Horton, Meyer, Sproul, Sproul Jr., and Tackett: Question & Answers #2
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- Michael Horton, Stephen Meyer, R.C. Sproul, R.C. Sproul Jr. and Del Tackett answer questions regarding the Christian mind, science, old and new earth, and more.
Questions:
Does teaching a variety of scientific theories hinder students? (0:00)
Can you explain the difference between presuppositional and classical apologetics? (04:47)
How do we explain why classical apologetics is not equated with rationalism? (09:50)
Do you have any suggestions for Christians who attend a secular college or university in regards to ways of avoiding indoctrination? (11:56)
The state of education of children has deteriorated in terms of a biblical worldview. Where do we go from here in the family and in the church? (25:49)
What can the local church do to come alongside of families and equip them, to repair the ruins of education? (32:24)
Does the expression "doctrine divides" come out of anti-intellectualism? (36:45)
How do you approach the question of the age of the universe? (42:09)
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It's a great blessing to listen to wisdom from these great men of God. :)
Meyer and Sproul have my support
So right! Our kids are already lost when Genesis is compromised. I remember being a 16 year old kid in science class - from an unbelieving family - and thinking how can any of this have happened by “accident”? If you see it, you see it. Everything screams the existence of God. I’ve never needed to doubt He is creator. It took me longer to become aware that His Son is the Way. Amen. Bo Adonai. Come Lord Yeshua.
"how can any of this have happened by “accident”? If you see it, you see it. Everything screams the existence of God."
Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, appeal to common sense, or the divine fallacy, is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine.
@@derhafiThis person was using colloquial language and not making a formal claim. Know the difference. That's your first mistake. If you would like to engage in a theist/atheist worldview debate, let's tango and offer up your best defense...cuz this is the end of innocence (had to do it)
I pray that I can have as sharp a mind as RC when I am that age. God has truly blessed that man....to take nothing away from the rest of the panel, please. The trouble is that I'm already behind at the age that I am. LOL.
We're all behind.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
He alone makes us ahead.
We are but empty vessels brother
have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?
He is exceptionally intelligent. He remembers things so well.
I agree. RC was so amazing. His mind was so sharp.
It's important to hear the argument of the opposition. We should be able to defend what we believe and why we believe it, following the evidence wherever it leads. This includes the strengths and yes, the weaknesses our our argument and the arguments of our opposition.
These Q & A's are fantastic 💪🏼🙏🏼
have you ever listened to actual scientists discuss science? You might like it!
Watching this in 5.12.20 so I know I'm late on the comment board, and I'm a new to the reformed circle. Some would say I'm becoming reformed😁 (shoutout to R.C)... But I have to say, that towards the end of this Q & A was probably one of my favorite. And I've gotten the chance to watched many of Ligonier and 'Grace To You' Q & A videos
Keep watching, and read the Bible as much as you can. God bless you in Christ Jesus.
Thanks Gentlemen for such a well presented and consistent discussion. Perhaps you have once read about "taking the battle to the gate". I found it very significant that the Gentlemen in the centre held to the notions that of the importance of recognition of the fall. The two Gentlemen to his left spoke about the importance and significance of the evidence of creation within and against the barrage of secular naturalism. The Gentlemen to his right stressed the significance of integrity of Gods truth and reasons to defend it. Collectively this was the gates defended perfectly. What a Unison of thought and revelation of where the battle is. Good Grace Chaps very enlightened.
My GOD can do anything, and everything and do all things in His way and time,
and that is why He is MY God.
I have given my grandchildren Bibles that are commentary, AND, that have my own
comments written in them - progressively - as I myself have grown in The Word
to a better understanding threw guidance, teaching, and guardianshjp of The
Holy Spirit.
Awesome, we young folk can gain much from your wisdom
Why is the Bible called Holy Bible?
@@keithdoeskungfu is Jahwe Jesus?
Boy , things got complicated at the end . I didn't think this would end up being an exploration of counseling . The fact is that framework hypothesis undermines the historical Adam in a young 24 year old seminary student .
I started my Christian life not believing Genesis as written.
I could not join my old earth education with the plain reading of Genesis.
It was 7 years later that I was introduced to the theories involved with creation ministry scientists.
