Laws need to be changed If a wife has filed for divorce and dies, her body should not be released to her husband. Cremation rules should be ammended, too. When person dies in suspecious circumstances, cremation should not be allowed. What a sad situation. So many women are killed because of their husband's greed in case of divorce.
Hopefully and Im almost sure that the morgue had an inspection of the body before she was cremated and will say something to the FBI but they can be killed
Mica had filed for divorce, JP was served the 16th of April. Why would someone 1. file for divorce 2. Pay her personal taxes the day of "self induced " infliction 3. Fill her gas tank the day of 4. Get her a sandwich and drink in route 5. The day After JP was wearing her necklace that she had on the day of 6. It was against the belief of the church for cremation. Just what I have repeatedly heard among other information.
I agree with all of that but she had an affair with a married man with 5 children while married to his best friend. She also sent him the topless pic he posted on Facebook while claiming to be divorcing him. I think they were both crazy and weird.
@@tagladyifyNo. She was groomed as a minor. She was against much of JP's disgusting behavior. There is souch information coming out that points to JP and his attorney being very bad guys in many ways. Time will show this. She is not weird. She was abused and manipulated. She was a victim through and through.
@@jazzyg530 I agree with everything that you stated and I do not believe he is innocent by any means, especially with moving money around the way he is, basically preparing in case he’s arrested. Sounds more like it to me.
@@tagladyify Remember, she was a child when he planted the seed of adultery in her mind. She was a child at the time. He was a married adult with 5 children at the time. He knew better.
QUESTION: IF SHE WAS WEARING THE NECKLACE THAT DAY SHE BOUGHT THE GUN. HOW IS IT HE'S WEARING IT IN THAT INTERVIEW? DID POLICE TAKE THE NECKLACE BACK TO HER APARTMENT? DID POLICE GIVE IT TO HIM? I'M INTRESTED HOW HE GOT IT. 👍❤️❤️❤️🙏
And Mica was found 40 yards away from where the said action occurred. How is that possible if Mica did was LE claimed, she obviously did not walk herself to the water 40 yards away and place herself in the water. The gun was purchased for protection and the full video at pawn shop shows her constantly looking over her shoulders as though she felt someone following her. A black truck circled the gas station around 3x driving by, pulling in and parking, driving away, coming back and repeating.
I still don't believe Mica pulled the trigger. Why would she fill her car with gas? Why would she have a sandwich in her car? Why would she buy a cold drink? What were the scratches on her hand that was supposed to have pulled the trigger? Why was there no autopsy and why was she cremated so fast?
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!! The bruises on her hands, and arms, and the fact that three bullets were fired..... and they did find the shell casings, of which only ONE, was in her head. She stated IF I END UP WITH A BULLET IN MY HEAD, J.P. DID IT. I have prayed about this, and believe JP strong armed her to shoot herself. The fisherman is questionable, as he only heard one gun shot.
@@BeverlyMullen I think the misfired bullets are evidence of a struggle. Supposedly, she was trained and knowledgeable about firearms. She wouldn't have wasted bullets.
JP's 'church' was also tied somehow to the park where Mica died (the specific part across the water from where she was). She was dressed for work, had an appointment set for the following week & had just filled her car up with gas. When I was planning to end my life I didn't have appointments set, wasn't dressed for anything afterwards (after what?) and sure didn't make sure my car was filled up with gas. Those little things may be looked over by some but to me they just don't ring true. So much is fishy...
@@sarahjoy8479 Thank you! That was about 30 years ago, around 10 into an abusive marriage that got far worse before he passed. Now I can look back and see God's hand in all that I have gone through, that included. Actually that's what brought me back to Him-which made all the difference! We never know what our true purpose is in life but the closer we look & the longer we live the more we can see!
Him admitting her into a mental hospital is assuming on his part that he knows what shes feeling & thinking, then using it against her for his sermons is slander, he is an entitled obnoxious individual, RIP Mica🕊️🙏
@@SunnyBunny132the coroner said he made that up. All he did was stand in the corner of the room and was not alone with her. It was all theatrics. The man is a LIAR.
The ear witness also stated that there was 2 people in a boat coming from area, where she was found. Although he didn't know that at that time This is relevant as JPs lawyers property backs onto area where she was found, and it would explain an exit point. Also lawyer specializes in AI
It’s so infuriating he discusses her private medical health which her family say she had nothing wrong with her mental health until she met him when you love your spouse you don’t tell people they are insane and call them crazy and discuss infirmities it’s so undignified and actually cruel and degrading I don’t know how this man has not been taught a lesson by some male friends of hers if u know what I’m saying
Due to poor police work, there’s no details about the place the car was parked. Asphalt or gravel? Tire tracks from a second vehicle or other foot prints? She wouldn’t have bruised or been scratched post mortem due to lack of blood flow. If she had filed for divorce, he was no longer in control. Her family would’ve known this. There are no coincidences The fact that she was in a park seemingly unknown to her that has ties to the attorney is questionable. JP mandating they sign a form to release her before they could see her is highly suspicious. Law enforcement must be in his pocket for a true investigation not to have been done. Coroner, regardless of medical degree or not, should’ve completed an autopsy for an unattended death.
