@@thomasloyal4525 agreed. loved how johnny actually yells out heads up to let you know where the enemies are coming from. even gives you a pep talk in the elevator. what a choom ✊🏾
Ight hear me out. Why not let Johnny take over the body, create a biochip with V's engram on it, slot it into Johnny's new body, and wait until he takes it over, just like Johnny did in the first place. Basically an uno reverse card. It's the answer
Here's my explanation: The biochip completely corrupted V's genetic material to accommodate Johnny's engram (Alt and Hellman/Takemura explain this), so who knows what kind of consequences there are when doing it a second time on the same body. Because the only chip that can store and insert engrams was damaged, there wasn't an available place to store V's engram once Alt consumes Mikoshi. If they were to have a second Hellman-made chip, they could slot V's engram in a dead Arasaka soldier or something, but that doesn't sound like something good V and Johnny are ok with, let alone your romances. Because V was shot in the head, it's likely that Johnny can't operate independently without the chip either since the chip fulfills the missing brain matter's functions, meaning there can be no spare port to store V in a biochip. To even produce an accommodating body from scratch would take years even with Arasaka tech. They even explain this when you take the Devil ending. You could be stored inside Mikoshi until they come up with a solution, but you would abandon the relationships you made along the way. Alt and any rogue AIs or freed engrams had to retreat behind the Blackwall anyways to avoid Arasaka or Netwatch, so it's not like they could stay in Arasaka's subnet forever using their machines until they make a new chip with Hellman's plans or body or something. Alt's control over Arasaka's NC headquarters would have been brief at most and she had her own interests at heart.
Ok so here is the thing from watching all the other ending videos. Johnny's Chip altered V's Phenotype, why Yorinobu and others are successful is because the chip is still going into someone with a close phenotype to match the body. That's why it had to be Yorinobu that gets taken, and it's obvious they haven't made cloning yet or this would story would be essentially useless. Basically Johnny's Chip is special (probably because it's a prototype) because it is an infection rather than the new ones that just does not register if not compatible.
Imagine the burden of living knowing that a person you liked, gave his life for you and you still have to see her face every day in the mirror, and have to hear her voice whenever you speak. This ending is very sad.
I went with this ending and was satisfied after finding out it had to be V or Johnny. I went with Johnny because V was most likely still going to die. Atleast this way Johnny has a second chance.
Btw, I think most of the people missed this - > There is a connection point (or pc i can not remember) in jungle. If you use pc, while you were in jungle, there is an option "turn on music" in pc menu. If you turn on, johny/V uploads and "chippin in" start to plays in whole tower's speakers, while you are in combat at the mean time. That was awesome And Rogue says "you are really smug bastard" hahahaha and combat starts...
I love how there is still crowd voices in the background despite her telling everyone to leave. I am just imagining everyone has crammed themselves in a back room because they want to eavesdrop.
Bouncer: well nix?! What’s she sayin? Nix: calm down! You know she drapes her booth in ICE and jammers. It’s takes time Claire: this is the best day ever
Both voice actors for V really are fantastic, nuanced in subtle, different ways. But female V wins it for me in the emotional moments. The way she says “Don’t forget me” just hurts, so much.
I think most of the people missed this - > There is a connection point (or pc i can not remember) in jungle. If you use pc, while you were in jungle, there is an option "turn on music" in pc menu. If you turn on, johny uploads and "chippin in" start to plays in whole tower's speakers, while you are in combat at the mean time. And Rogue says "you are really smug bastard" hahahaha and combat starts...
The secret ending is the best ending, because despite V becoming an asshole obsessed with their desire to be a legend, nobody else dies. Rogue doesn't get knife handed in the chest, Saul doesn't get curb stomped, and half the Nomad vets don't get murdered. Sure, it hurt like hell to know that you lost Panam/Judy/whoever, but it was the right choice. It was a mess V got themselves into, and it's a mess they should pull themselves out of. Jacky would have been proud.
I was bummed to see there was no "Magician" ending, where you'd take the deal from Hanako, but midway through the mission choose to betray her, and do your own thing. That's what I tried to acomplish, instead I got the "Devil" ending.
Rogue is supposed to die because she is a pawn of Arasaka. It's better for the world to have both Rogue and Smasher dead and Yorinobu in charge of Arasaka because he has a sense of justice.
Disagree hard. The Aldecaldos ending is clearly the best one. It's the only one with hope left in it, the only one where you don't have to give yourself to Johnny or simply expect to die. While Saul and the other nomads dying is unfortunate, one could argue that his death is ultimately good for the Aldecaldos in the long run with Panam now having uncontested leadership as compared to sharing with Saul whose overly cautious stances were causing the Aldecaldos to stagnate. Additionally they all willingly joined in knowing they could die so it's not like they were simply murdered. Ultimately it's the only ending with the unequivocal promise of something better.
@Turaglas True. Before I found out about the secret ending, I actually chose the suicide option. The game/Johnny had been hinting heavily throughout the story that if you brought your friends up against Arasaka, they'd probably get decimated. I just didn't want to see that happen, especially since you dug yourself into such an extraordinary hole. And I didn't feel like I'd done enough for the nomads to accept help from Panam. Guess I just got attached to all the characters. Second playthrough I let Johnny take the body after going with Panam's help. And third playthrough I went with the secret ending on the hardest difficulty. In my mind, always felt like the secret ending should have always been an option at ANY time after you get Alt's program.
My favorite path to the ending, it ties up Johnny's story perfectly specially when you choose to give body back to V, it shows him mature and deal with fact he's long dead happy he had chance to met his old friends and have his last concert. Even Rogue's end even tho brutal fits her story perfectly, she once left her friends to die by making deal with corporations and now she died trying to help someone survive it's really good in my opinion. I just wish this this path would lead to ending where V doesn't lose hope and keeps fighting just like Johnny fought for them, i'm not talking about happy ending but something like Nomad ending but in Night City, they could really just alter dialogues in casino ending making it look like V does the job to get help from Mr. Blue Eyes instead of doing it because they have nothing to lose.
Since I believe they will go for DLCs set after the ending I think this ending or the nomads one are the only two that make sense. The other endings don't have anything open about them. At least this one and the Nomads you could see content being made. Heck this one if the Heist with Blue Eyes goes well go set up a DLC where V goes to help the Nomads in Arizona since they told him they're heading there. It's gonna be a mess for the devs to make every thing fit with all the little variation in that each endings can have but if there are story writters that can pull it throught it's definitely those at CDPR!
