?
11 Shall I count them pure with the wicked balances, and with the bag of deceitful weights?
12 For the rich men thereof are full of violence, and the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth.
13 Therefore also will I make thee sick in smiting thee, in making thee desolate because of thy sins.
14 Thou shalt eat, but not be satisfied; and thy casting down shall be in the midst of thee; and thou shalt take hold, but shalt not deliver; and that which thou deliverest will I give up to the sword.
15 Thou shalt sow, but thou shalt not reap; thou shalt tread the olives, but thou shalt not anoint thee with oil; and sweet wine, but shalt not drink wine.
16 For the statutes of Omri are kept, and all the works of the house of Ahab, and ye walk in their counsels; that I should make thee a desolation, and the inhabitants thereof an hissing: therefore ye shall bear the reproach of my people.
Why does the Lord continually have controversy with Israel? No sacrifice of animals is good, and has not been accepted since the time of Micah. But why? Why does Israel still live in exile? The Lord didn't do it, the rabbis keep Israel in exile because the rabbis reject Jesus as Messiah, their own Messiah who came from them. The one their own scriptures testify of.
I will pray for Israel and the controversy to end, because the Lord doesn't keep people away from Him a lifetime, the Lord pleads with people, and He saves individuals now. I want all of Israel to be saved as the Scriptures say, that Jesus taught as well as the disciples and apostles. Jesus is the end of the controversy. Who is the Man who's name is The Rod?
The Bible says He will save His people from their sins, so come to the Lord and no longer be exiled from Him and His face and His presence.
@@emettorah1 Were you to honestly listen to what I said, you would realize I agree with you, up to the last sentence.
My wife is a messianic Jew and I can attest that this is 100% accurate
Celibacy.
I am 42. 27 years celibate.
I am of God, for God.
Baptized by God Himself when He came to me in His holy spirit.
The rebirth is the only Baptism that counts.
one of the or actually the first peoples as a whole who were to become christian and build there church were the Assyrians
Unleavened bread would have been eaten for a week before Passover?
"I'm israeli and I tell you that the way you pronounced the "Shma Israel
is perfect!!!!
THANK YOU! I've been working hard on pronunciation over the last 20 years. I had dubious distinction in 1990 of being hit on the back of the head by my Hebrew professor for being the only student in his long career to mispronounce EVERY word on the page of Hebrew I was reading. Now to fix my misspelling in this lecture. . .
23:00 talking about animal sacrifice, his dog starts barking
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
Very funny.
what is the da-duki? i cant find it? may the blessings of the lord be upon all who watch this video!!!
www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm
"Didache" (and thanks for providing the link, Fyre Fly)
+Jessica Burdge Were you blessed or informed after reading the Didache?
I'll say something about your pronunciation of "Shema". I don't know much of the Hebrew language but it's my understanding that the Hebrew language doesn't put the emphasis on the first syllable like English does and therefore, you're pronouncing it correctly.
protestant's lens, a lot of information is missing or omitted
This is a great lecture. It's refreshing to hear some common sense criticism of Bart Ehrman as well. Ehrman is ridiculously popular for someone who thesis is as sturdy as wet cardboard.
I just finished listening to Bart talk about Marcion's version of Luke where the "adoption" version of Jesus may appear. It's hard to listen to Ehrman because you have to pretend all the parts of the Gospel that demonstrates Jesus' divinity don't exists. So in Luke as Bart is talking I'm thinking about Luke 19 and the Parable of the Ten Minas. Marcion included this in his version of Luke. And Luke 19 clearly shows Jesus is explaining how he is the King and the King's return is Jesus returning on judgement day to save the Righteous.
I wish I could ask Bart if he knows any mortals that claim after they die they'll return to Earth and judge all of humanity. But I couldn't. ;-(
(Electricity free research home? How did you record this then?)
darkmath100 Batteries.
+darkmath100 Ehrman is a sad, confused apostate.
