The Final Days of Austria-Hungary
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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0:22 USA ended up signing separate peace treaties with the Central Powers due to the fact that the senate didn't ratify the Paris Peace treaties as it objected to the US involvement in the League of Nations and it saw not ratifying the peace treaties as an effective way of objecting to that.
1:22 Even though I say 8th of October in the video the formation of the council happened over the course of 3 days from 5th to 8th hence I put it in the video before the announcement of the formation of Poland on the 7th.
2:30 In this federal system exclaves of German speaking populations in the Empire like the ones in Romania or Hungary were suppose to have autonomy within their respective federal country.
5:02 Ok so I made a dumb mistake here, I sadly caught it too late to fix it. 28th of October after Czechs proclaimed their independence they also announced the formation of Czechoslovakia. However, this was announced a day later in newspapers like Pilsner Tagblatt, no.296 (29 October 1918) and so I accidentally put the announcement of Czechoslovakia on the 29th even though it happened a day prior. However, you could argue that Czechoslovakia didn't exist just yet as it was the 29th of October that the Slovaks meat in Martin with the intention of declaring independence and proclaiming unification with Czechia in to the state of Czechoslovakia which they did a day later on the 30th as I stated in the video.
6:34 Stjepan Radic was the only member to vote against sending a delegation to Serbia. He argued that even just sending a delegation would be a bad negotiating tactic with Serbia and that even before sending the delegation they should decide on how the new state is going to be governed and if that's not successful not join Serbia. So he technically wasn't against the unification like I said in the video. He was more of a realist ready to support the unification if the deal was good but if not than he argued it shouldn't happen.
6:43 The Banat Republic was only officially recognized by the Hungarian Republic and acted more of as a local autonomous council of the new Hungarian Republic rather than a state of its own.
7:09 2nd not 2sc but yeah sorry my grammar is terrible.
7:45 Villa Giusti Armistice
Point 1.4
Armies of associated powers shall occupy such strategic points in AustriaHungary at such times as they may deem necessary to enable them to conduct military operations or to maintain order.
Point 3.3
Special commissions will be selected by the commanders in chief of allied and associated armies on the various Austro-Hungarian fronts, which will immediately proceed, accompanied by the necessary escorts, to the places they regard as the most suitable from which to control the execution of the provisions established above.
8:42 Louis Franchet d'Espèrey the French commander in charge of the Belgrade negotiations was said to particularly cold to the Hungarian embassy.
11:00 Romania reenters the war on the 10th of November not 9th.
11:51 The allies actually had decided that the generals were not allowed to negotiate more than just military matters during the time the negotiations took place but decided not to tell the generals in Belgrade (or the Hungarians) that they can't do that until the armistice talks were concluded. It was never stated why.
12:22 It wasn't actually the entire Hungarian parliament who signed it but representatives of the parliament who acted on behalf of the Hungarian parliament.
12:50 The demarcation line in the south was as shown going through Pecs, however, the Yugoslav troops weren't actually allowed to occupy the border Hungarian cities like Pecs but they occupied such cities anyways.
13:50 The demarcation line in Slovakia will be pushed further into Hungary twice in the next two weeks and so will the Romanian line, however, I will talk about these demarcation line changes in my Trianon video.
14:10 The break away eastern part of the Lemko Rusyn Republic became known as the Komancza Republic.
15:35 Some extra information that didn't fit on the screen.
-Ruthenia was disputed between the WUPR and Hungary, although Hungary was the one in control in the majority of the area.
-Lemko Rusyn Republic was struggling to defend against Poland/Polish Liquidation Committee and it can be argued it never was able to become fully independent.
-Slovak Demarcation zone at this point was set a bit north of the current Slovak/Hungarian border.
-Austria also claimed Burgenland along with the Sudetenland but this was firmly controlled by Hungary until the Trianon peace treaty.
I will talk further about all these new political entities and the events following January 1919 in the two follow up videos.
Video scripts with all my sources are available for free on my Patreon- www.patreon.com/mlaser
This is part of history where almost every nation will argue because of many minorities, provinces,...
