6 years ago when Home builders started building these 4500sq or 5500sqft homes in Charles county for the same or less price of a older 2000sqft home many of my colleagues started selling in PG and moved quickly to Charles county
Would really like to see data on owner occupied homes without a mortgage per county. I would bet anything, PG county black American families are wealthier still per household when measuring net worth.
Right but poorly insulated and cheaply built homes will not replace more robust and well-built properties. Never, ever, never! My only complaint in PG as a resident is watching the Council approve these stackable homes when we all know that these homes are not for people of color long term.
Just a suggestion. Instead of continuing to use the word black we have to use a concept that has more specificity. Terms like "people of color," minority, socially disadvantaged and even black do not capture and highlight the aggrieved group that people are often times speaking about when they use this terminology. The better term is ADOS or American Descendants of Slavery. In conversations like this you may hear slavery mentioned but it is not centered in terms of our identity and all of our experiences that followed slavery as a group of people in America.
I have now resided in Charles County for 7 years. We originally moved here for the Charles County school system. Northpoint High School was our first choice that desire was erased due to redistricting. The same politics in Prince George’s County now exists in Charles County as the demographics have changed. I pay more taxes in the midst of constant construction without the implementation of proper infrastructure. I thank you all for opening the dialogue. I appreciate the historical overview of the Fair Housing Act to rectify red lining. Restrictive covenants may no longer be written in Montgomery or Fairfax Counties but they are understood.
Great in depth conversation. I agree on many of your points. Favor, plesse. Can you find out if the statistics relating to school fights differs much from PG, Charles and Montgomery county schools? My perception having had my kids in all of those schools is that PG county schools have children who can't handle conflict any other way but at least a fight a day. Wondering if that has an impact on the migration to Charles County. Specifically wondering if the stats are the same but if those rates of violence have an impact on the number of home-schooled kids in my county? I grew up in PG county, moved to Arlington County as an adult. Then to Montgomery then bought in PG then moved to Montgomery then back to PG again then to Anne Arundel and finally to Charles. I love it in Charles! But when I got here, the school system was racist against black boys just like when I 1st got to Montgomery as well as in my second experience with PG county (Largo). All of my boys survived school versus having the ooportunity to thrive in school that I did as a female in a different era in PG. Before I end this long post, just a quick should out to my neighbor Reuben Collins. You should tag him as I'm sure he doesn't know he's been featured. LOL. Good to see him in your vid in his earlier days as our County Commissioner speaking proudly of us being here in Charles County.
Tell kids from our families to double up on jobs and learn technology and science to double their income ASAP, starting at 16. Marriage to someone similar, first baby, and buy a house in cash by 22. Teaching kids and grandkids how to replicate this model through life.
It's a Black culture problem. Most of these Black kids are not raised right. It's very rare to find a K-12 school with predominately Black students were fights are not common. I guarantee you it'll take 5 years or more of fights in Montgomery County to equal one year of what happens at PG and Charles County. And Black boys are usually not shown enough proper love and discipline in the homes they grow up in which is why they are the most likely to have behavioral problems which is often wrongly blamed on racism. I used to volunteer at a very Black public school where pretty much all the teachers and staff were Black so can't claim racism and the Black boys were a SERIOUS SEREIOUS problem academically and socially .... and much worse than their non-Black male counterparts in other parts of the city. And don't forget over 50% of the nation's murders are done by Black men even though they make up only like 7-8% of the population ... there's definitely a problem with how most Black boys are raised but of course most people are afraid to state the obvious..
What communities are we building? Or are we just shuffling the chairs and spinning the wheel like hamsters with constant migration? Thats the real issue here. The indicators would be level of owner occupied rates, business ownership rates, institutions with education programs that supply the needs of the todays technology demands. Until we have control of the hospitals, banks, schools and government there is no community. We do not have autonomy in these regards. Property values will remain depressed until such occurs so it doesnt matter where you move if your behavior doesnt change.