Who knows. Perhaps Mr. Blue Eyes' "end of the bargain" is some sort of help for V's condition. It's heavily implied Mr. Blue Eyes isn't a mere human (or at very least, he's involved in much weirder stuff than Saburo's "Secure your soul" - namely, with certain A.I. that attacks you during Peralez storyline).
Mr. Blue Eyes seems to have ties to entities like Alt. Given that she was able to do for V/Johnny what Arasaka couldn't be bothered to do, it's quite possible that V's space heist might lead to a cure via Blue Eyes' associates. It ties up all the stories neatly like you said: Johnny matures, Rogue gets to make up for her past, V makes it to the Big Leagues, Misty's tarot reading(i.e. the word of the devs) suggests that V becomes a legend, etc.
Honestly every ending does, I got the “good one” and still you don’t really change anything. Arasaka still has power and you just leave with 6 months to live.
@@Dubz759 That's the grim, dark undertone the game gives as a whole imo, in Night City everyone sets out with big dreams in mind and plans for changing the world, but after all, you're only human. And humans are weak and small. There's nothing you could do cept for saving yourself, and even so you might not be that good at it. Nobody wins ever, no matter what ending you got because there wasn't meant to be a winner in the first place. V lost in his own game when he died the first time, and so did Johnny. You lost in the very start and there was no chance for redemption in the first place. The only thing that you were able do was to seize the moment, get your one last chance to shine and go out before you turned to ash, and they did it. And that's all that matters.
@@Dubz759 Nope, Arasaka is fucked. Thing is, because of your attack on tower, Arasaka lost its popularity, big chunk of stock price and most importantly soulkiller with all diagrams, including Saburo's. Yorinobu now have a chance to take company down for good. If you listened to radio at the end of Johnnys ending, Yorinobu tries to purposely start a war with Militech to end Arasaka.
@@EATSFALCONPUNCHThere’s a dialogue choice at the start of act 3, in the mission tapeworm where you tell Johnny that when the time comes, V will give his/her body to him
in this ending V is going to die in 6 month in their body, while alternative is to live forever as a digital construct, i can see the appeal of this option
Depending which life path and ending you choose V let’s Johnny know that if there’s no cure he or she will loose the will to continue living for the last 6 months. Which is very depressing for the main protagonist
I really enjoyed the writing in Cyberpunk despite the bittersweet endings. It offered a great interpretation of how you wanted to view Johnny and it even reflects in the endings. This ending is my 2nd favorite. It started with him being an antagonist, something who wanted you dead and to replace you. Then the story develops and it becomes unsure of what he actually wants, a friend who wants to save your life? Or just your personalities merging? Then it drops the bombs with him of what happened in his life and what Arasaka did to him, development into a friend who just wants to save you because he hates what's happening himself. Whether you end up as V or Johnny, I'm just glad they end up honoring the others name in this ending.... ps... anyone who sold their soul to Arasaka and betraying Silverhand has no heart.
@seth Also in the nomads ending misty's tarot reading only says positive things, so who knows maybe they find something. Would be cool to see in a DLC if that was the case.
My only regret in not taking the Arasaka ending is Takamura calling me a shithead then killing himself. I wish there was a way to please everyone, but sadly there isn't
Absolutlety ! My thoughts are they could spin off while v and johnny are still combined or they could have us choose at the start of the add on which ending we want cannon for our game and continue the story.
both of these endings leave me feeling sad, either no one knows what happened to v or everyone thinks v is a big shot that forgot about them and doesn't care about their friends anymore.
Genuine sadness for Rogue's death. Other than that this ending is perfect, Johnny and Rogue settled their past and revenge Adam Smasher, V becomes the legend. Hope this is not the cannon, I want Rogue live.
I don't get why V is pissed when Johnny denies her offer to keep the body. She calls him a lying sack of s***, but like how is he a lying sack of s*** here? Also she says the same thing when he just straight up takes the body.
Might possibly be a bug even. I watched one of the endings where V's friends call him and one of the voice mails made absolutely no sense. They said something that wasn't accurate with the ending.
It depends on what you said at a hotel in Pacifica when Johnny gave you his friends dog tag. If V said yes about taking bullet for him and still Johnny wants to give up and pass the control to V’s body to V, he/she will be totally mad and V will say that he lied and that wasn’t the deal. Maybe xLetalis chose here option like “what question is it” or “I don’t know”. So that’s why V here calls him a lying sack of shit. He became V’s friend at the end, so I guess that’s why V reacts like this even if he/she doesn’t give Johnny a proper answer.
Yeah I got this ending and was genuinely lost when that bit of dialogue came in, just left me confused thinking Johnny was going to take over the body when that wasnt the choice I had made then V took his own body back and Johnny was gone after all
It's simply a bug, because when you do the Aldecaldos ending you enter the well to keep your body as V and in this ending it's vice versa. It probably occurs, because you gave Johnny your body, so he could go into Arasaka Tower with Rogue and entering the well as Johnny is "keeping your body", that means he will keep it. Hope you understand xD.
I was so invested in Rogue and Johnny’s relationship even more than my V’s first time I played the game. I loved their dynamic. This freaking game, man.... characterization is top notch.
I love the little Hitman easter egg while Rogue brief you as a Diana about the way of attack. It was very late i know but it was the moment i have noticed they are voiced by same voice actress.
Kinda feels like the ending dialogue was mixed up. V's reaction to Johnny staying behind seems like it would be more appropriate if he was taking the body. Even in Johnny's ending he references the 'don't forget me' line. Even the image of the person left behind when you go into cyberspace doesn't make sense.
But I get this dialogue too. V was turning into Johnny Silverhand, plus she was just told she has 6 months to live. Remember when she talks to Alt about what lies beyond the Blackwall you can choose to say one of two things: life beyond the blackwall gives her hope of eternal life, or you can say something about survival at all cost is not worth it. Imagine you wanna live, and you wanna go beyond the blackwall instead of dying a slow death of 6 months. Then it makes more sense to call him a lying sack of shit. He promised to save you and he deltas not exactly having delivered? Plus on the other hand it's still complicated, he might disappear, v doesn't want him dead. Doesn't wanna part either. All that wrapped in one you could imagine such a reaction... But bottom-line is it's patched.
