Hi Brienne, another great video. Your editing is excellent! To save time, effort and paper, if you are going to cut a full-size foam panel into smaller sizes, just adhere a full-size sheet of watercolor paper to the full-size foam panel and then cut your smaller panels. You won't have to trim them and you only glue once as well.
Thanks Paul.... my husband had the same idea. He is all about efficiency. :) I have done some of that, but I worry about messing the face of the paper up too much using my mat cutter to cut through it. Maybe I will try it again. :)
These videos on finishing and making panels are so helpful. I clicked the link to the first one and it says it's not available anymore. Darn! I did watch it once before but wanted to watch again. Thank you for these.
First---another "brilliant idea" to mount paper to avoid buckling..(it will be awhile before I frame..lol) buckling really bothers me.. Second--You are an excellent intructor! (sidebar...I truly believe a God-given gift usually in people with a heart for giving; heart for people.. I've watched hundreds instruct (im former math teacher)..only few "truly teach others". You're gifted, dear! Third--Thank you for sharing!! Especially including what works best and tips.. Fourth---You're excellent teacher!!
Thank you so much Nancy! That is so wonderful to say! I love teaching and sharing what I have learned with others. I am so happy that this comes through. Bless you! BB
Replying to Mary Manahan Jerry’s Artarama has New York Central Professional Watercolor Panels using some of the finest cotton 140 lb. watercolor paper brands (Arches, Fabriano Artistico, Stonehenge, etc.) mounted on archival birch and New Zealand pine sided panels. They come in Hot Press, Cold Press and Rough. Also, 7/8” & 1-5/8” depth profile and many different sizes. As of 7-13-19 they are on sale right now.
@@briennembrown5938 I'm going to try your method as soon as the Gator board arrives. I don't like the watercolor boards that are currently on the market.. at least they don't work for me. I've used acrylic to glue my favorite watercolor paper on the boards I've messed up. That works much better but the boards still buckle a bit. Yep, so I'm sure this will be the answer. Thanks again!
Thank you Poppy! I am glad this will help. This is why I wanted to do it. It is just easier to see the process done than try to describe it. :) See you soon!!!
Awesome Paula and you are welcome. I have filmed most of the Varnishing video, we just need to finish the editing. :) Hopefully I can get faster at that step.....;)
@@briennembrown5938 No hurry. Such a learning curve with all the new ways of reaching your peeps. And to think we thought it was just about painting (insert laughing emogi here)
@@briennembrown5938 So very helpful. Panels will be better for plein air painting. First test painting with cold wax varnish now setting up. Love this.
If one were to affix unpainted 140 pound watercolor paper to the gator board with the intention of creating the painting after it dries, would there be a risk that the watercolor paper might then buckle or shrink, during or after the painting?
Hi Brienne, This is an informative series of video tutorials, and well done, very clear. I am going to try your brilliant method of mounting my paper on the gator board BEFORE painting. One question - In addition to applying the Golden Gel to the gator board panel, do you not recommend also applying it on the back of the paper, whether it's unpainted or painted? If it isn't necessary I won't do it but several other artists suggest it.
Hi Jennifer... thank you for your comments and for the great question. I have done it both ways and applying the gel on the paper and board won't hurt at all. I have just found it not necessary as long as you cover the entire board. I think either way should be fine. :) Just try it see which way you prefer. Happy Painting! Brienne
One question-what do you do about the board warping as it will happen when the glue dries? Do you paste a sheet of backing paper on the other side to balance the inevitable warp?
Gautam.... sorry I didn't Write back sooner ,I was out of town. This is a good question.... If you use Gator board, it will not warp. I have never had it warp...at least not 3/16 inch thick up to about 16x20. For larger paintings, I use 1/4 inch and even 1/2 inch. You want to make sure it is not foam core board... that will warp. I have also used gessoed panels, which works, but dies warp a little. I have found gator boards work best. Happy painting!
Hi Brienne, is it necessary to seal the board if I use cradle board with thick sides? also do we have to stretch the watercolour paper before I glue it? Great tutorials.👍🌹
Thank you for your question... no, you don't need to stretch the paper before adhering. I have painted the sides of the cradle boards I use just for looks. Not sure if it is necessary. But I do know it wouldn't hurt.