I don't think this is a fully honest conversation with what's going on in the DMV area. Also Charles County is just PG County 2.0 ... it's a lateral move. In Charles County, the schools are increasingly subpar, economic development is increasingly subpar, property value growth is subpar, questionable Black leadership is already present, whites are leaving at a high rate, and I'm almost sure crime is rising. Anytime there's a large influx of Black folks regardless of social class the area will eventually decline in almost every possible way. We don't work well enough together to build better and stronger communities. We just keep running behind white folks who mostly don't want us there in the first place and once we get too big they start leaving again ... it's a cycle that never ends
Agreed, also black men are missing from this conversation, why? Because we will tell the truth. All I hear is My My My I'm I'm a professor white collar My son but never heard the word Husband.
Truth....The " White Flight " narrative is often told from one perspective....Black. While "racism" alone is definitely one of the reasons for mass White exodus, the reasons you stated ring louder. The schools that we in the Black " community " covet in other cities, counties, zones what have you ultimately become " poor performing" schools not long after Black students dominate in demographics. How is it that we don't see the insanity in this trend? Truth is.... the elephant in the room is " Black flight". Many of us are at a crossroads in terms of the culture that we want to be associated with,& which Blacks (if any) we want to dwell amongst.
I lived in Prince George's County for 26 years. It has remain all these decades a place with a prideful emphasis on lawless attitudes. Dangerous roads, constant harassment and bullying, derelict buildings, unsafe roads, litter everywhere, That's an incomplete list. It makes no sense and is inherently wrong. The County is part of the DMV, physically adjacent to the most influential, sophisticated, international, well educated city in the United States. Please, please, if you think suburbia is inherently wrong, if you are in a life of crime, please, please leave! Hundreds of people who want to fully enjoin in the DMV need places to live! If you think the overwhelming number in fthis great city are disgusting and self centered, then please, please leave!
6 years ago when Home builders started building these 4500sq or 5500sqft homes in Charles county for the same or less price of a older 2000sqft home many of my colleagues started selling in PG and moved quickly to Charles county
Would really like to see data on owner occupied homes without a mortgage per county. I would bet anything, PG county black American families are wealthier still per household when measuring net worth.
Right but poorly insulated and cheaply built homes will not replace more robust and well-built properties. Never, ever, never! My only complaint in PG as a resident is watching the Council approve these stackable homes when we all know that these homes are not for people of color long term.
❤ I'm ready for part 2. This was good 👍.
Just a suggestion. Instead of continuing to use the word black we have to use a concept that has more specificity. Terms like "people of color," minority, socially disadvantaged and even black do not capture and highlight the aggrieved group that people are often times speaking about when they use this terminology. The better term is ADOS or American Descendants of Slavery. In conversations like this you may hear slavery mentioned but it is not centered in terms of our identity and all of our experiences that followed slavery as a group of people in America.
I have now resided in Charles County for 7 years. We originally moved here for the Charles County school system. Northpoint High School was our first choice that desire was erased due to redistricting. The same politics in Prince George’s County now exists in Charles County as the demographics have changed. I pay more taxes in the midst of constant construction without the implementation of proper infrastructure. I thank you all for opening the dialogue. I appreciate the historical overview of the Fair Housing Act to rectify red lining. Restrictive covenants may no longer be written in Montgomery or Fairfax Counties but they are understood.
Great in depth conversation. I agree on many of your points.
Favor, plesse. Can you find out if the statistics relating to school fights differs much from PG, Charles and Montgomery county schools? My perception having had my kids in all of those schools is that PG county schools have children who can't handle conflict any other way but at least a fight a day. Wondering if that has an impact on the migration to Charles County. Specifically wondering if the stats are the same but if those rates of violence have an impact on the number of home-schooled kids in my county?
I grew up in PG county, moved to Arlington County as an adult. Then to Montgomery then bought in PG then moved to Montgomery then back to PG again then to Anne Arundel and finally to Charles. I love it in Charles!