U should definetely make ottoman version of this video,nice content dough
@@neptuneseye7832 OU yeah I definitely expect some ultra nationalistic commenters yelling at each other. Specially once the Treaty of Trianon video comes out. That one is going to be spicy.
Slovenes and Croats rioting for being treated badly by Sebrs
Italians getting mad for not getting Dalmatia and Rijeka
Hungarians and Romanians arguing over Transylvania
And the list goes on
I wonder who will start
M. Laser History and I expect that two weeks after relese of this and next two videos we get every salty nationalist comment on your twitter.
"yeah I think we did a good job stabilizing the balkans"
-allies in 1918
For like 20 years.
"yeah, I think we did a good job preventing a future world war."
-allies at Versailles
@@Whatareyoudoinnhere That is Croat fault, but we didn't have much choices anyway.
@Shaving Pvt. Ryan After that many conflicts they at least somewhat solved their problems. It is not like the Germans triggered the Second World War.
All of those countries should have been annexed by Luxembourg
That is all thanks to Germany and particualry their emperor-kaiser Wilhelm II. It is they who wanted both world wars to start. And even after that, first german intervention (as a part of Nato) in foreign country after WWII was in Yugoslavia-Kosovo.
Austria-Hungary: "Herr Deutschland, I don't feel so good"
It was called Austria-Hungary, but majority of citizens were slavs. Joining with German Empire, ruled by Wilhelm would solve that "problem". If they won the war.
Herr Deutschland:
Me neither.
Ivan Březina tbh, defining all of those people as Slavs kind of takes away from each of them being their own cultures. They don’t always get along, as one can see by Yugoslavia. Anyway, the majority of Austria Hungary wasn’t Slavic, and the nation would have likely given more freedoms and representation to the minorities if Franz Ferdinand wasn’t assasinated. Actually, if it weren’t for Hungarian resistance to the idea, Austria likely would have given them those rights way earlier.
Ivan Březina tbh, defining all of those people as Slavs kind of takes away from each of them being their own cultures. They don’t always get along, as one can see by Yugoslavia. Anyway, the majority of Austria Hungary wasn’t Slavic, and the nation would have likely given more freedoms and representation to the minorities if Franz Ferdinand wasn’t assasinated. Actually, if it weren’t for Hungarian resistance to the idea, Austria likely would have given them those rights way earlier.
@@ivanbrezina7632 and Hungarians?
succes of the Germans in world war 2?
turns out the real austria-hungary was the friends we made along the way.
lmao
Like Bosnia, and Bohemia.
Lol
Austria-Hungary will be always in our hearts.
Btw they had really good looking flag.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 The same for us, Gefürstete Grafschaft Görz und Gradisca !
Mr Germany I don't want to go
Tom Draper Germany holding back tears as he holds Austria Hungary in his arms and watches Bulgaria and Ottoman Empire disintegrate around him.
@@menschman1464
Tbh turks got the best deal out of all central powers. Proven by the fact that they didn't even consider joining ww2. Sure they had to fight for years and there was way too much bloodshed but the end result was worth it.
@@briaormead4239 still bro, those once huge beautiful empires is now gone... 😭😭😭
1939: Germany snaps fingers and brings back the boys
@@briaormead4239 The Ottoman empire was falling apart anyway so there was no need to be hard on it
Boy, that escalated quickly.
I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
Austria-Hungary was called the "Prison of Nations" and part of it was in the Balkans, which was called the "Boiling Cauldron". So no surprise there ;)
@ Artur M. , Oh boy
@@rudikockas2575 maybe in a parallel universe ;)
@@rudikockas2575 Under habsburgs yes, under hungarians not so.
hundreds of years of careful habsburg political maneuvering and tactful marriage, gone in a couple of months
It was inevitable. You know what they call it? A ethnic prison
It's was a miracle that it lasted for so long.
@@marjanp I think not lol, it's just war.
@@tituspullo9768 lol yes. What pervs
@Polish Hero Witold Pilecki greed greed greed. The Vienna that Poland defended, then turned against it. There are many evil empires, but the worst are those who are traitors, that being Austria.