Catastrophism versus Uniformitarianism is the main debate.
I wish more discussions would happen concerning this topic.
Wow, EXCELLENT discussion.
Please enter Portuguese subtitles. I would love to watch these discussions. if possible please.
Horton , so for 4000 years the church never understood framework position but the establishment of the calendar was understood by the brickmasons that were brought out of Egypt . I'm sure they weren't discussing the analogical , framework and day age views of creation but understood words concretely . This discussion should have been about how to understand language and concepts .
Horton is neo-orthodox.
Awesome
Anyone else start these videos and have to rewatch the first 30 minutes because of comment reading?
why is it so difficult for everybody to say, 'I don't know?'
Dr. Robert Morey has an excellent book titled: The Bible, Natural Theology, and Natural Law: Conflict or Compromise
an excellent work that combats Sproul's alignment with Aquinis
ADAM JONES ,DR MOREY. DR. MOREY. WOW WOW ...WOW YES SIR. SO MISS HIM , MENTORED BY DR WALTER MARTIN.. MAY YOUR TRIBE INCREASE
The camaraderie between young earthers and old Earthers appears to be a thin veneer
It's interesting that we are still debating the existence of God.
I wonder if we will ever finish.
The idea that the 2nd law of thermodynamics was not applicable before the fall is pure speculation.
And exactly those kinds of speculations divide us. And then he wonders why the church is divided!
Sproul is right to admit he doesn't know the answer and that the question is not of a vital importance.
See Ferguson, Godfrey, Lawson, & Sproul
"I strive to know only this, Jesus Christ, and Him crucified..."
Amen!
Have you tried reading books?
I wonder why I am still here at age 92 ?
I hope you're still considering these discussions at age 93!! God bless you sir
God
To worship Christ
You never stop learning from the Lord. Are you still here at 94?
I am grateful for great teachers such as Sproul. I love knowing the truth of Creation, and being able to destroy evolutionary theory by presenting truth of Scripture. I am not interested in a secular humanist point of view, it is not based on science, it is based on wishful thinking.
If you are correct about secular humanism, being wishful thinking, then it has an equal footing to the Bible and god. In which case, thank you, because secular humanism will outlast both of those and prove right.
have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?
I really wish I had not sent my children to university.
Makes Christian Universities look really good these days, doesn't it? What a shame that "higher education" has sunk so low.
I think Dr. Sproul has a legitimate point for saying that the Bible does not give us a date. He did not say that he does not believe in creation. And I agree with him that clearly the Bible nowhere clearly teaches a young earth/universe.
have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?
So God had billions of years of death and suffering prior to Adam and Eve ... and called it "good"? What kind of god are you worshiping there, bud, because it ain't the God of Abraham. Or are you suggesting that Adam and Eve's fall caused those billions of years of death ... retroactively? Because that's as silly a claim as the first.
You need to check out "Answers in Genesis", both the channel here on RUclips as well as the website. Not only do they teach (and PROVE) that the concept of deep time is unbiblical to the extreme, but that it's also unscientific. They also emphasize the importance of getting Genesis RIGHT.
P.S. Just a quick teaser: there was a lava flow in 1986 that was a secondary eruption of Mount St. Helens. Geologists observed this flow, and then ten years later did radiometric dating on the igneous rock layer left behind. The results ranged from several hundred thousand to millions of years old ... a rock layer observationally KNOWN to have been less than a decade old.
A big reason that many young girls lose their faith in college can start with the abuse at home. Frustrated mothers and fathers can inflict great harm. If your parents never read the Word at home, it is a recipe for spiritual disaster. Teenage years have to be met with great love of the Word and warning young adults of the many wiles of the enemy. Narcissist parents that are envious of their children's success can lead them straight into the arms of false love.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT... NOW TEACH THIS WISDOM TO THE NEW MAJORITY LEADERS IN THE HOUSE .
have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?
After God’s creation, He called it very good! Why would death which is not good be evident in the the dead fossils? With this evidence I go with the young earth.