Your assumptions are quite incorrect. 1) the car was in the paved main parking lot. 2) Witnesses saw Mica walking around Alone, one even talking with her briefly before she headed out for a more secluded, peaceful place. i.e. there were several people enjoying the park at the time. * No one reported hearing more than the one gunshot. 3) You do not understand liver mortis, Blood pooling or or body recovery. Also there was a lot of debris in the immediate area and limbs etc. in the water that may account for the scratched hand. 4) He wasn't in control of Mica for months. She had been living separate since late Jan./early Feb. and had even been attending a different church. 5) Police confirmed internet search from her phone - Parks near me. Lumber River gets a lot of decent reviews. 6) A for investigations, the work gets done and a summery conclusions is about the all the public gets when it is completed. a) NC - had a verified 911 Call from Mica Phone, Spoke with potential witnesses at the park, participated in Recovery and had the Coroner on location. *Why would NC look for a Tracker on the car of a Suicide caller, having No Previous knowledge of her personal history? That was Fathers Grief in search of blame. SC - confirmed the Location of JP Miller Vehicle and His whereabouts at the time of Her Fatal outcome.. The waters are muddy enough without poorly informed people continuing to make reckless assumptions. ***None of this is to take away from a tragic lose of a families loved one, but Accusations, Rumors and uninformed assumptions just make things worse for everyone.
@@crxessAmazing info! Extremely news worthy.. Do you have factual knowledge of said person that spoke to Mica @ Lumber State Park when she's out walking around alone, before heading to a secluded area.. Pls, share where you've received this information!
@@KimberlyPiner I have likely reviewed as much as anyone following this matter. People continue to ignore Law vs. emotion. i.e. Objective review vs. Subjective assumption. When any Report, or Affidavit is given, it is Claim being made by the individual requesting the filing. Any evidence = Fact(if applied in full context) Any Accusation is left to be Proven in legal proceedings. This is one reason so many Divorce cases get so nasty in court. - Claims unsubstantiated don't go far. From the Mound of pure Bullsh** I have run across while following this, and it continues to this day, I have resigned myself to looking ad Facts in evidence and Claims made by Mica. -0- grace for JP, in my opinion he is extremely troubling. Minimal Grace for Mica Family, as I am sure the pain of losing a family member is devastating. *I have already lost to many. Already, both Mica Father and her Sister have had several interviews where things seem to change.(non-consistency of statements) None of this lets JP off the hook, however it brings in the need for Proof - Facts.
He should have been arrested along time ago, or are they waiting for him to hurt someone else this is crazy. She wasn’t mentally ill, he was.. Marrital property don’t make sense.
There's absolutely no way in the world she killed herself. She was followed. That's why she purchased the gun. A bullet hole in the tree. So many different things that speak to this being a murder
I think Mica was lured to that park. She bought the gun that day to protect herself for going to meet JP at the park. She's seen in the pawn shop smiling when paying for it. There was a bullet shot it a tree, casings, defensive wounds, 911 call her father said there was shouting. All of this, along with Mica's warning of JP making her death look like suicide and her father saying the 911 call is suspicious regarding her talking and thinking it was AI, this is the very thing poor Mica warned about that he'd make it seem like suicide, yet the police are ignoring this. Also too, why was JP so quick in having her cremated if he's innocent? If she shot herself, the earwitness would have heard her fall into the water as well after the shot. I agree with Mica's family about what happened to her going from what they have learned about everything. This case makes me so sad for Mica and her family😢🙏 and angry with JP he's an evil, ugly narcissist🤬👿👹
I believe she thought she was going to meet the attorney, whose lands is close to where she was found. But instead of Tom Winslow, JP was there. I believe he told her he would k!ll her and she was able to call 911 to make him look innocent but she knew it would raise red flags with her family -who knew she would not end her own life. If JP was at Winslow's property near the state park and Winslow had JP's truck and cell phone they could make it look all cleaned up. But they weren't expecting this to go so viral and have so many eyes on them. I pray the guilty go to prison. Too bad the police and medical examiner did such a poor job investigating. They are likely covering up for them.
I'm not a technology expert, but I think you can hijack someone's phone and listen to their calls and probably make calls from it, too. He had possession of her phone in the past. Perhaps he had her under complete surveillance.
And there’s AI which JP’s attorney specializes in. And you can use any phone and transfer a number to it and search for a park and leave it with her. I think JP had everything to do with this!
The pervasive behavior and down right psychological bullying should be punishable by law. This is a type of DV that unfortunately is never acknowledged. And police feel they have better things to do.🙄💀
I thought that there was a probable cause to suspect suspicious activity in her death, the police detectives could get a warrant to obtain any "deleted' files and photos from her laptop, cellphone ect. ..
Why did she drive close to (if not all the way to) the attorneys property that butts up against a creek which leads to the wooded area she passed in? I'm talking about Tom Winslow. I do not believe she did it. I believe she was lured there until false pretenses and was ambushed by JP. Just because his truck was seen traveling out of town doesn't mean he was driving it
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@@jazzyg530His truck was seen 3 times around the gas station! It's on video
How he was able to change the deed over to someone else, Is mind blowing to me. Sounds like he did that illegally. I hope and pray the FBI take a deep dive into. Her husband and his actions. I don’t know if she killed herself or not but if she was afraid for life, I don’t believe she would take her life!
Probably with the help of his attorney, Tom Winslow. Looks like they falsified some notarized documents. I think they were laundering money and Mica found evidence. This was no su!c!de
Why wouldn't the 911 operator try and talk her down??? I know I would, even if it doesn't help it's no harm to try!!! If this woman called 911 to say she was unaliving herself.. yea John Paul's lawyer has or had property in with that park. The Lord knows what happened and it WILL come out!!!
That church just has to be a money laundering situation, thereby LE protection. JPM has overstepped and brought light to the evil going on there. FBI now involved, but not there to investigate Mica’s death, which means it is financial/tax involvement. I pray justice for Mica.