Habsburg Family: *"Look How They MASSACRED MY BOY"*
I don't know, they were massacring their own gene pool pretty strongly themselves.
@@krupam0 You are just jealous because your mud genes aren't as refined as their gene pool. A Habsburg is the habsburgiest a Habsburg could ever be! And they have the chin to proof it.
Well tbh , the austrian side was still okay , it was the spanish side which continuously intermarried and as result we got Charles the 2nd of Spain
@@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer And you a a slave gene.
dont worry about Habsburgs... they did well after the war... just switched to normal politicians... the mentioned Otto Habsburg was a member of European Parliament for 20 years... and as a big supporter of eastern european states' EU membership he practically reunified his old empire in the EU :P
Austria-Hungary is fascinating. Not merely a historical anachronism, but a deeply underappreciated part of European culture and history. At least in America.
How about you keep it that way!
@@gtafan9584 this is why you can't have an empire where no one speaks the same language and also they hate eachother
@@amanaje4743 the big hatred started with the Trianon Dictatum.
@@sandorgyenge5600 na akkor ess neki újra annak a történelem könyvnek...
@@amanaje4743 worked for a long time tho. We should not judge only from a modern standpoint with nation state borders. This didnt exist back then and the sentiment was different. AH did not collapse because of language.
Girls: Why don't boys understand our signs? They're so simple!
Their signs:
I’m a girl and do not get why people think we’re complicated
@@daniellewilson8527 you don't understand because it is too complicated.
@@daniellewilson8527 male and female brains and other biology is different. its a proven fact that girls can see more facial expressions and other body language than boys can, the subtleties are just not recognized by our brains.
that and different hormones is why boys think girls are complicated.
"Herr Wilhelm, ich fühle mich nicht so gut"
- Kaiser Karl, probably
*mir ist schlecht
I understood that reference.
"What could go wrong in 20 years?"
It's both funny and sad when you think about it how an Austrian man in both wars (the dumb Conrad von Hotzendorf and Mr. Schmitler) is responsible for millions of deaths and the loss of centuries worth of acquired territories of Hungary, Germany and Austria in the span of 30/40 years or so.
@@firstnamelastname-uw6vq Was he? In the end many if not most citizens of the Monarchy were fed up with it. Also in the German speaking parts (because they felt to have been sacrificed for the dynastic interests of the Habsburg family, many would've preferred to become part of Germany - it was a feeling of: "If all others have their national state, why cant we join ours?" This was even true for most Austrian Socialists).
The war just invigorated a sentiment of pride for a short period of time in the beginning. After that the different national feelings kicked in again.
For everything else: www.corbettreport.com/wwi/
@@wolfgangkranek376 I read this comment multiple times and I don't know what are you alluding to. Conrad von Hotzendorf was a really dumb general. Energetic but dumb as a general. He wanted for Austria to annex Serbia, even though Austria had enough internal problems with its minorities and the last thing they needed was few million serbs in it too. He pressured Franz Josef to declare war on Serbia and overall pursued an expansionist policy before the war. The only person who really knew what evil he was, was Archduke Franz Ferdinand. One he got shot, Conrad literally took over the country. And I can't even start to talk about his blunders that rivals Cadorna's and the insane Enver Pasha's winter campaign. He was the last person who wanted a dissolution of the Empire, but he was so stupid that he was the main cause for its fall.
@@wolfgangkranek376 Also I am not saying that the dissolution of the Empire was a bad thing, finally some of the different nationalities got their independence, but what I am saying is bad for the Hungarians who had to leave the territories where they were more numerous, but after the war were given to the neighbors and the millions of people, ordinary people conscripted to fight and die in the Autumn's mud, in the Carpathians in the fields of Ukraine and in Serbia just because of some insane person who was so sure of himself, but he was so dumb to be the one to command the armies of the Empire.
A lot it turns out
"Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened." -Franz Ferdinand probably
LedosKell dr seuss
Сварог Ahah,another one who listens to propaganda from the Entente.
@King Victor after you stole 60% of our country,we don't love you !