I’m neither way but it’s a dangerous thing to say we should just let the scientists tell us the age of the rocks because then you are just going along with mostly non Christian secular science because it says so, I’m interested in what Dell has to say and both understandings need to be taught in church at school as well as evolutionary understandings, the problem is that the govt has jumped in via a secular route and said this is truth and this isn’t permissible and that’s no good ) we alllllll need to be heard and let the chips fall where they may on this, i don’t believe it’s a salvation issue but I’m not going to man handled Into a position via the pulpit or principals either way !! 🙏✝️
If God create everything, how come that He picked up only the Jewish to share His words?
If Noah’s flood was a real catastrophic global flood, then the creation account is a given
I look to C S Lewis for confirmation of GOD !
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made.
He said to the woman, “Did God actually say…
NO NO NO NO They NEVER started, not that they lost it before they arrived at college!
That’s where we fail, not only our children but we fail our Father in Heaven when we don’t raise our children in the admonition and the relationship with with the Lord!
Creationist Timeline of the Mesozoic era:
Triassic Age: December 3000BC
Jurassic Age: April 3000BC
Cretaceous Age: September 3000 BC
Haha.....nice one.
I don’t see how or why a Calvinist would disagree with presuppositionalism
Del Tackett expresses his concern about using time, i.e. huge leaps of time, as an argument that "given enough time" people use THAT to explain away any need for God the Creator, chalking it up to a materialistic explanation for life. BUT that does NOT work. The probabilities are statistically absurd. But this is the false presupposition that many creationists implicitly accepted as the main challenge to God the Creator, i.e. the enemy was identified as TIME and the attack by creationists focused on that: TIIME. And many still do so.
Meyer or Meyers?
The controversy is not between intelligent design and evolution, the controversy is an old one: between religion and science
It's our own fault. Should have never let the village raise our kids.
Dawkins has just been on Australian news saying differential that evolution is the only scientific evidence based explanation.
Could you please reply scientific proof for the case against his opinion.
They reject the light of truth, because their deeds are evil...
Grow up you bigoted fool.
@@mcmanustony I think he’s just paraphrasing John 3:19.
@@n.e.parkman2326 which prevents him being a bigoted fool, how?
@@mcmanustony Are you angry at him? Why?
@@n.e.parkman2326 Angry at whom?
Fallacy of asserting the consequent.
Listening to RC Sproul, around the 10 minute mark and forward, reminded me of the reason why I DIDN'T study Philosophy in College. BORING!!
Did this comment achieve anything at all?.....
@@zzzzz77771 It made me think we all think differently. I wish I had studied philosophy.
Soooo----God sacrificed himself to himself inorder to justafie himself ????
chales dor He sent his Son to earth in the form of human flesh (the flesh of the son of man who is named Jesus and who was born of a virgin named Mary. ) This son of man was born to be the Lamb of God, the sinless Lamb, who was born for the sole purpose of bearing OUR sin and DYING IN OUR STEAD, thereby SATISFYING the HOLY WRATH OF GOD, and allowing us an avenue for restoration and peace with A HOLY, HOLY, HOLY GOD. So God, who cannot deny his own HOLY nature demands justice of punishment for the sinful human race who entirely and inclusively (with the exception of Jesus,) sins against him, has in his Sovereignty provided a way to redeem a people for himself without compromising his nature and his decrees. So God created us for His own glory. He provided a fitting sacrifice: the sinless Lamb, i.e.: Jesus, to bear our sins, die in our stead, satisfying Gods HOLINESS, and his HOLY WRATH ON SIN, and provides an avenue of restoration through, AND ONLY THROUGH, JESUS CHRIST, AND HIS SHED BLOOD FOR OUR SINS. If we try to come to God any other way, we are on a dead-end road!!! Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me!" John 14:6. All who come must come in faith, believing the he is who he said he was, and in repentance of their sin... meaning with a humble and repentant and reverent heart!
to justify those who believe, to 'glorify' himself.
Not quite. The point is to show the sacrificial love of God, to prove His greatness and worthiness of praise and worship .
Rather than dictate "WORSHIP ME!" from a distant place, he set up a world of struggle and came and struggle with us, and died in the most hideous way we could understand in a world we understand..this way, we willingly praise Him and worship Him for who He is and what He did for us, its the gesture, the show of affection and willingness to love us despite our problems which put us in conflict with Him.
I hope this helps.
