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Can I just say I love the detailed notes and cross-referencing. As someone who has made an entire character list -- and I mean everyone named ever in the show (and a few unnamed), including people like Jill (the woman in the butcher shop) and Anthony Cooper's gatekeeper Eddie (one of two Eddies), I appreciate the obsession.
It's always the same leg! Impaled during "Lockdown," shot by Ethan in "Because You Left," and broken in this episode. John just can't catch a break (HA!) with his right leg.
12:26 Idk why Eric kept saying that. Richard tells John that to save the the island and everyone else, he has to die. He doesn't say "John, you told me to tell you that you have to die." Eric accidentally spoiled that, either because he was thinking about the reveal in a future episode or because he got the lines mixed up when John asks Richard how he knows he's been shot, and Richard says "You told me".
Woaah Eric highlighted something near the start of the discussion and I wasn't looking at the screen and it really sounded like the smoke monster for a second 😂😂
Omg I started reading your comment just as that part you're talking about came up and before I finished your comment I was like "the smoke monster!!!!"
Man, rewatching that scene with "Christian" with the full context from the rest of the season and series is just chilling and heartbreaking. Will never understand the hate for this series.
@@charlieg2262 Spoilers: I think they're referring to MIB's (Christian) motives for getting John off the Island. He needs him to bring back the other candidates so he can finish his plan. I also think he can't help John up because it goes against the rules. He's not allowed to touch or harm the characters until they're not candidates anymore. So in context, it seems like he wants to help John. But really, he wants John and the others to die to fulfill his plans.
@@ryanl9224 Yeah, he just get John off the island to get killed, since he can't do it himself, plus if anyone attempts to kill him the island will heal him.
I absolutely LOVE how this episode is almost it's own mini horror movie, with a team of characters we don't really know in the jungle slowly being stalked and hunted by a monster. It's very Predictor in that way, feeling very 80's, which is fitting it being 1988. In this episode we see that Robert was the one who told Danielle the smoke monster is a security system. SPOILERS for Season 6 | | | We learn later that the MIB often lies to people to turn them on each other, Richard, Sayid, etc. Robert was the first to go into the cave after Montund, then it flashes and we can surmise that the MIB appeared to Robert either as himself or someone close to Robert and told him the smoke monster was a security system, which is obviously a lie. He also said something to Robert and the other 2 men who went into the cave something to turn them on Danielle, perhaps that Alex was a demon child or something. That would make them want to kill her. It's just so funny how many people were told that security system lie again and again and it's just not true, us as the audience, being to last to be told BY Danielle in Season 1. It's so good how John is at this point accepting of his destiny that in order for the rest to live, he's okay with dying off the island. Very unselfish, and sadly the finale part of the MIB's manipulation of John. Although it's funny how the MIB didn't anticipate that in order for Jack to believe, John must die for the cause.
Wait, isn't this the episode where you first see the full statue (from a distance, from behind) at the well? Did they not show the reaction to that. I was waiting for Rick to get a glimpse of it.
When faced with helping himself or someone else, the Man of Faith - John Locke - always seemed to choose himself. Meanwhile, the Man of Science - Jack Shepard - always seemed to choose helping others.
2:17 _"Rousseau wouldn't have remembered Jin…?"_ IMO if we've only been in the presence of someone once many years ago, it's very unlikely we'll be able to hold the image of that individual inside our mind. Particularly if there is no reason for them to constantly be called to mind each day or week over the years. We viewers rarely take into account we remember someone so well because we have (or have often seen) pictures of them. Or they are in our lives from that point on. If we've only been in the presence of someone *_once,_* or for a short time, many years ago, then it's unlikely we're going to be able to hold the image of that individual inside our mind. This is something we should consider when watching a period piece. If it is a time where there are no photographs, it's not easy to recall another individual from many years ago. I suppose exceptions are made when the aforementioned individual is someone that a character has grown up with, or spent many years with *before* the long separation. Or perhaps if they have a reason to be fixated on them, or obsessed with them. And even if that's the case, without a photo, they'd have to have spent some considerable time with that person to hold their image in their head over the years. Can there be exceptions to this? Absolutely. And I imagine some stories require us to just forgo this detail altogether. I hope this makes sense. I'm trying to write this with a migraine coming on.😖
Yes. I have worked with a woman last november during 10 days. And I am not sure I could recognize her if I met her on the street. So, imagine someone 16 years ago during several hours, impossible.
