🍿Hi, just dropping a note to say that the Editor Phil breaks are fascinating because they make me go off and spend almost all day on Wikipedia looking up and reading about everything you mention. Never never never stop dropping history facts in these videos (also love the backstory of all of your regions and the bureaucratic parts of planning and how things come about!)
I was a geophysicist and environmental scientist for years and worked on some highway projects in my city. One of the more famous events that completely stalled a highway upgrade project was the discovery of an endangered cave spider was found on the planned highway site. It stalled the project for years after they essentially had to wait for the spider to move out from the site. That spider was found during a geologic assessment of the site. It's so great to see that you've highlighted the need for environmental studies and works!
I constantly have this issue in my line of work, many municipal renovation and real estate projects are stalled because they find bats or other endangered species. It is standard to do a quicktest and further ecological research if needed in the early development stages. If they do find bats, we have to erect alternative housing for them. I know some projects are stalled for years, because the bats refuse to leave :)
Imagine the compulsory archaeological surveys and inevitable excavations along the entire way on the top of that. Of course, only at places that have history that comes with archaeology.
I like to imagine where I personally would like to live in your builds. So, as a Shorewood resident, thank you for protecting our beautiful town from being torn apart by a highway😁🥰
For that interchange with all the back up at the stop light, it may help to change the lanes. It's an asymmetric road where the two lanes have hardly any traffic and the one lane has the heavy traffic.
This is Phil's secret Achilles heel really, it is not the first time that one of his highway off ramps has a very short distance to the next stopping point and not nearly enough lanes to let those coming off the highway spread out into multiple lanes to make it through the signalized intersection into town. He will eventually fix it at least somewhat in an Episode or two when the need for two lanes on the exit ramp and an asymmetrical road to the next intersection bite him the rear end. 🐊🐊🐊 (Especially as he uses the lanes leading the other direction from the interchange at some point.)
First of all great episode and this project was very wel needed. Also I think you definitely chose the right route.Additionally the last interchange you constructed is perfect. 1. The first system interchange has unnecessary weaving and more bridging than necessary. You should remove the loop connecting the main highway through the map to your new spur: Instead make it a trumpet interchange by connecting directly around the other loop into the main highway. Also shift the whole interchange a bit to the north and then the impacts to the rail are significantly reduceds and you should be able to get rid of the tall bridge. 2. The collector that connects to the service interchange needs more capacity especially some turning lanes onto the existing arterial. 3. The service interchange needs acceleration lanes over the Bridges coming off the loops. It doesn’t meet interstate standards and would be very dangerous.
I agree, and I also generally dislike that type of interchanges, as the off ramp is after the on ramp, meaning that there will be conflict between the cars that want to go onto the other HW and the ones that are coming from the other HW.
It’s also just worse and perhaps more expensive than a trumpet interchange. I’ve only ever seen that interchange design where the highway is planned to continue so it’ll be a cloverleaf eventually
Thank you for thinking about the displacement and how it will affect Shorewood, I know its just a game but as you said, things like that happen and happened a lot. Educating people about it and how people like Robert Moses weaponized planning while hurting so many people is such an important thing not a lot of people are talking about. It hurt so many communities and some of them may never fully heal. Thank you for your videos, and this meant a lot to me this entire second segment
I think it would be really cool if you made a video walking around your cities in first person. Like overcharged egg did in Ilos. Verde beach is an amazing city, i believe I talk for a lot of us when I say that the city would look really nice from ground level.
@@Celominho I agree. Phil does some fantasic city tours at the end of each episode. An additional walk through of some of the main improvements over a course of episodes would be great. It doesn't necessarily have to be a fixed number of episodes, but I agree 10 to 15 sounds like a reasonable rate.
Hi Phil, thankls for the episode! So goosd to see Clearwater County again. There's a couple of spots that you missed. The rail bridge over the service interchange you put in (by the timed traffic light) didn't get sloped, there's a pretty significant jump in the rail there. I think one side of the bike bridge has a node too close to another too. Also, the Shorewood side of the DDI, where the highway splits into two separate roads, has some u-turning; it needs some TMPE lane control.
Every time you tell a story that explains why you're adding or changing things in the build, I'm blown away by your intelligence and creativity. You're amazing! Keep up the awesome work!
Personally I'd love to see you do a from the ground up city build for 2023 with a focus on biking, walkability and essentially going human-centric design vs the normal automobile-centric design that US cities currently use. Bonus points for mixed use zones and parks!
I struggle to create highway interchanges, so I have a LOT of them downloaded from the workshop. And despite using the multitool, I had never thought of using it in conjunction with those interchanges, instead often resorting to massive highway reconstruction to shoehorn them in. Thanks for lesson using the two together!
One of my favorite stretches of interstate is i74 between i80 and US-34 in western Illinois. The northbound and southbound lanes diverge several times and are separated by big patches of forest. This probably prevented having to do an insane amount of grading to keep the lanes level with each other.
I loved to hear you talk about the oversights we have with guard rails. There's actually a guy here on RUclips that goes and Inspects them because he lost his daughter to a faulty guardrail
I saw one of his shorts ! Crazy how often apparently it's not properly installed, doesn't make much sense, like if you built a traffic light with its pieces in the wrong order...
I really appreciate you going in-depth on Robert Moses (beyond a name-check). I think the defining quote of his was, “If the ends don’t justify the means, then what does?”
For his time, Robert Moses was a pretty good engineer/planner. However, he lacked the knowledge to realize how much the population on Long Island would grow so basically most of his roads are absolute junk now. And we can leave out his PERSONAL thoughts of why he built highways the way he did. Adding an Edit: Find out why he built the bridges over the southern state parkway on long island so low clearance which connected NYC with Jones Beach and beyond.
46:00 why not turn in the keep the diverging diamond and instead eliminate the trumpet interchange? The outbound highway could be turned to utilize the DDI while the local road that previously was using it could just meet the highway at a T intersection earlier. That should provide the best access for Belmont.
🍿 Love that you're showcasing that you can indeed build a highway project with minimal disruption to the existing urban fabric! One comment: I think you forgot to go back and check the slopes on the rail bridge over the interchange by the country club!
That drive into Van Buren where you can see the Capitol dome in the distance is so dope. I could see the spur being extended on the same plane going up around the West side of Van Buren/the university and meeting up with the Johnson Creek expressway on the other side of the stadium.