Thank you Melanie. You are right, gatorboard is not acid free. It is as acidic as most boards. That is why the acrylic medium acts as a moisture barrier between the board and the paper. I am continuing to test how good a barrier...
Hello Miss Brown (sorry for my English, I'm Belgian) I used exactly the same materials as you, except the paper was 140 lb . It does'nt work! Foamboard does not lie flat after drying, it deforms. What do you think? I'm so disappointed.😞
Thank you for your inspiring video. So what is the issue with affixing te 140# paper to the Gator board? I have lots of 140# paper and really do not want to spend more $ on getting 200 lb paper. Thanks, Lis
When I paint a painting on 140lb first and then adhere it to the gatorboard, I don't see any problems. But, when making a panel to paint on, I find that the 140 lb paper surface is affected by the acrylic medium but not when I use 200lb. However, I have friends that make panels with 140 lb and like it. So, the best thing is for you to try it and decide if it works for you. I wish you the best....Happy PAinting! Brienne :)
Thanks for the question Jackie. I have been doing this since 2016 and have seen no discoloration. I know other artists that have done this for longer with no problems either. That is all I can tell you. Happy Painting
@@jackiemiller1408... yes, I have read that as well. I have also tested it. It is an excellent moisture barrier which helps protect from any acidic leaching. But also... gator board is no more acidic than hard board. I have not been too worried about it.
Great question. I found that I'd I use the 200 lb. Paper it doesn't affect my washes , but 140 lb does. However, I have friends using 140 and love it. I use really wet first wash and the 200 or 300 works for me. I would suggest testing both with your method of painting. Hope this helps....
You totally can frame the painting under glass. If you are not going to use glass, then I varnish the painting. There is another video on my channel about how to varnish a watercolor.... ruclips.net/video/8Mf1O-yxcHI/видео.html Experiment to find what works for you. :) Happy Painting! BB
I have not tried pva glue, so I can't say from experience. I have adhered wc paper to mdf and that does work. But, it will buckle a little if the painting is too large. Best advice is to give it a try and see what happens. :)
You are welcome Mary. I have treated some Watercolor panels that Raymar was testing and they were good. But I haven't seen them in the market yet. They will be at the Plein Air Convention, so I was going to talk to them and find out how it was coming. I can let you know.... Other than that, I haven't seen any. 🤔.
Hi Mary... Sorry, I am just getting back to you... at the Plein Air Convention RayMar did have watercolor panels, but I still don't see them available for sale. However, I found out that Trekell does have watercolor panels.... www.trekell.com/Watercolor-Panels.html Here is the website. I haven't tried them yet, so I can't say for sure, but I might have to try them . I still will probably make my own, because I like certain paper and both these Trekell panels and RayMar panels are using Fabriano paper. Good paper, but I also like Suanders.... :) I hope this is helpful. Happy Painting
Also Jerry’s Artarama has watercolor paper on panels (wood cradles) they are thicker then gator board, they give you a variety of papers and brands to choose from. They take a little longer to ship apparently they use a company who makes these as ordered. I have used them and they are good - however I ordered Arches and there is no way of knowing if they are in fact using Arches, so you have to trust they it is.
I've looked at the gator board available, but am not sure exactly which 1/16 style you use. Which size, exactly, do you order in bulk? (I am very happy with this educational video!)
Karen, I like the craft finish if they have it (that is the brown color). I like this because you can see the glue easier. But, I also buy the white color. I don't think it really matters. I like to buy these sizes... 12 x 16 (because I use this size a lot), 16 x 20, and 18 x 24. I can cut most everything I do from these sizes. However, I noticed that the FoamBoardSource.com site that I usually use is temporarily out of the 3/16 inch gator board..www.foamboardsource.com/gatorfoams--gatorfoam--3-16--gatorfoam.html Or course, right when I recommend it. Really!??? Anyways, here is another source: www.artsupply.com/foamcore/gatorboard.htm. They only have white though, well it is the least expensive. There are several other sources, these are just the only ones I have used. Hope this helps.... Best, BB
Brienne M Brown , I have looked on Artsupply and do not see small sizes listed in kraft gator, only in white. Do you use special order to get small kraft gator in your notes sizes?