If like this best would be secret Suicide mission so Rogue lives at the end. Also if you go with good Panam ending seems V is able to live past expiration date with her...also just awesome ending that feels like win win for everyone.
This was the ending I chose, and I’m so glad I did. It seemed to fit my game the most - my V and Johnny had a strong friendship by that stage and it felt right to let him take the wheel and have his final moments finishing off Smasher in Arasaka Tower (where it all began).
when i played it the first time i chose temperance, it just made sense. johnny had a lifetime while, while i had 6months, but what made me change my mind was seeing panam get torn up about it.
This the ending I went with on my first playthrough. The Dialogue with Rogue on the plane,the music,Weyland's Mad Laughter as we crash into the building. I wish there were more missions like this.
The best part of Rogue ending is her conversation with child. She kept cool, but she knew exactly this is her last call, because her past catched up with her.
It's really tragic how bad night city really is. I seen every mission and I know how fucked in the head some people get there, but hearing Rouge having a son, and she's still doing a mission where her life is on the line. All to make amends and confront her own demons. She knew she might die in this run, but she still chose to do it. Even though she had someone who she cared for, outside of all this mess. Night city really does just suck people dry.
I really think that they wasted this ending. It's epic, bittersweet and gives an emotional conclusion to the journey of the two main characters. But then you wake up in the mansion and discover that the game has made a lot of choices on your behalf. You don't get to choose whether to leave NC or remain, even if there's nothing to stop you. The game doesn't do justice to what V has accomplished, it seems more like "Rogue's dead, now you will be the boss, I guess...". On top of this he is framed like some sort of sore loser that must still prove something because of reasons and leaves for a suicidial mission, lonely and bitter. In my opinion it would have worked much better if they had given the player the ability to choose between your loved ones and your dreams, if they had shown the amazing feeling of reaching your objectives after many costly sacrifices, if they had shown the will to live and fight until the very end. I have the feeling that the devs didn't want to have one good ending so they tried to make every one of them artificially worse than what they could have been.
From the games perspective you decide whether or not to leave Night City and move on by deciding whether or not you want to be a Nomad and live their lifestyle. If you go for Arasaka you sell out for safety. If you go with Rogue/Johnny it's because you want to be a Night City Legend
@@cyberninjazero5659 I agree that's what the devs wanted to do, but when you choose the emphasis is put on who you trust and want to put in danger not on the lifestyle you prefer. But it doesn't change the fact that at the end you are depicted like a pathetic guy. I have more a problem with how the last bit of the story is set up. They don't do anything that builds up to this decision, a promise to Johnny, a sudden change of heart of Panam or something like that. You wake up and your character will just not leave even if asked...
that's the genre, there are no good endings in night city. The true moment to decide is on the rooftop only, but I kinda like it - I didn't chose help from Panam, because I was worried sth might happen to her. If you could decide at the end it'd undermine the gravity of the rooftop decision.
@@michalslusarski the Nomad ending is actually pretty good, especially if you leave with Judy. The devs tried to make it worse by killing a bunch of guys and by making Panam sound distant in the voicemail. But nobody cared for those and the voicemail feels a lot like an afterthought. Plus if you're with Judy has a lot less weight. On top of that the atmosphere is much more positive. Also, I don't think bad endings are a cyberpunk trope. Instead I think happy endings in general don't really work in most stories. However, emotional and thought-provoking conclusions must be constructed properly otherwise they just feel unfair. And I just think this ending feels very unfair...
@@reibin4085 lol that's literally the point of the story my dude. The city is the antagonist, you don't win anything by climbing to the top, you're meant to feel hollow, empty because hey guess how you're gonna feel sitting on a throne upon a tower of corpses and false promises. There is no happy ending by staying in the city. The entire game, from the oppressive atmosphere to the many, many examples of people "trying for that big break" and failing miserably every time. You literally only become "legend" by dying. By going for the top you've completely stopped trying to save yourself, and if you've romanced anyone, they can tell you've given up, Judy straight up breaks up with you lol. Straight forward "happy endings" don't exist in this story, in this universe, because hey, under our current capitalistic hellscape, they sure don't either.
Despite popular opinion, the ending with V taking that one “last job” is my favorite. He/She have almost run out of time, and they plan out to go out in a blaze of glory, just like the game kind of alludes to with Dex at the beginning of the game. Other than that, hopefully DLC expands on these endings a little bit more
update to that here: unfortunately, CDPR has confirmed that the story is completely finished and there won't be a continuation of it. There will be DLCs which contain their own stories, which have nothing or only a little bit to do with mainstory. Very sad about this tbh. I like all the endings, each of them conveys a heavy hitting, huge message. But atleast give us one perfect ending, where atleast V get's to live out her whole life and does not only have 6 months. Maybe even an ending where Jhonny gets a new body. I'd pay for that dlc, bigtime.
I love this ending. Through out the game I refused to murder, drink and smoke my attitude towards me and others were always in a positive light, so giving Johhny a body really made me realize he had learned a lot and if he could teach that to others... Wow makes my sacrifice worth it. This is the way!
The way they remixed “The Rebel Path” during the entire bomber flight was just SICK. Haven’t beaten the game yet but I’m sure doing the Temperance ending instead. Even though this one already wins for me
V's VAs and Keanu's delivery in this ending part was fucking amazing and heart breaking. When he says "For FUCKS sakes Alt!" and just... the entire thing was so good. He's able to channel the same anger and futility the player feels. This has completely destroyed me emotionally. "You're my friend V..." *Insert Keanu sobbing meme*
I've chose to stay alive since I have a gf and amazing friends n ppl that care about me, I'm sorry johnny but you and rogue had your time... meet in paradise.
"Arasaka Tower's a fortress, the most secure building in Night City. Walking in through the front door just isn't an option." HAH, unless you don't fear the reaper. Yep, I love this line right here. Meaning Rogue WAS the best, V's the new best. And V's the new flame that consumed Johnny's hate. Meaning V x Johnny forever alright? (Don't mind me, I am a little obsessed with the potential of this non-couple.)
This is why I like V staying in the real world - Mr Blue Eyes mentions will to live, I think whatever the heist is can either prolong life or outright cure V.
Rogue always being too nice to Johnny. She cares about Johnny, She loves Johnny, being Jonny's babysitter while he messing around during mission, although Johnny already cheated on her for multiple times before broke up with her. Rogue still miss and think of Johnny everyday after having kids with others. She's really a good woman in night city
I find it rather odd that Alt or Johnny or V ever came up with the idea to stabilize the chip and have Alt reprogram the nanites inside to compensate for deteriorating neural function and create a separate directory construct for Johnny to live in where the two could coexist and share control at will.