I very much appreciated the Robert Moses bit! I'm a tour guide in NYC and talk about his changes often. He also wanted to blast a highway through SoHo which we're glad he didn't do. And at the time it was definitely a low income neighborhood as well. He also almost tore down Castle Clinton at the southern tip of Manhattan because they wouldn't let him build the bridge you mentioned had it not been for the NPS stepping in and claiming it as a landmark (thank god). He did some truly awful things! I really enjoy watching your videos! I'm not very good at Cities Skylines but I've learned some from you!
Please build more housing. More service blocks. Anything. There’s a housing crisis , downtown Ashland is dead, and there’s red workers needed popups everywhere. I love this series and I’ve been so invested in it which is why I can’t let it go. Look at that residential demand! It’s been through the roof ever since Van Buren started being built, a while real life year ago.
@@CityPlannerPlays Maybe ur first real Highrise in Capitol, not a NY style 70 - 100 floors but like Malmö thats like 50-60 and becomes a real Landmark in a smaller city. And i remembered the Highschoolyou built by the water needs a beachvollyboll club, So the can play on the Teams in collage ^^
@@christoffermontefello-karl2969 malmo is like a million+ people, it's a lot bigger than vab Buren, I think 20 stories is as high as you could really go with out it seeming super out of place
Another great build - I do love this series! Can't help but think, instead of that half clover-leaf you could have used a trumpet and not had to impact the rail bridge at all (and the added benefit of no conflict between those joining and exiting the highway).
So happy to finally see another episode of Clearwater County in my feed. Your discussion of Robert Moses was great - I’ve read and loved Robert Caro’s books on LBJ and have been meaning to read the Power Broker as well, so this was encouraging. Also, the highway project reminded me of a real project close to where I’m from in Norway (E134 Drammen-Mjøndalen). Amazing episode.
Phil that ramp at the end of the highway is a crime against arrange at line mode. I'm loving this build. I really enjoy the storytelling and reasoning behind everything.
You mentioned that someone said RUclipsrs rely on anarchy too much. I think RUclipsrs pause the game too often. Even when they're not doing something that would cause issues within the city (Like detailing). But I appreciate how you, for the most part, keep the simulation going.
In the space of the new parclo nearest to the rail network you can put in a freight depot to relieve some traffic. Also the station by the river needs to have the switches looked at.
Those trees should also have barrier along them. The cars on Interstate drives something like 80MPH in case of crash people inside the car are 100% dead. Most of the highways in europe have just a barriers instead. Also another interesting idea would be making animal passes over highways its becoming more common to see those in europe. Also you should consider building a truck stop along interstate (maybe instead of that Big Box retail area) i heard that these are really popular in US.
44:12 All of those people coming off the interstate only have one lane for going right, left, or straight. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to add turn lanes to that segment so people have effectively more room to queue so everyone is only waiting behind someone wanting to go their same direction 🚴
Lovely spur, and great story of its creation. Really look forward to the development near the service interchange. I'd expect at least two episodes before any updates on the interstate highway upgrade though. Maybe even three or four to really illustrate the speed at which the federal government moves.
Looks really good :) Only the one side of the bicycle bridge has a bit of tearing. I do feel like I remember you elevating that whole bike path (while it is on the ground) intentionally as a way of adding safety rails to the bike path, as it is running along side the rail.
I think the new highway is great and provides the ability to expand it and connect to the highway by the industrial complex via a tunnel in the future when it gets controlled access. Although the destruction of the DDI was necessary I feel like it will harm Shorewood since it now only has one lower capacity service interchange to feed all the industry. I think that by adding a new service interchange by the rest stop you can give Belmont access to the highway as well as give the truckers a way to deliver goods to Shorewood with the county highway. All in all another great video! Keep up the good work 👍
🚄 Great episode and also I loved that you got into Moses. If we're gonna unpack the last century of urban development in the U.S., we have to heal the scars that are American highways.
At 37:25, cars are stopping because whenever one of them enters the junction, It's considered blocked. simply activate the "enter blocked junction" setting in tmpe and it should fix it
I think the country Club would demand a soundwall and landscaping on its side of the highway. Also. I think the raised need to be sloped together with the bike path, at the new interchange. Maybe put it up on a berm? All that material left from cutting into the hill.
I love both infrastructure focuses. Bike or highway, I like learning what a state and federal mindset when considering what progress looks like. Keep it going! 🍿🚗🚲
I'd love to see him focusing as much on the bike infrastructure as he does on the highways. Did you notice that the bike highway has FEWER connections than the highway which was freshly build beside it?
I have been watching you for sometime now and I enjoy your builds because you keep it realistic. I have never really felt the need to comment or critique your build until today. First, I work in construction as a carpenter and even once worked for a company that builds bridges and roads. I have never seen a train go over an interchange or junction. Keep in mind, I live in Canada so this might not be true for the US but if the train has to cross the highway(freeway)it is often done across the highway(freeway) not at an interchange where you can get back-ups this seems like a safety hazard. Never mind the noise a train makes, which would distract drivers.
i started watching cpp in the early verde beach days because I was interested in seeing a professionals perspective through cities skylines and this episode all this time later is an awesome reminder of why I watch these videos
I just wanted to say I really appreciate how Phil tells his audience to take the time and research Robert Moses themselves and not take his opinion as gospel. In a world where so many want everyone else to think exactly like them this was a breath of fresh air, I’ve been a fan of yours for a while but this gave me a new level of respect for you Phil.
As far as highways go, I love how you balanced connectivity with invasiveness! For the spur’s terminating interchange, I’m concerned that the two loops will cause weaving. Why not just go with a trumpet? Thanks!
I love episodes like this. Highway planning is always fun to watch. I did notice one thing though. When you removed that DDI, you also removed most of Shorewood's connection to the Interstate. They don't even have access to the new spur that was put in without going most of the way to Van Buren. You could potentially clean up that issue, by adding a connection between the old bridge over the highway where the DDI used to be, and the highway that connects to the nearby interchange that was too close. That should allow highway access similar to what it had before, but cleaner, with less conflict points.
Robert Moses was a genius at planning and gathering influence, using both get a lot of planning projects done which drastically changed the NYC metro area, but his projects destroyed the fabric of communities and set a precedence for others across the country to turn many downtowns across America into empty shells of what they once were.
Love it Phil! I’d like to see another episode where you try to make those improvements in real time. That was the first episode I watched of CWC and I enjoyed it! I’d also like to see the other side turned into interstate but maybe come up the hill and connect with the other side, rather than going through the city? One thing is for sure, you have a very complex task ahead!
