I don't think you need to worry about the accuracy of the chest strap, they pick up impulses from the heart, they are pretty damn accurate :) good video, I'm using a strap too, a little restrictive in the beginning but you get use to it :)
I like running with a HR monitor because it gives me insight about what my body is feeling instead of running on perceived exertion only. Definitely useful for longer run pacing so you don’t pewter out too early. For example, on Sunday I was running at what I thought was a pretty manageable pace, but my HR was reading at 170 bpm ( I usually try to aim for 160-165, and cresting to 170 means I’m pushing the pace, facing fatigue from another workout, etc...) within the first few kilometres. Subsequently, I slowed down so I could sustain a consistent pace throughout the run. Yes, it is another data point you can worry about, but I like to think of it as supplementary information to get my best performance out of my run.
Hands down a chest HR monitor is a must if you care about that sort of data. The wrist monitor is too inconsistent per the nuances you mentioned. I use the Garmin one and so far I’m very happy how the effort I’m feeling correlates to the HR rate. Good video! 👍
The chest strap is always better option if you want accuracy. Each body is different, so heart beating will be different for everyone. If it's possible, once a year or so, a running stress test can tell us the different aerobic zones. That way you can customice de zones of your suunto and the statistics will be more accurate. If you know well enough your body, you'll know if you're at 80% of effort at 160bpm or at 180bpm... All that information is very usefull to train.
Only way is the chest strap.Gone back to Suunto chest strap.Also have the Ticker x and both are as accurate as each other.Wrist he is only good for resting heart rate.The algorithms on wrist hr tend to smooth the data.
The Polar, Garmin, and Wahoo chest straps are generally very close to what you’d get with an EKG, so I assume Suunto is just as good. I have similar issues with wrist-based optical HR monitors as you’ve documented, so I either wear a chest strap or completely disregard the data. There’s pros/cons each for training with power and HR; however, both are effective at notifying you if your pace is too fast for training or racing.
I suppose the next discussion should be how to figure out what heart rate zone or power number one "should" be running. Because I'm not exactly sure how to figure that out
Hello Kofuzi...I use the same heart rate monitor paires to my suunto ambit 3 peak. Back up is Polar OH1. Both correlates fine as they fit my trainning needs. Cheers.
I zone train so I have been considering a heart rate chest strap for a long time. I will probably invest in one once my marathon training block kicks off in July. I like it get the most accurate info that I can get.
Anyone know if this Suunto Smart Sensor can be used on its own , or do you need a watch to accompany it? Having trouble with the Suunto app connecting to the device.
Chest heart rate is a lot better than wrist I also got very inconsistent results with wrist heart rate . I'm running to low heart rate as I found my easy runs were not easy enough and always ended up injuring my self. Now mainly run MAF.
I am curious how the suunto will work for you over time. I really like my suunto watch but the heart rate monitor has been a disaster. It is the strap that is giving problems. The one that came with the watch was replaced by suunto shortly after because stopped working already after a month. Next one lasted longer but after that I had three straps that all gave up in 1 or 2 months. Followed their instructions carefully and they could not explain it. I used the monitor for triathlon training including open water swimming. Used in the old days Polar and switched now to TICKR and never had problems with those. Suunto watch + TICKR is the winning combination for me.
What is the model of your suunto? I have an Ambit 3 Peak and the HRM is also very bad. It is always showing wrong values. I want to use a diferent belt but Im afraid that my watch only works with the suunto belts
@@DiogoSantos-zt5vl I have a Suunto Ambit 3 Sport. I can recommend you to change to a TICKR. It is a cheap blue tooth alternativ that is high quality and works very well with Suunto. They only thing that doesn't work with the TICKR is heart rate during swimming. For that the Suunto watch has to synchronize the heart rate date after the swim and it does that only from a Suunto heart rate monitor. If swimming is an issue you can use the TICKR X which is a bit more expensive and will synchronize after the swim with the TICKR app (and besides that it gives running data). With the Suunto straps I got strange values already within a 1 or 2 months. No signal or initial signal but the heart rate starts drifting to extreme high values during the exercise. Never had any problems since I started using TICKR X with my Suunto. I have to say that Suunto has been helpful and provided me several times with new straps but never did an attempt to explain the cause of the problem.
@@NDantuma thanks for your answer. The TICKR looks like a good alternative but how do I pair ir with my watch? And if I can pair it with different belts can I use other Bluetooth belts like Polar? Waiting for your answer. Merry Christmas.
@@DiogoSantos-zt5vl The same as you pair your Suunto belt. You use the "pair" function on your suunto. I am not an expert but I think that in principle any bluetooth should work. Only used TICKR myself.
On the Suunto, if I recall correctly there was a way to manually set max, which I set to 192 based off of what I had been getting from wrist readings. I may have to lower that. But I think the suunto otherwise learns about you and adjusts the zones from default as you run more with it. I hope I haven't totally fabricated that. Let me double check.
