Never Run Wide in a Corner Again with this Simple Trick // Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Nature never repeats itself, so why do we try to use regimented, pedantic techniques to navigate an ever changing environment. Expert motorcyclists understand that the same corner will never be the same twice, so they use a strategy that allows them to adapt to constant change and the unexpected.
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“No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man.” ~ Heraclitus
OMG I totally forgot about that saying, but it’s so perfect; right!?!
@@CanyonChasers You knew it instinctively somehow . 🤙🤙
I was going to post the same thing
HA! you beat me to it, was just about to leave the same quote, love Heraklitos!
@@CanyonChasers Heraklitos, c500bc Greek pre-Sokratik filosofer.
Outstanding vid. Your repetitive phrasing, using critical keywords in fresh phrases, drives the concept without being preachy or feeling redundant.
I also really appreciate your context establishing intro. Brilliant.
Thank you so much! I put a lot into this one, so I’m thrilled it’s helping!!
This vid really is a level up in production quality (which was already high to begin with). Excellent use of effects to both make your points more visibility tangible and keep us all engaged. Thank You!
Thank you. Not gonna lie, it totally kicked my ass and made the computer smoke during editing. Forcing me to break down and buy a new computer. So I’m thrilled to hear it was worth it.
The drone footage where the camera followed the bike through the corner, backed off to capture the whole hairpin, and then resumed following the bike was impressive. What drone are you using, if you don't mind me asking. I'll guess ... Skydio. 🤔🙂
The published product reflects the effort and skill - F9 level of production
I came down here to say the same thing. Really well done, CC!
Couldn’t have said it better! Great production here!
Being able to stop mid corner is a huge thing I learned from Champ U. Canyon roads aren't race tracks with repeatable braking points and apexes.
---- canyon roads are also only half as wide as a race course - meaning that on a public road, you have to plan/execute your riding based on 1/2 of its width while on a race course you can use the entire track. Way too many wash out or wipe out when they discover an oncoming vehicle taking that other half.
@@bonesrhodes3762 And they get even narrower if you consider many oncoming car drivers will happily ride half on your side of the road, or the bike takes a lot space when leaning around 45 degrees or more.
I cant say enough good things about ChampU. I finished the course a few months ago, and my improvement was nothing short of dramatic even after riding nearly 4 years. Thanks for continuing to implement their good advice in your videos.
I think every rider should take that course. I’d be able to do videos about oil and tires. 😎
I've been riding over 25 years, and the difference in my riding after completing ChampU was incredible. I agree with CC, everyone should take ChampU, the difference in safety for riders on the street would increase exponentially....
@@Zookeeper101 im keen. I took california bike school which was also good, but I think champ you has slightly different approach. Did you do the online course, or did you take the actual track class
I have the same experience. Been going to the local tracks for 4 years and then did Champ School and in 2 days they taught me more than I learned in those 4 years. The cost is expensive but is also the best value by far and would recommend this to everyone.
You've been absolutely killing it with the videos lately. Awesome explanation.
I love the feelings you get from the motorcycle to tell you what you’re doing right or wrong. I go into a particular roundabout and want to come blasting out my exit but if im still leaned over and get on the throttle you can feel so much arched weight on that back tire you know you have to be way more delicate or patient with the throttle. I only run a 68hp bike but its VERY apparent with that feeling that if the bike were much more powerful you could slide it right out or end up in a highside. I guess thats why we shouldnt start on liter bikes. 😂
Yeh, the smoother you are, the more you get to feel. That gives you a much better chance to not crash if-and you start doing something dumb.
That's how I *NEARLY* high-sided once. The only difference between me writing this comment right now, and eating tractor & asphalt then and there was how smoothly I applied power. I felt the wheel start to go and had the time to correct before it was too late. But if I'd snapped the throttle open instead I'd have had no chance of catching it at all.
I've watched a lot of videos on RUclips and yours make the most sense Dave. Your videos are aimed at the real world not the perfect flat surface of a car park. Well done 🤓, keep up the good work. Ride well and ride safe. 🤓🏍️🏍️
Wow, thanks!