24:58 in second Baruch the angel tells us that the human city is not the Heavenly city.
God bless you sir, I am nothing but a Romish Popish Latin Papist heretic, please pray for me, the papist sinner.
Pray for me also, the penitent sinner.
Why do you call yourself that? Are you a Catholic?
Seems like B. Ehrman is well known by several here :) Well, his book on the new testament is found in my bookshelf too ;)
That's wonderful! I wish more would read his books so that we can have a real discussion of where things have gone in theology since the Tübingen School. There are roots to these debates, and it's a lot of fun to trace them.
as far as the Last Supper:
Passover is not a day it is an event between the eves. unleavened bread comes after as the Sun sets. it would not have been going into the High Sabbath (when ULB starts) until the next day.
Revelation 14:12
King James Version
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Who is this guy? Great stuff!
So what church should we be attending?
There were 12 Apostles.
They were sent out of Jerusalem.
Orthodox Christian Churches are in the Principalities.
Egypt
Greece
Rome
India
Spain
Syria
...and Antioch.
Most of these and thier descendants are still here.
Great series overall, but I’m afraid that I believe Doc has some problems with anachronism. For example, taking the Dura Europos church from the 3rd century and using it to interpret Acts 2, or the sayings of Clement of Alexandria to interpret female deacons’ roles in the first century.
No. You have a problm of not connecting the dots.
If a baptismal font and icons can be active in the Dura Europos backwater town, that IS an real indicator of just how developed the Christian way of Worship was a mere 80 years after the Resurrection.
It's obvious what form the Church took.
....it is the rest of the world that is pretending that Orthodox Christianity isn't real.
What are the written references of the early Church worship.
Did you listen to the lecture? It's in there.
Don't be lazy.
"so called" apostles....."So called" twelve? Why refer to the twelve apostles that way?
Read Eureka by John Thomas
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I note some attempts at discrediting Ehrmans arguments. You touch on maybe 10% of his argument
and bcoz non jews embraced christianity there was no point to observe Sabbath
AND many groups+sects formed
Jesus knew he is the temple, Jesus knew he is the kingdom, and that day he poured out himself to 120 in the upper room, know ye not that the kingdom is within you?
Was this history or a class on what orthodox church does if I knew that this brother was going to promote orthodox doctrine? I would’ve never clicked on this video.
Where is the Professor in this lecture?
The Essenes were a significant sect whose practice is said to be not founded on Jewish scripture but that of Egyptian mysticism, it was what became the earliest Christian sect until the early roman Church eradicated them.
The essenes disappeared on their own. Most likely to them not being Christian.
1 Cor. 14
I find it hard to believe that there were only 8,000 Christians at the turn of the century since there were 5,000 converts in just the first couple of days. So, you're suggesting that there were only 3,000 additional converts over the next 60+ years after the initial 5,000. Yet, the bible says that God increased their numbers daily.
There's just one issue that I wish the good doctor would correct. It's too bad he used Gary Wills for a representative of the Catholic position. If Wills actually believed the church didn't always have order, and that transubstantiation involved a chemical change, not only is that patently false, both positions have been formally condemned by the Catholic Church through the ages as heresy. If Wills believes and teaches this, he cannot be in communion with the Catholic Church. Orthodox theologians, clergy and scholars, such as Met Kallistos Ware, Olivier Clement, and others, would unanimously agree. In fact, at the Orthodox Synod of Jerusalem in the 1600s, transubstantiation is affirmed, using that very term. Unfortunately, many Orthodox have anti-Catholic bias. I'm not saying this professor does: I'm sure it's a sincere misunderstanding. God bless!
I don't think I actually used Wills as a "representative of the Catholic position." I very much agree with you that it is unfortunate that Wills himself touts his Catholicism. I'm very sympathetic to Catholic scholarship generally (it tends to be truly scholarly), and I apologize if it seemed that I was passing Wills' bizarre position as representative rather than the aberration it is.
Do jews want to associate with Christianity?