@kofuzi . I was the same as u. I ran on how.i felt. 6min.miles 7 min miles and 8.30 pace being like essy jogs. Avg hr for easy jogs 155 ish upto 168bpm. I ran 5k 18.08 with 8 months of running just whatever. I thouggt it was easy. Kept gettn niggles n small injuries. Until 2 months ago i tried the MAF method. 180 minus my age and there is other variables to guage. So my avg hr ended up at 144bpm. I started running 10.50.mile pace to keep.it below 144. Nightmare. 2 months have gone. Im now running 141 bpm at 9.15 pace consistently. And gettn faster. Another 2 months il be down to the 8 min range. I do one speed session a week but all.other runs including long run is at 144bpm or below. :) good luck :)
@@kofuzi your a very good runner to be honest. But i think you run all your runs to fast. Keep ur hr low on all your runs apart from harder sessions. Id say you would be running sub 3 no problem. The improvement i have made in 2 months and im just a new runner. Looking forward to testing out my speed here soon :) and will u be purchasing the zoomfly 3??
The marathon HR mentioned in this video was from the Apple Watch. There really isn't anything to compare. The readings are basically pegged at the high end of zone 5 the moment I step outside.
kofuzi So the wrist monitors are inaccurate? The monitor (also ekg) of the apple watch has been praised a lot by media and doctors for it‘s accuracy. That‘s why I am surprised
pls advise, is my understanding correct, that this is Suunto Smart Sensor device, and its much simple if compared with Garmin HRM-4 Run, which can do much more analitics, like cadence, ground contact time etc etc.... Suunto can do only heart rate?
Serious question from someone who doesn’t know. Literally everyone bags optical heart rate sensors but reading through DCRainmakers Apple Watch review it seems pretty spot on (www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/10/apple-watch-series-4-in-depth-review.html/amp) relative to a chest strap besides initial 90 seconds. Is this not what it’s like for most?
Wristband HR from watches is not good at all. Too many spikes. Went back to the chest strap. Using Polar H10. Never a spike and very accurate. It just works. Great for VO2, HR variability, and fitness tracking on Strava. Using it for MAF aerobic base building. if you look at the elite or semi-elite long-distance runners on Strava. Look at their HR. It's insane how low the numbers are. hahaha
kofuzi It varies a lot- some runners have max heart rate around 200, others closer to 180. (Resting heart rate is also a factor.) The key is what % of max HR are they running? The more sub-threshold training one does to build up his/her aerobic capacity, the lower % of HRmax that person will be able to run for a given distance.
@@kofuzi Then we agree. Cause some devices, like this one, declare that they are capable of recording swimming. But I have test it and I can tell you for me in the sea it didn't worked at all. So I would like to see further testimonials that aroundd the net are totaly missing. I mean think how much important is for a wearable like this the swim capabiblity review when it is one of the few that supposinlgy having this virtu. Have a good day! ruclips.net/video/1a_d5zbxjtY/видео.html
I don't think you need to worry about the accuracy of the chest strap, they pick up impulses from the heart, they are pretty damn accurate :) good video, I'm using a strap too, a little restrictive in the beginning but you get use to it :)
I keep feeling like the strap is wiggling down, but I used to feel that way about my calf sleeves, and now I love those
@@kofuzi i get/got the same feeling, but I guess you'll find an adjustment in time that'll feel just right :) I'm very use to mine these days :)
Ive found that wrist based HR monitors can sometimes pick up your cadence rather than your HR. They don’t work too well for everyone.
That's my understanding as well
I like running with a HR monitor because it gives me insight about what my body is feeling instead of running on perceived exertion only. Definitely useful for longer run pacing so you don’t pewter out too early. For example, on Sunday I was running at what I thought was a pretty manageable pace, but my HR was reading at 170 bpm ( I usually try to aim for 160-165, and cresting to 170 means I’m pushing the pace, facing fatigue from another workout, etc...) within the first few kilometres. Subsequently, I slowed down so I could sustain a consistent pace throughout the run. Yes, it is another data point you can worry about, but I like to think of it as supplementary information to get my best performance out of my run.
I like the data. But at a certain point, it gets distracting. I may have crossed that point. Or maybe not. We'll see.
Hands down a chest HR monitor is a must if you care about that sort of data. The wrist monitor is too inconsistent per the nuances you mentioned.
I use the Garmin one and so far I’m very happy how the effort I’m feeling correlates to the HR rate. Good video! 👍
Ricardo Galiano agree 100% I use the Garmin HRM RUN. Much more accurate than optical HRM.
