Never noticed how much Gram Grace can grind you down, but with all these draws and that constant 4 attack pressure I wonder if it won't be considered one of the better Keter decks at least.
Gramgrace does run into deckout issues when going into the grind game, you burn through your deck at an absurdly fast rate and that's with just the support available in DD.
3rd Game was PURE content great fight 👏🏾👏🏾 Kheios just needs more love Gram Grace suprised me though very powerful when rushing especially if no defensive triggets come out
Filip you already stated on your dear days campaign that you would rather deal with Alex's black magic than getting AI sacked and Alex opened the door. Yeah I do believe kheios needs some form of hand support so that it isn't left to very risky scenarios. Gram grace is fine ....obviously hehe. Glad to see more fight videos and will be on the lookout for the next keep up the good work guys.
What if there was a kheios order that had “play this with sb1. For each card with a different card name in your soul your vanguard gets 1000 power. If you have ten or more cards with different card names in your soul, you get critical+1
That was an awesome showcase of the new releases :) my buddy loves using Kheios and I think he'll be playtesting with the new supports. I hope ya'll update the decklists soon. 🤘 Stay awesome 😎
The problem with kheios is there really isn’t any reason to build up soul of different cards other than to inconvenience urself. Match that wit the bad card advantage I feel like he will always be worse baro
@@thatboymino I wasn’t aware that a +1 to cards and +1 to soul with selection was bad. I don’t think Kheios is on the level of Baro right now, but I do think it’s on the tier 2 of dark states. Best Dark States decks are definitely Baro and Bruce, but stuff like Greedon, Kheios, and Drajeweled is probably after that.
so that gramgrace promo if you put it into the soul it gets to trigger to give the power and drive even though its no longer on back row RC? is it because its skill is on standby or something like that?
Yes, when the end of battle happenes it activates both GGs and the promos AUTo abilities (end of battle is those auto ability activation condition) After and ability is activated it goes on standby for it to be executed , the player then has the option of activating any of the abilities in any order, so in this case GG first and the even though the promo isn’t on the board you can pay the cost and execute it ability as it has already been activated Does that make sense?
@@TopDeckHeroes yeah it does. This game i a lot more forgiving than yugioh lol, if anything is in the wrong place during that game you miss timings completely. Pretty cool interaction though.
I wanna ask something, after ACT called Fernbael to back row center RC and attack.. CAN after Fernbael battled using his skill to SB1 and I discard Esalta TO RESTAND Fernbael once more time and i didnt use GramGrace 3th skills 1st?? Or does GramGrace 3th skill means after Fernbael battle MUST go to soul?
[AUTO](VC):At the end of the battle your back row center rear-guard attacked, put that unit into soul, and draw a card. The ability has no “may”, “1/turn” or a “cost” therefore it is a mandatory AUTO ability that has to be done if the condition (in this case “At the end of the battle your back row center rear-guard attacked”) is met.
@@pt3704 hey, set 6 Greedon is a rogue deck that people need to respect. It’s topped in tournaments. It doesn’t top often, which is why it’s rogue and not high tier, but it tops sometimes, so evidently it’s a deck that needs to be respected.
Out of all the glitters that got supported. Kheios still the shi*tiest one. Everyone got a lot of good stuff and kheios got like...the bare minimum, the gr1 mikani is shit af instead of filling the field its just gonna go to soul and its never gonna get sent out again. Kheios shouldve been cb1 put 1 card to soul not discard, the discard is the most dumbest thing ever
Man i feel sad watching Kheios, so many resources used, for such a meager reward, he also has zero card advantage so he's always on no hand. Don't see him being useful anytime soon, unless they make him a new G3 vanguard that does something worthwhile when hitting the highlander condition
If you really think thats card advantage, I’m sorry to burst your bubble but while on paper it seems like it, in practice it hurts you more times then it actually gives you any advantage, and thats not advantage, MAYBE a card on board and a filter in hand is not worth when your hand size is nonexistent and any ditch hurts to gamble, good example in the video where best call scenario was call a heal to board, that wasn’t advantages, that was desperate and a minus and no better option
@@TopDeckHeroes let’s do the math: Discard in hand: - 1. Look at top 3: +1 to hand, +1 to board, +1 to soul. -1 to hand and +1 to hand cancel. So you’re left with: +1 to board, +1 to soul. Extra soul isn’t card advantage, but an extra card to board is card advantage. I also think you’re exaggerating on how often all of your options are bad. The Law of large numbers implies that sometimes you’ll have outliers (nothing goes right or nothing goes wrong), but it averages out in the end, and most of the time it’ll be normal. We also, as humans, tend to forget about the average and exaggerate outliers. The fact that black magic and jokes like that are common on this channel demonstrates that very well. If you were to pay someone try to go back and run the numbers, it would come out rather boring as far as actual trends in luck. So I guess what I’m saying is that, with what I know about statistics and human psychology, I don’t buy what you’re saying about it hurting more often in practice. The ability will, most of the time, be just fine. Don’t get me wrong though, none of this is to say I don’t like you or your channel. This is just me taking card games way too seriously 😅😝
@@jacobjensen7704 the thing is, boyo, what the vg does is not nearly enough to compete against other decks that, consuming less resources and not commiting to a dumb highlander gimmick, do far more and obtain far more advantage on hand, board or soul. You saw the games, friend, Kheios competes against MLB for worst deck in the format
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Philip: "Kheios is not a deck, it is a mood..."