For the system interchange around 15:00 Arrange at line and set slope tools will always evenly space out the nodes that are being traced along. For your anarchy problem try to build a habit of only having it on for the moment you need it and immediately turning it off again. And your intersection markings are going in all wrong directions. Traffic flows with the grain that is made by the painted lines. Thus for merging lanes, the chevron makes an arrow that points in the opposite direction of traffic flow. (correctly done at 37:10)
Phil, I think you gotta check the rail bridge again. You have just under 2% on one side of your middle, just over 3% on the other, but because they are meeting a middle point (rather than a level middle segment) you have a single point with a 5% grade change. Since that grade change occurs at a single node I think there is serious danger of trains jumping their tracks, especially if they don't know the exact grade change or how their current load weights will impact on it.
As always, great job. The level of detail you put into these builds is wonderful and really works to make your cities come to life. In the future, I would really enjoy seeing some sort of development come from the second connector going onto the mountain. Possibly for some bigger mansion-like homes with some gorgeous mountain views. Keep up the great work Phil!!!
I love making intersection markings for highways, since they do take awhile, why don’t you make some on/off ramp templates? As long as they fit the lane math, it makes the process a little quicker.
Yeah, using saved presets saves a lot of time with intersection markings... keep a library of all the common ones for on/off ramps and you can apply them to all parts of an intersection in seconds...
Hello, I enjoy the interstate build. While I agree they'd just blast thru the mountains you missed a step. That big cliff would be tiered out to prevent rock slides
Shorewood needs some sort of access to the highway. I understand why you removed the one they had but you have to replace it somehow. It could (would) also benefit other places.
That service interchange to Shorewood should not have been removed. Maybe the OTHER connection could have been moved... but Shorewood *needs* access! They have an entire street off the highway dedicated to servicing travelers. They have hotels, diners, gas stations, everything people on long road trips need! Cutting that service interchange is not only detrimental to Shorewood and could kill the town, but is also detrimental to truckers and vacationers throughout the entire state!
One thing I noticed while watching is that the bikepath near the railway and new freeway has very few intersections. Less than the nearby arterial had, even though cycling is considerably slower. I think at the moment the bikeway as it is would mainly attract daytrippers and people looking for an exercise with a good view. With more intersections/off-ramps to the suburban residential areas and the commercial developments at the edge of town it could possibly become useful for more kinds of trips, like commuting to other parts of CC, or grocery shopping.
Yes, i agree, there is a lack of connectivity to the bike highway, especially now that Mulligan Drive has sidewalks. I was not expecting for the bike highway to actually be this used though ! Bikes are awesome 😎🚴♂️🚴♀️
🍿 I'm just here watching :) Although I do have one concern about the project. I feel the line of larger trees in the center divider would be most likely either brush filled grass or would have concrete barricade walls to prevent a dead stop if a vehicle were to go off for any reason. I have a class A CDL and when I did my training and testing they explained why it's better to hit a barricade along the side that allows a vehicle to decelerate instead of a dead stop into a hard unforgiving surface such as a tree. It's a way to decrease fatalities. Other than that, it was another great episode, Phil. Looking forward to more :)
I like infrastructure because it’s fun to plan them! 🍿 I think the area near the service interchange would be perfect for a mall. I think the skyline mall pack would fit here.
I’m recently getting back into Skylines with your tutorial cities and one of my favorite things is the story telling that accompanies every episode. It’s so rich and complex.
I think you should bring the hwy closer and tunnel under the University and wrap all the way around. Really enjoying this build. Can't wait to see VB development in the future. Get a destination concert venue too! Quasi Alpine valley
I'm honestly really settling into editing. I think I'll always have some role in the editing, even if I have an editor at some point. Editing helps me tell a story, so I need to be at least somewhat involved.
Big road builds aren't always my favourite to watch, but when they're spread out few and far between I don't mind. I understand they're incredibly important for a healthy build!
Interstates are important to how people move, but I feel your city could use more public transit or longer public transit routes. I can only remember one or two episodes about trains in this series, most of this series has focused on roads for private vehicles. Bike emoji because I couldn't find it lol.
I love all the extra nuggets of city planning knowledge youre dropping in you video, like about the new york guy, this is not something i would find out otherwise and now i literally want to go and read that whole book. THANK YOU! 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
My family lives in Kansas City Missouri, I'm in Madison, always take 151 out through Iowa when we drive to visit. The blasted through areas are always my favorite part of the drive. 🚗
We in my hometown have a highway that has a traffic light intersection with another road. Now it has such severe congestion during peak times, and it would be good if it was grade separated, most of the rest of the highway has been grade separated already. Now the Governments response is that this does not need to be done because the amount of serious or fatal accidents is too low. The cities response is that the serious accidents are so low because the road is so congested that traffic is moving too slow for serious accidents.
As a NYC resident thanks for the background history on Robert Moses. I was only familiar with the causeway named after him. Never knew what he did to to be recognized. Thanks for the history lesson!
CPP, you are one of the few content creators that I click the like button before I watch the full upload because, after almost 7 years watching you, I already know that I am in for some interesting and enjoyable content. My only confusion is why you only have 462k subs when all your content is top quality and always interesting to watch. It is great to come back to this save file and implement what you have learned since and it is fascinating to see how you aim to improve it. I am already invested in this series as we learn together who to correct the mistakes that we made when we were niaive and overly confident. AWESOME series so far bud, I look forward to every new video in this series. Many thanks
The way the highway hangs along the edge of the mountain reminds me of the Columbia rover gorge and a couple freeways going through Colorado. Those had to be cut for miles with very little fill done.
🍿 another great video! Would love to see you fix some of the lumpies and bumpies around the new interchanges. It looks like you might need to remove some nodes
nothing more satisfying imo than watching you build a ton of interconnected roadways with so much attention to detail, that city tour drive down the highway felt so real!
I'm glad you didn't go through shorewood! A similar issue is happening in an area where my partner grew up, but to a much smaller extent of making a roundabout bigger and the surrounding roads wider. The plans were approved in the 70s and they have been attempting to compulsory purchase (eminent domain) the 10 or so houses that are in the way since the early 90s. As we drove through last month at about 5mph because of the severely over-congested roundabout, around 75% of the houses have finally been boarded up ready for demolition. The remainers all have banners and placards protesting the work. I'd say it'll be another decade before they will be commencing work, if they're lucky. I can only imagine how much worse it would be for putting a highway through a busy and thriving neighbourhood.