Excellent video production and effects! Getting better with each clip.
Super-dense advice and explanation without fuss or fluff. Thank you for teaching us fundamental skills!
Also, flexing the single-sided swingarm, gold wheels, and the sweet Ducati exhaust on the most beautiful curvy roads... -Want more!- Want one. Ducati should sponsor you.
I took ChampU at a leisure pace (~6 weeks to complete) and it was a revelation, even for a beginner like me. Do it, even if you will never go on a track. It may save your skin or life.
MSF courses should incorporate some of their basic principles on grip, speed=direction, and smooth controls.
Awesome video. ChampU Online changed how I ride dramatically...for the better of course. An issue I've seen with riders riding by direction, especially on public roads, is worrying about the apex of a corner. Mid corner on a decreasing radius blind corner (any corner really) is not the place to be worrying about where you apex. Your attention and focus should be on hazards, staying in your lane, and the exit. The apex "magically" takes care of it's self, don't worry about it. Proper entry for the conditions and a proper exit for the conditions is more important than the apex.
I've never had cornering explained in simple terms before, this video provides a simple understanding of cornering and what to expect no matter the conditions. What a great common sense explanation. Thank you
Glad it helped!
The production quality is second to none.
Thank you. It pushed my skills, that’s for sure.
@@CanyonChasers and is worth the effort.
Great video, not only with the information and explanation but also regarding the technical quality and the editing. A real step higher 👍
Congrats on the video production; it's both instructive and very pleasant to watch !
I also do appreciate that you mention the maintenance throttle phase in long sweepers.
When trailbraking, I always pay attention not to overbrake as the charge transfer also induces a force component that adds to the centrifugal force (however this impact diminishes since we are slowing down...).
On another hand, charge transfer to the front means less charge on the rear wheel and, theoretically at least, you may lose the rear to the centrifugal force if you're very fast on a light bike (?)
These last two comments only because you showed a physics book :D !
Keep up the good work !
You won't loose the rear going into a corner from heavy braking, you loose the rear accelerating out of the corner. In hard braking corners the rear wheel is basically off the ground and then you slowly transfer the weight to the rear as you enter and go through the corner ending up with all the weight on the rear tire exiting the corner.
This format, standing alongside the road, is brilliant. Excellent overall. Thanks.
Agree, To understand the mechanics and the philosophy of applying wisdom through practice in a fluid environment is basically what we are striving to do. Not everyone will understand such concepts.
This is true. We tested a lot of this phrasing on new riders to very befuddled faces. Which is why we kept trying to simplify it. Riders with about a year of riding experience, or car experience, grabbed onto it much quicker.
I went through the MSF course. I found it to be an excellent refresher for people like me who are living their second motorcycle life. Cornering, however, seemed complicated to me. I did as I was told but I didn't like the amount of operations involved in the maneuver. Lately, I've been entering corners on the throttle but would have preferred to trail brake like in a car... so, I felt like i was going to run wide, occasionally. I didn't put it together until I saw this video, and I agree. Trail braking is safer and simpler. Thank you. It has totally changed my riding.
Awesome video! The work you've put in to refining terminology and phrasing is very apparent and it's paid off :)
I may sound like a broken record in every comment I leave under your videos, but no further than this very evening (in Eastern-European Time zone, so around your noon I assume) you have once again saved my bike and possibly my life; as I was turning a (perhaps a bit over-confident in speed) 90 degrees blind corner around a house and faced a car reversing from a parking spot on the right side right into the middle of the street (one lane) I was turning on to. Since I was already on the brakes helping my turning, I had absolutely zero scare, zero problems to add some more brakes and removing lean at once, coming to an almost-immediate and fast stop on my 2000 Hornet S that has… well, just the brakes! No ABS, no traction control - yet no problem!
Can’t thank you enough for all the knowledge you share with the riders’ community. All the best to you, Sensei!
Pardon the odd style of the comment - I tend to write sentances so long when I am over-excited that by the end of one I forget what I started it with.