This is a "man-child" who was so obsessed with his estranged wife that he habitually followed, stalked, tracked, taunted, and abused her, yet he wants us to believe that on the very day she is meant to have taken her own life, he has no idea where she was, and he was nowhere near her........
Because he abused her that is why she had mental health issue! She had PTSD I could tell by the gloss in her eyes and her voice!! And the WORLD FAILED her… Shame on whomever failed this woman and didn’t help her and HE DID HURT HIS WIFE and WE SEE all this stuff and he APOLOGIZED for the slashing of the tires in private with her not with the WORLD so he goes out and lies to the WORLD and to GOD and this is why people don’t GO TO Church!
Just a thought, the gloss in her eyes you describe could have been the result of any medication she took, ie lithium. IDK. My aunt took lithium and she described it as flatlining, having no highs or lows and that’s why she would go off the medication, she wanted to emote.
My friend got fed up with the Catholic Church (probably because of the sex abuse scandal) and considered joining the Episcopal Church. She said the pastor came to her house to see how much money she has and discuss how much he wanted her to donate. She never went back and returned to the Catholics.
Has anyone looked up the meaning of "to groom someone"? She was misused and abused since she was a child by a man who ppl are supposed to be able to trust.
This Pastor was an authority figure in Micas life originally. So for Mica to have the founder of the church, pay attention to her must have made her feel good about herself at first. But he didn’t have to do that. He made a choice as a Pastor to put himself and Mica in situations instead of using good judgment.Maybe find an elder church lady to babysit his kids instead of a young woman?…that is what reputable Pastors do. They also will delegate others to help alongside them and hold them accountable to their actions and decisions. Often in church abuse the leader will select weak prey, will justify wrong behavior and convince their victims to participate in wrong actions. And the victim willingly submits to the one in leadership. Especially someone who has low self esteem. And that type of personality is easier to control. The age gap also made her vulnerable. I don’t care if she was 23 when she married him. #1 the adult brain isn’t fully developed until age 25. #2 There was an imbalance of power, and he was the one with authority over her as a church leader. I have to say all of this is mere speculation of examples of grooming.. such a tragedy.
If she had defensive wounds, scratches how come she could be cremated so fast. All this would not bring back Mica, but if changes are put, future wife killers might be stopped or at least arrested😢.
I think he had her killed if he didn’t do it his self she had just served papers on him and took out a restraining order on him. Why would she do that if she was gonna kill herself? I also think she bought the gun to protect herself.
The thing that i have a question about is that it has been reported that the body was found a ways away from where they located her belongings. She was in the water, but they said it wasn’t moving water and would not have expected a body to move that far. None😊 of this may be accurate???
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How is it she shot herself in one spot where the gun and bullet casing was found and her body is found a distance away from that area and ends upin the water?
I’m new here to your channel. I much appreciate you covering this and will continue to watch & listen to your insights. *Please keep covering this!* You should react to or at least watch/listen to the interview with Mica’s best friend, Charlotte where she says something along the lines of “mica had to borrow money to pay for her taxes &/or car, due to struggling to get money and divorce from husband.. so how did she have $500 to purchase a gun? Why would she have a hair appointment scheduled for days later? Plus Mica was a big family person, why go all the way to that national park to do this to herself? Why not make a last call or text to family and friends before? Why not do this at home? Why not leave a letter for her family?” After watching Grizzly True Crime’s recent video w/all the footage of Mica’s last hours, I’m starting to think someone was forcing mica to do all this.. 🤷🏼♀️ in the footage, it kinda seemed like she was looking over her shoulder a lot, she looked extremely sad, & at the gas station that she stopped at, the footage does show what looks like the same black truck circling around that gas station at least 3 separate times while mica was there. And her dad saying she had what seemed like defense markings, scratches & bruises, on her hands as if someone forced her hand. Mica was finally getting her divorce, after going through many lawyers who had connection to JP she finally found one that didn’t and was preparing to finally get away from him! And she did have great plans for her missionary work in Africa! I just don’t know what to think but either way I hope her real family & friends get justice and maybe the FBI will put some kinda charges against JP because *whether or not he caused this to mica, he has been a bad person for a long time!*
I would like to respond to the speculation that the 911 call might have been made with AI technology. As a person who has lived with a narcissist for over 20 years, I can, definitely, say that it changes the way you communicate. The victim is used to “walking on eggshells” so much, that they become very careful in the way they speak to other people. I have caught myself speaking the same way Mica spoke on the 911 call many times, especially when I am holding in a lot of pain! To me, the voice on the 911 call sounds just like the voice on the video Mica made where she was talking to people about abuse!
The family/ her sister states that she told them she was going to buy a gun to protect herself. And it is said JP Miller's lawyer's property backs up to the park. There's something very fishy about how the investigators handled this case. Their lackadaisical attitude , especially no autopsy is very suspicious. What is the relationship between JP & the NC/SC police? His history shows quite a number of felonies or charges that he never received any punishment for
Has anybody considered even once that the ‘ear witness’ is actually who committed this crime against Mica, and threw off the cops by claiming to be just an ear witness, and haphazardly ‘finding’ her purse and I think her phone, but doesn’t try to see if someone was hurt nearby..?🙄
We don't know when they took the Pic of the phone do we? It could have been documented in the day afterwards. . .which also looks bad b/c that seems like slack police work
OK, I have a problem when I watched the entire video from the place where she bought the gun, to the gas market where she was inside for a while, while inside there her husband's truck went buy there one way and them came back buy the other way she was still in the store. Then she went to the park and parked. They didn't show her get out if I remember right then that the phone call from her car before she went into the woods. That was the end. Just a shame. I am wondering if she saw her husband's truck go by 2 times when she was in the store of the gas station???