Watching this video one year later as I just found your RUclips Channel...awesome
The chest strap is always better option if you want accuracy. Each body is different, so heart beating will be different for everyone. If it's possible, once a year or so, a running stress test can tell us the different aerobic zones. That way you can customice de zones of your suunto and the statistics will be more accurate. If you know well enough your body, you'll know if you're at 80% of effort at 160bpm or at 180bpm... All that information is very usefull to train.
I wouldn't even know where to go for a stress test.
Only way is the chest strap.Gone back to Suunto chest strap.Also have the Ticker x and both are as accurate as each other.Wrist he is only good for resting heart rate.The algorithms on wrist hr tend to smooth the data.
I was also looking at the ticker. Good to know!
Kofuzi, I would recommend looking at the Scosche Rhythm Heartrate band. You can wear it in your upper bicep and results are very good in accuracy.
I was concerned with that that it wouldn't be all that different than wrist based.
The Polar, Garmin, and Wahoo chest straps are generally very close to what you’d get with an EKG, so I assume Suunto is just as good. I have similar issues with wrist-based optical HR monitors as you’ve documented, so I either wear a chest strap or completely disregard the data. There’s pros/cons each for training with power and HR; however, both are effective at notifying you if your pace is too fast for training or racing.
I suppose the next discussion should be how to figure out what heart rate zone or power number one "should" be running. Because I'm not exactly sure how to figure that out
kofuzi That’s what books and coaches are for. Or you can spend 30 minutes googling it. 😀
@@kofuzi you base this on your max heart rate. You can also use a theorical max heart rate.
Hello Kofuzi...I use the same heart rate monitor paires to my suunto ambit 3 peak. Back up is Polar OH1. Both correlates fine as they fit my trainning needs. Cheers.
This is something I’m looking into to try and improve and so thanks mate timely
I think it's worth trying for a little while to get an idea of what your heart is doing.
Hey everyone. I got the suunto 9. Can someone advise which chest HRM I should get that goes with it? Thank you
I zone train so I have been considering a heart rate chest strap for a long time. I will probably invest in one once my marathon training block kicks off in July. I like it get the most accurate info that I can get.
I highly recommend if you're going to use hr as the basis for your training. Otherwise, it's definitely optional. But I like mine.
Anyone know if this Suunto Smart Sensor can be used on its own , or do you need a watch to accompany it? Having trouble with the Suunto app connecting to the device.
Chest heart rate is a lot better than wrist I also got very inconsistent results with wrist heart rate . I'm running to low heart rate as I found my easy runs were not easy enough and always ended up injuring my self. Now mainly run MAF.
I feel like it's a must if you're Maf
Funny, I found myself getting injured all the time when running too slow. I run most of my runs near or at threshold, no injuries so far!
Hello , do you see the hart rate from the strap on your watch while you are running?
yes
Do I need to take wrist sensor off from my bro 9 when I wear smart sensor?
I am curious how the suunto will work for you over time. I really like my suunto watch but the heart rate monitor has been a disaster. It is the strap that is giving problems. The one that came with the watch was replaced by suunto shortly after because stopped working already after a month. Next one lasted longer but after that I had three straps that all gave up in 1 or 2 months. Followed their instructions carefully and they could not explain it. I used the monitor for triathlon training including open water swimming. Used in the old days Polar and switched now to TICKR and never had problems with those. Suunto watch + TICKR is the winning combination for me.
What is the model of your suunto? I have an Ambit 3 Peak and the HRM is also very bad. It is always showing wrong values. I want to use a diferent belt but Im afraid that my watch only works with the suunto belts
@@DiogoSantos-zt5vl I have a Suunto Ambit 3 Sport. I can recommend you to change to a TICKR. It is a cheap blue tooth alternativ that is high quality and works very well with Suunto. They only thing that doesn't work with the TICKR is heart rate during swimming. For that the Suunto watch has to synchronize the heart rate date after the swim and it does that only from a Suunto heart rate monitor. If swimming is an issue you can use the TICKR X which is a bit more expensive and will synchronize after the swim with the TICKR app (and besides that it gives running data). With the Suunto straps I got strange values already within a 1 or 2 months. No signal or initial signal but the heart rate starts drifting to extreme high values during the exercise. Never had any problems since I started using TICKR X with my Suunto. I have to say that Suunto has been helpful and provided me several times with new straps but never did an attempt to explain the cause of the problem.
@@NDantuma thanks for your answer. The TICKR looks like a good alternative but how do I pair ir with my watch? And if I can pair it with different belts can I use other Bluetooth belts like Polar? Waiting for your answer. Merry Christmas.
@@DiogoSantos-zt5vl The same as you pair your Suunto belt. You use the "pair" function on your suunto. I am not an expert but I think that in principle any bluetooth should work. Only used TICKR myself.
@@NDantuma so you can use a TICKR with a suunto watch? Meaning I don't necessarily need a suunto hr monitor? Thanks for your help
how do you clean the chest strap ?