Instead of merging the Interstate with Mulligan Ave, I would turn Mulligan Ave into the interstate where the bike bridge is, and just remove Mulligan Ave from where the interstate crosses the rail until the 3 story apartmens. It seems superflouus to have both the interstate and Mulligan Ave from van Buren to the service interchange. It would make accessability to the big box store worse - ideally, the service interchange would be placed a bit closer to that one, but I don't think that's a huge issue. I'd also extend the residential area in that place, and if there's commuter rail service, I'd add a station (otherwise, I'd leave space for a future station in case commuter rail is ever added).
A tunnel under the university would make sense if you picked alternatives 3 and 4 and connected the two, to provide better access to downtown. However, one of the things that must be considered with tunnels is that in the real world, there would need to be an alternate direct route for trucks carrying hazardous materials, as if one of those trucks has a catastrophic failure, it could take down an entire tunnel. In downtown Phoenix, I-10 has a half-mile tunnel from 3rd Avenue to 3rd Street, and I-17 is the designated truck route for I-10 traffic near downtown, even though the tunnel meets other interstate standards, such as 16 foot clearances. Some bridges near system interchanges also have those requirements (e.g. State Route 202 at the interchange with State Route 101 in Tempe, as the 202 has a long bridge over the Salt River, which forces all eastbound trucks with hazardous materials to exit at McClintock Drive, a mile west of the 101).
I think you want both the pink and green routes, maybe modified slightly. But build one, like the pink, but reserve land for the green for future expansion. Also reserve the ability to connect the pink to the green. Maybe through a tunnel.
I've been watching you since you started creating content with Cities Skylines.I truly applaud you for touching on history that wasn't so great for minority communities that suffered due highway construction in NYC. Thank you!
Love it! Maybe adding an extra lane in that connection to the collector from the service interchange would help the traffic. Also the space between the highway and the rail could be a strip mall with a panda express out in the middle of the parking lot
🍿i don't know much about city planning and it's always so interesting seeing people weighing in on Clearwater county-related discussions & bringing up points i never would've thought about!
🍿 I love the ethical nature to which you approach all your builds! Even though it's imaginary and there are mulligans, I really appreciate the time you take to highlight how important it is for civic governments to balance initiatives with community equality, health and well-being.
I'm likin the new highway you have goin. I do wonder, as a truck driver, if you would have rest stops along that new stretch of road, especially as its to connect to the interstate.
Hi ... really a great and interesting build. 43:08 Seeing this intersection, the issue of dedicated lanes pops up. The first thing I see: there are three four-lane roads and the road backing up is the only asymmetric three-lane with just one lane going into the four-way intersection that came with the service interchange from the workshop. Upgrading to a four-lane, maybe even a 3+2 asymmetric could help. The other thing is a TMPE-issue ... the algorithm to setup timed traffic lights has been a little bit off for some TMPE-versions: none of your left-turns are dedicated, you even have a dedicated right-turn which might be a nice feature if you choose to have 3+2 asymmetry, but with regular four-lane roads and only two lanes going into the junction it is usually the wrong option. The rare exception are cases in which the right turn is extremely busy and tends to back up because you are approaching a cargo terminal or a similarly busy building. The DDI removal has some serious consequences and I really had to skip back through the video to get more impressions of the area and the neighbouring highway trumpet ... 6:44 if the highway trumpet was not a three-way interchange it could provide some of the connections you lost through the DDI removal. And the blue Robert-Moses-scenario would have seen the system interchange as a four-way ... what if that scenario was an early favorite with a four-way interchange already built or prepared. With the blue plan later being dropped the existing infrastructure could have been repurposed as a service interchange on the fourth side of the system interchange. It would violate the principle of separating service and system interchanges ... however my region (Ruhr district in Germany) is full of pre-built infrastructure for follow-up projects that never came or were realized with significant changes. 9:50 The choice of this workshop asset is a little bit odd but could be explained as a preparation for a future four-way cloverleaf interchange in a similar way as this design is coming with all the weaving issues of a cloverleaf interchange and forcing you to 10:01 adjust the height of the train line. As you are bending the interstate and highway with Network Multitool's arrange-at-line mode anyway a trumpet would have definetly been an option.
We need to get Phil a Wikia for Superior so he can keep his chronology on track. That way if he has to do a flashback he won't disrupt the timeline!
You have just nominated yourself for just such a thing. I have faith in your journey
@@peterlervik1640 i second the motion
Hear hear!
No better man to do it than the one with the idea
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🍿Hi, just dropping a note to say that the Editor Phil breaks are fascinating because they make me go off and spend almost all day on Wikipedia looking up and reading about everything you mention. Never never never stop dropping history facts in these videos (also love the backstory of all of your regions and the bureaucratic parts of planning and how things come about!)
Editor Phil here - I take my job quite seriously... appreciate the recognition and I'm glad that you're enjoying the edits! 😎
I was a geophysicist and environmental scientist for years and worked on some highway projects in my city. One of the more famous events that completely stalled a highway upgrade project was the discovery of an endangered cave spider was found on the planned highway site. It stalled the project for years after they essentially had to wait for the spider to move out from the site.
That spider was found during a geologic assessment of the site. It's so great to see that you've highlighted the need for environmental studies and works!
I constantly have this issue in my line of work, many municipal renovation and real estate projects are stalled because they find bats or other endangered species. It is standard to do a quicktest and further ecological research if needed in the early development stages. If they do find bats, we have to erect alternative housing for them. I know some projects are stalled for years, because the bats refuse to leave :)
amazing. It probably sucks for everyone involved but I’m just glad someone’s taking care of the bats and spiders.. so cute
@@DrSpaceman42 The urban highway sucks more 🥸
Imagine the compulsory archaeological surveys and inevitable excavations along the entire way on the top of that. Of course, only at places that have history that comes with archaeology.
@@albertlugosi yup, the exploratory phase takes like 2 years because of all that
I like to imagine where I personally would like to live in your builds. So, as a Shorewood resident, thank you for protecting our beautiful town from being torn apart by a highway😁🥰
For that interchange with all the back up at the stop light, it may help to change the lanes. It's an asymmetric road where the two lanes have hardly any traffic and the one lane has the heavy traffic.
exactly, it should have at least two lanes for the traffic that just got off the highway, to prevent backing up onto the highway
This is Phil's secret Achilles heel really, it is not the first time that one of his highway off ramps has a very short distance to the next stopping point and not nearly enough lanes to let those coming off the highway spread out into multiple lanes to make it through the signalized intersection into town. He will eventually fix it at least somewhat in an Episode or two when the need for two lanes on the exit ramp and an asymmetrical road to the next intersection bite him the rear end. 🐊🐊🐊 (Especially as he uses the lanes leading the other direction from the interchange at some point.)