Most people don't tell others there going to kill themselves. People who kill themselves surprise everyone. Just doesn't add up to someone preparing to live. The husband is not truthful and is very questionable in many areas.
A picture of a truck with someone’s license plate doesn’t mean they are in the truck, meaning it doesn’t make sense to say a picture or more of his identified vehicle without seeing him in it is proof that JP wasn’t near the scene or gives him a valid alibi.
Replay crew here. Catching up (following the Karen Read fiasco, I mean trial, on Melanie Little’s channel. ) I support the 💙, but there’s some problems over in Canton/Boston. My motto is always: Let Justice prevail! This case, I have to say, has me a little concerned that things aren’t as they appear or as we’ve been lead to believe. I agree with you in that it is egregious that there was no autopsy. Once cremation is done. You can never go back. Might I add that the Coroner system is another thing that is rife with loopholes and potential for substandard procedures and corruption. I once lived in a county where our coroner was a DVM- who had lost his license to practice. I love to hear your words,” you’re about to enter the Police off the Cuff Zone.” Rock on Sgt. Bill!💙💙💙
LE did know that Mica was in crisis and being threatened by JP. It seems LE refused and continues to refuse to do anything. I hope I am wrong, but with every passing day, that does not seem to be the case.
I think they lured her there under the guise of turning over pictures/videos made of her, all with the intent of taking her out and making it look like suicide. I believe they lured her, distracted her and someone else came up from behind and shot her up with something disabling her allowing them to ‘force’ her suicide, and THAT’S why he cremated her.
So, she bought a gun for protection. He could have had her followed. She could have being crying, because she knew the what the predator was going to do.
A lot of errors in the tv report. She met him +- 14 when they moved to Myrtle Beach, at 17/18 she married his friend but then divorced, they finally got married around 24.
She married her first husband at 18 years old, young, but not a child. JP married them. His first wife divorced him after catching JP and Mica in the act.
No. He says he is. Gives the appearance of one. But I have never seen one more evil. Would in sheep clothing. False prophets. The devil roams the world seeking those he can destroy. From the Bible.
In my state involuntary mental hold is determined by her wanting to hurt herself or others or incapable of caring for herself and thus a danger to herself. Officers interview said person. If she clearly has hurt herself or says shes going to or says she wants to hurt others, or is mentally out of it, it is cause for an involuntary mental hold.
Laws need to be changed
If a wife has filed for divorce and dies, her body should not be released to her husband.
Cremation rules should be ammended, too. When person dies in suspecious circumstances, cremation should not be allowed.
What a sad situation. So many women are killed because of their husband's greed in case of divorce.
Exactly because there’s a file for divorce, also if they were separated
Hopefully and Im almost sure that the morgue had an inspection of the body before she was cremated and will say something to the FBI but they can be killed
Mica had filed for divorce, JP was served the 16th of April.
Why would someone
1. file for divorce
2. Pay her personal taxes the day of "self induced " infliction
3. Fill her gas tank the day of
4. Get her a sandwich and drink in route
5. The day After JP was wearing her necklace that she had on the day of
6. It was against the belief of the church for cremation.
Just what I have repeatedly heard among other information.
I agree with all of that but she had an affair with a married man with 5 children while married to his best friend. She also sent him the topless pic he posted on Facebook while claiming to be divorcing him. I think they were both crazy and weird.
@@tagladyifyNo. She was groomed as a minor. She was against much of JP's disgusting behavior. There is souch information coming out that points to JP and his attorney being very bad guys in many ways. Time will show this. She is not weird. She was abused and manipulated. She was a victim through and through.
it’s only Catholics that are against cremation
@@jazzyg530 I agree with everything that you stated and I do not believe he is innocent by any means, especially with moving money around the way he is, basically preparing in case he’s arrested. Sounds more like it to me.
@@tagladyify Remember, she was a child when he planted the seed of adultery in her mind. She was a child at the time. He was a married adult with 5 children at the time. He knew better.
I don't believe she did this to herself especially after listening to an interview with her father.
I'm even more convinced after listening to her best friend's interview
No way she did this to herself!
13:05 check the credentials. Real ministers have over sight. This guy is a con. Sheep look up
It’s therapy to me to know others see the obvious
GOOD GRIEF😂, whose side are you on, obviously JP
QUESTION: IF SHE WAS WEARING THE NECKLACE THAT DAY SHE BOUGHT THE GUN. HOW IS IT HE'S WEARING IT IN THAT INTERVIEW? DID POLICE TAKE THE NECKLACE BACK TO HER APARTMENT? DID POLICE GIVE IT TO HIM? I'M INTRESTED HOW HE GOT IT. 👍❤️❤️❤️🙏
Maybe they had matching necklaces
And Mica was found 40 yards away from where the said action occurred. How is that possible if Mica did was LE claimed, she obviously did not walk herself to the water 40 yards away and place herself in the water.
The gun was purchased for protection and the full video at pawn shop shows her constantly looking over her shoulders as though she felt someone following her.
A black truck circled the gas station around 3x driving by, pulling in and parking, driving away, coming back and repeating.
I still don't believe Mica pulled the trigger. Why would she fill her car with gas? Why would she have a sandwich in her car? Why would she buy a cold drink? What were the scratches on her hand that was supposed to have pulled the trigger? Why was there no autopsy and why was she cremated so fast?