@@98TrueRocker98 you're an uncharacter slav. convertit ,smuggler of facts...you have "zhar" on your eayes ! 🇧🇦🇷🇸👍
@@98TrueRocker98 so we werent the victims in ww2..?
This was outstanding. You even included Lemko-Rusyn Republic. What I mean by that, not even many people Know about Ukrainian Republic declaring independance after WW1, so Western Ukrainian Republic and Lemko-Rusyn one is like, barely known even in Eastern Europe.
Most excellent!! Maps, images and facts and all that in a chronologic order. Subscribed!
Yes indeed
Yes. Agree. Hadn’t seen the channel before.
apology for poor english
when were you when Austria-Hungary dies?
i was sat at home eating wiener schnitzel when telegram ring
‘Austria-Hungary is kill’
‘no’
Cri everitim
Tru tragedie
'Austria-Hungary is dissolve' would be better
@@triflomastera4882
’joke is kill’
’no’
Do not want! Begone words!
“Do as you please” that hit hard
Poland: "This is our territory!
"
Hungary: "This is our territory!"
Romania: "This is our territory!
"
Czechoslovakia: "This is our territory!
"
Yugoslavia: "This is our territory!
"
USSR: "Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!"
ah. USSR - when this bloody civil war is over we will export the revolution!
And....? All taket back the territory
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Yugoslavia was not part of the eastern block after WW2, so...
@@eddiewrathchild2016 But it wasn't all A-H territory either
everyone is lying, it has always been Hungarian territory
This is so sad
Can we plan the 13th battle of the Isonzo River?
Ferenc József bátyám! Még mindig él?
@@thegoodgoat4653 igen még mindig XD
He said: Franzis Joseph. Brother! Are you alive?
Yes I'm still in the land of the living my brothers
Parents: Why you crying so damn loud
Me:
This is satisfaction 😂😂😂
@@assassinscreedgameplays4059satisfaction at seeing Hungary mutilated far too harshly and unfairly?
One very important part you skipped however, is that the German republic of Austria had many claims on Slovene lands which led to rough fighting between Yugoslavia and Austria. Slovene general Rudolf Maister eventually managed to secure lower Styria along with Maribor and annexed it to yugoslavia. Yugoslavia also occupied most of Carinthia along with Klagenfurt, but that area was later given back to Austria after the Carinthian plebiscite in 1920.
He talks about this in his Treaty of Staint-Germain video.
Btw fun fact, Czechoslovakian state, as we understand it in law university, mightve happened on 4-5 separate occasions, depending on who you ask. and our first president Masaryk, did not consider the date, we now celebrate as our national holiday of founding of Czechoslovakia as THE day.
Yeah there where truly way too many, proclamations, recognition, re-proclamations, etc.
Austria-Hungary: Implodes
....
A-H Minorities: It's Free Real Estate!
Mr. Kaiser, I don't feel so good...
long live the austo-hungarian empire...*dies*
5:02 Ok so I made a dumb mistake here, I sadly caught it too late to fix it. 28th of October after Czechs proclaimed their independence they also announced the formation of Czechoslovakia, it wasn't the 29th as stated in the video. The proclamation of Czechoslovakia was announced a day later in newspapers (like Pilsner Tagblatt, no.296, 29 October 1918) and so due to this I accidentally put the announcement of Czechoslovakia on the 29th even though it happened a day prior. After that it was the 29th of October that Slovaks meat in Martin with the intention of declaring independence and proclaiming unification with Czechia in to the state of Czechoslovakia which they did a day later on the 30th as I stated in the video.
I feel particularly dumb about this mistake hence it gets its own comment.
To be fair, the majority of Czechia was only notified of what happened on the 29th. So *akchyually...*
Thanks for your hard work, as always.
tfw you get your own lands history wrong lol, great vid as always
you should pin your comment, cause it's not on the top of the comments
Hanba hanbúca
6:33 if you translate Stjepan Radić to English it means Steve Jobs
More like Steve Working but ok i get it
Lmao
🤣👍
Isnt Stepjan, Stefan etc. Stephen?