Never stop telling these stories man! It's not a broken record to survive a scary situation unscathed! Thats the beauty of these techniques, to give us more options to deal with the unexpected or the things we miss!
Thank you for this video. I have been studying Trail Braking for more than 20 years, and only your explanation has made sense. Not overlapping braking and throttle, then simply rolling onto your fingers (gently) as you roll off the gas and need more speed control. Wow! Tight, blind corners with corners that never seem to stop turning as so much easier, and less scary, now. Thank you. (FTR I live in Kanab, UT, so I know a blind corner when I see one.)
Not trying to be too dramatic here...but these videos on cornering are literally going to save lives. I grew up on dirt bikes but now that the kids are out I'm getting into adventuring touring models. Fun stuff. But serious stuff. I really, really appreciate the words of wisdom.
Wow! thank you! Thats been my goal. I want this amazing sport of ours to grow!
thanks for the great video and info Dave...learned something today...
Glad you enjoyed it! This one was one of the more complex edits I've done, so I really hope people like it.
If you corner hard you should buy anti sloshing foam and pop it into your fuel tank. It's a block of foam that racers use to keep more stability on the way into corners. In a nut shell it takes up all the open space so fuel doesn't slosh back, forth, side to side. Typically, you only lose about 3% of your overall fuel volume. It's worth it if you ride hard. Keep em Shiney side up!
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Such great value & information.
I use the techniques taught every ride!
loved it... i set it full screen and screenshot 6:58 - that is now my backdrop
only One thing i think "slightly" differently ... instead of "acceleration makes it want to run wide"... though that's true IN the corner... as you exit, its not really running wide; you WANT it to stand up, straighten up and open up the radius. So i tend to think of that as "acceleration makes it want to stand up and straighten up" - bad IN the corner, but exactly what i want as i exit the corner onto the straight.
I bought my first road bike 2 years ago and have put 10 thousand miles on it in a place with a 5 month riding season. Its great to hear someone with your experience talk about stuff i naturaly do. Great vidio and good advice. Thanks man.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It's definitely the new way of driving.
Great video! Thanks for sharing. 👍
Thanks Kevin! How have you been?
@@CanyonChasers Been doing great!!! It has been a HOT summer here in Texas so I have chosen my riding times with an eye on the temps...finally cooling off a bit. I loved your editing style for this video, I can tell a lot of work went into it...it looked awesome. I am working on something a little different for my next Friday video if I can get it all done in time. 😆
@@MCrider Oh, I'm excited to see it! Yeah, insaine heat here too. We've only be sneaking out early in the morning and have to back before 10am.
One of the best vids you've ever done. Informative but not condescending. Succinct with enough repetition to make your points. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Succinct and excellent, as always! I love the simple three-fold explanation about slowing, neutral, and acceleration and how each one is used and/or affects each turn. It's rather elementary, really, but the old adage is true in saying we don't know what we don't know. This really brings it down to the lowest common denominator and is easy for all to understand. Thanks, Dave!!
Not only are your videos beautifully edited, but the content is 100% top notch! Thanks for making this video, I learned a lot and can't wait to apply what I've learned!
Wow, thanks!
I owned 6 motorcycles before I bought my first car well over 40 years ago. Good advice like this was not widely available then. So I learned the hard way how to ride, with some important lessons never learned. I got back into motorcycling a couple of years ago and was understandably nervous. Would it all come back to me? I dont ride in the city unless I'm on my way out of town. Just too dangerous because car drivers simply do not see motorcycles. I was happy to find your content as I was easing back into the sport because it answers so many of my questions and concerns when I ride. It both explains things I already knew and helps me think about and understand things I didnt. "Let the turn come to you" is my favorite. I find myself saying it out loud as I approach a turn and it works! That, coupled with a "focus" on speed and direction results in much greater confidence and success. Of course, trail breaking is life changing and you explain it so well. I'm a much better rider than I ever was thanks in large part to your content. So......thanks for everything you do and please keep putting your content out there!
