The deeper NATO engages in the conflict with Russia, the more Ukraine Suffers | Geoffrey Roberts
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Geoffrey Roberts is a historian, biographer, and political commentator. A renowned specialist in Russian and Soviet foreign and military policy and an expert on Stalin and the Second World War, his books have been translated into Arabic, Chinese, Czech, Estonian, Greek, Finnish, French, German, Japanese, Korean, Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Spanish, Swedish and Turkish.
His latest book is Stalin’s Library: A Dictator and His Books (Yale University Press 2022) - selected as a Book of the Year by The Australian, History Today, and India’s Open magazine.
He is Emeritus Professor of History at University College Cork and a Member of the Royal Irish Academy.
geoffreyrobert...
The only people who have the bravery to tell the truth are the retired or older people. Anyone who isn't financially secure is vulnerable to the backlash of going against the official narrative.
Freedom, you know.
How much freedom have we really got left?
@@vaska1999 The freedom to work 12 hours a day to not make enough money to have a place to live, food, a car, insurance, utilities, etc..
Your bank account can be frozen if you do not 'toe the line' among other things.
@@christinepeach8213 Hopefully that is just confined to Canada at present.
Nima its amazing how you find these guests. You put so much into your work ..thank you ..much appriciated. I really liked this man.
Morning Nima things are getting scarier everyday
Greetings from Ireland..!
Foreigners out!
Ireland is the home of my ancestors
Lindsau graham represents insanity
Lindsey Graham is not insane he is evil.
It just bad for the people who couldn't escape the country. Ukraine is now a battle field, not a country
It's a Battlefield acting as a Country... 😊
Graveyard n no brit or yank cares
Exactly ...its becoming a graveyard...
True
ruSSia used to be a third world gas ⛽ station
Now it's just 3rd world 😅@@daveh5947
I reformulated my question: The US is badly bleeding, being forced to borrow 2 trillion a year, isn't that what strategic defeat looks like? Borrowing that money is the cost for empire, and it can't continue much longer.
Well, borrowing is only bad if you have to pay back, US doesn't think it needs to pay back at all, being all powerful etc, so they see no problems.
Not sure if Europe has anything to offer the Russians. As with the U.S, Europe is de-industrializing, especially now that their energy is much more costly since they cut off Russian energy. The west is finally losing its financial grip over their past colonies. France being kicked out of the Sahell is one example.
Ukraine should be talking about getting Wesr guarantees for rebuilding Ukraine after the war. They should do it now because after the war the Wesf will abandon them to loom after their more pressing national interests.
Russia does not need military assistance from others to fight a widened war against NATO, bolstered even by Americans directly. They have already prepared for the eventuality. While their attitude is not one of "bring it on," they do understand that the Western view is that Russia is incapable of winning against them. An attitude similar to that of the Germans in June 1941. The difference is that today, Russia is much better prepared.
Exactly.
Russia saw this disaster coming years ago. So it prepared itself by improving the Russian army!
They have a strategic partnership with China , who will not sit idily by. The Chinese will support and ensure the Russians will survive the fight with NATO both economically and if required , militarily
And China is on SIDE of Russia.
It's always good to have some help
i would not be hearing these very forthright and candid speaking truth tellers if it were not for #dialogue works.. t.y. @nima, and all your guests brave enough to come on your show
Good conversation & dynamic perspectives.
Great guest. Thanks.
Good work
An interesting conversation! Thanks
NO, THE US MONEY SHOULD GO TO US CITIZENS. Zelenskyyyy could have signed the peace treaty, he was weak and didnt. Let EUROPE REBUILD UKRAINE, PERIOD.
Zelensky is willing to sign the peace treaty for the last 2 years. But on a simple condition . Putin MUST return all the Ukrainian territory that Putin has occupied . Especially Crimea . Its the only access that Ukraime has to its Black sea ports and its window on the world. Ukraine is the biggest grain exporter in the world! They need the Black sea ports RETURNED to them.
Are you referring to the $300,000 frozen Russian assets as the US money that should go to US citizens instead of being used to rebuild Ukraine as desired by Biden et al? What is the source of the US MONEY to which you refer? @sandybartkus6225
Keep dreaming
how dumb should one be to think war with Russia is a war for democracy.