I feel she didn't pull the trigger willingly! He often told her he would ice her and make everyone think she done it
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!! The bruises on her hands, and arms, and the fact that three bullets were fired..... and they did find the shell casings, of which only ONE, was in her head.
She stated IF I END UP WITH A BULLET IN MY HEAD, J.P. DID IT.
I have prayed about this, and believe JP strong armed her to shoot herself.
The fisherman is questionable, as he only heard one gun shot.
@@BeverlyMullen wow I had no idea. They found three casings that makes it even more fishier. I just don’t believe it that she did it herself.
@@BeverlyMullen I think the misfired bullets are evidence of a struggle. Supposedly, she was trained and knowledgeable about firearms. She wouldn't have wasted bullets.
JP's 'church' was also tied somehow to the park where Mica died (the specific part across the water from where she was). She was dressed for work, had an appointment set for the following week & had just filled her car up with gas. When I was planning to end my life I didn't have appointments set, wasn't dressed for anything afterwards (after what?) and sure didn't make sure my car was filled up with gas. Those little things may be looked over by some but to me they just don't ring true. So much is fishy...
I’m glad you didn’t leave us early the world needs you more than you know 💕
@@sarahjoy8479 Thank you! That was about 30 years ago, around 10 into an abusive marriage that got far worse before he passed. Now I can look back and see God's hand in all that I have gone through, that included. Actually that's what brought me back to Him-which made all the difference! We never know what our true purpose is in life but the closer we look & the longer we live the more we can see!
He didn't have to say I never hurt my wife EVER, if he never EVER hurt her! Just makes him look more guilty with having to say that 🤬
Him admitting her into a mental hospital is assuming on his part that he knows what shes feeling & thinking, then using it against her for his sermons is slander, he is an entitled obnoxious individual, RIP Mica🕊️🙏
I do not believe she did it!!
How can he say he tried to raise Mica from the dead when he had her cremated?
It is my understanding that he spent time with her body at the funeral home before the cremation.
Exactly what i thought-when was she cremated?
@@SunnyBunny132the coroner said he made that up. All he did was stand in the corner of the room and was not alone with her. It was all theatrics. The man is a LIAR.
He is a grandiose narcissist.
Exactly!! Big red flag!!!
The ear witness also stated that there was 2 people in a boat coming from area, where she was found. Although he didn't know that at that time
This is relevant as JPs lawyers property backs onto area where she was found, and it would explain an exit point. Also lawyer specializes in AI
It’s so infuriating he discusses her private medical health which her family say she had nothing wrong with her mental health until she met him when you love your spouse you don’t tell people they are insane and call them crazy and discuss infirmities it’s so undignified and actually cruel and degrading I don’t know how this man has not been taught a lesson by some male friends of hers if u know what I’m saying
And people that don't pick up on that obvious nonsense, are just as bad for believing all the lies.
Due to poor police work, there’s no details about the place the car was parked. Asphalt or gravel? Tire tracks from a second vehicle or other foot prints? She wouldn’t have bruised or been scratched post mortem due to lack of blood flow. If she had filed for divorce, he was no longer in control. Her family would’ve known this. There are no coincidences The fact that she was in a park seemingly unknown to her that has ties to the attorney is questionable. JP mandating they sign a form to release her before they could see her is highly suspicious. Law enforcement must be in his pocket for a true investigation not to have been done. Coroner, regardless of medical degree or not, should’ve completed an autopsy for an unattended death.
Your assumptions are quite incorrect.
1) the car was in the paved main parking lot.
2) Witnesses saw Mica walking around Alone, one even talking with her briefly before she headed out for a more secluded, peaceful place. i.e. there were several people enjoying the park at the time.
* No one reported hearing more than the one gunshot.
3) You do not understand liver mortis, Blood pooling or or body recovery. Also there was a lot of debris in the immediate area and limbs etc. in the water that may account for the scratched hand.
4) He wasn't in control of Mica for months. She had been living separate since late Jan./early Feb. and had even been attending a different church.
5) Police confirmed internet search from her phone - Parks near me. Lumber River gets a lot of decent reviews.
6) A for investigations, the work gets done and a summery conclusions is about the all the public gets when it is completed.
a) NC - had a verified 911 Call from Mica Phone, Spoke with potential witnesses at the park, participated in Recovery and had the Coroner on location.
*Why would NC look for a Tracker on the car of a Suicide caller, having No Previous knowledge of her personal history? That was Fathers Grief in search of blame.
SC - confirmed the Location of JP Miller Vehicle and His whereabouts at the time of Her Fatal outcome..
The waters are muddy enough without poorly informed people continuing to make reckless assumptions.
***None of this is to take away from a tragic lose of a families loved one, but Accusations, Rumors and uninformed assumptions just make things worse for everyone.
@@crxessAmazing info! Extremely news worthy.. Do you have factual knowledge of said person that spoke to Mica @ Lumber State Park when she's out walking around alone, before heading to a secluded area.. Pls, share where you've received this information!
You sound like JP’s attorney, or maybe JP himself.
@@crxessperhaps you can be enlightened by more recent reports.
@@KimberlyPiner I have likely reviewed as much as anyone following this matter.
People continue to ignore Law vs. emotion.
i.e. Objective review vs. Subjective assumption.
When any Report, or Affidavit is given, it is Claim being made by the individual requesting the filing.
Any evidence = Fact(if applied in full context)
Any Accusation is left to be Proven in legal proceedings.