@@zzzzz77771 Who was God proving his worthiness to?
Without the Bible there is no Christianity left.
So what?
@@derhafi Scientism is a religious belief.
@@ThomasCranmer1959 "Scientism " is a nonsesensical term. Only useful to identify the wilfully ignorant and scientifically illiterate, like you.
So Ligonier has taken down all their RC Jr sermons? That's at least a step in the right direction. But Ligonier also needs to edit RC Jr out of these Q&A videos. It just makes for really bad optics keeping him in. Oh, and Ligonier needs to stop paying RC Jr a six-figure salary for doing diddly squat as an independent contractor. Time to kick him off the Ligonier Sproul Family Gravy Train for good!
What did he do?
@@Minotaur-ey2lg Problematic trying to itemize here since Ligonier is filtering all the keywords dealing with his many scandals. They're trying to conceal it all just like they concealed the real reasons he "resigned" (it was for much more than just "personal reasons"). Since his so-called resignation he's even gone much further off the rails. You can find all the details at the Spinderella Sproul blog.
@@cheapscott8631 I'm sorry to hear that. Too often we hear that the offspring of a great Christian goes astray and dishonors the Godly heritage that could saved them from a life spiritual failure.
You sound like you're in the wrong conference being so critical of RC's son. This is not a debate of ordinary men. These men study God's word.
This is not Facebook! Im not sure how your comments did not get erased.
JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED!
@@cheryladams9261 I'm not judging RC Jr merely because he's a sinful man. I'm calling him out because even though his life is one of perpetual scandals and he's been defrocked from the ministry he continues masquerading as a pastor. And yes, it absolutely is the place of believers to judge those who profess the name of Christ if they live as reprobates. "For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?" 1 Cor 5:12
Let's teach the controversy; let's teach the stork theory of reproduction.
lol
Sproul says natural revelation trumps special revelation????
To many big word's, gives me a headache.
Tackett is worth listening to, I wouldn’t let Meyer near young minds.
would you care to explain why? Just curious
@@alpinewonders Because he is a charlatan.
Mr. Myers, is there any scientific evidence that the Earth is young? You act as though there is none when there is plenty.
"Intelligent Design research community"- hahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
The problem I have with the young earth proponents (such as Answers in Genesis), is that they always start with the Word of God as being literal, and then all of their science is subservient to this interpretation. Their science is circular and not science. There is another possibility to consider. For example, the writer of Genesis 1 had an earth centric view. Everything was created around the earth, not the earth as part of a huge universe. It is possible that we are over interpreting an ancient text as a science text, whereas, the broad message is, in the beginning God created. The days are then used as literary devices in an age where people didn't read or write. However, i recognize there is a problem in this view, when we come to Genesis 3 from a theological perspective. But i decided 20 years ago, that I was not going to allow what is plainly a scientific reality to be overruled by the Bible, because to do this is to ignore a physical reality. If we could wind back the universe day by day, we would finally get back to the creation of the Universe. Did it happen in 6 days? I don't think so. Is the earth young? Having worked with a geologist for a number of years I can see that it is not. My conclusion is that we need a new interpretation of Genesis 1 -3 that is less literal, but still fundamentally true. It is better to see Genesis 1-3 as polemic against the prevailing views of poly theism, and the nature of man. I would concur with Stephen Meyer, the earth is old, but mankind is likely young, but I think evolution is fundamentally flawed (so i am not a theistic evolutionist that believed God somehow guided evolution). I think unless we are able to come to a new interpretation if Genesis 1-3 (i.e. that does not infer young earth), then we will continue to lose young people because we are not in sync with the reality of the physical universe. One of my employees is in this category. He sees a very big disconnect betweeen the reality of the physical universe and Genesis 1,2. I think it is also invalid to over interpret the idea of 'natural revelation' also. I am sure no one will read this, but just thought I would air my thoughts to myself.
Or, we can believe God who cannot lie! Faith is fundamentally epistemological. It is how we know truth. "Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, proof of things not seen. For by this, the elders obtained approval. By faith we understand that the universe has been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen has not been made out of things which are visible." (Hebrews 11:1,2) You are giving way too much credit to the epistemology of unbelief, which is "leaning on your own understanding." "When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took some of its fruit, and ate. Then she gave some to her husband with her, and he ate it, too." (Genesis 3:6) It is always Satan's strategy to say: "Has God really said..." Get people to question God's word and Christianity devolves into irrelevancy. The big bang, evolution, and old earth whatever are creation myths for fools.