Hi Brienne, another great video. Your editing is excellent! To save time, effort and paper, if you are going to cut a full-size foam panel into smaller sizes, just adhere a full-size sheet of watercolor paper to the full-size foam panel and then cut your smaller panels. You won't have to trim them and you only glue once as well.
Thanks Paul.... my husband had the same idea. He is all about efficiency. :) I have done some of that, but I worry about messing the face of the paper up too much using my mat cutter to cut through it. Maybe I will try it again. :)
What was it you didnt care for when using 140lb? I like Arches 140 cold pressed. Any experience with it on gatorboard?
This was so helpful. And I love your work. Thanks for being so generous.
Thank you... I am glad this was helpful.
You are such a talented painter, but also instructor. I feel lucky and honored to watch your videos!
Thank you!
Thank you so much for the great compliment. :) It is my pleasure.
Happy Painting! BB
Thank you for sharing your experience and talent. I just found you last night and I am in LOVE!🌺🦚🤩
Thank you, and (if you paint), Happy Painting!!
These videos on finishing and making panels are so helpful. I clicked the link to the first one and it says it's not available anymore. Darn! I did watch it once before but wanted to watch again. Thank you for these.
First---another "brilliant idea" to mount paper to avoid buckling..(it will be awhile before I frame..lol) buckling really bothers me..
Second--You are an excellent intructor! (sidebar...I truly believe a God-given gift usually in people with a heart for giving; heart for people.. I've watched hundreds instruct (im former math teacher)..only few "truly teach others". You're gifted, dear!
Third--Thank you for sharing!! Especially including what works best and tips..
Fourth---You're excellent teacher!!
Thank you so much Nancy! That is so wonderful to say! I love teaching and sharing what I have learned with others. I am so happy that this comes through. Bless you! BB
Thank you. I recently discovered your work and kive then. You are so generous with these videos and knowledge sharing. 🙏🏼👍🏼🙏🏽
Extremely helpful by articulate artist. Thank you! Happy painting everyone.
Thank you so much.... glad this was helpful. Happy Painting
Brienne, I have yet to try these techniques. Have you done it on a larger (ie half sheet ) painting? I hope to see you in Houston again.
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Replying to Mary Manahan Jerry’s Artarama has New York Central Professional Watercolor Panels using some of the finest cotton 140 lb. watercolor paper brands (Arches, Fabriano Artistico, Stonehenge, etc.) mounted on archival birch and New Zealand pine sided panels. They come in Hot Press, Cold Press and Rough. Also, 7/8” & 1-5/8” depth profile and many different sizes. As of 7-13-19 they are on sale right now.
Thanks Stalean for sharing.... that is great to know. I will definitely check it out. It is good to know the options
Love the Gypsy guitar playing
Thanks Rick.... just a RUclips music clip. I love Gypsy guitar too... :)
New subscriber. Just breaking into watercolors and appreciate the thorough instruction. :)
Awesome! Thank you! You are so welcome too. :)
This video is a great resource Bienne! Thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful!
@@briennembrown5938 I'm going to try your method as soon as the Gator board arrives. I don't like the watercolor boards that are currently on the market.. at least they don't work for me. I've used acrylic to glue my favorite watercolor paper on the boards I've messed up. That works much better but the boards still buckle a bit. Yep, so I'm sure this will be the answer. Thanks again!
Awesome... Best of luck and have fun experimenting 😄
Hi Brienne, great video! So glad to have something to direct people to when they ask how to do this process!
Thank you Poppy! I am glad this will help. This is why I wanted to do it. It is just easier to see the process done than try to describe it. :) See you soon!!!
I just liked da song at da start that all
Thank you Brienne, this what I was looking for
I am so glad....thank you Salih. :)
Great idea, I , too, have envied how oil painters can display their work.
I will definitely use this technique.
Great Susan... I am glad this can be useful. Yes, it is nice to have the framing easier. :)
I like to put a piece of parchment paper on the surface of the painting/paper to keep it clean while I weight it too dry.
Great idea Kari! I will have to try that. :) Thank you for sharing.
Another great video Brienne, thank you
Thanks so much Gord.... You are very welcome 😊
Wow, thanks for your help.
Thank you so much for this information !
Thank you!
You're welcome!
great video, thanks! When you do 10 at a time, do you stack them up under your weight to dry?
Very helpful! Thank you for doing this. Have one ready for the varnish step.