Alex: "I noticed... anyway... double crit"
“Alex and Mika flipping double crit”
Philip: And I took that personally
Ngl a Kheios support that said draw 1 for every 3 different card names in soul, would actually be perfect for him.
Never noticed how much Gram Grace can grind you down, but with all these draws and that constant 4 attack pressure I wonder if it won't be considered one of the better Keter decks at least.
We'll see when people in JP start using it irl due to those Juicy FFRs
Gramgrace does run into deckout issues when going into the grind game, you burn through your deck at an absurdly fast rate and that's with just the support available in DD.
The pain from D Days is carrying over. You can see it in Filip's eyes.
I know that from playing cpu battles and I still small increased deck.
3rd Game was PURE content great fight 👏🏾👏🏾 Kheios just needs more love Gram Grace suprised me though very powerful when rushing especially if no defensive triggets come out
Filip you already stated on your dear days campaign that you would rather deal with Alex's black magic than getting AI sacked and Alex opened the door. Yeah I do believe kheios needs some form of hand support so that it isn't left to very risky scenarios. Gram grace is fine ....obviously hehe. Glad to see more fight videos and will be on the lookout for the next keep up the good work guys.
What if there was a kheios order that had “play this with sb1. For each card with a different card name in your soul your vanguard gets 1000 power. If you have ten or more cards with different card names in your soul, you get critical+1
First Mika then more black magic what a day.
Truly the embodiment of kheios
"Oh btw this is final turn"
My mind like, Music changes and final turn is on the screen
Using half of this next time!
That was an awesome showcase of the new releases :) my buddy loves using Kheios and I think he'll be playtesting with the new supports. I hope ya'll update the decklists soon. 🤘 Stay awesome 😎
In the intro alone I can see he is not happy with his support lol
You have me on some copium for Kheios. Deck seems way more consistent now, time to pray for some draw power in the deck
Feels like Kheios got a lot stronger with Mikani. But, I still think it's a weaker Baro tho. Unless, Kheios gets something to increase the hand size.
Kheios’s own effect can plus you.
@@jacobjensen7704 It's still not enough tho.
@@jacobjensen7704 kheios effect sorta sucks tho
The problem with kheios is there really isn’t any reason to build up soul of different cards other than to inconvenience urself. Match that wit the bad card advantage I feel like he will always be worse baro
@@thatboymino I wasn’t aware that a +1 to cards and +1 to soul with selection was bad.
I don’t think Kheios is on the level of Baro right now, but I do think it’s on the tier 2 of dark states. Best Dark States decks are definitely Baro and Bruce, but stuff like Greedon, Kheios, and Drajeweled is probably after that.
so that gramgrace promo if you put it into the soul it gets to trigger to give the power and drive even though its no longer on back row RC? is it because its skill is on standby or something like that?
Yes, when the end of battle happenes it activates both GGs and the promos AUTo abilities (end of battle is those auto ability activation condition)
After and ability is activated it goes on standby for it to be executed , the player then has the option of activating any of the abilities in any order, so in this case GG first and the even though the promo isn’t on the board you can pay the cost and execute it ability as it has already been activated
Does that make sense?