I’m glad Jesus came and demonstrated the “scientifically” impossible. Treating the Word as some sort of muse is not wise. His name, I AM!
Why the God of the Bible?
Why is not a hindu God or Allah?
Couldn’t you stop just at the word God?
That is very pervers, racial dangerous claims that you bring here 🤔
Science is mutable and never arrives at the truth.
LIterally all we know about nature, we know thanks to science.
@@derhafi Science literally has its roots in the Christian worldview. Natural revelation is one way God has revealed Himself. Most of the earliest scientists were theists investigating the observable universe.
@@derhafi God knows everything. If know anything that is true, God knew it before you did. What is 2+2=4?
@@ThomasCranmer1959 No proposed God ever had a demonsrable correaltion with reality.
We have a name for things that only exist in the mnds of those who believe in them...fiction.
2+2 was 4 long before your God was invented.
@@ThomasCranmer1959 "Science literally has its roots in the Christian worldview" Nonsene.
"Natural revelation is one way God has revealed Himself" At hoc interpretatrions of facts about the naturasl world are no "divine" revelations. They are a display of your amysmal epistomological skills.
"Most of the earliest scientists were theists" So what?
Young earth creationists exist so scientologists have someone to laugh at.
I don't think prayer is an activity worth bragging about or anything magical happens from it.
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So Meyer believes we evolved? That's disappointing to hear. Also old earth theory rules out God's redemption for man and also makes out Jesus and Paul were mistaken because they both spoke of Adam and Eve and creation.
Stephen Meyer absolutely does not subscribe to the theory of evolution. He's one of its foremost critics and an outspoken proponent of the theory of intelligent design. One of its primary thinkers and advocates, in fact.
Yes, Meyer forgets that he is supposed to believe in a young earth. He constantly makes mistakes in his arguments, and refers to things that happened millions of years ago. Do you think this might be because he doesn't actually believe what he's spouting?
@@happilyeggs4627 it doesn't seem like you listened to this message since Meyer expressed an old earth, and Sproul allowed for it as well. (Not Junior
Sproul). The thrust of the subject was against your idea of 'suppose to' among Christians. There's no contradiction if you allow for telescoping of geneologies, as is done elsewhere in scripture. This way Adam and Eve may have lived even 300,000 years ago. The Fall is secure. Natural Revelation matches Special Revelation.
@@johnvirgilio5323 Except a population of two humans would lead to massive inbreeding, and death of the species. You need to evolve as a group, to have a large enough population for viable breeding purposes. If you have any doubts on the veracity of my claim, I would point you in the direction of Gregor Johann Mendel. His research would no doubt surprise you. Chiefly because he was a Catholic monk, and an abbot of a monastery no less, who performed the early genetic experiments, in the latter half of 1800s, about 1856 and onwards
Nonetheless you may be right on your first point. I did say that Meyer forgot about a young earth. Apologies to you, and anyone else, who was upset at my terrible and offensive mistake. I was under the impression, as he worked for the Discovery Institute, he held their views. Now, you have had your apology and a correction, and some valuable information. I hope you are satisfied.
@@happilyeggs4627 I'm satisfied sure. So, I don't have a problem with the children of Adam and Eve, after being booted from the garden for disobedience, mixing with others. Perhaps 700,000 years or more in the past. I believe in this way we all could be descended from them. Now, as the representative of mankind, Adam proved selfish, like the rest of us since, not ready. Leaving us clothed in Cattleskins by God outside of the garden of testing. Outside the garden but not outside of hope. Somewhat similar to what William Lane Craig has recently spoken about.
Sproul never did know what he was on about.
the earth it's flat
They're Alive! I wish someone reputable in the evangelical movement would way that though! The argument for flat earth is soooo intriguing. I first fell into the flat earth stuff by just curiosity. But idk i'm slowly becoming a supporter.
Tori Ellise flat earth theory is a trap set by atheists in their efforts to discredit and embarrass Christians. DON’T fall for it!!