Hungary to Austria: I will be independent!
Austria: wait, you cant do this.
Hungary: i can
Minorities in Hungary: we will be independent!
Hungary: o shit
"Minorities"
maghiars are a minoriti in Austroungaria in 1914.
It hurts, but it’s true😅
@@justandrew9_9Romanians majority in Transylvania, Slovaks, Croats, and Bosnians were minorities when separateley compared to all hungarians in Hungary
@@rarescevei8268 Few days after Armistice, Romania Attacked Hungary.
Imperial Coffin Dance, with Czechoslovakia Poland Romania and Yugoslavia as the pallbearers.
Basically Serbia instead Yugoslavia.
Thumbnail = after Thanos snapped.
Austria-Hungary: "I Don't Feel So Good."
Thanos= The Allies
I haven't watched a video so detailed with every nation in a while. Keep up the good work and thank you for such high quality video.
you gotta be kidding me. 2 days ago i just passed an exam on Czech and Czechoslovakian law history. This had some information that could've improved my grade ffs XD
What grade you got?
@@barnvandiebos9070 2nd semester on charles uni in prague
@@barnvandiebos9070 oh, my bad, i misunderstood your question after reading it briefly xD i got B+
At least you got a B+ :)
@@marekctvrty B+ is a 9 right? We work with numbers when grading, but that's still a nice grade tho
As I have commented seversl times before on your other videos. Thank you for your hard work and the effort you put in all your videos. You have a talent at sticking with facts and nicely packaging things together concisely. Thank you, I always look forward to whatever historical adventure you put together and explain.
Me: *scrolls through comments in search of insightful discussion about the topic presented in the video*
Everyone else: *insert unfunny overused meme here*
Typical to all such short summaries of popular history. The creator puts/uploads a well researched piece presented in a simple way. Millennials spam the comments section with a blend of useless mem's, comments starting with 'my great aunt was the cleaner of the Polish liquidation committee and I disapprove this', or just ranting about the fact that 'they hide that episode in history in school. I grew up in Sri Lanka and the teachers never told us about the 3-day lasting 'Peoples republic of east Trans-Guvna' back in 1919. Thank you youtube'.
Your videos are always great, but... damn, I’ve never seen something so confused made so clear. Fantastic job, man!
You work so hard why dont you have more subscribers :(
Good question :) ...
@@MLaserHistory I absolutely know you will! ;)
@@MLaserHistory I'll be honest. I just can never be bothered lol
M. Laser History I just subbed, nice work.
I love chaotic messes like this in history, thanks for bringing light to such an unknown time.
Thank you for such a thorough explanation of the breakup and transformation of Austria-Hungary. In history classes all of this was usually glossed over and you were suddenly shown a new map with new countries that seemed to have magically and harmoniously appeared overnight.
right ..... 1. i love how in all maps of Great Hungary is present the Adriatic cost :))))))))) 2. Is interesting how the 1 December when more than 100K representatives of Romanians from Transilvania and Banat gathered to Alba Julia/ Gyulafehérvár voted to unification with Romania. However you pointed out that this is a Austro-Hungarian centric
perspective
Really appreciate lighting of this short but very interesting and important time period and border changes in this time, great content, wait to see more.
to think all of this happened within the span of a couple of months is astounding
Great video, very informative and concise. Also I love your maps/animations & voice over. Love from Serbia.
Really, a well done and necessary video, thanks for making it !
Such detail, very impressive! Good job, absolutely loved it!
About the name Polish Liquidation Committee: its English name is a bit misleading. Its original name meant exatly Poles (in this case: people of Poland) who formed a committee in order to liquidate (the Austro-Hungarian rule in the area)
sounds like a neo-Nazi punk band
This was really fascinating.
Thank You :)
Definetely your best video yet. It goes very in-depth and I love you provided the dates!
Boom another history channel to binge. Love ya! keep spreading the word brother!
Ottoman Empire: "There was no other way" *dissolves*
Well, we only dissolved from Arabian peninsula, it was a shit show.