It makes perfect sense if you look form the other side of...
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Then why didn't Ukraine have elections this year? 🤔 Many countries have held elections during a war.
@@johnjames6191 Hahaha Mislis sa strane glupih ljudi koji gledaju CNN itd.
Thats western demented thinking. Canadas not know democracy for years, censored speech, CSIS spying on everyone, lockdowns, forced vaccines, rigged elections, corrupt judges and on and on
@@PauloAdriano-zo2ng Britain went 10 years without an election during the period around WW2. Did that mean Churchill was never Prime Minister? Normal rules often get suspended during wartime.
NATO uses Ukraine as the conflict theater to weaken Russia yet the opposite effect is resulted and Russian forces are strengthened the more as it progresses and gained more territories 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺‼️
correct.. the na-zo west have themselves exposed their own paper maché outer shell.. *the r.f. [vlad p.] tried to negotiate, but the Minsk accords were proven to be a total "stalling" na-zo sham, *along with the destroying of the n.s. [nat.gas] pipeline..
*the clearest minds see what the old hegemonic west is trying to do
Adjust tinfoil hat 😂
Looks like you are hard on thinking pal.
Russia got stronger ??
Ha,ha,ha. Putin is BROKE !! . Russia IS BROKE !! Russia has lost its main source of income which is the sales of has and oil. Western Europe that was Russias main customer are buying oil from Norway . The 2nd main income for Russia which is its international arms sales are GONE for good after seeing how poor Russian tanks performed in Ukraine. And that is BILLIONS of dollars worth of sales every year are GONE . Now everyone is buying arms from France . And the 3rd source of income is the Aeroflot commercial airlines has lost 80% of its income as most of its planes are grounded due to lack of spare parts because of embargo . Import/ export of Russian goods are down 80% because of embargo . And the war in Ukraine is costing Putin hundreds of millions OF DOLLARS PER DAY ! And that is the cost of food and ammunition for Russian soldiers . Plus they get paid salary and that is another huge expense for Putin .
All of the above DONE by Ukraine pal. Ukraine has already won !! All that damage done to Russia!! And Russian rubel is WORTHLESS now. It went down to almost 100 rubles to one dollar . Before the war it was 1 to 3 ratio. War is not only about territory eon but it is about all of the above that I have mentioned. You need to expand your horizons pal !!!
Putin must be very sorry that he has invaded Ukraine . Before the conflict Russia was somebody . Now Russia is nobody . Small country like Ukraine is kicking Russian butt for almost 3 years. Putin has lost his face and respect. It will take DECADES to RECOVER for Russia from this conflict. Putin has destroyed Russia .
I don't think you realize the fallacy in your logic. Nobody gets stronger in war, you will always lose people, money and armament.
I think baldbassboy60 is 100% correct, as all the people who hit the “like” to his comment do.
Seems your comment of the “tin foil hat” shows your ignorance of the actual situation.
Thanks Nima! 🇧🇷🇦🇺🇷🇺🇵🇸
Greetings from Australia
Greetings from the planet Klingon
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A......hole......
From A.....hole ....land
Superb
Great commentary
Thank you, gentlemen! 🙏🏻💪🙏🏻
They enemy has always been from within 💰🤡
Not always, but it definitely is now.
Awesome
Great show!!
@nima ~ your thumbnail description is straight to the point and accurate.. t.y. for not being vague, or vapidly politically correct.
Ukraine and israel are joined together on this war. Bibi has talked about the "New Jerusalem" in ukraine.
Thank you excellent as always.
Good Day.
Ours is not to question why, but to work for a think tank and advocate for others to die
Russia did not invade Ukraine. They were condemned for the SMO by a majority of UN nations, but even the basis for that resolution is dubious.
Afraid it did. They did attack Maripoul, yes or no? That's an invasion.
@DiogoJ1 Mariopol in in the Donbass. It was being viciously attacked by their own government on the basis that Russian Ukrainians in the East were terrorists. After Russians did everything they could to get Zelensky and NATO to cease and desist, they initiated the SMO by the book. In accordance with UN regulations. Learn your history. Or are you one of the Nazi loving beings in Ukraine?