Awesome Paula and you are welcome. I have filmed most of the Varnishing video, we just need to finish the editing. :) Hopefully I can get faster at that step.....;)
@@briennembrown5938 No hurry. Such a learning curve with all the new ways of reaching your peeps. And to think we thought it was just about painting (insert laughing emogi here)
@@paulachristenwatercolorstu1549 ....hahaha!! so true. I have learned so much more than I wanted to at first. But it is all good! :)
@@briennembrown5938 So very helpful. Panels will be better for plein air painting. First test painting with cold wax varnish now setting up. Love this.
I recently found some PVC foam display board at Home Depot. Have you tried mounting paper on this material? I should be very durable.
Does using the acrylic medium affect the absorbency of the watercolour paper?
If one were to affix unpainted 140 pound watercolor paper to the gator board with the intention of creating the painting after it dries, would there be a risk that the watercolor paper might then buckle or shrink, during or after the painting?
What is the type of varnish you use over your water colour painting?
Hi Brienne, This is an informative series of video tutorials, and well done, very clear. I am going to try your brilliant method of mounting my paper on the gator board BEFORE painting. One question - In addition to applying the Golden Gel to the gator board panel, do you not recommend also applying it on the back of the paper, whether it's unpainted or painted? If it isn't necessary I won't do it but several other artists suggest it.
Hi Jennifer... thank you for your comments and for the great question. I have done it both ways and applying the gel on the paper and board won't hurt at all. I have just found it not necessary as long as you cover the entire board. I think either way should be fine. :) Just try it see which way you prefer. Happy Painting!
Brienne
Thank you, Brienne!
Will this work with mounting pastel pepper?
Will this work with archival Modge Podge?
What happens when you use the 300gsm paper on board?
One question-what do you do about the board warping as it will happen when the glue dries? Do you paste a sheet of backing paper on the other side to balance the inevitable warp?
Gautam.... sorry I didn't Write back sooner ,I was out of town. This is a good question.... If you use Gator board, it will not warp. I have never had it warp...at least not 3/16 inch thick up to about 16x20. For larger paintings, I use 1/4 inch and even 1/2 inch. You want to make sure it is not foam core board... that will warp. I have also used gessoed panels, which works, but dies warp a little. I have found gator boards work best. Happy painting!
Hi Brienne, is it necessary to seal the board if I use cradle board with thick sides? also do we have to stretch the watercolour paper before I glue it? Great tutorials.👍🌹
Thank you for your question... no, you don't need to stretch the paper before adhering. I have painted the sides of the cradle boards I use just for looks. Not sure if it is necessary. But I do know it wouldn't hurt.
Have you used "sintra" board?
Very helpful. But I'm concerned about the gatorboard - it says on the website you linked to that it's NOT acid-free...???
Thank you Melanie. You are right, gatorboard is not acid free. It is as acidic as most boards. That is why the acrylic medium acts as a moisture barrier between the board and the paper. I am continuing to test how good a barrier...
Use rubber solution, it's cleaner and easy to remove any extra dry solution,
by using the same dry solution made into a ball as a rubber.
Interesting...thank you for sharing. So, is it like rubber cement?
@@briennembrown5938 Yes, they do call it cement also.
What about spray adhesives ? 3M makes some good ones. Ever try any? Thanks
I have not tried a spray adhesive... I might have to try it. :) Thanks. BB
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Hello Miss Brown (sorry for my English, I'm Belgian)
I used exactly the same materials as you, except the paper was 140 lb . It does'nt work! Foamboard does not lie flat after drying, it deforms. What do you think? I'm so disappointed.😞
Did you also notice that the Gator board warped like this? 🌙 concave deformation ! How to do?
Thank you for your inspiring video. So what is the issue with affixing te 140# paper to the Gator board? I have lots of 140# paper and really do not want to spend more $ on getting 200 lb paper.
Thanks, Lis
When I paint a painting on 140lb first and then adhere it to the gatorboard, I don't see any problems. But, when making a panel to paint on, I find that the 140 lb paper surface is affected by the acrylic medium but not when I use 200lb. However, I have friends that make panels with 140 lb and like it. So, the best thing is for you to try it and decide if it works for you. I wish you the best....Happy PAinting!
Brienne :)
@@briennembrown5938 Thank you!