@@Deon4769 yeah while I loved Female V voice actor more often then Male V, here specially Male V takes the cake he had way more anger in him. Female V nails quiet emotional settings like Jackies bit....that got me
Mr. Blue Eyes has the same voice actor as Mitch of the Aldecaldos. I watched the video while playing a game and was like... wtf Mitch is not supposed to be there. Maybe Mitch is controlling Mr. Blue Eyes. Mitch, the genius behind everything! :D
Nah Johnny finally got to rest, he didn't choose to be "engram'd" / soulkiller used on him by arasaka, and with V tearing down Arasaka finally it's a suiting closure for the silverhand story.
Exactly I want more of her backstory .. I kinda understand why she says " she's not who she was before" at the drive in .. like I was like wait what she had a son
I don't know about the wrist but if someone impales my lungs with giant metal claws, I don't I think I would be able to let out much of a grunt, let alone a scream.
WEYLAND BETTER BE A COMPANION in dlc and hella more missions with him and since the end of this game can be played over and over and differently , definitely new endings or secret ones would be crazy
Here's a playlist with all the different endings and epilogues: ruclips.net/p/PLMpNwDjXWh0y2vWc0wTNuqBzt9caIskd3
Can I continue normally after I choose jonny?
Rogue: "Walking in through the front door just ain't an option"
V & Johnny: "Hold my Relic"
V: "you underestimate my power!" *Anakin voice
honestly storming arasaka solo is so awsome !
@@thomasloyal4525 agreed. loved how johnny actually yells out heads up to let you know where the enemies are coming from. even gives you a pep talk in the elevator. what a choom ✊🏾
@@symbolic503 Also how it starts with him saying "Time to party like it's 2023"
I know, right?! Fuck yeah! 🖤
Ight hear me out. Why not let Johnny take over the body, create a biochip with V's engram on it, slot it into Johnny's new body, and wait until he takes it over, just like Johnny did in the first place. Basically an uno reverse card. It's the answer
yeah, sadly even if you do the Arasaka ending, nobody ever comes up with that idea
Here's my explanation:
The biochip completely corrupted V's genetic material to accommodate Johnny's engram (Alt and Hellman/Takemura explain this), so who knows what kind of consequences there are when doing it a second time on the same body. Because the only chip that can store and insert engrams was damaged, there wasn't an available place to store V's engram once Alt consumes Mikoshi. If they were to have a second Hellman-made chip, they could slot V's engram in a dead Arasaka soldier or something, but that doesn't sound like something good V and Johnny are ok with, let alone your romances.
Because V was shot in the head, it's likely that Johnny can't operate independently without the chip either since the chip fulfills the missing brain matter's functions, meaning there can be no spare port to store V in a biochip.
To even produce an accommodating body from scratch would take years even with Arasaka tech. They even explain this when you take the Devil ending. You could be stored inside Mikoshi until they come up with a solution, but you would abandon the relationships you made along the way.
Alt and any rogue AIs or freed engrams had to retreat behind the Blackwall anyways to avoid Arasaka or Netwatch, so it's not like they could stay in Arasaka's subnet forever using their machines until they make a new chip with Hellman's plans or body or something. Alt's control over Arasaka's NC headquarters would have been brief at most and she had her own interests at heart.
Ok so here is the thing from watching all the other ending videos. Johnny's Chip altered V's Phenotype, why Yorinobu and others are successful is because the chip is still going into someone with a close phenotype to match the body. That's why it had to be Yorinobu that gets taken, and it's obvious they haven't made cloning yet or this would story would be essentially useless. Basically Johnny's Chip is special (probably because it's a prototype) because it is an infection rather than the new ones that just does not register if not compatible.
You missing something here. even if that works, that just a copy of V. the real one is dead
@@anho7266 well that would be the case with Johnny living on in V's body. Real enough for me
Imagine the burden of living knowing that a person you liked, gave his life for you and you still have to see her face every day in the mirror, and have to hear her voice whenever you speak. This ending is very sad.
Nomads ending is better.
Nagato in a nutshell
@@samuelbishop3316 this one is the best
I went with this ending and was satisfied after finding out it had to be V or Johnny. I went with Johnny because V was most likely still going to die. Atleast this way Johnny has a second chance.
@@Zireling in the nomad ending V goes looking for a cure with panam. So their is a possibility he found one with her outside NC.
The dual voice of v and Johnny.... Feels creepy.
i kinda like it
Not as creepy as Ciralt, the Geralt + Ciri fusion inside a brothel...
I think it’s dope actually.
Same, I love it. Female V and Johnny.
That particularly constellation is why i continued to play female V.
wished there were more rogue missions/quests to do, always loved her chemistry with johnny or even jus getting know her as V.
Yeah that's true
Btw, I think most of the people missed this - >
There is a connection point (or pc i can not remember) in jungle. If you use pc, while you were in jungle, there is an option "turn on music" in pc menu.
If you turn on, johny/V uploads and "chippin in" start to plays in whole tower's speakers, while you are in combat at the mean time. That was awesome
And Rogue says "you are really smug bastard" hahahaha and combat starts...
@@BEMRGL Wow Thanks For That Info
Did anyone know you can kill smasher before this even happens?
This game is like a time machine LOL
I love how there is still crowd voices in the background despite her telling everyone to leave. I am just imagining everyone has crammed themselves in a back room because they want to eavesdrop.
lol
Bouncer: well nix?! What’s she sayin?
Nix: calm down! You know she drapes her booth in ICE and jammers. It’s takes time
Claire: this is the best day ever
Both voice actors for V really are fantastic, nuanced in subtle, different ways. But female V wins it for me in the emotional moments. The way she says “Don’t forget me” just hurts, so much.
Nah bruh female v tries way too hard, it's not natural
@@Rigby350 acting will never be natural to real emotions.
@@SpiderDibs yeah but male v's voice acting is very realistic compared to female v's
@@SpiderDibsmale v sounds more natural you can tell female v putting up a false impression
@@mxsayian Play Female V witnessing Songbird wishing for death and keep saying that.
I really love how V's left arm looks with Silverhand's hologram. Kinda like a "phantom limb".
You have to get that arm in order for it to appear.
@@billshull9468not when Johnny is in control
More like Phantom Limberty, amirite?