The russians have almost completely reconstructed Mariupol. Remember, its on the russian side of Ukraine.
@@DiogoJ1Yeah the rule of the game was invade or be destroyed... Choose your pick
@@alanvarghesethomas5486 Russia was never at risk of being destroyed.
Not only that, but if somehow Ukraine did attack Russia, Russia would at least have proper justification to invade Ukraine in retaliation.
The deeper NATO engages, the deeper Europe engages. It will be difficult to disengage later.
Yes we should just throwb up our hands in apathy and fear and invite russia in. after all its natos fault that he invaded ukraine and took their property
Yesterday's interview with Col Baud was brilliant and how Zelensky is a Dead Man Walking....the desperation is really beginning to show, especially in Singapore now in Manila.
Will he return to Ukraine?
The Philippines is a proxy of the US so obviously Macros Jr would go. Not sure about Singapore
He’s still not happy with the money he got from the west that he’s now going around Asia?!
Something strangely ambivalent about Londoner Roberts’ position on Russia throughout the U.S. neocon proxy war orchestrated since 1995 (Brezhensky strategy), 2004, 2014, 22.2.22 …
He fails to acknowledge the real causes and effects of the conflict: the US neocon Empire of Lies is at war with its so-called « friends and allies » Germany (destruction of Nordstream and EU’s key leading economy).
This man uses the terms « we » and « Russia ».
Biased, generalized, vague, superficial, this is far from serious academic history or useful geopolitical analysis.
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*i will have to listen closer.. *maybe [?] Geoffrey will, as well.. *sometimes, we do not pick up on our own foibles until someone else points this out, in a non-hysterical manner.
Agreed. This story goes way back. In short it is the " Big Israel project ; or New Jerusalem . On 11/11.1918 at 11;00 there were 21 of these people in the dinning car . The Brit that sighned was asked as he stepped from the car. How did it go ? His reply ; we just garranteed the next war . Nothing has changed , they will have their 3rd war . We will all be Palistinians soon.
@@garycates9911thanks for the reply! The end of this experiment
@@kevindrechsel Your welcome . I listened to this for about 13 min. then went to the comments ; found yours and wanted to reply. This fellow is either grossly ignorant or self sensoring to the extream. Either way he had nothing to say that I wanted to hear . Experiment ? ? ? Glad to have been a part , I think .
Economists explained Belousov's appointment to the post of Minister of Defense as follows: in the Russian Federation, civilian industry and military industry have no connection with each other. Belousov's task is to create this connection so that there is an exchange of technologies between these markets.
Thanks very much for your brilliant analysis Geoffrey Roberts I always learn so much from your great understanding and Nima the United States and Europe and Nato have poured tens of thousands of sanctions on Russia at the same time giving thousands of bombs and weapons to Ukraine at the moment the United States have never wanted peace or diplomacy
Thankyou DW for this excellent guest and conversation, helping us as you do to understand the present dynamic geopolitical circumstances.
The U.S. administration must know at some level that it's struggle to remain being the global economic and military hegemon, has failed; consequently it is now doing it's best to spoil the inevitable alternative, an emerging Eurasian centric multipolar world order. World orders exist primarily to maintain stability and avoid chaos within and between nation states. However, as we saw during the Jan 6th 2021 attack on it's Capitol Hill, U.S. governance has become demonstrably unstable and chaotic. Moreover, this riot took place within the world's wealthiest and most influential nation state, demonstrating that it was thereby symptomatic of a failing U.S. led Western centric unipolar world order; a world order that is now coming to an end after many centuries of being the dominant world order. The Liberal values upon which such a world order was built, stabilised and legitimised, are becoming less relevant during a rapidly advancing 21st Century because the more advanced Liberal democratic forms of governance such as the U.S. and many of it's Western allies are failing to adapt such values to our rapidly changing geopolitical circumstances.