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I love spotting anomalies like the 2 bridge spans; it makes you think what was either planned to be or what was previously there and makes it unique!
First of all great episode and this project was very wel needed. Also I think you definitely chose the right route.Additionally the last interchange you constructed is perfect.
1. The first system interchange has unnecessary weaving and more bridging than necessary. You should remove the loop connecting the main highway through the map to your new spur: Instead make it a trumpet interchange by connecting directly around the other loop into the main highway. Also shift the whole interchange a bit to the north and then the impacts to the rail are significantly reduceds and you should be able to get rid of the tall bridge.
2. The collector that connects to the service interchange needs more capacity especially some turning lanes onto the existing arterial.
3. The service interchange needs acceleration lanes over the Bridges coming off the loops. It doesn’t meet interstate standards and would be very dangerous.
I agree, and I also generally dislike that type of interchanges, as the off ramp is after the on ramp, meaning that there will be conflict between the cars that want to go onto the other HW and the ones that are coming from the other HW.
When people mention the lack of acceleration lanes and how it’s dangerous I just think “man that’s how every highway is designed here” lol
It’s also just worse and perhaps more expensive than a trumpet interchange. I’ve only ever seen that interchange design where the highway is planned to continue so it’ll be a cloverleaf eventually
Thank you for thinking about the displacement and how it will affect Shorewood, I know its just a game but as you said, things like that happen and happened a lot. Educating people about it and how people like Robert Moses weaponized planning while hurting so many people is such an important thing not a lot of people are talking about. It hurt so many communities and some of them may never fully heal.
Thank you for your videos, and this meant a lot to me this entire second segment
I think it would be really cool if you made a video walking around your cities in first person. Like overcharged egg did in Ilos. Verde beach is an amazing city, i believe I talk for a lot of us when I say that the city would look really nice from ground level.
Please please! we need more first person point of view!
Yes, but don't take it too far. Walk throughs are nice once in awhile, but watching the build is the fun part for me.
@@herbie_the_hillbillie_goat i think a walkthrough would be fun every 10 or 15 episodes. Just to see the progress from ground level
This would maybe be better suited for shorts? I like the idea but not sure I want to see a lot of first person view.
@@Celominho I agree. Phil does some fantasic city tours at the end of each episode. An additional walk through of some of the main improvements over a course of episodes would be great. It doesn't necessarily have to be a fixed number of episodes, but I agree 10 to 15 sounds like a reasonable rate.
Hi Phil, thankls for the episode! So goosd to see Clearwater County again.
There's a couple of spots that you missed. The rail bridge over the service interchange you put in (by the timed traffic light) didn't get sloped, there's a pretty significant jump in the rail there. I think one side of the bike bridge has a node too close to another too.
Also, the Shorewood side of the DDI, where the highway splits into two separate roads, has some u-turning; it needs some TMPE lane control.
Every time you tell a story that explains why you're adding or changing things in the build, I'm blown away by your intelligence and creativity. You're amazing! Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you!!
Personally I'd love to see you do a from the ground up city build for 2023 with a focus on biking, walkability and essentially going human-centric design vs the normal automobile-centric design that US cities currently use. Bonus points for mixed use zones and parks!
Love how the stories are told, and the amount of theory you give us. Ohhh and 🍿🍿🍿🍿
I struggle to create highway interchanges, so I have a LOT of them downloaded from the workshop. And despite using the multitool, I had never thought of using it in conjunction with those interchanges, instead often resorting to massive highway reconstruction to shoehorn them in. Thanks for lesson using the two together!
Love hearing the story of why the city is getting the upgrade and changes! 🎉
Me to it really adds to the series.
One of my favorite stretches of interstate is i74 between i80 and US-34 in western Illinois. The northbound and southbound lanes diverge several times and are separated by big patches of forest. This probably prevented having to do an insane amount of grading to keep the lanes level with each other.
It's been a while since we dived into Clearwater County to be honest it's my favourite series the most organized and the most realistic
I loved to hear you talk about the oversights we have with guard rails. There's actually a guy here on RUclips that goes and Inspects them because he lost his daughter to a faulty guardrail
I saw one of his shorts !
Crazy how often apparently it's not properly installed, doesn't make much sense, like if you built a traffic light with its pieces in the wrong order...
I really appreciate you going in-depth on Robert Moses (beyond a name-check). I think the defining quote of his was, “If the ends don’t justify the means, then what does?”
For his time, Robert Moses was a pretty good engineer/planner. However, he lacked the knowledge to realize how much the population on Long Island would grow so basically most of his roads are absolute junk now. And we can leave out his PERSONAL thoughts of why he built highways the way he did. Adding an Edit: Find out why he built the bridges over the southern state parkway on long island so low clearance which connected NYC with Jones Beach and beyond.
46:00 why not turn in the keep the diverging diamond and instead eliminate the trumpet interchange? The outbound highway could be turned to utilize the DDI while the local road that previously was using it could just meet the highway at a T intersection earlier. That should provide the best access for Belmont.
🍿 Love that you're showcasing that you can indeed build a highway project with minimal disruption to the existing urban fabric! One comment: I think you forgot to go back and check the slopes on the rail bridge over the interchange by the country club!
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Thank you! Great point - I'll check those in the next one!
That drive into Van Buren where you can see the Capitol dome in the distance is so dope.
I could see the spur being extended on the same plane going up around the West side of Van Buren/the university and meeting up with the Johnson Creek expressway on the other side of the stadium.
Completely agree on both accounts!
Good introduction of the highway there.
I think maybe your bike highway though needs a few more intersections, especially as bridging removed one.
Good point - We'll get some added!
I very much appreciated the Robert Moses bit! I'm a tour guide in NYC and talk about his changes often. He also wanted to blast a highway through SoHo which we're glad he didn't do. And at the time it was definitely a low income neighborhood as well. He also almost tore down Castle Clinton at the southern tip of Manhattan because they wouldn't let him build the bridge you mentioned had it not been for the NPS stepping in and claiming it as a landmark (thank god). He did some truly awful things!