From a beginner rider , this video has helped so much and gave me a little confiedence boost , the video is well written and the edits are awesome
Thanks for this information. Your videos over the last couple of years have made me a better, safer and more confident rider.
Awesome!!
Excellent information!
But what about that production quality?!? Bravo sir!
Also important to stay as wide for as long as possible before braking into the apex. Straightens out the line and allows you to power out earlier.
Thank you so much for your time and patience , Merry Christmas and a happy new year 🎄🎅🎄🎅🎄
perfect explanation ....thank you! New to street riding.... Canadian in Thailand, Love the curves......
I needed this teaching when I started riding 15 years ago. The only reason I'm still alive is because I was lucky a lot in those days. Thanks for educating us!
This video is one of the cornering strategy explaining yet. Thx
Wow, very clearly explained, one of the best vids on the subject. Keeper.
Very well put! My takeaway is that I am hesitant to overuse front brakes. Most of my riding was pre-anti-lock tech, and it always seemed that some of the sketchiest crashes were from too heavy on front brakes. However, nothing is more terrifying than slowly creeping wide towards a shoulder or barrier without a sense of control. Guess I need to have more faith in ABS in the corners?
Don't be afraid of your front brake - be afraid of abruptness. ABS is just a safeguard against "grabbing" or "stabbing" the brakes. We want to use smooth, progressive, linear brake movements to load the tire. When we do this, even without ABS, it's very unlikely that we'll lock up. MotoGp and WSBK guys don't use ABS, and front brake locks, even in rain races, are virtually non-existent. Thats because they know to be afraid of abruptness.
I think this video finally made trail braking click in my head. Now to go out and practise
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge and expertise, it helped me and keep teaching me how to do it right, it already save me 2 times in the twisty corners going to my work
Another great video! One thing i see a lot is riders giving up on the corner and crashing long before the bike is to its limits, it's a hard thing to overcome because it's our fear of crashing that often leads us into a crash. Learning to keep your eyes looking thru the corner can be difficult, and learning techniques (such as body position) to reduce how much of the bikes abilities you're using (thus keeping you safer) is key. I'm not saying to go be a street Rossi and drag knee all the time, but understanding your bikes abilities can get you out of a tough spot when you find that sneaky decreasing radius corner or obstacle you have to adjust for.
I'm very mechanically inclined, and to add to that I have a weird ability to "connect" with machinery. My wife has often told me I'm closer to my vehicles then I am to loved ones because I have a difficult time reading emotion/ etc, but I can lock into a vehicle and feel what it needs or wants, I've frustrated several mechanics because I can, for instance, feel a loose or bad wheel bearing before they can even find it when looking for it. This is why I ride a soft tire carcass, I need the feedback from the road reduced so my brain isn't being overloaded.
With this connection that I get, I can feel what the bike needs in order to do what I want it to. ChampU helped me understand what I was feeling, and also why I did some things I was doing without being told to do it or understand why I was doing it. Feeling what the bike wanted, but not always knowing how to give it to it was the tool/ knowledge I was missing, ChampU gave me that understanding.
Absolutely!!
Thank you so much for sharing your passion and knowledge. I WISH everyone wanted to hear this.
Me too! I think I am most proud of this video, and it just hasn't gotten much attention. I've tried multiple titles/thumbnails... But it's such an amazing way to approach corners.
@@CanyonChasers well I certainly will do my part and share this video. I've only been riding for just over a year now and can't imagine a time that I wouldn't want to continue to learn or be reminded of how I can continue to improve. Every time I get on my bike, other than enjoying the ride, I try to pick something that I want to work on. It may be as simple as line of sight in traffic or more demanding, doing emergency stops out direction changes at speed in corners when it's safe to practice that. Too many do not understand that the skills of riding well are perishable. And I totally understand that not everybody's in a mindset of improving or riding well. Many are in a group of people that are more concerned with how they look to others while riding.
You are in a very small group of people I listen to that have stood out from the noise and the crowd of the internet. I thank you sincerely.