Do you know if it's compatible with suunto 7?
I have no experience with suunto 7, but this HR monitor connects via bluetooth
How do you set your hr zones?
I find preset HR zones on Garmin and Strava are way different even though they utilize max hr method, I think.
On the Suunto, if I recall correctly there was a way to manually set max, which I set to 192 based off of what I had been getting from wrist readings. I may have to lower that.
But I think the suunto otherwise learns about you and adjusts the zones from default as you run more with it. I hope I haven't totally fabricated that. Let me double check.
@kofuzi . I was the same as u. I ran on how.i felt. 6min.miles 7 min miles and 8.30 pace being like essy jogs. Avg hr for easy jogs 155 ish upto 168bpm. I ran 5k 18.08 with 8 months of running just whatever. I thouggt it was easy. Kept gettn niggles n small injuries. Until 2 months ago i tried the MAF method. 180 minus my age and there is other variables to guage. So my avg hr ended up at 144bpm. I started running 10.50.mile pace to keep.it below 144. Nightmare. 2 months have gone. Im now running 141 bpm at 9.15 pace consistently. And gettn faster. Another 2 months il be down to the 8 min range. I do one speed session a week but all.other runs including long run is at 144bpm or below. :) good luck :)
The maf results seem almost unbelievable. Although it's not so different from how I approached my last marathon, I think.
@@kofuzi your a very good runner to be honest. But i think you run all your runs to fast. Keep ur hr low on all your runs apart from harder sessions. Id say you would be running sub 3 no problem. The improvement i have made in 2 months and im just a new runner. Looking forward to testing out my speed here soon :) and will u be purchasing the zoomfly 3??
I really HR strap on really hot days and days when I doing easy efforts/recovery runs.
I'm thinking about picking up a second strap because I don't want to have to wear the same one very day
Your apple watch also has a heart rate monitor. Maybe do a comparison between the three
The marathon HR mentioned in this video was from the Apple Watch. There really isn't anything to compare. The readings are basically pegged at the high end of zone 5 the moment I step outside.
kofuzi So the wrist monitors are inaccurate? The monitor (also ekg) of the apple watch has been praised a lot by media and doctors for it‘s accuracy. That‘s why I am surprised
Great for resting hr, non-exercising hr, and sleep hr.
Do you see yourself in the future trying the MAF method?
I'm not sure I have the patience. Or the faith. Even now it seems a bit counterintuitive. But perhaps I need to take a deeper look
@@kofuzi It certainly takes an incredible amount of discipline to run that slow. I wonder if any East Africans follow that method.
pls advise, is my understanding correct, that this is Suunto Smart Sensor device, and its much simple if compared with Garmin HRM-4 Run, which can do much more analitics, like cadence, ground contact time etc etc.... Suunto can do only heart rate?
i have no experience with the hrm-4 run
Serious question from someone who doesn’t know. Literally everyone bags optical heart rate sensors but reading through DCRainmakers Apple Watch review it seems pretty spot on (www.dcrainmaker.com/2018/10/apple-watch-series-4-in-depth-review.html/amp) relative to a chest strap besides initial 90 seconds. Is this not what it’s like for most?
I had a hard time with it. I can't speak to DCRainmakers experience. But if he says it works, he's probably right.
Wristband HR from watches is not good at all. Too many spikes. Went back to the chest strap. Using Polar H10. Never a spike and very accurate. It just works. Great for VO2, HR variability, and fitness tracking on Strava.
Using it for MAF aerobic base building. if you look at the elite or semi-elite long-distance runners on Strava. Look at their HR. It's insane how low the numbers are. hahaha
What about non elites? 😉
kofuzi It varies a lot- some runners have max heart rate around 200, others closer to 180. (Resting heart rate is also a factor.) The key is what % of max HR are they running? The more sub-threshold training one does to build up his/her aerobic capacity, the lower % of HRmax that person will be able to run for a given distance.
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Nike zoom pegasus 2 need to see this review
Karlitos Choob there’s one already on my channel if it helps while we wait for his epic review
FORDY RUNS in middle of that right now 👍🏼
Thanks, but all of the reviews about this device lack of open swim testing.
I’ve never open swam before
@@kofuzi Then we agree. Cause some devices, like this one, declare that they are capable of recording swimming. But I have test it and I can tell you for me in the sea it didn't worked at all. So I would like to see further testimonials that aroundd the net are totaly missing.
I mean think how much important is for a wearable like this the swim capabiblity review when it is one of the few that supposinlgy having this virtu. Have a good day!
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Nike Zoom Gravity review coming soon?
Unfortunately no
can't wear this tube bra to race. it drops off my man breast. need a shoulder strap.
consider an arm band monitor. I'm not sure shoulder straps exist for this product category
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