Socrates is a master class in how you put it on people in conversations and debates 👍 If this convo happened today on FB on social media Euthyphro would of blocked Socrates in defeat 😂
Thank you for this reading!! I am in a philosophy class and I have eye-tracking issues that make it especially difficult to read text where words are in a way I wouldn't intuitively put together. Having the audio playing while I read let me read what I needed to read in 30 minutes instead of 2 or 3 hours :) thank you
You are very welcome. I have found the AudioEbooks to be the best way to take in difficult information like Plato. It causes the mind to be super focused having the two mediums of text and audio together. I’m glad it helped you to read Plato! 🙏
It was written to be read aloud, to be digested and analyzed by groups of thinkers, to stimulate lively debate among them, generating deeper consideration.
That middle section had me, i was like... wtf is Socrates saying?!?! I had to stop and re-read that a bunch of times. Also, coming in clutch for the reading!
Socrates spoke in circles in my opinion. If a dog is a dog and a cat is a cat, but the gods argue over what is a cat and what is a dog, is a cat really a cat and is a dog really a dog. Socrates logic.
He is using Euthypiro's logic, but honestly Euthypiro should have doubled down and claimed that the pious are so insofar as they are god-loved, and not that the god-loved are so insofar as they are pious. Divine voluntarism would ultimately defeat Socrates's avalanche.
These are great, I find it hard to listen to a dialogue without reading it at the same time (my guess is you found the same in the past). So thank you enormously. Also a side note to the actual dialogue I love the irony of what is about to happen at ~10:09
Wow such a good idea to both read and listen to this at the same time! This story dialogue to me tries to investigate the abstraction of piety (the form of it). They try to find the correct chain of causation (is it loved because it is good or is it good because it is loved?) by using logic through axioms they agree on. I can totally see how logic formalisms came from these kind of conversations. Just exchange "piety" with P, "loved by the Gods" with L and "God-loved" with G. Then use some symbols to denote relationships between these objects and try to math out this whole conversation. I think you will clearly discover the contradictions. Absolutely beautiful but very hard to keep track of every part in the head like these 2 had to do. I do think there is an objective morality but I don't know whether it's a human morality or if it's universal, whether it changes its expression determined by temporal and spatial elements. I think the starting point would be whether it benefits life with as goal for life to keep going regardless if the universe we inhabit seizes to exist. If the universe comes to an end, the moral thing would be to create a new universe for life to go on. But I don't know whether it matters if it is life like we know it, with DNA and such, that needs to go on or that life can take many forms. I do know that we want it to be possible to evolve into sentience since morality can't be observed by non sentience and what can't be observed, does it exist?
Socrates loved those promising guys he discussed with. He created a training method to overcome the intellectual perucracy imposed by the goverment at the time. We see him here, quickly giving Euthyphro a taste of what he is about to face and have to overcome. although, some will say how socrates figured out how fundmental, yet hypocratic Euthyphro is; deciding that the accident(of his father) is a crime to be reported to the gov, whereas the real crime(of the dependant) was not reported to the gov.
Euthyphro really doesn't know what piety is, that's why he can't give Socrates a straight answer. Sounds a lot like the internet people today lol. Seeming to know everything but can define nothing.
Exactly right! And they would likely ‘cancel’ Socrates today if he asked them too many questions. In the Republic Socrates describes himself as a gadfly, not allowing the Athenians to sleep…
You cannot find a consensus among all the gods. You will always find some gods in favor of a crime and some gods against the very same crime. It is the job of society to dictate what is allowed and what is not allowed. If that society follows a Christian God then it's a Christian view of good and evil. If the society is Muslim, then it will have a Muslim view of good and evil. You must obey the laws of the society you find yourself in or else meet the fate of Socrates.
The dilemma is simple - Plato was testing his students. If a hard test is coming up, will you get the grades that are Earned or cheat(No one will ever find out)? The option you choose will reveal a lot about you So if you are up for a job or a promotion, do you want the job because you worked hard & are the best qualified for it (Goodness is intrinsic, God finds it good) & so the boss likes you for who you are as a person OR You get the job or promotion because the boss takes a liking to you?(It is good because the Gods like it) Basically the latter is what happens in Corrupt & Communist countries In such countries the best qualified doesn't always get the job or the promotion - it goes to the best connected Christianity & Islam use these Corrupt methods to drive conversions - works are not enough - ie you are the best qualified but not enough buddy - you must pray to the "right" God - ie you must have pull from a higher-up Amazing that such sick religions are the top ones today Shows that when it comes to morality and ethics it is still Might Makes Right
@@adamya1639 what? This has nothing to do with knowledge - Christianity/Islam are simple religions that made God in the image of the master of the past - the king/dictator Ancients living under kings/dictators envisioned a similar life after death A King like God sits on his THRONE in the heavens Heaven is his KINGDOM to get in one must get down on ones knees, beg, grovel & swear eternal loyalty to this master & master alone That was the life they had & that was the life they envisioned Think Russia or North Korea today! If you wish to live in these countries you better learn to praise the "dear, loving master" And these are the top religions of the day! Your answer shows how even highly educated people can be this easily brainwashed, clinging to primitive ideas that make no sense today
Socrates loved those promising guys he discussed with. He created a training method to overcome the intellectual perucracy imposed by the goverment at the time. We see him here, quickly giving Euthyphro a taste of what he is about to face and have to overcome. although, some will say how socrates figured out how fundmental, yet hypocratic Euthyphro is; deciding that the accident(of his father) is a crime to be reported to the gov, whereas the real crime(of the dependant) was not reported to the gov. about religion, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. it is hard to tell wether you are talking about Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed message or about the vicious agenda of the occults of zionism, crusadism and wahabism disguised in Abrahamic clothings. Plato teaches us to call each thing by its proper name, remember.