I really enjoy watching your videos! I'm not very good at Cities Skylines but I've learned some from you!
Please build more housing. More service blocks. Anything. There’s a housing crisis , downtown Ashland is dead, and there’s red workers needed popups everywhere. I love this series and I’ve been so invested in it which is why I can’t let it go. Look at that residential demand! It’s been through the roof ever since Van Buren started being built, a while real life year ago.
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@@CityPlannerPlays Maybe ur first real Highrise in Capitol, not a NY style 70 - 100 floors but like Malmö thats like 50-60 and becomes a real Landmark in a smaller city.
And i remembered the Highschoolyou built by the water needs a beachvollyboll club, So the can play on the Teams in collage ^^
@@christoffermontefello-karl2969 malmo is like a million+ people, it's a lot bigger than vab Buren, I think 20 stories is as high as you could really go with out it seeming super out of place
@@oaxtec765lol Malmö is like 350k
Another great build - I do love this series! Can't help but think, instead of that half clover-leaf you could have used a trumpet and not had to impact the rail bridge at all (and the added benefit of no conflict between those joining and exiting the highway).
So happy to finally see another episode of Clearwater County in my feed. Your discussion of Robert Moses was great - I’ve read and loved Robert Caro’s books on LBJ and have been meaning to read the Power Broker as well, so this was encouraging. Also, the highway project reminded me of a real project close to where I’m from in Norway (E134 Drammen-Mjøndalen). Amazing episode.
Phil that ramp at the end of the highway is a crime against arrange at line mode. I'm loving this build. I really enjoy the storytelling and reasoning behind everything.
Nm You Fixed it!
You mentioned that someone said RUclipsrs rely on anarchy too much. I think RUclipsrs pause the game too often. Even when they're not doing something that would cause issues within the city (Like detailing). But I appreciate how you, for the most part, keep the simulation going.
I always love the stories Phil gives as a way to describe what he will build in each episode
In the space of the new parclo nearest to the rail network you can put in a freight depot to relieve some traffic. Also the station by the river needs to have the switches looked at.
Those trees should also have barrier along them.
The cars on Interstate drives something like 80MPH in case of crash people inside the car are 100% dead.
Most of the highways in europe have just a barriers instead.
Also another interesting idea would be making animal passes over highways its becoming more common to see those in europe.
Also you should consider building a truck stop along interstate (maybe instead of that Big Box retail area) i heard that these are really popular in US.
44:12 All of those people coming off the interstate only have one lane for going right, left, or straight. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to add turn lanes to that segment so people have effectively more room to queue so everyone is only waiting behind someone wanting to go their same direction 🚴
Lovely spur, and great story of its creation. Really look forward to the development near the service interchange. I'd expect at least two episodes before any updates on the interstate highway upgrade though. Maybe even three or four to really illustrate the speed at which the federal government moves.
Looks really good :)
Only the one side of the bicycle bridge has a bit of tearing.
I do feel like I remember you elevating that whole bike path (while it is on the ground) intentionally as a way of adding safety rails to the bike path, as it is running along side the rail.
Oh yeah! I'll add some other separation. Good thought, but I think it was poor execution.
I think the new highway is great and provides the ability to expand it and connect to the highway by the industrial complex via a tunnel in the future when it gets controlled access. Although the destruction of the DDI was necessary I feel like it will harm Shorewood since it now only has one lower capacity service interchange to feed all the industry. I think that by adding a new service interchange by the rest stop you can give Belmont access to the highway as well as give the truckers a way to deliver goods to Shorewood with the county highway. All in all another great video! Keep up the good work 👍
This seems like the perfect place to implement a ring road. Would love to see how you would go about adding in ring roads yourself!
the intro for this video is a perfect example of exactly why i subscribe to this channel. that's the stuff i can't get from anybody else on youtube.
I was wondering when I was going to visit Clearwater County again! By far my favorite of your builds!
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Great episode and also I loved that you got into Moses. If we're gonna unpack the last century of urban development in the U.S., we have to heal the scars that are American highways.
At 37:25, cars are stopping because whenever one of them enters the junction, It's considered blocked. simply activate the "enter blocked junction" setting in tmpe and it should fix it
Yes. Houston I feel like has like 10 lanes going in each directions. And with those toll roads. 😮
I think the country Club would demand a soundwall and landscaping on its side of the highway.
Also. I think the raised need to be sloped together with the bike path, at the new interchange. Maybe put it up on a berm? All that material left from cutting into the hill.
I'm relieved you caught the traffic signal setting fix for no waiting vs no driving! I think one of your most recent videos also had the same mix up.
I love both infrastructure focuses. Bike or highway, I like learning what a state and federal mindset when considering what progress looks like. Keep it going!
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I'd love to see him focusing as much on the bike infrastructure as he does on the highways.
Did you notice that the bike highway has FEWER connections than the highway which was freshly build beside it?
I have been watching you for sometime now and I enjoy your builds because you keep it realistic. I have never really felt the need to comment or critique your build until today. First, I work in construction as a carpenter and even once worked for a company that builds bridges and roads. I have never seen a train go over an interchange or junction. Keep in mind, I live in Canada so this might not be true for the US but if the train has to cross the highway(freeway)it is often done across the highway(freeway) not at an interchange where you can get back-ups this seems like a safety hazard. Never mind the noise a train makes, which would distract drivers.
i started watching cpp in the early verde beach days because I was interested in seeing a professionals perspective through cities skylines and this episode all this time later is an awesome reminder of why I watch these videos
I just wanted to say I really appreciate how Phil tells his audience to take the time and research Robert Moses themselves and not take his opinion as gospel. In a world where so many want everyone else to think exactly like them this was a breath of fresh air, I’ve been a fan of yours for a while but this gave me a new level of respect for you Phil.
As far as highways go, I love how you balanced connectivity with invasiveness! For the spur’s terminating interchange, I’m concerned that the two loops will cause weaving. Why not just go with a trumpet? Thanks!
I love episodes like this. Highway planning is always fun to watch. I did notice one thing though. When you removed that DDI, you also removed most of Shorewood's connection to the Interstate. They don't even have access to the new spur that was put in without going most of the way to Van Buren. You could potentially clean up that issue, by adding a connection between the old bridge over the highway where the DDI used to be, and the highway that connects to the nearby interchange that was too close. That should allow highway access similar to what it had before, but cleaner, with less conflict points.
Felt like the music levels were better on this one, I could actually hear it :) So glad to be able to enjoy the master planned music!