I love it! I always pick one thing to work on as well. Our first track day of the year was Friday - I spend all day trying to have faster eyes! Also, thank you for the kind words! 🙏
Amazing editing and material guys!
This is definitely my fav channel for videos on nothing but trailbraking.
Wow. Excellent lesson and quality production. Would love if you expanded on this for DCT and linked brakes on a lot of modern motorcycles. It’s had to know how much is being applied to each and if the bikes braking system “knows”.
Linked brakes are great. You really don't have to think as much about it. Put your focus on the front brake lever, that little bit extra rear brake just makes everything a little bit smoother.
@@CanyonChasers Great. Thanks for the reply!
Love the effort you put into these, immersive and succinct, thanks.
I'm definitely going to watch this video a few other times. Thank you!
I imagine this does make a lot of sense when you get to do it. I’m still stuck in the parking lot.
If you start in the parking lot, it means you are practicing and are ahead of the game. 😊
I wonder how many of us have grabbed a handful coming into or in a corner. I know I have, thankfully never went down.
Great advice on keeping the weight on the front wheel and definitely a conversation for the bike meets to see what other riders are using.
Personally I always slow before the corner glide through and accelerate out if these days .
Excellent video! Love the way you edited this one. Well done! 👏
Amazing video Dave! I recognize some pages from David Hough's books. I used to reread those every year and while I still find them relevant from a street-strategy POV, for many years I've had issues with the cornering technique. Enter YCRS, Canyon Chasers, Bret Tkacs and other skills coaches presenting trail-braking to the masses. Teaching us to ride with a situationally adaptable technique. Thank you!
That one corner graphic may have been from his first book. Haha!
@@CanyonChaserscoming back to review this video again today. A real gem. Well done sir!
This is so cool, you made the video I mentioned in your other video that I needed work on. Thank you so much!!!!
I've been riding 50+ years. If I were to calculate all of this stuff to get it "right", I'd run off the road. I am sure I am doing all of this stuff that you put physics to. I almost flunked physics in college because I couldn't "prove" my theorums. I could look at a shape and know what the answer is. It is like taking a corner/curve. Don't make any abrupt changes to your direction, don't over think it and you will be fine. I guarantee that if someone were to get out their protractor, slide rule and tape measure, I am long down the road safe and sound. Counter-steer is another thing you people harp on. It is really simple, turn your bars out of the turn, your bike lays into the turn because you have pushed the bottom of the bike out causing the lean. I realized this on my second bike 50 years ago. I was doing it before I had realized it, I was just riding my bike. When you learned to ride a bicycle at 5, did you do any calculations? Doubt it. You tried riding, sometimes with training wheels then without. You crashed a few times and figured it out. Then only crashed once every 5 years. I've only crashed on a motorcycle three times. Once cornering on oil. Once sideswiped by a car turning into my lane and once hit the back end of a pickup speeding through an uncontrolled/blind intersection. On the last one I was down to 5mph before impact. At 69 I guess I did ok. Still riding daily.
I suspect that someone - or you - that fully understands these concepts would be a faster/safer rider, despite your years in the saddle. That was my experience anyway, had ~40k miles logged before trying to learn the physics and ~80k faster/safer miles since then.
Superb “direction” 👏👏👏
Thank you 👍
A note about navigating curves with intent to always go for late apex. Dave has presented good videos about using late apex but there is one good point not mentioned very often. Dave started the video about running wide. This happens quite often when a rider approaches a curve with the early apex. When I began hearing about late apex, it took me awhile to break the habit of turning in early. The phrases that piqued my interest was "Early in - early out" - "At the track we call them early in assholes".
When you approach a curve on in the inside, you are running somewhat on straight line and not setup to turn in. when you see the apex your speed may be too fast and you will run wide.
That is why a late apex approach is essential on canyon roads as in this video. When you approach the curve to hit the late apex, you are already on the outside of the curve. This approach not only gives you vision around the curve to see what is coming up. When the apex is seen, open the throttle. Yes you slow to proper speed but are able to get on the throttle and not slowing.