I think most of the people missed this - >
There is a connection point (or pc i can not remember) in jungle. If you use pc, while you were in jungle, there is an option "turn on music" in pc menu.
If you turn on, johny uploads and "chippin in" start to plays in whole tower's speakers, while you are in combat at the mean time.
And Rogue says "you are really smug bastard" hahahaha and combat starts...
Holy shit that sounds epic I gotta try that
Lmao go guns blazing in style haha
Did it first time. Was epic and matching at this point.
Playing as Johnny and seeing V like they are an NPC is kinda surreal.
It really felt weird
Rogue and V/Johnny definitely banged in this ending
Is anyone doubting that? :)
@@xLetalis Panam?
The secret ending is the best ending, because despite V becoming an asshole obsessed with their desire to be a legend, nobody else dies. Rogue doesn't get knife handed in the chest, Saul doesn't get curb stomped, and half the Nomad vets don't get murdered. Sure, it hurt like hell to know that you lost Panam/Judy/whoever, but it was the right choice. It was a mess V got themselves into, and it's a mess they should pull themselves out of. Jacky would have been proud.
I was bummed to see there was no "Magician" ending, where you'd take the deal from Hanako, but midway through the mission choose to betray her, and do your own thing. That's what I tried to acomplish, instead I got the "Devil" ending.
Rogue is supposed to die because she is a pawn of Arasaka. It's better for the world to have both Rogue and Smasher dead and Yorinobu in charge of Arasaka because he has a sense of justice.
@@publicanimal Interesting counter point, hadn't thought it that way. Though I'm not sure how much control over Rogue Arasaka really had.
Disagree hard. The Aldecaldos ending is clearly the best one. It's the only one with hope left in it, the only one where you don't have to give yourself to Johnny or simply expect to die. While Saul and the other nomads dying is unfortunate, one could argue that his death is ultimately good for the Aldecaldos in the long run with Panam now having uncontested leadership as compared to sharing with Saul whose overly cautious stances were causing the Aldecaldos to stagnate. Additionally they all willingly joined in knowing they could die so it's not like they were simply murdered. Ultimately it's the only ending with the unequivocal promise of something better.
@Turaglas True. Before I found out about the secret ending, I actually chose the suicide option. The game/Johnny had been hinting heavily throughout the story that if you brought your friends up against Arasaka, they'd probably get decimated. I just didn't want to see that happen, especially since you dug yourself into such an extraordinary hole. And I didn't feel like I'd done enough for the nomads to accept help from Panam. Guess I just got attached to all the characters.
Second playthrough I let Johnny take the body after going with Panam's help. And third playthrough I went with the secret ending on the hardest difficulty. In my mind, always felt like the secret ending should have always been an option at ANY time after you get Alt's program.
My favorite path to the ending, it ties up Johnny's story perfectly specially when you choose to give body back to V, it shows him mature and deal with fact he's long dead happy he had chance to met his old friends and have his last concert.
Even Rogue's end even tho brutal fits her story perfectly, she once left her friends to die by making deal with corporations and now she died trying to help someone survive it's really good in my opinion.
I just wish this this path would lead to ending where V doesn't lose hope and keeps fighting just like Johnny fought for them, i'm not talking about happy ending but something like Nomad ending but in Night City, they could really just alter dialogues in casino ending making it look like V does the job to get help from Mr. Blue Eyes instead of doing it because they have nothing to lose.
Since I believe they will go for DLCs set after the ending I think this ending or the nomads one are the only two that make sense. The other endings don't have anything open about them. At least this one and the Nomads you could see content being made. Heck this one if the Heist with Blue Eyes goes well go set up a DLC where V goes to help the Nomads in Arizona since they told him they're heading there. It's gonna be a mess for the devs to make every thing fit with all the little variation in that each endings can have but if there are story writters that can pull it throught it's definitely those at CDPR!
My only question is...
Do you think her son is also Johnny's?
Who knows. Perhaps Mr. Blue Eyes' "end of the bargain" is some sort of help for V's condition. It's heavily implied Mr. Blue Eyes isn't a mere human (or at very least, he's involved in much weirder stuff than Saburo's "Secure your soul" - namely, with certain A.I. that attacks you during Peralez storyline).
@@cyberninjazero5659 Listen to music that plays when she talks with her son, its altered Johnny's theme. I believe its his son.
Mr. Blue Eyes seems to have ties to entities like Alt. Given that she was able to do for V/Johnny what Arasaka couldn't be bothered to do, it's quite possible that V's space heist might lead to a cure via Blue Eyes' associates. It ties up all the stories neatly like you said: Johnny matures, Rogue gets to make up for her past, V makes it to the Big Leagues, Misty's tarot reading(i.e. the word of the devs) suggests that V becomes a legend, etc.
i first picked Rogue's gun and then ended smasher with it.. felt right
man this game got me...I finished it yesterday and I couldn't sleep this night
cant wait for the DLC coming
when does it release
@@icenote1591hey
Imagine if there was an ending where v and silverhand could remain together and change personality on command.
Yeah, v would just control it with pills, who takes control and they could be holograms in their imaginations
This game sure is a wild ride.
I already got Johnny in v’s body ending and damn it was so depressing, it just makes you I don’t know sad or something.
Johnny feels lost, doesn't know what to do I think. But at least he gets a new beginning
Honestly every ending does, I got the “good one” and still you don’t really change anything. Arasaka still has power and you just leave with 6 months to live.
Lol atleast he gifts that kid an epic guitar and inspires him to be a rockstar someday
@@Dubz759 That's the grim, dark undertone the game gives as a whole imo, in Night City everyone sets out with big dreams in mind and plans for changing the world, but after all, you're only human. And humans are weak and small. There's nothing you could do cept for saving yourself, and even so you might not be that good at it.
Nobody wins ever, no matter what ending you got because there wasn't meant to be a winner in the first place. V lost in his own game when he died the first time, and so did Johnny. You lost in the very start and there was no chance for redemption in the first place. The only thing that you were able do was to seize the moment, get your one last chance to shine and go out before you turned to ash, and they did it. And that's all that matters.
@@Dubz759 Nope, Arasaka is fucked. Thing is, because of your attack on tower, Arasaka lost its popularity, big chunk of stock price and most importantly soulkiller with all diagrams, including Saburo's. Yorinobu now have a chance to take company down for good. If you listened to radio at the end of Johnnys ending, Yorinobu tries to purposely start a war with Militech to end Arasaka.