@@TopDeckHeroes yeah it does. This game i a lot more forgiving than yugioh lol, if anything is in the wrong place during that game you miss timings completely. Pretty cool interaction though.
May I know the list for Gramgrace? Great Video!
I wanna ask something, after ACT called Fernbael to back row center RC and attack.. CAN after Fernbael battled using his skill to SB1 and I discard Esalta TO RESTAND Fernbael once more time and i didnt use GramGrace 3th skills 1st?? Or does GramGrace 3th skill means after Fernbael battle MUST go to soul?
[AUTO](VC):At the end of the battle your back row center rear-guard attacked, put that unit into soul, and draw a card.
The ability has no “may”, “1/turn” or a “cost” therefore it is a mandatory AUTO ability that has to be done if the condition (in this case “At the end of the battle your back row center rear-guard attacked”) is met.
Black magic has blessed double critical haha
That g2 Kheios should have had a safety measure for Orders being SC'd ):
Especially if their main 3 cards to support the deck are 2/3 orders
@@TopDeckHeroes the sad days man 😞
I feel so bad for filip
First hour squad!! Do you guys post your deck lists? Looking for ideas for DD
They normally put the deck lists in the description
Hey he proved me right by stating that!
New Mikani is amazing for the deck. Kheios seems as respectable as Greedom after set 8.
That really isn't saying much tbh. Assuming you mean set 6 Greedon.
@@pt3704 hey, set 6 Greedon is a rogue deck that people need to respect. It’s topped in tournaments. It doesn’t top often, which is why it’s rogue and not high tier, but it tops sometimes, so evidently it’s a deck that needs to be respected.
@@jacobjensen7704 In set 6 meta I'd believe it. But against the likes of Youthberk and Chronojet? Good. Luck.
Give Gramgrace a proper ride deck so it isn't stuck with Blaster stuff.
the starter deck gives us a decent ride line but its still not his sadnesssss
Out of all the glitters that got supported. Kheios still the shi*tiest one. Everyone got a lot of good stuff and kheios got like...the bare minimum, the gr1 mikani is shit af instead of filling the field its just gonna go to soul and its never gonna get sent out again. Kheios shouldve been cb1 put 1 card to soul not discard, the discard is the most dumbest thing ever
Truth
Man i feel sad watching Kheios, so many resources used, for such a meager reward, he also has zero card advantage so he's always on no hand. Don't see him being useful anytime soon, unless they make him a new G3 vanguard that does something worthwhile when hitting the highlander condition
Kheios literally has card advantage on his card. His first effect is a raw +1 in cards and +1 in soul.
If you really think thats card advantage, I’m sorry to burst your bubble but while on paper it seems like it, in practice it hurts you more times then it actually gives you any advantage, and thats not advantage, MAYBE a card on board and a filter in hand is not worth when your hand size is nonexistent and any ditch hurts to gamble, good example in the video where best call scenario was call a heal to board, that wasn’t advantages, that was desperate and a minus and no better option
@@TopDeckHeroes let’s do the math:
Discard in hand: - 1.
Look at top 3: +1 to hand, +1 to board, +1 to soul.
-1 to hand and +1 to hand cancel.
So you’re left with:
+1 to board, +1 to soul.
Extra soul isn’t card advantage, but an extra card to board is card advantage.
I also think you’re exaggerating on how often all of your options are bad. The Law of large numbers implies that sometimes you’ll have outliers (nothing goes right or nothing goes wrong), but it averages out in the end, and most of the time it’ll be normal.
We also, as humans, tend to forget about the average and exaggerate outliers. The fact that black magic and jokes like that are common on this channel demonstrates that very well. If you were to pay someone try to go back and run the numbers, it would come out rather boring as far as actual trends in luck.
So I guess what I’m saying is that, with what I know about statistics and human psychology, I don’t buy what you’re saying about it hurting more often in practice. The ability will, most of the time, be just fine.
Don’t get me wrong though, none of this is to say I don’t like you or your channel. This is just me taking card games way too seriously 😅😝
@@jacobjensen7704 the thing is, boyo, what the vg does is not nearly enough to compete against other decks that, consuming less resources and not commiting to a dumb highlander gimmick, do far more and obtain far more advantage on hand, board or soul. You saw the games, friend, Kheios competes against MLB for worst deck in the format
While i do agree with the statement , boyo and friend used in that way are unnecessary