Thanks this interview. Someone that must be interviewed is Volodymyr Ischenko who wrote the article "Into the Abyss" in the NLR. This article explains where in Ukraine the support for the Nationalists does and does not come from. Pro-Russian support comes from poorer and older Ukrainians. The bourgoisie is behind Zalensky. Zalensky is unpopular with many Ukrainians because he eliminated fuel subsidies that were possible with the import of cheap Russian energy - important for older people in a cold country.
Should have guessed that only old people like Russia.
The war won't be allowed to end by US. The calculation in US, is determined by the Chinese dependence on western trade, Russians bleeding in Ukraine, never able to prevent Nato US missiles and bases in Ukraine and the ability of US to use one proxy after another, with no regard for their proxies destruction for the ever expansion of Nato world-wide.
You think the US is in a position to pull that off? I mean, it achieved nothing in Afghanistan, from which it had to pull out.
Nima why is no one talking about the UNITED STATES AIR FORCE JETS, that are located in Taiwan. Lockheed Martin has their electronic warfare technicians taking care of the planes in TAIWAN. My nephew is there in TAIWAN. Why isn’t the media talking about this. 😂😂😂😂
Funny feeling that any moment he was going to say “ here guv guess who I had in the back of my cab the other day”😂
Advice for Zelensky : Stop dressing like a janitor or add a mop and bucket to complete the look. Think of the mop and bucket as a fashion accessory.
Advice for you John Adler is to stick your nose in your business . You have no idea what is going on in Ukraine .
Hi Nima, great channel great interviews and perspectives. Would you be willing to ask someone the question how the support of Ukrainian population is in term of support for the war, and in terms of support of the current government, and in support of the west?
WHEN WOULD WESTERN NATIONS REBUILD THEIR MILITARY ARSENALS SEEING THAT THEY ARE SENDING MOST, IF NOT ALL,, THEIR ,CURRENT WEAPONS PRODUCTION TO UKRAINE ALMOST EVERY TWO WEEKS?
Hallo Russia, fight for democracy and freedom of all peoples. Stop foolish killing. Best regards for all people of free will from Bosnia.
7:56 all you got to ask yourself is one question do you actually think the Russians are going to surrender for Christ's sakes
It's time to get this to stop sooner rather than later ,save lives, negotiate
How?
Always Anglo "experts" on Rus. Not just here Nima, I mean for decades that's all onw even sees. Why not get some Russians who are experts on Rus? Great shows btw
Of course you do always have Dmitri on and that is what makes you stand out, the fact you so have Russians on to be experts on Rus.
Russia and China have 180 degree different views fromthe America dominated West of what relations with other nations should be. They are now in a position to demonstrate their approach to working with others. WWII and the manner in which the Soviet Union allowed itself to dissolve permitted Americans to believe that as a nation they were all powerful and that other nations should recognize this illusion as fact. The past 35 years have taught other countries to deal differently with Western nations.
I see this is a Kool Aid drinking platform. Pardon my interruption and drink on. ✌🏼
Dialogue works. Not with trolls.
Nima, Geoff, during a State Visit to Russia around 1993, Jelzin gave Pres Jiang Zemin a Russian bear hug.
I wish Nima would focus more on asking questions concerning the threats posed to Russia as a result of the West and the US allowing Ukraine to use the West's arms to strike deep inside Russia, instead of asking the same questions he poses to all of his guests. We've already covered this territory.
It amazes me that we have lots of smart educated people like guests on this program and then we have idiots in our western governments. Z.
In this conflict Ukraine is actually not interesting 🤔
Why don't others see that. I mean the "neo kons".
Because they cant believe that the US would lose
Long live Russians!
8-10 hours at the front line. Many insects are now jealous.
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What is Russia waiting for ????
Mr. Robert's, think you that conventional is all that Russia is superior in? Robotics, AI, and advanced cybernetics is a Russian concept
What if "if Ukraine looses, we will all loose" is true? The West might be next after Uktaine, but not because of the russian army but because if civil unrests? Just a thiught...
West: Wtf bro!? Why did you hit your fist with my face?!!
Great program!