Sudo Throttle Now greece is orthodox : ) not muslims
@@NovaPtl technically they also took most of anatolia and left you with like ankara and trazboson or whatever that black sea city was and a small, iraq-sized country and you just said "nope" and kicked everyone else out
It's the saddest thing I ever heard
Top 10 Saddest Thumbnails of All Time...
Great work dude! Also a great timing for the 100th anniversary of Trianon.
Thank you for the effort you put into this
Very nice consolidation of a very confusing time for Central Europe. Your graphics are particularly helpful. Thank you. I am doing a little personal study of this, just because Central Europe between the two wars seemed like an interesting subject.
Okay, I think this is the best video showing the mess that was happening at the end of the Great War in the Habsburg Empire. I knew it all was a mess but I didn't know it was *that* messy. Really great video and I'm looking forward to the next ones. Good job!
Thank you for covering this part of history, well done!
Nah, szervusz
Excellent video. Thank you very much and congratulations
This is by far the most depressing video I've seen in a long time.
@Serbon Resurrected A federalized Austria-Hungary would have sold so many problems, and not have left room for Hitler's expansion.
@@nunodossantos3362 yeah I also wish that we ended up as a federation :(
@Serbon Resurrected Care to elaborate?
@@nunodossantos3362 could you remind me how WW1 started? Austria-Hungary couldn't have existed any longer the way it used to unless you mean Austria-Hungary minus Slavic nationsand there territor~es?
Great history lesson. Thanks!
Extremely well done video about a fascinating time in history! 👍
Brilliant! Such a crazy period of history.
Charles: Guys it’s fine you can all go! *Cries a little*
Awww I love the title and I m so happy she will never exist:)) From Romania! Love to Trianon!
What will never exist?
Excellent overview of this mess. Thank you for this very informative video a pozdrav z Moravy 😉
Great job. Very informative
Perfektné video
!!!
Awesome vidoe, its gonna get a lot of views for sure. The map and animations and text. Everything was so good. One common mistake though: Romania gained some territory from Bulgaria in 1912 (they lost it in ww2) but you show the current border between them.
Yeah so did Serbia (later to be known as Yugoslavia) gain some small territories from Bulgaria but I am already tracking so many other things that I figured I will only focus on the border changes that deal with Austria-Hungary specifically.
România gained the south Dobrogea from Bulgaria in 1913,not in 1912.It was after the Second Balkan War, finnalised with the peace of Bucharest.Bulgaria regained this territory from as in september 1940.This territory is known in Romania like " Cadrilater" wich was formed by 2 romanian county, Durostor and Caliacra.
very much like the maps/animations. made it very simple to follow all that info
Thank you for this excellent video on European history. Very informative.
Allies dismantled one multi ethic choatic state and replaced it with another one that being Yugoslavia. Which was very disunited until Tito came to power.
Very good video. We always think of the Austrian part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Yet, the Hungarian part really suffered the greatest negative consequences of the break up. The Treaty of Trianon is still regarded as a national humiliation.
@@TheGrejp What are u talking about? The 1/3 part of the hungarian population stucked out of the new border. For instance almost every significant transylvanien city (Arad “Oradea”, Kolozsvár “Cluj npoca”, Arad etc..) had hungarian majority (above 80-90% of the population). In Pozsony (Bratislava), only the 10% of the population was slovak in 1920. The city had 0 slovak caracter, there is no sense reason why became this city the capital of Slovakia. And be hungarian in the newly formed countries was far more worse as be slovak, romanian etc. in the old Hungary. But i suppose u are romanien. Even today u study nationalistic bullshit tales in the school, for instance the hungarians drunk the blood of the newly born romanian infants, and u have been living there tens of thousands of years because u are daciens, romans, etc. Its a nice story, just based on 0 historical evidence. Its a shame that in the today europe a country can be so brainwashed sovinist as the modern day Romania.