No, I've seen mountains and hills. The earth is definitely contoured. Oh, and valleys. I'm sure there are bits that are flat. I've visited graveyards and graves are often flat, but not always level. Roads, modern roads, are never flat, They are crowned to allow rain to run off. Really, you are mostly wrong. The earth is probably 95% contoured.
@@happilyeggs4627 The water is level. For hundreds of miles. As far as any optical device can see. 70% of the earth is covered by water. It should have an observable curve in just 5 or 6 miles. That curve is never seen.
@@billhesford6098 You are wrong. There are waves. The sea is never flat. Also the moon pulls the sea toward it. There is always a swell of water towards the moon. This is called the moving of the tides. As the moon passes overhead it draws the water closer by a few feet. this is flow. Then as the moon goes on it's way the sea returns to normal, the ebb. Thus the tide is constantly on the move around the planet. Gravity is the mechanism by which this works. The moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth. This is just enough to make the waters swell up. Gravity is also the means by which planets and moons are formed and take the shape of spheres. If an object has enough gravity it will form itself into a ball naturally. The moon being in an elliptical orbit has periods when it is closer to earth. This is when we receive the greatest effect of the moons gravity, thus the highest tides. Please don't fall for the flat earth trap as Stephen Otto warned you. You just make Christians sound as if they are dumb.
Sproul was a fideist.
Horton thinks the Bible is an inspired myth.
Meyer would know about legal cases. He ran away from the Dover case. He was supposed to give evidence on behalf of intelligent design. He realised he would be uncovered and publicly decried as a fraud, and so, despite being listed to testify, declined. He left Behe to carry the can and be shown to be a fraud. Meyer managed to escape with his reputation untarnished, simply because he was too cowardly to face the court.
Evolution is nonsense and God exists and you know it. Please repent and do not perish in your sin
@@PlavitPOi90 Thank you for considering the immortal soul I do not possess. I have become an apatheist anyway. An apatheist is someone who doesn't care whether a god exists or not, and if he does exist would not worship him anyway. If he does exist he wants us to have free will. Under those conditions I will refuse to go to hell or heaven. I wish to be left alone when I die.
@@happilyeggs4627 I don't think you can be apathetic. You don't care if you go to hell? You should repent and worship God, because of who he is, because of his loving sacrifice. God cannot let you die, he has to punish the atrocious sins you commit, just as I mine. He offers you free grace and forgiveness and if you end up in hell, it is all on you. Please consider it and come to a saving faith in God
@@PlavitPOi90 He will care when he gets there. Why does someone like this come to a site like this if he really cares not a whit? Feigned indifference worked well for the ostrich until the lion pounced.
@@PlavitPOi90 Just another necessary belief for one who wants to live a pagan worldview.
It's 2019 now and Christians are deserting evidentialism, and other types of apologetics, in favour of presuppositionalism. So, it seems as though Christian "science" has shat the pot. Understandable really because ID, and irreducible complexity, have constantly been embarrassed by real science. This has forced the retreat of Christianity to the realm of the circular argument. This is the best place for it. Hopefully it will an ever decreasing circularity, whereby it will eventually disappear up it's own arse.
So-called real science has never seen one piece of evidence that is not open to endless conjecture. It is even touted as one of its strengths - the ability to not be dogmatically locked. Always changing and never arriving at truth.
The real reason is because idiots like you are not worth the extended effort in trying to convince them of their celestial importance. There's no need to further attempt to inspire once you have examined the abundance of evidence supporting theism. It is more relevant to focus on the stupidity of your flawed reasoning and showing the inability of explaining your own "star dust, ape like" existence!....hahahaha
@@spartacusantipas4580 I'd say it's more because keeping up with the ever changing vain imaginings of damned men to attempt to break through the illusions held by the narcissistic parrots who memorize them would take too much time away from studying the infallible Holy Word of God. The Bible is sufficient to save those who will be saved since we know...
Romans 1:18
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;"
Romans 1:19
"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them."
Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Romans 1:21
"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."
Romans 1:22
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"
Romans 1:23
"And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."
Romans summed this situation up very well. God bless you, and may the peace and joy of Christ Jesus be upon you every day.
There is no Satan.