The unmentioned topic is that you tend to naturally slow down on approach because you are already on the outside of your lane. You SEE this early on entry and are able to adjust approach at a controlled speed. The early apex rider sees the turn in too late and is not nearly as much in control. I routinely use late apex on the roads through the hills and hollars.
You are exactly right! On the street we are trying to shy away from the idea of apexes becsuse sometimes the apex could put you in harms way, like on the centerline, even though I have an entire video talking about the importance of late apexing on the street. We're playing with the idea of the decision point - staying wide until we reach the point where we can see our exit (future video right there) and can verify it's clear/safe, etc.
@@CanyonChasers I ride the hills and hollers of East Tennessee, that includes excursions into the mountains of Western North Carolina and north into Virginia.
The method I use is to stay on the outside of my lane looking for apex to open throttle. The one thing I like to do is to finish under control on shoulder with right turns and finish on the centerline with left turns. It is optimum for being set in S curves.
I generally do not deviate except on sets of curves that I know the best line.
My favorite set of curves is a horseshoe curve followed by S-curves.
I take a racing line on the right turn, this throws me to the centerline which is the natural outside approach to the right turn into the S-curve.
I noticed that on most curves, after hanging out like on the outside, you finish on the on the shoulder or center of the lane on CW turns. Don’t flirt with shoulder or the centerline on exits.
I love it - that is basically how we do it as well! Mountain riding teaches you some things really quickly about flirting with dirty shoulders and crowded centerlines.
Smooth linear inputs! Great point.
At 1:15 there is a man out standing in his field…😜
Totally enlightening what is said about the same corner being different…even time after time!
I might add that it’s important to make the transition smoothly (braking, acceleration.)
Another top notch video!
It is so important!! Smooth, linear inputs!
We go smooth so we can go fast
This is the way!
Very nicely explained 👍👍❤️❤️
A suggestion for a further topic: body position according to "balance" and acceleration. You want to lean in when the bike "wants" to tip over, and you want to lean out when tha bike wants to fall.
For example if you decide to slow down during a corner and maintain the same radius, you want to lean your body out and counterbalance, you can't keep your body leaning in.
Yep. We call that body timing and that would be a very interesting video.
Thanks
Badass new video editing moves you got there!
Riding by rote is how one learns the basics and the time line is different for every rider when they achieve the level of proficiency . Only until you master the fundamentals and it becomes innate can you appreciate and understand how to ride truly by direction and blend the skills in a non linear way.
Excellent.
Great video and explanation. Thanks
Hi Dave! Was the scene with the truck cutting the corner movie magic or legit? Did you need a clean pair of pants afterwards?
Greetings from the pprc great advice thanks for doing this for us.🇺🇸
Good point!
Came for the cornering, stayed for the philosophy! 😃
ok i allways try to enter a corner at the correct speed and just try to accelerate out of it with no or little breaking,as u can imagine my mind is spinning right now with this new knowledge.
Yes!! This is an exciting time! The freedom to be able to slow into corners until you are happy with your speed and direction will change your riding. The level of precision it allows is pure magic!
Great topic,video and advice. When I come into a curve the way I process these concepts, and it has helped me, is to look ahead to locate the 'vanishing point' of the road. I actually prompt myself by thinking "where is the VP?" If I am closing on the VP it is a decreasing radius curve and time for more loading on front tire to reduce speed and thus tighten my turn. If the distance to the VP is holding steady I maintain steady throttle. As soon as the distance to the VP starts to increase (i.e. curve is opening up) I start to load rear tire and once VP has moved to the 10 or 2 o'clock position I am free to roll on the throttle as I please. All this of course happens in the context of road hazards etc. Are we thinking along the same lines?
Great info- thank you!
Frontbreak = narrower radius
Neutral = same
Acceleration = increase radius
omg ty I need to write this down. best summation
This video is amazing 👏🏻👏🏻
Love the vid but I think missed the secret!? Honest what is it and time stamp please!? Thank you in advance
@@LeoTheLion01 Not by "rote". As in rote learning, doing the same thing over and over the exact same way.