@@TheGrejp Croatia and Austria was basically the only countries with no significant hungarian population (other than Osijek). We never really had any claims on the lands of today's Croatia, and was the least oppressed of them all with the most rights. More than 3 million(!!!) hungarians found themselves living in a different country, and that number is even more shocking considering it was in 1920. If you think that was not a national humiliation knowing we didn't really have a choice about the war, since an heir was murdered meanwhile Serbia knew all about it, it was obvious Austria was never gonna let that go, then be sure to explain what you would you call that.
@@TheGrejp Not gonna lie, magyarization was cruel, it was kind of a bitter last try to save the borders of the kingdom after the minorities became the majority during the centuries, still didn't work, and you guys even had to deal with the serbs after all that. You are completely right about the economical differences, but in the long run it becomes completely irrelevant compared to the demographical damage. An economy can develop in just a few decades to completely different levels (like it does happening in today's Croatia since joining the EU) , but ignoring the demographical map while drawing new borders can force millions of people speaking a different language to be stuck outside of their country for possibly forever until no one is left, which has been pretty much the case for those hungarians so far. For example, 32% percent of Transylvania was hungarian in 1910, by the time of 2011 it was only 18, so you probably get my point. During the second WW some of the older territories were given back to Hungary taking into account the demographics (it took the damn nazis to make it happen), which was probably the best chance for ending this debate once and for all, but of course it was ignored once again by the 'liberator' and 'saviour' allies. No rational people ever wanted the old borders back, all we ever wanted after 1918 was not to be ignored and humiliated, and call a treaty 'fair' and 'reasonable' which forced 1/3rd of the population to live in a different country. That's why it's a national humiliation and can have one of the most fatal effects on a nationality.
In the name of most of the hungarians and I can pretty much tell you croats are one of our most respected and liked neighbours, if not the most. Personal union is something what a lot of croats blame on us, but it's something you can't do anything about. The same thing happened to us and the Habsburgs, that was the custom. On the other hand we fought against the turks for centuries, share historical heroes like Zrinski, etc.
Returning to the topic of the economical problems, which more likely had the biggest impact on Croatia was joining Serbia like you told so, not the effect of the treaty. Croatia joined Serbia before that due to the pressure from the italians. Who knows what would have been the best step for Croatia in the long term, even today it's difficult to predict, since none of those looked outstandingly beneficial.
@@TheGrejp There have always been ultranationalists and unfortunately will always be, especially under these type on videos. To be honest, in the case of the monarchy falling apart there were much more winners than losers. The fact that many nationalities suffered before all that is undeniable, but when people here talk about who suffered more that applies to the treaties and the break up itself. Naturally, Hungary and Austria were held responsible for the loss of the war thus paid the most, some other newly formed countries or other nationalities might have felt some negative after effects, even heavier ones, but those just simple cannot be compared to the payment which Austria, and especially Hungary had to pay, - and in addition to those mentioned above - economically as well. Both of the industrial revolution went down inside the older borders, although it was somewhat centralized still the loss was immeasurable after the country was divided into 5 pieces.
Under a topic with a complexity like this, most of the time everyone is busy trying to prove their point ignoring other opinions and experiences. I agree with most of your points (eventhough existence for the hungarian minorities - especially in Romania - was unbearable under the communist rule due to the unlimited national discrimination, EU is only a recent thing) , and truth to be told anyone with a healthy amount of brain cells is able to see the bigger picture. All I was trying to say since the beginning is although multiple nations were going through tough times, unfortunately Hungary was the biggest loser of them all.
@@TheHunHarcos In Bratislava was only 10 % Magyar populations too. 80 % of populations were Germans.
So interesting and well done thanks
Love your videos
Remarquable explication sur les négociations très compliquées de 1918 qui restent douloureuses encore en 2020 pour notamment la Hongrie ....Bravo pour cette vidéo!
"Civitas Fortissima" (the bravest city) the city what picked up the weapons against the invaders. After 4 year of massacre and death , that city , Ballasagyarmat , for one last time went to battle.
Subscribed! Such a well made video!
Great videos!
"i'm dying call a doctor!"
Franz Joseph 1916
-Charles: I will no longer perform administrative duties
-Congress: so you abdicate?
-Charles: no, I'm still the Kaiser, but will not..