This is one reason so many Divorce cases get so nasty in court. - Claims unsubstantiated don't go far.
From the Mound of pure Bullsh** I have run across while following this, and it continues to this day, I have resigned myself to looking ad Facts in evidence and Claims made by Mica.
-0- grace for JP, in my opinion he is extremely troubling.
Minimal Grace for Mica Family, as I am sure the pain of losing a family member is devastating. *I have already lost to many.
Already, both Mica Father and her Sister have had several interviews where things seem to change.(non-consistency of statements)
None of this lets JP off the hook, however it brings in the need for Proof - Facts.
Her father said the scratches were on her hand. There are no scratches on her hand at the pawn shop.
He should have been arrested along time ago, or are they waiting for him to hurt someone else this is crazy. She wasn’t mentally ill, he was.. Marrital property don’t make sense.
It's unbelievable what money can buy! There is so much that is being covered up here. That church and it's organization has a lot to hide!!
Also such a considerate woman why no suicide note to her family that does not seem logical
I agree, , she seemed like too much of a family person to do that to her family
Good point. Justice for Mica.
There's absolutely no way in the world she killed herself. She was followed. That's why she purchased the gun. A bullet hole in the tree. So many different things that speak to this being a murder
JP always tried to make it sound like Mica was full of herself, ... wanting her picture taken ect.... yuk, what a CREEP!!!!!!
I think Mica was lured to that park. She bought the gun that day to protect herself for going to meet JP at the park. She's seen in the pawn shop smiling when paying for it. There was a bullet shot it a tree, casings, defensive wounds, 911 call her father said there was shouting. All of this, along with Mica's warning of JP making her death look like suicide and her father saying the 911 call is suspicious regarding her talking and thinking it was AI, this is the very thing poor Mica warned about that he'd make it seem like suicide, yet the police are ignoring this. Also too, why was JP so quick in having her cremated if he's innocent? If she shot herself, the earwitness would have heard her fall into the water as well after the shot. I agree with Mica's family about what happened to her going from what they have learned about everything. This case makes me so sad for Mica and her family😢🙏 and angry with JP he's an evil, ugly narcissist🤬👿👹
I believe she thought she was going to meet the attorney, whose lands is close to where she was found. But instead of Tom Winslow, JP was there. I believe he told her he would k!ll her and she was able to call 911 to make him look innocent but she knew it would raise red flags with her family -who knew she would not end her own life. If JP was at Winslow's property near the state park and Winslow had JP's truck and cell phone they could make it look all cleaned up. But they weren't expecting this to go so viral and have so many eyes on them. I pray the guilty go to prison. Too bad the police and medical examiner did such a poor job investigating. They are likely covering up for them.
I'm not a technology expert, but I think you can hijack someone's phone and listen to their calls and probably make calls from it, too. He had possession of her phone in the past. Perhaps he had her under complete surveillance.
He was trying to play god. His hubris will ultimately bring about his own demise.
And there’s AI which JP’s attorney specializes in. And you can use any phone and transfer a number to it and search for a park and leave it with her. I think JP had everything to do with this!
There should have been autopsy 😢
Sloppy police 👮 work!
The pervasive behavior and down right psychological bullying should be punishable by law.
This is a type of DV that unfortunately is never acknowledged. And police feel they have better things to do.🙄💀
I thought that there was a probable cause to suspect suspicious activity in her death, the police detectives could get a warrant to obtain any "deleted' files and photos from her laptop, cellphone ect. ..
There seems to be (lack of interest) by LE in this case😮
Why did she make a lunch for herself that day? Why did she buy $25 in gas to go, what, 8 miles? Why did she buy a pack of extra bullets?
💯 really great points!
Why did she drive close to (if not all the way to) the attorneys property that butts up against a creek which leads to the wooded area she passed in? I'm talking about Tom Winslow. I do not believe she did it. I believe she was lured there until false pretenses and was ambushed by JP. Just because his truck was seen traveling out of town doesn't mean he was driving it
@@jazzyg530His truck was seen 3 times around the gas station! It's on video
It was a black truck, I saw that too. That was def weird!!!
2 I do not believe she killed herself.
How he was able to change the deed over to someone else, Is mind blowing to me. Sounds like he did that illegally. I hope and pray the FBI take a deep dive into. Her husband and his actions. I don’t know if she killed herself or not but if she was afraid for life, I don’t believe she would take her life!
Probably with the help of his attorney, Tom Winslow. Looks like they falsified some notarized documents. I think they were laundering money and Mica found evidence. This was no su!c!de
How did she get in the water. Why was he allowed to cremate her while an investigation was going on?
Don't forget, 501c3 churches/non profits have state and federal accounting guidelines that must be strictly followed.
I'm sorry but when I saw him face-planted on the lawn and speaking like a muppet, That was it for me.
She didn’t kill herself. She told ppl if she was found w/ a bullet in her head she didn’t do it JP did and he’ll make it look like a suicide.
Why wouldn't the 911 operator try and talk her down??? I know I would, even if it doesn't help it's no harm to try!!! If this woman called 911 to say she was unaliving herself.. yea John Paul's lawyer has or had property in with that park. The Lord knows what happened and it WILL come out!!!
Sounds fake
I heard truck spotted on camera at the store before her death kept riding by. I heard was registered to thr church.
God is exposing the truth in the churches.
That church just has to be a money laundering situation, thereby LE protection. JPM has overstepped and brought light to the evil going on there. FBI now involved, but not there to investigate Mica’s death, which means it is financial/tax involvement. I pray justice for Mica.