>Johnny proceeds to let V keep the body, sacrificing him
>"HOW DARE YOU. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ME IN, YOU OUT"
???
I thought the same thing, was really confused as to whether I was pursuing the 'V keeps the body' ending or 'Johnny keeps the body' ending.
@@EATSFALCONPUNCHThere’s a dialogue choice at the start of act 3, in the mission tapeworm where you tell Johnny that when the time comes, V will give his/her body to him
in this ending V is going to die in 6 month in their body, while alternative is to live forever as a digital construct, i can see the appeal of this option
Depending which life path and ending you choose
V let’s Johnny know that if there’s no cure he or she will loose the will to continue living for the last 6 months. Which is very depressing for the main protagonist
I really enjoyed the writing in Cyberpunk despite the bittersweet endings. It offered a great interpretation of how you wanted to view Johnny and it even reflects in the endings. This ending is my 2nd favorite. It started with him being an antagonist, something who wanted you dead and to replace you. Then the story develops and it becomes unsure of what he actually wants, a friend who wants to save your life? Or just your personalities merging? Then it drops the bombs with him of what happened in his life and what Arasaka did to him, development into a friend who just wants to save you because he hates what's happening himself. Whether you end up as V or Johnny, I'm just glad they end up honoring the others name in this ending.... ps... anyone who sold their soul to Arasaka and betraying Silverhand has no heart.
well said ;]
@seth sweetest ending, especially in the credits
@seth Also in the nomads ending misty's tarot reading only says positive things, so who knows maybe they find something. Would be cool to see in a DLC if that was the case.
My only regret in not taking the Arasaka ending is Takamura calling me a shithead then killing himself. I wish there was a way to please everyone, but sadly there isn't
Such a suiting ending for my street kid who just wanted to be an Afterlife legend! See y'al in the major leages chooms
Ok, may be it's just me.. but I thought that "Bastard Smasher!" line is terrible.
Not just you, Keanu's line delivery in that sequence was horrendous. The "ROGUE" shout part was equally bad.
yea... there are quite a bit of voice lines that could be redone IMO but if it stays its acceptable.
@@poxy1000 I dunno dude, i like Keanu but he seems to be the only one with terrible line delivery (I know he's not a good actor but come on)
@@kostasbiker9302 nah, hes not all terrible, just gos his moments, the VA that does panam could use a bit of work too.
@@poxy1000 Personally i loved female V's VA and Judy's VA most of all. However i still think that the VA in the game overall is really freaking good.
Despite everything, I’m excited for more. Especially if it’s anything like HoS and BaW, in the terms of quality.
Absolutlety ! My thoughts are they could spin off while v and johnny are still combined or they could have us choose at the start of the add on which ending we want cannon for our game and continue the story.
Try to go anywhere from the cementary (don't go to the bus). You will see, that "There is nothing more waiting for you. Yet..."
V and Jonny maybe the only one persons which was at each other grave
Now Johnny needs to learn how to deal with periods 😇
It's 2077, he'll find a way to get rid of it.
@@ThePlatineist is like this as an option now lmao
"Haven't forgotten a thing, never will" + music = tears in my eyes
both of these endings leave me feeling sad, either no one knows what happened to v or everyone thinks v is a big shot that forgot about them and doesn't care about their friends anymore.
Thats what I thought too! I hate it...
23:55 Gaunter O'Dimm is everywhere.. xD
Wish he made an apperance in game...
@@PolishGod1234 Maybe in The Dlc that would be cool or atleast we see cirael
@@bigsweatyballsack988 yep, i'm omnipresent
the actor who plays the cop at the beginning of the street kid lifepath is the one playing Gaunter.
19:49 gotta love how Johnny's theme kicks in.
That's a really bad way for such beautiful, 80+ year old granny to go away... :( (Yep - Rogue is that old)
damn she a GILF for real
@@alexwebb9124 Yes. And if you think Rogue is GILF, you should check out how old is Hanako. 78 and still looking lit. Just a bit bored.
Age doesn't matter in NC
Genuine sadness for Rogue's death. Other than that this ending is perfect, Johnny and Rogue settled their past and revenge Adam Smasher, V becomes the legend. Hope this is not the cannon, I want Rogue live.
Need to get suicide secret mission for Rogue to live.
apparently there is another ending that you and johhny invade arasaka solo and rogue doesnt die, I saw it in videos
@@amirhosseinetemad3094 thats the suicide solo secret mission.
@@tharengore7215 that’s not the only one she can live in the the devil ending with arasaka and the star ending with panam
I don't get why V is pissed when Johnny denies her offer to keep the body. She calls him a lying sack of s***, but like how is he a lying sack of s*** here?
Also she says the same thing when he just straight up takes the body.
Might possibly be a bug even. I watched one of the endings where V's friends call him and one of the voice mails made absolutely no sense. They said something that wasn't accurate with the ending.
Hmm, male V didn't say that when I played as far as i remember
It depends on what you said at a hotel in Pacifica when Johnny gave you his friends dog tag. If V said yes about taking bullet for him and still Johnny wants to give up and pass the control to V’s body to V, he/she will be totally mad and V will say that he lied and that wasn’t the deal. Maybe xLetalis chose here option like “what question is it” or “I don’t know”. So that’s why V here calls him a lying sack of shit. He became V’s friend at the end, so I guess that’s why V reacts like this even if he/she doesn’t give Johnny a proper answer.
Yeah I got this ending and was genuinely lost when that bit of dialogue came in, just left me confused thinking Johnny was going to take over the body when that wasnt the choice I had made then V took his own body back and Johnny was gone after all
It's simply a bug, because when you do the Aldecaldos ending you enter the well to keep your body as V and in this ending it's vice versa. It probably occurs, because you gave Johnny your body, so he could go into Arasaka Tower with Rogue and entering the well as Johnny is "keeping your body", that means he will keep it. Hope you understand xD.
I was so invested in Rogue and Johnny’s relationship even more than my V’s first time I played the game. I loved their dynamic. This freaking game, man.... characterization is top notch.
I love the little Hitman easter egg while Rogue brief you as a Diana about the way of attack. It was very late i know but it was the moment i have noticed they are voiced by same voice actress.
5:18 That quote. That damn quote.
"Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?"
Took out Smasher with a shovel. Closure I never thought I'd get.
Far Cry 5 flashbacks.