Euthyphro: it’s fine. no one would remember this in a few days
*camera pans to Plato smirking in the corner*
I imagine that Socrates was a headache to have a conversation with.
Ha ha. Yes, he most definitely was. Especially if you thought you knew something…
I imagine anyone his companions found discourse with him very stimulating and exciting. There's never a dull moment.
Socrates is a master class in how you put it on people in conversations and debates 👍 If this convo happened today on FB on social media Euthyphro would of blocked Socrates in defeat 😂
@@Andy-B1984he seemed decently good-spirited compared to some others
thats part of the reason why many were against him in court
bro this dude was putting his dad to trial he has a lot on his mind already
'See Socrates? This is what we're talking about. *This* is why people want you dead'
Poor Socrates was left on read
Thanks for this once again
Thank you for this reading!! I am in a philosophy class and I have eye-tracking issues that make it especially difficult to read text where words are in a way I wouldn't intuitively put together. Having the audio playing while I read let me read what I needed to read in 30 minutes instead of 2 or 3 hours :) thank you
You are very welcome. I have found the AudioEbooks to be the best way to take in difficult information like Plato. It causes the mind to be super focused having the two mediums of text and audio together. I’m glad it helped you to read Plato! 🙏
It was written to be read aloud, to be digested and analyzed by groups of thinkers, to stimulate lively debate among them, generating deeper consideration.
Euthyphro DESTROYED by facts and logic
There is no opposing a logical and factual argument that is well developed by Socrates.
Lewis Kirk it’s a fact euthyphro don’t know shit about piety
That middle section had me, i was like... wtf is Socrates saying?!?! I had to stop and re-read that a bunch of times. Also, coming in clutch for the reading!
That part had me laugh out loud.
Fr these niggas was on some other level
Socrates spoke in circles in my opinion. If a dog is a dog and a cat is a cat, but the gods argue over what is a cat and what is a dog, is a cat really a cat and is a dog really a dog. Socrates logic.
He is using Euthypiro's logic, but honestly Euthypiro should have doubled down and claimed that the pious are so insofar as they are god-loved, and not that the god-loved are so insofar as they are pious. Divine voluntarism would ultimately defeat Socrates's avalanche.
Socrates isn't making any argument so it's not right to accuse him of this.
These are great, I find it hard to listen to a dialogue without reading it at the same time (my guess is you found the same in the past). So thank you enormously. Also a side note to the actual dialogue I love the irony of what is about to happen at ~10:09
You're welcome! It is without doubt the best way to take in the information as fully as possible! I'm glad you find therm valuable! 🙏
Plato was fucking hilarious.
24:09 okay, I should drop the class :v
nel pastel
🤣🤣
yeah, that part's definitely a bit of a brain-fuck
And here I am listening on 1.5x speed. I guess I chose my major correctly lmao.
Socrates never grew out of the two year old "whyyYYYyy?" phase. 😂
And was a wiser man for it.
Wow such a good idea to both read and listen to this at the same time! This story dialogue to me tries to investigate the abstraction of piety (the form of it). They try to find the correct chain of causation (is it loved because it is good or is it good because it is loved?) by using logic through axioms they agree on. I can totally see how logic formalisms came from these kind of conversations. Just exchange "piety" with P, "loved by the Gods" with L and "God-loved" with G.
Then use some symbols to denote relationships between these objects and try to math out this whole conversation. I think you will clearly discover the contradictions. Absolutely beautiful but very hard to keep track of every part in the head like these 2 had to do.
I do think there is an objective morality but I don't know whether it's a human morality or if it's universal, whether it changes its expression determined by temporal and spatial elements.
I think the starting point would be whether it benefits life with as goal for life to keep going regardless if the universe we inhabit seizes to exist. If the universe comes to an end, the moral thing would be to create a new universe for life to go on. But I don't know whether it matters if it is life like we know it, with DNA and such, that needs to go on or that life can take many forms. I do know that we want it to be possible to evolve into sentience since morality can't be observed by non sentience and what can't be observed, does it exist?