How long have you used this without the acid gator board causing discoloration.
Thanks for the question Jackie. I have been doing this since 2016 and have seen no discoloration. I know other artists that have done this for longer with no problems either. That is all I can tell you. Happy Painting
,@@briennembrown5938 thanks I was going thru videos and saw some saying the gel medium protected the art from the wood.
@@jackiemiller1408... yes, I have read that as well. I have also tested it. It is an excellent moisture barrier which helps protect from any acidic leaching. But also... gator board is no more acidic than hard board. I have not been too worried about it.
Does acrylic medium on the premise panels affect a really wet wash as you paint. Any negative surprises while using them? Thanks in advance. 😊🎨
Great question. I found that I'd I use the 200 lb. Paper it doesn't affect my washes , but 140 lb does. However, I have friends using 140 and love it. I use really wet first wash and the 200 or 300 works for me. I would suggest testing both with your method of painting. Hope this helps....
Brienne M Brown I will. thank you kindly. 😊
Is it advisable to use glass to cover Ur painting when u frame it. Or just frame it? Can u advice
You totally can frame the painting under glass. If you are not going to use glass, then I varnish the painting. There is another video on my channel about how to varnish a watercolor....
ruclips.net/video/8Mf1O-yxcHI/видео.html
Experiment to find what works for you. :)
Happy Painting!
BB
What kind of varnish do You use for watercolor?
Here is my video explaining the varnishes I am using at this time... ruclips.net/video/8Mf1O-yxcHI/видео.html
What type of rubber roller do you use?
Hi Michele... It is a Speedball roller. I just got it from Dick Blick. It is hard rubber.
could pva glue and 1/4 inch mdf do for the first steps?
I have not tried pva glue, so I can't say from experience. I have adhered wc paper to mdf and that does work. But, it will buckle a little if the painting is too large. Best advice is to give it a try and see what happens. :)
@@briennembrown5938 thanks. Its just that being a carpenter l have a lot of mdf and pva kicking about😊
Thanks Brienne! How about us lazy artists who are clumsy with utility knives....is there a source somewhere to buy pre-made watercolor panels?
You are welcome Mary. I have treated some Watercolor panels that Raymar was testing and they were good. But I haven't seen them in the market yet. They will be at the Plein Air Convention, so I was going to talk to them and find out how it was coming. I can let you know.... Other than that, I haven't seen any. 🤔.
Hi Mary... Sorry, I am just getting back to you... at the Plein Air Convention RayMar did have watercolor panels, but I still don't see them available for sale. However, I found out that Trekell does have watercolor panels.... www.trekell.com/Watercolor-Panels.html Here is the website. I haven't tried them yet, so I can't say for sure, but I might have to try them . I still will probably make my own, because I like certain paper and both these Trekell panels and RayMar panels are using Fabriano paper. Good paper, but I also like Suanders.... :) I hope this is helpful. Happy Painting
Also Jerry’s Artarama has watercolor paper on panels (wood cradles) they are thicker then gator board, they give you a variety of papers and brands to choose from. They take a little longer to ship apparently they use a company who makes these as ordered. I have used them and they are good - however I ordered Arches and there is no way of knowing if they are in fact using Arches, so you have to trust they it is.
I've looked at the gator board available, but am not sure exactly which 1/16 style you use. Which size, exactly, do you order in bulk? (I am very happy with this educational video!)
Karen, I like the craft finish if they have it (that is the brown color). I like this because you can see the glue easier. But, I also buy the white color. I don't think it really matters. I like to buy these sizes... 12 x 16 (because I use this size a lot), 16 x 20, and 18 x 24. I can cut most everything I do from these sizes.
However, I noticed that the FoamBoardSource.com site that I usually use is temporarily out of the 3/16 inch gator board..www.foamboardsource.com/gatorfoams--gatorfoam--3-16--gatorfoam.html
Or course, right when I recommend it. Really!???
Anyways, here is another source: www.artsupply.com/foamcore/gatorboard.htm. They only have white though, well it is the least expensive. There are several other sources, these are just the only ones I have used.
Hope this helps.... Best, BB
Brienne M Brown , I have looked on Artsupply and do not see small sizes listed in kraft gator, only in white. Do you use special order to get small kraft gator in your notes sizes?
Does the acrylic medium seal the board?
Thank you!