Of course the average Ukrainian wants an end to the war as soon as possible. By that I mean the average Ukrainian in western Ukraine. What do they care about the Donbass anyway? I think the only reason that Kyiv was willing to fight the Donbass Militias and then the Russian Army is the resources available in that part of the country. Losing that would have a profound negative effect on whatever is left of Ukraine.
The only Ukrainians actually fighting for their homeland are the ones in the Donbass Militias, now a part of the Russian Army.
The jokers on social media are fond of repeating the old motto - better to fight Russia in Ukraine than in Berlin or Paris. The real lunatics include Washington in that deal. Totally deluded, near medical intervention level.
I simply can't fathom why the US wants a war with China. How can a country go to war with another country that essentially supplies everything from plastic KFS to medical PPE? Walmarts would be empty of stuff. Amazon likely won't be able to get anything made in China, etc. And Taiwan? Why the heck would the US care about Taiwan? Computer chips? Well wouldn't it be a lot better to build computer chip factories in the US than going to war with a country like China? It must have something to do with economic reasons. The trend towards not using the US dollar in every transaction for stuff like oil must be a huge hit to the US economy. Which is mostly just printing more money to meet needs now. The US debt and/or deficit must be a massive problem right now.
I think the west still thinks it's in the 1980's. That they have a huge Army in NATO to deter, fight, and even beat the despicable Red Commie Bastards. I was a Leopard tanker in the Canadian Army at that time and was in Lahr, Germany. So I know the feeling, kind of. I was sure we would be able to defend Europe against the Soviets horde. Well, in public anyhoo. NATO Armies are nowhere near that strength now. Good grief - the UK will only have around 140 Challenger 3 in the future. That is almost as few tanks as Canada has, which I think is around 100 Leopard 2. Germany certainly doesn't have the Army they had, as well as most if not all of the other members of NATO. Except maybe Turkey. Not sure about them but Col Doug Macgregor says they have a large powerful Army.
And of course the US is willing to go to war in Europe. Or seem nonplussed about nuclear bombs dropping on Europe, especially in a place like Ukraine. Politicians like Lindsey Graham are a dangerous lot. Most of them are totally corrupt and thus will do whatever their donors tell them to do. It's a bribery and blackmail scheme all folded into one package. I pay you now; blackmail you after unless you do as told. I'm sure it's similar in Canada as well. Our dear potato sounds like he is ready to go directly to war against Russia recently. "A war Russia cannot win" or something like that.
Our arms race against Russia had slowed down since the Soviet Union fell but now it will be back in business. And that business is a profitable one. Look at all the wars that the US (I choose the US because they have the most industry) have been in since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 or 92. That, in retrospect, seems like a bridge between cold war and arm races to me...
I think President Putin is doing what he has always done and that's whatever is best for both Russia and Russian peoples. I don't think he has any intent in the rest of Europe. Like you say - what would be in it for them? I think people forget that the only reason the Soviet Union was in the rest of Europe was because they were in the act of pushing the German Army back to Berlin. Once the war was over they were genuinely afraid that their former allies would invade them. So they stayed in Berlin and German and what would become the Warsaw Pact to defend against that. Even though I thought at the time that they were a danger to Europe when I was in Germany. I never had the wisdom then to think about why would Russia try to take the rest of Europe now? I shouldn't say wisdom - experience is a better word.
The rest of the world leadership could learn something from both Russia and China leadership.
Dolts like Biden, Macron, Sholz, the EU parliment, Trudea, etc are weak moldable folks that can be taken advantage of by the world elite. WEF et al.
I think the people of Taiwan will learn a lot from what is going on in Ukraine. And if they know what's best for them so will the Georgians.
Business will always find a way to proper.
It seems to me that a peace summit without both sides is just a war conference.
I think pro Russian Ukrainians are in fact Russians.
Cheers.
India ❤ Poothing
He hasn't mentioned dk influence or neocon ws so far?😮
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More than 800 days later and 500K missing, Russia is stronger than ever. We see 1950 era tanks, Korean shells, and mercentaries. Crimea will fall to Ukraine without an invasion. Troops need water to drink.
Listening to GR is a painful experience
This guy sounds confused.
Hopium. Copium.