This is a "man-child" who was so obsessed with his estranged wife that he habitually followed, stalked, tracked, taunted, and abused her, yet he wants us to believe that on the very day she is meant to have taken her own life, he has no idea where she was, and he was nowhere near her........
She could of bought it for protection
But she had no bruises or scratches on her hands. Her dad said she did when he viewed het body!! She didn’t kill herself.
Because he abused her that is why she had mental health issue! She had PTSD I could tell by the gloss in her eyes and her voice!! And the WORLD FAILED her… Shame on whomever failed this woman and didn’t help her and HE DID HURT HIS WIFE and WE SEE all this stuff and he APOLOGIZED for the slashing of the tires in private with her not with the WORLD so he goes out and lies to the WORLD and to GOD and this is why people don’t GO TO Church!
Just a thought, the gloss in her eyes you describe could have been the result of any medication she took, ie lithium. IDK. My aunt took lithium and she described it as flatlining, having no highs or lows and that’s why she would go off the medication, she wanted to emote.
As Mica runs to another church. Brainwashed and spellbound😢
My friend got fed up with the Catholic Church (probably because of the sex abuse scandal) and considered joining the Episcopal Church. She said the pastor came to her house to see how much money she has and discuss how much he wanted her to donate. She never went back and returned to the Catholics.
From one heretic wolf to the next. We don't need any of these so-called denominations. Everything we need is written in the library called the Bible.
Has anyone looked up the meaning of "to groom someone"? She was misused and abused since she was a child by a man who ppl are supposed to be able to trust.
This Pastor was an authority figure in Micas life originally. So for Mica to have the founder of the church, pay attention to her must have made her feel good about herself at first. But he didn’t have to do that. He made a choice as a Pastor to put himself and Mica in situations instead of using good judgment.Maybe find an elder church lady to babysit his kids instead of a young woman?…that is what reputable Pastors do. They also will delegate others to help alongside them and hold them accountable to their actions and decisions. Often in church abuse the leader will select weak prey, will justify wrong behavior and convince their victims to participate in wrong actions. And the victim willingly submits to the one in leadership. Especially someone who has low self esteem. And that type of personality is easier to control. The age gap also made her vulnerable. I don’t care if she was 23 when she married him. #1 the adult brain isn’t fully developed until age 25. #2 There was an imbalance of power, and he was the one with authority over her as a church leader. I have to say all of this is mere speculation of examples of grooming.. such a tragedy.
This stinks all the way up.
How do we not know he had spoken to her just before? How do we know he did not follow her, or have her followed?
My husband is a preacher and a man of integrity, and i also know a lot of pastors that serve from the heart. Sorry you feel that way. 😢
If she had defensive wounds, scratches how come she could be cremated so fast. All this would not bring back Mica, but if changes are put, future wife killers might be stopped or at least arrested😢.
A lot can happen in 1.5 hr drive from the gas station to the park. Especially if someone is tracking or following you.
... or hiding in the back seat.
@@Coloradodogmama or in the trunk. Jp could have had copies made of her keys.
Then there is the truck around her car there that’s the same as JP’s truck. No one has showed any actual pics of JP in SC.
She told her sister she was purchasing a firearm
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I think he had her killed if he didn’t do it his self she had just served papers on him and took out a restraining order on him. Why would she do that if she was gonna kill herself? I also think she bought the gun to protect herself.
Exactly 💯
Having a restraining order should have kept him ,JP from having authority over her body postpartum.
The thing that i have a question about is that it has been reported that the body was found a ways away from where they located her belongings. She was in the water, but they said it wasn’t moving water and would not have expected a body to move that far. None😊 of this may be accurate???
What about the rush cremation!!!!! This is criminal
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How is it she shot herself in one spot where the gun and bullet casing was found and her body is found a distance away from that area and ends upin the water?
I’m new here to your channel. I much appreciate you covering this and will continue to watch & listen to your insights. *Please keep covering this!*
You should react to or at least watch/listen to the interview with Mica’s best friend, Charlotte where she says something along the lines of “mica had to borrow money to pay for her taxes &/or car, due to struggling to get money and divorce from husband.. so how did she have $500 to purchase a gun? Why would she have a hair appointment scheduled for days later? Plus Mica was a big family person, why go all the way to that national park to do this to herself? Why not make a last call or text to family and friends before? Why not do this at home? Why not leave a letter for her family?”
After watching Grizzly True Crime’s recent video w/all the footage of Mica’s last hours, I’m starting to think someone was forcing mica to do all this.. 🤷🏼♀️ in the footage, it kinda seemed like she was looking over her shoulder a lot, she looked extremely sad, & at the gas station that she stopped at, the footage does show what looks like the same black truck circling around that gas station at least 3 separate times while mica was there. And her dad saying she had what seemed like defense markings, scratches & bruises, on her hands as if someone forced her hand.
Mica was finally getting her divorce, after going through many lawyers who had connection to JP she finally found one that didn’t and was preparing to finally get away from him! And she did have great plans for her missionary work in Africa! I just don’t know what to think but either way I hope her real family & friends get justice and maybe the FBI will put some kinda charges against JP because *whether or not he caused this to mica, he has been a bad person for a long time!*
But according to reports, she was buying the gun for protection, not self harm.
I would like to respond to the speculation that the 911 call might have been made with AI technology. As a person who has lived with a narcissist for over 20 years, I can, definitely, say that it changes the way you communicate. The victim is used to “walking on eggshells” so much, that they become very careful in the way they speak to other people. I have caught myself speaking the same way Mica spoke on the 911 call many times, especially when I am holding in a lot of pain! To me, the voice on the 911 call sounds just like the voice on the video Mica made where she was talking to people about abuse!