But when I got here, the school system was racist against black boys just like when I 1st got to Montgomery as well as in my second experience with PG county (Largo). All of my boys survived school versus having the ooportunity to thrive in school that I did as a female in a different era in PG.
Before I end this long post, just a quick should out to my neighbor Reuben Collins. You should tag him as I'm sure he doesn't know he's been featured. LOL. Good to see him in your vid in his earlier days as our County Commissioner speaking proudly of us being here in Charles County.
Tell kids from our families to double up on jobs and learn technology and science to double their income ASAP, starting at 16. Marriage to someone similar, first baby, and buy a house in cash by 22. Teaching kids and grandkids how to replicate this model through life.
It's a Black culture problem. Most of these Black kids are not raised right. It's very rare to find a K-12 school with predominately Black students were fights are not common. I guarantee you it'll take 5 years or more of fights in Montgomery County to equal one year of what happens at PG and Charles County. And Black boys are usually not shown enough proper love and discipline in the homes they grow up in which is why they are the most likely to have behavioral problems which is often wrongly blamed on racism. I used to volunteer at a very Black public school where pretty much all the teachers and staff were Black so can't claim racism and the Black boys were a SERIOUS SEREIOUS problem academically and socially .... and much worse than their non-Black male counterparts in other parts of the city. And don't forget over 50% of the nation's murders are done by Black men even though they make up only like 7-8% of the population ... there's definitely a problem with how most Black boys are raised but of course most people are afraid to state the obvious..
What communities are we building? Or are we just shuffling the chairs and spinning the wheel like hamsters with constant migration? Thats the real issue here. The indicators would be level of owner occupied rates, business ownership rates, institutions with education programs that supply the needs of the todays technology demands. Until we have control of the hospitals, banks, schools and government there is no community. We do not have autonomy in these regards. Property values will remain depressed until such occurs so it doesnt matter where you move if your behavior doesnt change.
I don't think this is a fully honest conversation with what's going on in the DMV area. Also Charles County is just PG County 2.0 ... it's a lateral move. In Charles County, the schools are increasingly subpar, economic development is increasingly subpar, property value growth is subpar, questionable Black leadership is already present, whites are leaving at a high rate, and I'm almost sure crime is rising. Anytime there's a large influx of Black folks regardless of social class the area will eventually decline in almost every possible way. We don't work well enough together to build better and stronger communities. We just keep running behind white folks who mostly don't want us there in the first place and once we get too big they start leaving again ... it's a cycle that never ends
Agreed, also black men are missing from this conversation, why? Because we will tell the truth. All I hear is My My My I'm I'm a professor white collar My son but never heard the word Husband.
Agreed. No community. Just shuffling musical chairs. We need to build our own institutions: hospitals, banks, schools etc.
Truth....The " White Flight " narrative is often told from one perspective....Black. While "racism" alone is definitely one of the reasons for mass White exodus, the reasons you stated ring louder. The schools that we in the Black " community " covet in other cities, counties, zones what have you ultimately become " poor performing" schools not long after Black students dominate in demographics. How is it that we don't see the insanity in this trend? Truth is.... the elephant in the room is " Black flight". Many of us are at a crossroads in terms of the culture that we want to be associated with,& which Blacks (if any) we want to dwell amongst.
I lived in Prince George's County for 26 years. It has remain all these decades a place with a prideful emphasis on lawless attitudes. Dangerous roads, constant harassment and bullying, derelict buildings, unsafe roads, litter everywhere, That's an incomplete list. It makes no sense and is inherently wrong. The County is part of the DMV, physically adjacent to the most influential, sophisticated, international, well educated city in the United States. Please, please, if you think suburbia is inherently wrong, if you are in a life of crime, please, please leave! Hundreds of people who want to fully enjoin in the DMV need places to live! If you think the overwhelming number in fthis great city are disgusting and self centered, then please, please leave!
Indeed a migration