Robert Moses was a genius at planning and gathering influence, using both get a lot of planning projects done which drastically changed the NYC metro area, but his projects destroyed the fabric of communities and set a precedence for others across the country to turn many downtowns across America into empty shells of what they once were.
Love it Phil! I’d like to see another episode where you try to make those improvements in real time. That was the first episode I watched of CWC and I enjoyed it!
I’d also like to see the other side turned into interstate but maybe come up the hill and connect with the other side, rather than going through the city? One thing is for sure, you have a very complex task ahead!
the historical context and references to city planning in the real world is always really cool
Wouldn't the bike highway get some on/off ramps to the newly pedestrianized avenue?
For the system interchange around 15:00
Arrange at line and set slope tools will always evenly space out the nodes that are being traced along.
For your anarchy problem try to build a habit of only having it on for the moment you need it and immediately turning it off again.
And your intersection markings are going in all wrong directions. Traffic flows with the grain that is made by the painted lines. Thus for merging lanes, the chevron makes an arrow that points in the opposite direction of traffic flow. (correctly done at 37:10)
It is so crazy how far you've come. I remember when you uploaded your first Verde Beach video, what a difference! Thanks for the fantastic content
yes it was 26 months ago.
Don't forget about Bluffside Crossing, the OG CPP series
@@williamhuang8309 I would never! One of the worst cases of respecting the topography of all time 🤣
Phil, I think you gotta check the rail bridge again. You have just under 2% on one side of your middle, just over 3% on the other, but because they are meeting a middle point (rather than a level middle segment) you have a single point with a 5% grade change. Since that grade change occurs at a single node I think there is serious danger of trains jumping their tracks, especially if they don't know the exact grade change or how their current load weights will impact on it.
Love watching anything you do with these builds. 🍿
As always, great job. The level of detail you put into these builds is wonderful and really works to make your cities come to life. In the future, I would really enjoy seeing some sort of development come from the second connector going onto the mountain. Possibly for some bigger mansion-like homes with some gorgeous mountain views. Keep up the great work Phil!!!
Great idea!
I love making intersection markings for highways, since they do take awhile, why don’t you make some on/off ramp templates? As long as they fit the lane math, it makes the process a little quicker.
Yeah, using saved presets saves a lot of time with intersection markings... keep a library of all the common ones for on/off ramps and you can apply them to all parts of an intersection in seconds...
Hello, I enjoy the interstate build. While I agree they'd just blast thru the mountains you missed a step. That big cliff would be tiered out to prevent rock slides
Shorewood needs some sort of access to the highway. I understand why you removed the one they had but you have to replace it somehow. It could (would) also benefit other places.
That trumpet intersection will definitely have to go!
Love seeing this channel build big infrastructure projects !!
That service interchange to Shorewood should not have been removed. Maybe the OTHER connection could have been moved... but Shorewood *needs* access! They have an entire street off the highway dedicated to servicing travelers. They have hotels, diners, gas stations, everything people on long road trips need! Cutting that service interchange is not only detrimental to Shorewood and could kill the town, but is also detrimental to truckers and vacationers throughout the entire state!
I don't disagree, but I do think it'd happen. I've, unfortunately seen it before with the consequences that you're describing.
@@CityPlannerPlays We need a mass protest and organized political action in Shorewood then! Appreciate your attention to realism, it's why I watch. :)
One thing I noticed while watching is that the bikepath near the railway and new freeway has very few intersections. Less than the nearby arterial had, even though cycling is considerably slower. I think at the moment the bikeway as it is would mainly attract daytrippers and people looking for an exercise with a good view. With more intersections/off-ramps to the suburban residential areas and the commercial developments at the edge of town it could possibly become useful for more kinds of trips, like commuting to other parts of CC, or grocery shopping.
Yes, i agree, there is a lack of connectivity to the bike highway, especially now that Mulligan Drive has sidewalks. I was not expecting for the bike highway to actually be this used though !
Bikes are awesome 😎🚴♂️🚴♀️
Check your chevrons.
16:20 you used a merge instead of a median.
16:27 you used a diverge instead of a merge
🍿 I'm just here watching :) Although I do have one concern about the project. I feel the line of larger trees in the center divider would be most likely either brush filled grass or would have concrete barricade walls to prevent a dead stop if a vehicle were to go off for any reason. I have a class A CDL and when I did my training and testing they explained why it's better to hit a barricade along the side that allows a vehicle to decelerate instead of a dead stop into a hard unforgiving surface such as a tree. It's a way to decrease fatalities. Other than that, it was another great episode, Phil. Looking forward to more :)
I like infrastructure because it’s fun to plan them! 🍿 I think the area near the service interchange would be perfect for a mall. I think the skyline mall pack would fit here.
I’m recently getting back into Skylines with your tutorial cities and one of my favorite things is the story telling that accompanies every episode. It’s so rich and complex.
I think you should bring the hwy closer and tunnel under the University and wrap all the way around. Really enjoying this build. Can't wait to see VB development in the future. Get a destination concert venue too! Quasi Alpine valley
Yes I agree, especially continuing to the Van Buren Highway.
Great work Phil. 🎉 Amazed by how you demonstrate the tools in a simple manner
Love when Phil edits things... no need for another editor...unless Phil wants family time or free time.. :D
I'm honestly really settling into editing. I think I'll always have some role in the editing, even if I have an editor at some point. Editing helps me tell a story, so I need to be at least somewhat involved.
Big road builds aren't always my favourite to watch, but when they're spread out few and far between I don't mind. I understand they're incredibly important for a healthy build!
Interstates are important to how people move, but I feel your city could use more public transit or longer public transit routes. I can only remember one or two episodes about trains in this series, most of this series has focused on roads for private vehicles. Bike emoji because I couldn't find it lol.
I love all the extra nuggets of city planning knowledge youre dropping in you video, like about the new york guy, this is not something i would find out otherwise and now i literally want to go and read that whole book. THANK YOU! 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
My family lives in Kansas City Missouri, I'm in Madison, always take 151 out through Iowa when we drive to visit. The blasted through areas are always my favorite part of the drive. 🚗
We in my hometown have a highway that has a traffic light intersection with another road.
Now it has such severe congestion during peak times, and it would be good if it was grade separated, most of the rest of the highway has been grade separated already.
Now the Governments response is that this does not need to be done because the amount of serious or fatal accidents is too low.