-Congress: It's a Republic!
-Charles: wait, I didn't say..
-Congress: behold the new Republic!
Awesome video and animation. Your content is extremely high quality, thanks :D
Kind of Harry and Meghan of Sussex
Great information about a confusing time
2:43
anyone else wish Hungary was able to keep the borders of Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen ?
it just looks so much more aesthetically pleasing
Awesome video! Just a heads up, in the hungarian language (with very few exceptions) both the letter "j" and "ly" are pronounced like "y" in "yeah"
Read this if you're interested in this topic: "An Undiplomatic Diary: By the American Member of the Inter-Allied Military Mission to Hungary, 1919-1920" . It's pretty hardcore.
Very accurate video, good job!
Can I ask you how do you generate the borders on the map?
My Gott, The Editing Is So Cool!
I stayed at the Hotel Trianon in Bucuresti once
Imagine the emperor just watching the collapse of the empire...
It was a fake artificial empire either way, this is why it crumbled so quickly.
What his words were near the end "Do as you please "
@@paulungureanu937 Hungary and Austria’s borders were all tied to natural barriers.
It’s about as artificial as the UK’s borders.
Holy cow, my head blew up trying to keep up with this......
There is a small detail that i was missing in the vide about the Villa Giusti Armistice. You mentioned that it went into effect a day later. This small mentioned part did cost a lot of lives, territory and made lots of soldiers to prisoners of war to italy: While negotiating, the Austrian delegation in italy was allowed to use telephone to ask back to vienna. Until they signed. After they signed, the italians cut the line, and added a few apendices! One of them was that the thing would take over 24 hours for the italian side to take effect. (They claimed it would take that long to reach the front line) During the negotiations this was never mentioned nor agreed upon. Both sides were talking about an armistice that takes effect immediately after signing. So the Austro-Hungarian side shortly after signing stopped fighting as they thought was agreed upon, while the italian side jumped on the opportunity to go into an offensive, capture soldiers and territory as much as possible during the 24 hours of time they had.
*HUNGARIA-POLAND-CZECHIA-SLOVAKIA*
Don't worry about the brothers from Hungary! Today we are much bigger and stronger we are V4 Vysegrad group! Our country has also shrunk in borders, but in reality we are much bigger! Greetings to the brothers from Hungary, Poland and Slovakia!
I know that our history has not always been pretty, but despite all that, we have many more of those nice moments in history and we can build on them! I hope that Western Europe will one day be sensible and proud of itself and its history, and that it will learn from the mistakes of history, but when I see in the news how it destroys the Churchill statue, I want to cry!...
I honestly enjoyed the video a ton and I appreciate all the work put into it. I just wanted to point out that in the final map Romania should have been shown to be in control of Southern Dobruja after the war, as that region was returned to the kingdom of Bulgaria after the Treaty of Craiova in 1940.
I agree with you.Romania had the southern part of Dobogea between 1913 (Treaty of Bucharest) and 1940 after the Treaty of Craiova .
Thank you! It's an excellent piece of work. The only, and very minor, problem I found was that the First Hungarian Republic existed in 1848-49, so it was the second one being declared after the war.
The Hungarian revolution of 1848 and the accompanying political entities were never recognized nor very well centralized it has therefor never been called a republic in any historical context.
That is why every history book calls the First Hungarian Republic the 1918 Karolyi regime.
@@MLaserHistory then suddenly *kun Béla noises*
Amazing video! This is the content that I love this channel for.
This time period can be resumed in just three words: a complete clusterfuck
I cried throughout watching this video
Very sad times indeed.
I like, how chaotic and fast it was. With a little bit of sarcasm, it was funny as hell 😂
treaty of versailes be like:
germany: bro, i lost all of my colonies and got alot of sancti-
austria hungary: *AAA-*
I’m not crying...there’s just something in my eye...
Well done. Thanks.
the Treaty of Trianon day is a free day in Romania for workers now (4th june) , to celebrate that day ,recent was a law gave by the current president in charge , Klaus Iohannis , a romanian citizen and ethnic german... this is quite ironic somehow :)