He really does just end the dialogue without a satisfying answer huh
He sure does! But I think the tools are within the dialogue to help us work it out.
aporia
Maybe Euthyphro was hasty to leave because he got what Socrates just taught him.
Socrates and Plato where there is fear,there also has to be courage. If you don't know the opposite how would you know the other?
Good point. He talks about the opposites at the start of the Phaedo to. How pleasure is always very close to pain.
"I do." - Euthyphro
If im being honest this seems like a satire taking a stab at Socrates more than a real question of the subject of piousness
Socrates loved those promising guys he discussed with. He created a training method to overcome the intellectual perucracy imposed by the goverment at the time.
We see him here, quickly giving Euthyphro a taste of what he is about to face and have to overcome. although, some will say how socrates figured out how fundmental, yet hypocratic Euthyphro is; deciding that the accident(of his father) is a crime to be reported to the gov, whereas the real crime(of the dependant) was not reported to the gov.
And then Socrates died
Spoiler alert bro
Thanks
21:30 my brain trying to load this.
Amazing thinkers
They surely were! 👍
Well read. Thank you.
My pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it 🙏
clutch
Socrates prevents Euthrypho from committing the impious act of prosecuting his own father.
Euthyphro really doesn't know what piety is, that's why he can't give Socrates a straight answer. Sounds a lot like the internet people today lol. Seeming to know everything but can define nothing.
Exactly right! And they would likely ‘cancel’ Socrates today if he asked them too many questions.
In the Republic Socrates describes himself as a gadfly, not allowing the Athenians to sleep…
thank you very much
You are very welcome 🙏
25:19 isn’t even necessary to be recorded by the original author lmao. It’s just Socrates clowning on the other guy yet Plato includes it
You cannot find a consensus among all the gods. You will always find some gods in favor of a crime and some gods against the very same crime. It is the job of society to dictate what is allowed and what is not allowed. If that society follows a Christian God then it's a Christian view of good and evil. If the society is Muslim, then it will have a Muslim view of good and evil. You must obey the laws of the society you find yourself in or else meet the fate of Socrates.
thank you
Hey. You are most welcome! Be sure to check out the rest of the Platonic dialogues on the channel. 👍
this was beautiful lol
Glad you could see the beauty in it. 🙏
is this jermaine clement?
The translator? It is G. Grube.
@@lewiskirk8289 i was joking ;)
Ha ha. Went right over my head. Obviously. 🙈
@@lewiskirk8289 he is a famous hilarious actor from gentleman broncos, flight of the Conchords, legion, what we do in the shadows
euthyphro got destroyed
Everyone always gets destroyed. 👊
man Socrates has a mouth
The dilemma is simple - Plato was testing his students. If a hard test is coming up, will you get the grades that are Earned or cheat(No one will ever find out)? The option you choose will reveal a lot about you
So if you are up for a job or a promotion, do you want the job because you worked hard & are the best qualified for it (Goodness is intrinsic, God finds it good) & so the boss likes you for who you are as a person
OR
You get the job or promotion because the boss takes a liking to you?(It is good because the Gods like it)
Basically the latter is what happens in Corrupt & Communist countries
In such countries the best qualified doesn't always get the job or the promotion - it goes to the best connected
Christianity & Islam use these Corrupt methods to drive conversions - works are not enough - ie you are the best qualified but not enough buddy - you must pray to the "right" God - ie you must have pull from a higher-up
Amazing that such sick religions are the top ones today
Shows that when it comes to morality and ethics it is still Might Makes Right
True, but it can be said that all religions limit the spread of knowledge, some just more strictly than others.
@@adamya1639 what? This has nothing to do with knowledge - Christianity/Islam are simple religions that made God in the image of the master of the past - the king/dictator
Ancients living under kings/dictators envisioned a similar life after death
A King like God sits on his THRONE in the heavens
Heaven is his KINGDOM
to get in one must get down on ones knees, beg, grovel & swear eternal loyalty to this master & master alone
That was the life they had & that was the life they envisioned
Think Russia or North Korea today!
If you wish to live in these countries you better learn to praise the "dear, loving master"
And these are the top religions of the day!
Your answer shows how even highly educated people can be this easily brainwashed, clinging to primitive ideas that make no sense today
Socrates loved those promising guys he discussed with. He created a training method to overcome the intellectual perucracy imposed by the goverment at the time.
We see him here, quickly giving Euthyphro a taste of what he is about to face and have to overcome. although, some will say how socrates figured out how fundmental, yet hypocratic Euthyphro is; deciding that the accident(of his father) is a crime to be reported to the gov, whereas the real crime(of the dependant) was not reported to the gov.
about religion, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. it is hard to tell wether you are talking about Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed message or about the vicious agenda of the occults of zionism, crusadism and wahabism disguised in Abrahamic clothings.
Plato teaches us to call each thing by its proper name, remember.
Poor audiobook 🤦
Go buy a book then
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