The cities response is that the serious accidents are so low because the road is so congested that traffic is moving too slow for serious accidents.
As a NYC resident thanks for the background history on Robert Moses. I was only familiar with the causeway named after him. Never knew what he did to to be recognized. Thanks for the history lesson!
CPP, you are one of the few content creators that I click the like button before I watch the full upload because, after almost 7 years watching you, I already know that I am in for some interesting and enjoyable content. My only confusion is why you only have 462k subs when all your content is top quality and always interesting to watch.
It is great to come back to this save file and implement what you have learned since and it is fascinating to see how you aim to improve it. I am already invested in this series as we learn together who to correct the mistakes that we made when we were niaive and overly confident. AWESOME series so far bud, I look forward to every new video in this series. Many thanks
Love seeing my country's capitol building used on your build. Great stuff and what a beauty of a city.
The way the highway hangs along the edge of the mountain reminds me of the Columbia rover gorge and a couple freeways going through Colorado. Those had to be cut for miles with very little fill done.
🍿 another great video! Would love to see you fix some of the lumpies and bumpies around the new interchanges. It looks like you might need to remove some nodes
Phil, the interstate highway system will not allow those trees in the median from the highway to VanBuren unless the median was much, much wider.
nothing more satisfying imo than watching you build a ton of interconnected roadways with so much attention to detail, that city tour drive down the highway felt so real!
I'm glad you didn't go through shorewood!
A similar issue is happening in an area where my partner grew up, but to a much smaller extent of making a roundabout bigger and the surrounding roads wider. The plans were approved in the 70s and they have been attempting to compulsory purchase (eminent domain) the 10 or so houses that are in the way since the early 90s. As we drove through last month at about 5mph because of the severely over-congested roundabout, around 75% of the houses have finally been boarded up ready for demolition. The remainers all have banners and placards protesting the work. I'd say it'll be another decade before they will be commencing work, if they're lucky.
I can only imagine how much worse it would be for putting a highway through a busy and thriving neighbourhood.
Instead of merging the Interstate with Mulligan Ave, I would turn Mulligan Ave into the interstate where the bike bridge is, and just remove Mulligan Ave from where the interstate crosses the rail until the 3 story apartmens. It seems superflouus to have both the interstate and Mulligan Ave from van Buren to the service interchange. It would make accessability to the big box store worse - ideally, the service interchange would be placed a bit closer to that one, but I don't think that's a huge issue. I'd also extend the residential area in that place, and if there's commuter rail service, I'd add a station (otherwise, I'd leave space for a future station in case commuter rail is ever added).
A tunnel under the university would make sense if you picked alternatives 3 and 4 and connected the two, to provide better access to downtown. However, one of the things that must be considered with tunnels is that in the real world, there would need to be an alternate direct route for trucks carrying hazardous materials, as if one of those trucks has a catastrophic failure, it could take down an entire tunnel. In downtown Phoenix, I-10 has a half-mile tunnel from 3rd Avenue to 3rd Street, and I-17 is the designated truck route for I-10 traffic near downtown, even though the tunnel meets other interstate standards, such as 16 foot clearances. Some bridges near system interchanges also have those requirements (e.g. State Route 202 at the interchange with State Route 101 in Tempe, as the 202 has a long bridge over the Salt River, which forces all eastbound trucks with hazardous materials to exit at McClintock Drive, a mile west of the 101).
I think you want both the pink and green routes, maybe modified slightly. But build one, like the pink, but reserve land for the green for future expansion.
Also reserve the ability to connect the pink to the green. Maybe through a tunnel.
Can't say how happy I am being able to watch CWC again. Thank you Phil!
Nothing butters my muffin like some good old infrastructure builds. keep up the great work phil :)
I've been watching you since you started creating content with Cities Skylines.I truly applaud you for touching on history that wasn't so great for minority communities that suffered due highway construction in NYC. Thank you!
Love it! Maybe adding an extra lane in that connection to the collector from the service interchange would help the traffic. Also the space between the highway and the rail could be a strip mall with a panda express out in the middle of the parking lot
🍿i don't know much about city planning and it's always so interesting seeing people weighing in on Clearwater county-related discussions & bringing up points i never would've thought about!
🍿 I love the ethical nature to which you approach all your builds! Even though it's imaginary and there are mulligans, I really appreciate the time you take to highlight how important it is for civic governments to balance initiatives with community equality, health and well-being.
I do love infrastructure projects, they're fascinating.
I'm likin the new highway you have goin. I do wonder, as a truck driver, if you would have rest stops along that new stretch of road, especially as its to connect to the interstate.
Watching this series makes me feel like I'm taking a class in urban planning. Thank you!
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really a great and interesting build.
43:08 Seeing this intersection, the issue of dedicated lanes pops up. The first thing I see: there are three four-lane roads and the road backing up is the only asymmetric three-lane with just one lane going into the four-way intersection that came with the service interchange from the workshop. Upgrading to a four-lane, maybe even a 3+2 asymmetric could help. The other thing is a TMPE-issue ... the algorithm to setup timed traffic lights has been a little bit off for some TMPE-versions: none of your left-turns are dedicated, you even have a dedicated right-turn which might be a nice feature if you choose to have 3+2 asymmetry, but with regular four-lane roads and only two lanes going into the junction it is usually the wrong option. The rare exception are cases in which the right turn is extremely busy and tends to back up because you are approaching a cargo terminal or a similarly busy building.
The DDI removal has some serious consequences and I really had to skip back through the video to get more impressions of the area and the neighbouring highway trumpet ... 6:44 if the highway trumpet was not a three-way interchange it could provide some of the connections you lost through the DDI removal. And the blue Robert-Moses-scenario would have seen the system interchange as a four-way ... what if that scenario was an early favorite with a four-way interchange already built or prepared. With the blue plan later being dropped the existing infrastructure could have been repurposed as a service interchange on the fourth side of the system interchange. It would violate the principle of separating service and system interchanges ... however my region (Ruhr district in Germany) is full of pre-built infrastructure for follow-up projects that never came or were realized with significant changes.
9:50 The choice of this workshop asset is a little bit odd but could be explained as a preparation for a future four-way cloverleaf interchange in a similar way as this design is coming with all the weaving issues of a cloverleaf interchange and forcing you to 10:01 adjust the height of the train line. As you are bending the interstate and highway with Network Multitool's arrange-at-line mode anyway a trumpet would have definetly been an option.
🍿My absolute favorite series. Always look forward to a new Clearwater County episode!!