This is the video right here! 😉
nature never repeats itself, neither do the road workers. nice vid.
Thank you, life or riding requires us to stay flexible
Its not a "By the book " exercise
It is a joyfully experience when I and my machine or SELF know I am in "The grove"
It’s one of the reasons why this sport holds such allure, right. It’s this crazy cool partnership.
Whilst all these are very good and important points, it boggles my mind how people are out there without this basic knowledge that you feel you need to make this video as an "expert" level guide... Not trying to be funny but this is something you aren't even allowed to get out on the road before knowing when I learned to ride, let alone do it on a big bike in canyons... I certainly learned it as soon as I started riding and I don't think of myself as a particularly amazing rider, I got good fundamentals but I don't drag knee every corner and I can't wheelie for miles.
Great vid
Thanks!
Thank you!! Much appreciated!!
This sounds a lot like learning to ride a bike on trails. You have to be ready and anticipate some upcoming event based on your current status and you are rewarded for smoothness and timing. If you can dodge a tree you can dodge a car.
Would you consider doing a video treatment of the physics of the motorcycle variables and the relationships between weight, and motorcycle power, especially in regard to cornering and overall handling differences between the different styles of bikes, such as, sport, (traditional upright, naked), and cruisers. For example, a 300c and 300 pound bike versus a 600cc and 600 pound bike versus a 900cc and 900 pound bike. The rider weight would remain a constant, perhaps 200 pounds. You could of course expand this into many other treatments according to your will. Pros and Cons???
That would be exceedingly complicated to pull off.
@@CanyonChasers Yes, it would be a major production, but it would be fascinating, especially to us Noobs, well maybe just me. Maybe, just comparing a Honda cb300r, to a Yamaha SCR, to a big, Harley Davidson and comparing the physics/handling differences. Thanks for replying.
Nice job with the throttle red tape.
I have watched all your videos - I like them all.
I have one question:
In corners, do you push down on the foot peg to lean the bike?
Sorta'. Coast down a hill, take your hands off the handlebars and push down on the pegs. It moves the bike a little, but not all that much. We press on the pegs in combination with outher controls, but it's not a primary concern.
I saw this issue spoken to by Keith code of the california bike schools, as well. No, putting weights on pegs does little or nothing. You look where you go and your body follows leaning the bike
Great video and I appreciate the content.
But the line you keep repeating - ‘Nature doesn’t repeat itself…’ try looking up fractals in nature.
Thanks for helping us understand how to drive safer 🙏
Awesome point! I love it!!
"Speed equals radius"!
Mmm, didn't I hear that in a Champ I video a month ago? 🧐 Copy & Paste is the new look 😜
We certainly don't mind CanyonChasers spreading best practices.
Awesome so helpful as a new rider, are there any clubs where I can work on skills ?! Thx
Track days are about the best place to play with these ideas.
Valentino è d'accordo con questo video, soprattutto!
Each road has speed limits that gets you through safely. Public roads are not race tracks for high speed leaning.
This is why these videos are popular, though. Trail braking on a race track can shave your laptime and help you pass other riders. "Trail faking" on the street doesn't do that. Street is too narrow to turn in that early.
Braking in corners on public roads is for slow riders who don't know how to steer the bike fast, so they destabilize the bike instead. For such rider, destabilizing the bike by lightly dragging brake makes it lean "fast." But that is very slow for a rider who knows how to steer properly. The riders who trail brake on street are slow.
In a race on a narrow track, like Isle of Man which is actually done on a street, there is very little trail braking.
The speed limit isn't some magical number that as long as you stay below it you'll be safe. Trail braking isn't always about being faster - it's about being more precise. It's about getting the bike pointed towareds the exit. It's about being prepared for the unexpected and having a plan before every corner to deal with anything that might change. It's about riding the motorcycle the way it was designed to be ridden.