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Professors are intellectuals, they play with ideas, scenarios, speculations. Wars are fought and conducted by men of action. Asking for his opinions and assessments is like asking a man that has never been in a fistfight all about the art of fist-fighting.
I agree with you totally that is why I said he is talking bullshit. These so called professor and academics are just mouthpieces and all talk and no action. Real men sort out the problems by working on solutions
This is very odd? We have 470 watching but only 52 likes in total for every post?😮
This is RUclips problem... restart your mobile 📱 it will be back to normal.
I agree 100% with the opinion of Geoffrey Roberts. BUT, with all due respect to him, I find his way of talking not very comfortable to listen to 😂😂😂 if you understand what I mean.
I totally agree the stutter is extremely annoying. Great info though
Hi, Nima. There is no "i like this" choice given. There is only "I dislike this". What's up with RUclips?!
Mr. Robert's stutters way too much.
Kiev in threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee days 😂😂😂
Days.. daycades.. DECADES. That's the word Poothing was looking for.
A serious shituation
This guy is totally biased snd full of bullshit
What in particular?
Keep taking your jabs and believe the wests narrative
This interview would have been 45 mins without the stu stu stu stu stu stuttering
Retired Geoffrey got his 15 minutes of fame, and tired Scott got his 15.. no, 35 years young "foreign agent". 😲
Better to stutter than walk with an in-built pedometer, don't you think?
Slow down and the stuttering will stop. Then I will listen.
It's like listening to Porky Pig or Piglet.. stuttering up a storm.
Perhaps you could get your medication adjusted to help with your attention span of a gnat!!!
@@sayville_silver REVEALS YOUR character flaw !!!
@@williamrager I'm not the one who said who wont listen to it. I'm simply making an observation. A correlation to fictional characters. Idk what you're being overly sensitive about.
Russia has not the means to take the baltic states...Ok...
Not the will it would appear
Delusional comment indeed
Other than the fact that these Muppet, latent Nazi tolerating nations are willing to be used as springboard for Western attacks against Russia, as in WWII, Russia couldn't give a wit about them.
@@BillDingee Nobody around Russia cares about their cabbage and lack of toilet paper. Who would ever want to have piece of such a dump?
'THAT SMALL MINORITY....EXPENSKY'S FOUNDATIONS"...Facists, please less of the ambiguity!
Bullshit.
Mr. Roberts.........is in the most annoying habit, of stuttering.
Needs to get grounded.
uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uhhhh
… just by being a brit i do not believe a single word that they are saying (or of greek origins for that matter alexander duran alex) … its waste of time …
As a Brit what do you waste your time on ???
From my personal experience, the most die hard Ukrainians determined to keep fighting Russia are those who fled to EU, enjoying all the benefits that they have been given.
Just like it's the rich who don't suffer who are most pro war in the west, just like all our politicians/landlords are the ones against building social housing and not letting tens of thousands of citizens be homeless at the expense of migrants.. unfortunately we are not democratic
The loudest mouths ran away to fight their war on Twitter or Telegram. Embarrassing.
Meanwhile decent Ukrainians that didn't want to fight are forced to at the end of a Ukrainian held neo Nazi battalion members rifle
How can they be that die hard when they fled? 😂
@@adz-ql6kv exactly, thats the irony of it all.
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Thanks Nima! 🇧🇷🇦🇺🇷🇺🇵🇸
How can Zelensky go on when no elections are taken place? No peacetalks possible between russia and ukraine
He can continue under the new Fake marshall law...
exactly
Martial law. As long war goes on, elections won't be able to take place. Russia should leave.
Does it follow that the UkR people will accept defeat before Zelensky? Does the former tend to happen in most wars?
Most wars end quickly with a negotiated settlement once one side realizes they are losing.
How about Russian subtitle?
Zelensky reminds me The Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail priceless scene.
"Your arm's off!"
"No it isn't!"
“Look you stupid bastard you’ve got no arms left!”
"It's a flesh wound. I've had worse.
"Well what's that then?"
"I’m invincible!”
“You’re a looney.”
“Alright, we’ll call it a draw!”
The sound from Geoffrey is not very good unfortunately and there is background noise from birds or something distirbing.