She's willing to follow Johnny to hell even after 50 years...Rogue is pure awesome.
Shes a hot sex worker.
23:54 XD I missed O'Dimm so much
Kinda feels like the ending dialogue was mixed up. V's reaction to Johnny staying behind seems like it would be more appropriate if he was taking the body. Even in Johnny's ending he references the 'don't forget me' line. Even the image of the person left behind when you go into cyberspace doesn't make sense.
Exactly my thoughts. I was so confused when i first played it. "DIDNT I SAY I'M STAYING BACK?!?!"
right? it confused me. i was like "am i doing what i mean to?" because why is v fighting getting his body back?
They patched it.
But I get this dialogue too. V was turning into Johnny Silverhand, plus she was just told she has 6 months to live. Remember when she talks to Alt about what lies beyond the Blackwall you can choose to say one of two things: life beyond the blackwall gives her hope of eternal life, or you can say something about survival at all cost is not worth it.
Imagine you wanna live, and you wanna go beyond the blackwall instead of dying a slow death of 6 months. Then it makes more sense to call him a lying sack of shit. He promised to save you and he deltas not exactly having delivered?
Plus on the other hand it's still complicated, he might disappear, v doesn't want him dead. Doesn't wanna part either.
All that wrapped in one you could imagine such a reaction... But bottom-line is it's patched.
Rogue's voice is so familiar...
Diana: one last tango 47...
What!?
Background music during the credits hits the spot right. They did good on that part.
This has to be the best ending, least deaths with possible best solution of V becoming something greater, helping out Johny in future DLCs.
If like this best would be secret Suicide mission so Rogue lives at the end. Also if you go with good Panam ending seems V is able to live past expiration date with her...also just awesome ending that feels like win win for everyone.
Na raid the tower solo and the only one to go is either you or johnny. You get the same ending but Rogue is there
This was the ending I chose, and I’m so glad I did. It seemed to fit my game the most - my V and Johnny had a strong friendship by that stage and it felt right to let him take the wheel and have his final moments finishing off Smasher in Arasaka Tower (where it all began).
Rogue could use orbital strikes to level the hole city...
when i played it the first time i chose temperance, it just made sense. johnny had a lifetime while, while i had 6months, but what made me change my mind was seeing panam get torn up about it.
This the ending I went with on my first playthrough.
The Dialogue with Rogue on the plane,the music,Weyland's Mad Laughter as we crash into the building. I wish there were more missions like this.
Bus: Isn't moving
Steve: Stop the bus!
Also Steve: Brings a different guitar
yes :(
The best part of Rogue ending is her conversation with child. She kept cool, but she knew exactly this is her last call, because her past catched up with her.
It's really tragic how bad night city really is. I seen every mission and I know how fucked in the head some people get there, but hearing Rouge having a son, and she's still doing a mission where her life is on the line. All to make amends and confront her own demons. She knew she might die in this run, but she still chose to do it. Even though she had someone who she cared for, outside of all this mess. Night city really does just suck people dry.
I really want a post ending dlc
I really think that they wasted this ending. It's epic, bittersweet and gives an emotional conclusion to the journey of the two main characters. But then you wake up in the mansion and discover that the game has made a lot of choices on your behalf. You don't get to choose whether to leave NC or remain, even if there's nothing to stop you. The game doesn't do justice to what V has accomplished, it seems more like "Rogue's dead, now you will be the boss, I guess...". On top of this he is framed like some sort of sore loser that must still prove something because of reasons and leaves for a suicidial mission, lonely and bitter.
In my opinion it would have worked much better if they had given the player the ability to choose between your loved ones and your dreams, if they had shown the amazing feeling of reaching your objectives after many costly sacrifices, if they had shown the will to live and fight until the very end.
I have the feeling that the devs didn't want to have one good ending so they tried to make every one of them artificially worse than what they could have been.
From the games perspective you decide whether or not to leave Night City and move on by deciding whether or not you want to be a Nomad and live their lifestyle. If you go for Arasaka you sell out for safety. If you go with Rogue/Johnny it's because you want to be a Night City Legend
@@cyberninjazero5659 I agree that's what the devs wanted to do, but when you choose the emphasis is put on who you trust and want to put in danger not on the lifestyle you prefer. But it doesn't change the fact that at the end you are depicted like a pathetic guy.
I have more a problem with how the last bit of the story is set up. They don't do anything that builds up to this decision, a promise to Johnny, a sudden change of heart of Panam or something like that. You wake up and your character will just not leave even if asked...
that's the genre, there are no good endings in night city. The true moment to decide is on the rooftop only, but I kinda like it - I didn't chose help from Panam, because I was worried sth might happen to her. If you could decide at the end it'd undermine the gravity of the rooftop decision.
@@michalslusarski the Nomad ending is actually pretty good, especially if you leave with Judy. The devs tried to make it worse by killing a bunch of guys and by making Panam sound distant in the voicemail. But nobody cared for those and the voicemail feels a lot like an afterthought. Plus if you're with Judy has a lot less weight. On top of that the atmosphere is much more positive.
Also, I don't think bad endings are a cyberpunk trope. Instead I think happy endings in general don't really work in most stories. However, emotional and thought-provoking conclusions must be constructed properly otherwise they just feel unfair. And I just think this ending feels very unfair...
@@reibin4085 lol that's literally the point of the story my dude. The city is the antagonist, you don't win anything by climbing to the top, you're meant to feel hollow, empty because hey guess how you're gonna feel sitting on a throne upon a tower of corpses and false promises. There is no happy ending by staying in the city. The entire game, from the oppressive atmosphere to the many, many examples of people "trying for that big break" and failing miserably every time. You literally only become "legend" by dying. By going for the top you've completely stopped trying to save yourself, and if you've romanced anyone, they can tell you've given up, Judy straight up breaks up with you lol. Straight forward "happy endings" don't exist in this story, in this universe, because hey, under our current capitalistic hellscape, they sure don't either.
when i played that moment where johnny crosses the bridge towards cyberspace and got held up by V a couple of times....the feels man
Despite popular opinion, the ending with V taking that one “last job” is my favorite. He/She have almost run out of time, and they plan out to go out in a blaze of glory, just like the game kind of alludes to with Dex at the beginning of the game. Other than that, hopefully DLC expands on these endings a little bit more
update to that here:
unfortunately, CDPR has confirmed that the story is completely finished and there won't be a continuation of it. There will be DLCs which contain their own stories, which have nothing or only a little bit to do with mainstory.