The family/ her sister states that she told them she was going to buy a gun to protect herself. And it is said JP Miller's lawyer's property backs up to the park. There's something very fishy about how the investigators handled this case. Their lackadaisical attitude , especially no autopsy is very suspicious. What is the relationship between JP & the NC/SC police? His history shows quite a number of felonies or charges that he never received any punishment for
Has anybody considered even once that the ‘ear witness’ is actually who committed this crime against Mica, and threw off the cops by claiming to be just an ear witness, and haphazardly ‘finding’ her purse and I think her phone, but doesn’t try to see if someone was hurt nearby..?🙄
Agent in place😎
Dad says she was speaking slowly , maybe they gave her something and asked her to do things like buy the gun, make the call..
2!! He 💯DID IT!!
If she wanted her family to find her body then why did she stand in the water to pull the trigger?? That doesn’t make sense to me…….
How can a preacher man say I tried to raise her from the dead???? What audacity! My Jesus don’t care for that!
Why didn't her family go to the DA office??!
He knew she went there!! He called her friend and told her that. You need to hear that interview!!
Police off the cuff!! You surely don’t buy this self harm garbage?!!!!! Look at the unanswered questions
How can the picture of her phone show the time of 2:40pm but Mica didn`t call 911 until 2:54pm? Hum
We don't know when they took the Pic of the phone do we? It could have been documented in the day afterwards. . .which also looks bad b/c that seems like slack police work
God will handle him.
2 things do not add up!!!!😢
Perhaps they found something against JPM in her car or her purse to cause them to call in the FBI
2. Too many unanswered questions
Police off the cuff. Why do you believe she committed suicide? Seeing her buy the gun she was killed with doesn’t prove anything.
OK, I have a problem when I watched the entire video from the place where she bought the gun, to the gas market where she was inside for a while, while inside there her husband's truck went buy there one way and them came back buy the other way she was still in the store. Then she went to the park and parked. They didn't show her get out if I remember right then that the phone call from her car before she went into the woods. That was the end. Just a shame. I am wondering if she saw her husband's truck go by 2 times when she was in the store of the gas station???
If I said car I meant truck.
Church owns 29 cars. It could have been any of those being used that day to follow her.
Most people don't tell others there going to kill themselves. People who kill themselves surprise everyone. Just doesn't add up to someone preparing to live. The husband is not truthful and is very questionable in many areas.
J P MILLER’S dad is Dr Reginald Wayne Miller age 70
Her father in law did it to protect his son or had someone do it .
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Hello 👋 Sergeant Bill
A picture of a truck with someone’s license plate doesn’t mean they are in the truck, meaning it doesn’t make sense to say a picture or more of his identified vehicle without seeing him in it is proof that JP wasn’t near the scene or gives him a valid alibi.
Right!!! They aren’t qualified!! No they had no MD there!!
Replay crew here. Catching up (following the Karen Read fiasco, I mean trial, on Melanie Little’s channel. ) I support the 💙, but there’s some problems over in Canton/Boston. My motto is always: Let Justice prevail!
This case, I have to say, has me a little concerned that things aren’t as they appear or as we’ve been lead to believe. I agree with you in that it is egregious that there was no autopsy. Once cremation is done. You can never go back. Might I add that the Coroner system is another thing that is rife with loopholes and potential for substandard procedures and corruption. I once lived in a county where our coroner was a DVM- who had lost his license to practice.
I love to hear your words,” you’re about to enter the Police off the Cuff Zone.” Rock on Sgt. Bill!💙💙💙
Great to hear you say that!! Like I said you don’t know everything. Keep listening to her father. You may very well change your mind.
overwhelming evidence she was overwhelmed.
LE did know that Mica was in crisis and being threatened by JP. It seems LE refused and continues to refuse to do anything. I hope I am wrong, but with every passing day, that does not seem to be the case.
No there are no bruises or scratches when she was purchasing the gun.
2. Too much doesn’t add up!
What about moving assets!!!!
I think they lured her there under the guise of turning over pictures/videos made of her, all with the intent of taking her out and making it look like suicide. I believe they lured her, distracted her and someone else came up from behind and shot her up with something disabling her allowing them to ‘force’ her suicide, and THAT’S why he cremated her.
I don’t Believe that she did it , I really don’t , and he could’ve been in the car while she was buying that gun , and he could’ve made her do it .
So, she bought a gun for protection. He could have had her followed. She could have being crying, because she knew the what the predator was going to do.
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A lot of errors in the tv report. She met him +- 14 when they moved to Myrtle Beach, at 17/18 she married his friend but then divorced, they finally got married around 24.
She married her first husband at 18 years old, young, but not a child. JP married them. His first wife divorced him after catching JP and Mica in the act.
EXACTLY!! Run out the door and never turn back! Wacko he is!
I'm beginning to think JP was tutored by police connections
He is all to sure of himself 😮
This is a man of God we're talking about right
No. He says he is. Gives the appearance of one. But I have never seen one more evil. Would in sheep clothing. False prophets. The devil roams the world seeking those he can destroy. From the Bible.
That recording was an AI
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They were tracking her!
In my state involuntary mental hold is determined by her wanting to hurt herself or others or incapable of caring for herself and thus a danger to herself. Officers interview said person. If she clearly has hurt herself or says shes going to or says she wants to hurt others, or is mentally out of it, it is cause for an involuntary mental hold.