@@CanyonChasers The speed limits in the US are set to produce no more than 0.3 lateral g's in the tightest part of the corner. Decent street tires can handle 1.2g's in good conditions, just for reference.
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Here's a video that shows the good, safe line for street cornering. If you have the ability to make this kind of line, you don't need to brake all the way to the exit to be safe. If the corner tightens up, you will be able just lean the bike deeper, because you left yourself space to do that.
But to make this line at higher entry speeds, you need to lean the bike very quickly. If you can't do that, you have to enter slower and you need to turn in earlier. And you get too close to the inner edge of your lane, before you can see your exit. This is one of the reasons some riders are safer to brake longer in their corners.
Thats a very good video, and I really like his channel, but even by his own title, it's an incomplete picture. Part 1 of how many parts?
Lines are very important, but on the street we don't always have the luxery of the ideal line for specific g's - and what if there isn't a corner advisory speed sign? Then what do we do? We need to take a multi-faceted approach.
To your point "just leaning more" "quick/abupt tip-ins" and to a lesser degree; "tipping in early" We can get away with those kinds of moves when we aren't going very fast or when we have lots of grip. Our approach at CanyonChasers is to focus on techniques that work in ideal conditions but also work when things aren't quite so perfect. Our focus isn't on how fast we enter corners, how fast we are in the corners - our primary objective is to get to the exit of the corner.
@@CanyonChasers You are indeed helping a lot of riders with this particular video. But it's not why you think it is.
You are one of the riders who almost quit, because you can't quickly steer your bike. A lot of riders can't. For you guys, you need to turn in early and slower. At a higher entry speed this puts you on a bad, early line. You then need to decelerate until you get back to a safe position. You say it yourself, you use braking to get the bike pointed in the right direction. If you knew how to quickflick, the bike would be pointed in the correct direction from the beginning of the corner and all the way through, with only the minimal amount of corrections needed as the corner develops.
I don't have to guess about this. I know you can't quickflick. In addition to your backstories about running wide and constantly being afraid of corners and not keeping up with your mates? You had a video where you criticized a course that tried to teach you to quickflick, and you kinda bashed it, saying it was scary. The teachers equated the quickness you can lean the bike with how good a rider is. And you said that was stupid.
Some riders don't have your problem. They can flick the bike fast. They learned how. They are not scared. And they know it's not stupid. You will never know why I'm right and you're wrong about almost everything you say about trailbraking in this video, because you can't make good lines.
But there are lot of you who can't, so you trail brake everywhere. So you kinda have to trail brake like a racer, but not on purpose. It's just your best option, because you can't do the better one.
A good racer or rider would utilize a late quickflick in most street corners, especially the blind ones where they can't see all the way through from the start. No matter even if he takes it at 5mph slower than the speed limit, he will still quickflick in order to have the largest possible safety margin of view, options, and traction leftover. To this rider, it would be scary to turn in too early.
Now at 5 mph under the limit, he'll only have to lean the bike 20 degrees, so the "quickflick" won't look like much. But that 20 degree lean will still be actively created late and crisp/quick.
The reason this is important is your videos are giving the wrong idea to the riders who can make good lines. Some will watch this vdideo and try to add trailbraking when they shouldn't. Adding braking will make these riders less safe. To this rider, braking doesn't make the bike steer quicker, it makes it slower. It only makes steering quicker to riders who can't quickflick.
Could someone expand onto how much throttle input is given when trailbreaking?
Is the throttle off, or is it a maintenance throttle, while trailbreaking?
Throttle is 100% off. We never overlap throttle with front brake.
"in slow out fast". All the while observing everything especially the surface and asking yourself "what if." ...
Do brake and throttle overlap each other at any point?
Nope. Never. It's one of the very few hard and fast, absolutes in riding. We never, ever overlap throttle and front brake. You can, however, overlap throttle with some rear brake in some situations.
Awesome video 😎
Amazingly put..
i learned this over time Hes not wrong by trying to get too 55 degrees of angle and hitting the pegs once i got used too speed control it changes the way it move's and its way safer too