Very sad about this tbh. I like all the endings, each of them conveys a heavy hitting, huge message. But atleast give us one perfect ending, where atleast V get's to live out her whole life and does not only have 6 months. Maybe even an ending where Jhonny gets a new body. I'd pay for that dlc, bigtime.
Maybe I'm weird, but I like this ending the best.
why not
The ending dialogue is so weird I can't tell if it's intended because of johnny and v kinda mixing together.
Nobody:
Shovel: “Resembles an ordinary shovel from a different dimension”
Kinda wish Johnny would call Rogue up there at the end and they get together, missed opportunity
I'm betting that a dlc will have some new artist on the block dropping rock ballads about no one in particular.
I love this ending. Through out the game I refused to murder, drink and smoke my attitude towards me and others were always in a positive light, so giving Johhny a body really made me realize he had learned a lot and if he could teach that to others... Wow makes my sacrifice worth it. This is the way!
If you pick up Rogue on Johnnys porsche you get a rare dialogue.
yeah I did actually do it ;]
57:52 The huge light at the end of the bridge looks so much like the Watershed album cover by Opeth
Rogue: You can’t just walk thru the front door of Arasaka!
V and Johnny: How bout I do, anyway?
The way they remixed “The Rebel Path” during the entire bomber flight was just SICK. Haven’t beaten the game yet but I’m sure doing the Temperance ending instead. Even though this one already wins for me
V's VAs and Keanu's delivery in this ending part was fucking amazing and heart breaking.
When he says "For FUCKS sakes Alt!" and just... the entire thing was so good. He's able to channel the same anger and futility the player feels. This has completely destroyed me emotionally.
"You're my friend V..."
*Insert Keanu sobbing meme*
To-Do: Smash Adam with Caretaker's Spade
Rebel path soundtrack in helikopter is so chilling
I've chose to stay alive since I have a gf and amazing friends n ppl that care about me, I'm sorry johnny but you and rogue had your time... meet in paradise.
"Arasaka Tower's a fortress, the most secure building in Night City. Walking in through the front door just isn't an option." HAH, unless you don't fear the reaper.
Yep, I love this line right here. Meaning Rogue WAS the best, V's the new best. And V's the new flame that consumed Johnny's hate. Meaning V x Johnny forever alright? (Don't mind me, I am a little obsessed with the potential of this non-couple.)
This is why I like V staying in the real world - Mr Blue Eyes mentions will to live, I think whatever the heist is can either prolong life or outright cure V.
Still think that?
@@Godzilla_Star_Eater Why wouldn't I?
Rogue always being too nice to Johnny. She cares about Johnny, She loves Johnny, being Jonny's babysitter while he messing around during mission, although Johnny already cheated on her for multiple times before broke up with her. Rogue still miss and think of Johnny everyday after having kids with others. She's really a good woman in night city
rogue is the hottest character
she kinda is :)
@@T.W.I.T. people in Cyberpunk have the ability to age slower if they can afford it, Hanako Arasaka is 80 years old
nah kerry and judy for sure
@@xLetalis yeah, and she looks younger than her real age (she's 78 y.o. and looks pretty)
I find it rather odd that Alt or Johnny or V ever came up with the idea to stabilize the chip and have Alt reprogram the nanites inside to compensate for deteriorating neural function and create a separate directory construct for Johnny to live in where the two could coexist and share control at will.
This game was one of the most beautiful I’ve ever played. I’d put it right up there next to TW3. And that’s coming from me who played on a PS4.
Female V's VA just hits different.
@@Deon4769 yeah while I loved Female V voice actor more often then Male V, here specially Male V takes the cake he had way more anger in him. Female V nails quiet emotional settings like Jackies bit....that got me
Thank You for the playlist. It's exactly what I was looking for.
Reist and Disorder is the most badass song to play when you enter the Afterlife during this mission
19:53 onwards in the AV was so damn good especially with the music.
I picked johnny and rogue because johnny silverhand is the fucking coolest story mode character ever
Weyland shouldve been in the game more, such a funny character
when rogue died my hearth broke ... really loved her
Steve is wearing V favorite shirt
Mr. Blue Eyes has the same voice actor as Mitch of the Aldecaldos. I watched the video while playing a game and was like... wtf Mitch is not supposed to be there. Maybe Mitch is controlling Mr. Blue Eyes. Mitch, the genius behind everything! :D
23:56 Caretaker's spade and Gaunter O'Dimm theme. Nice
The panam ending with V taking control is the best in my opinion. Feel sorry for johnny though
Nah Johnny finally got to rest, he didn't choose to be "engram'd" / soulkiller used on him by arasaka, and with V tearing down Arasaka finally it's a suiting closure for the silverhand story.
So Rogue has a son... I want more to this story.
Exactly I want more of her backstory .. I kinda understand why she says " she's not who she was before" at the drive in .. like I was like wait what she had a son
johnny's son?
@@raquela9821 nah I doubt it
@@raquela9821 No, I don't think Rogue and Johnny ever hooked up.
@@edo090 lol they were a couple
23:58 Thanks for the flashback! I've missed that little tune...
That witcher music when you find that shovel at 23:58.. damn
I couldn't resist putting it there
rogue:narasaka tower is a fortress, walking in from the front door is not an option
secret ending V: hold my tequila
Mr Blue Eyes reminds me of that rogue AI that told me to keep the truth from Perez.
What bothers me in this is that Rogue gets a broken wrist and a stab in the chest, without making a sound at all.
I don't know about the wrist but if someone impales my lungs with giant metal claws, I don't I think I would be able to let out much of a grunt, let alone a scream.
@@zelda0521 maybe air escaping from the lungs, like air escaping from bender’s folds when he became human.
“Was that the jouroujin”
Rogue: make a wish!
51:58 I loved that Never fade away played!!!
LOL the Spade. Good old memories.
WEYLAND BETTER BE A COMPANION in dlc and hella more missions with him and since the end of this game can be played over and over and differently , definitely new endings or secret ones would be crazy
johnny would have never done this without V.
Okeying it
Rogue: "gear's over there, help yourself"
V: "Don't mind if i do"
Presses "F" violently to take respects
the endings make sense why they chose to have only first person cutscenes. The endings have a much much stronger impact
I feel like between this ending and the Devil, they have a huge purpose and possibilities for Dlc.