Maybe it's not necessarily anti semitism but mutual hostility
Did Jesus go through puberty?
The Ebionites were the actual Jewish followers.
Thank you so much for this!!!
As a Catholic, I have to say that your channel is CRIMINALLY unsubscribed!
Thank you for your kind words. I intend to aggregate more of my lectures in my own channel soon (November?). Hopefully I'll see you there. God bless.
As a Lutheran, I concur.
@@stevenmatthews1557, very interesting, thank you. Dr. Brant Pitre's work seems similar to yours. Have your paths crossed?
Thousands
WHY did the ark of the covenant have golden Cherabin on top of it...was this not a graven image!
I believe God instructed Moses how to make it.
These reflect the Cherubim placed at the entrance to the garden, guarding the dwelling place of God and serving as a reminder that sin had created a barrier between the Devine and the space we live in. The veil in the tabernacle and then in the temple also had these two cherubim. They served as reminders, not to be worshipped or even looked up to.
Christianity brought judiasm from a city God to a universal God.
I thought 'halal' in Hebrew was talking stink. Lol. It must be a slang usage.
Ehrmen's views on Mark are a bit more nuanced and malleable than glossed over here. His current views seem to have been developed beyond his textbook. This is wonderfully informative though it is shocking how dated such quality content is from a 2023 follower of the topics covered perspective.
Would be nice to provide your primary source evidence to back up your claims. That's the only way to establish credibility. Theological scholarship is only that, but not allowed in a court of law. Primary source historical evidence for proof of performance is. Do you have that primary source evidence ?
Yes. Just in the first few minutes, as soon as he starts quoting a source as suggesting that there were 8,000 Christians at the end of the first century, alarm bells started going off in my head about basic scholarship. The Book of Acts describes thousands of converts in the first days of the Church in Jerusalem, and by the end of the New Testament period, there are letters to numerous churches, including non-canonical letters that seem very surprising if all those cities and the region of Galatia together account for just a few more believers than there were in Jerusalem at the beginning. If the Apostles dispersed at all as stories have indicated (e.g., Thomas to India), that seems an improbable conclusion even if growth was very modest.
Cf. Rodney Stark's work. Using numbers from the Book of Acts (claims, really) is not particularly historical. Inflated numbers are a hallmark of most classical literature, and the New Testament is no exception.
REMEMBER: This is just a university LECTURE. Primary sources are what class time is for. I'm not trying to convince the general public of anything. You're listening in on a larger class.
Perhaps some of us are unaware that our family history has nothing to do with anyone else but Israelites ie Black people. When are white people going to tell us their history?
So the Eastern Orthodox church looks quite similar to the early church?
@Roman How do you know this? (This is a real question ) Thxs
@@aaronbaraiya3692 I think Roman has taken things a bit in the wrong direction - yes, the similarities are very strong. It's worth investigating further, I always tell my students.
Steve Matthews I’m not a traditionalist, but I do find without some kind of organization, structure and laity the church or believers fall away. Hypocrisy still blinds the eyes of the children. Unfortunately I’m dealing with this in my own children. Ugh😟
I accidentally came across this teaching and was inspired. Do you feel there’s a Method to developing a mindfulness towards God then a eventual picking up the faith. I’ve recently come out of believing God chooses only the few. That makes God an unrighteous judge. God has put both heaven and hell before us. Why man thinks God is unable or unwilling to save everyone is beyond me. But I do believe God is glorified either way. Choose to follow flesh in selfishness go to hell. Choose to put off self and become singleminded in God go to heaven. I’m just wondering where does tradition become dogma? And where does it lead, as shadow yet, to Being Christ Ambassadors? Your thoughts? Email me if time permits. I respect your input. Eagleswings1231@aol.com
There are some similarities but overall no, the eastern orthodox church does not reflect the early church. All orthodox churches are highly racist and ethnonationalist that dont really care about christ or spreading the gospel to all nations. Its merely a social cultural club.