I don't know about you, if I was a French woman in a group of other French people and a Korean man washed up next to me in the ocean and I spent at least a few hours with him, I would remember who he was, especially when I saw only one other Korean man after that for the rest of my life. I would probably remember him and make that connection.
@@gretchenortner I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this a bit more. This is what I'll call _fourth wall thinking._ Thinking like a television viewer. Not only are we watching these moments back-to-back, but we're looking at actors we've seen over and over and over again. Instead of living day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year without a photo, nor a reason to focus on this particular person. Could someone have a vague recollection that there was also an Asian fellow that they had met once? Sure. But they'd be hard-pressed to hold that person's exact image in their head without a photograph. . .or as I pointed out previously, _thinking about them on a regular basis while trying to survive on an island all alone for years._ Once they did see this man again, assuming they somehow remembered exactly what he looked like. . .the fact that he looks just like the man they had met decades before without aging, would likely mess with their perception a bit as well. Perhaps it should also be noted, studies have shown that mistaken eyewitness testimony accounts for about half of all wrongful convictions. And those are people who have been seen doing something rather remarkable (i.e., crime) and the witnesses are _wanting to remember_ what those others look like. And we're not talking decades between sightings. Ultimately, I just feel it's easier said than done. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Again, thank you for the opportunity to talk about this further. Even if I did seem to get a bit redundant.
Rousseau and Jin almost never met in the first four seasons. The only scene where they are together was at the end of season 3, when Jack brings a group of people to show them his plan about the dynamite. Then too, it was a group thing, and Jin wasn't really at the forefront. A few hours later, Jack decided that Rousseau would lead everybody to the radio tower. Jin stayed behind to shoot the explosives. Then after a brief reunion of the beach group and the radio tower group in the jungle in the middle of the night, Rousseau went with Locke, and Jin stayed behind with Jack. A few days later she was killed by Keamy's men. Before that, the only time she had gone to the survivor's camp was at the end of season 1 when she went to tell them that the others were coming. I don't think the camera showed Jin, and in the very next scene, we see him working on the raft (which was at a short distance from the main campsite). So there are two possibilities. Either he was working on the raft. Or he was at the scene (even though the camera didn't pick him up). But then he would be one person in a crowd of about 40 people Other people had much moresignificant (and extended interactions) with her. It would have been weird if she had met them and didn't at least look at them weird. Sayid Hurley - Went to ask her about the numbers. Claire - Was saved by Rousseau and went to the medical hatch with her. Kate - Went with Claire and Rousseau to the medical hatch. Went with her to find the Others' camp. Locke - Went with her to find the Others' camp. Jack and Juliet - Secretly asked her to get dynamite from the Black Rock to blow up the others when they came to take the pregnant women. Jin was within 20-30 yards of her for a few hours that one day. And it was established that she was the one rigging explosives to the tents before the plan to go to the radio tower came about. Not that difficult to imagine that she never really paid much attention to Jin.
@@salilmishra12 Agree. And Jin doesn't look the same (short hair, costume) in Season 1. Also, even though Rousseau thinks Jin looks like the sailor the crew rescued, he's too young since 16 years has passed for her, and so for the sailor. Also, and it happens in S5E12, Ben told her not to try to interfere with the Others when he kidnapped Alex. So, if she thinks Jin is an Other, she doesn't want to destroy his cover, on pain of retaliation. That’s why she doesn’t say a word about Jin may be. So may be she recognizes him or not, but she doesn’t say nothing, which is logic in both ways. imo.
C’est vrai. La vieille Rousseau, puisque croate, avait un accent terrible. Et là, c’est du québécois. Mais la jeune Rousseau et son mari qu'elle tue parlent assez bien, je trouve.
@@youtpfpm6097 Oui. C'est le blond qui est vraiment incompréhensible, je trouve. Il m'a plutôt l'air d'un comédien anglophone qui a appris son texte phonétiquement avec un prof québécois.
@@romaina.6241 et il n'y a pas que le français. Il y a un type qui parle arabe et qui fait des réactions sur Lost qui pense que Sayid et les autres personnages qui parlent arabe sont très mauvais quand ils le parlent.
Uh oh Eric, you revealed a tad too much just now to Rick. Rick doesn't yet know that John told Richard told John "You're gonna have to die" yet. We've only seen Richard say that to John. Also, the while smoke in this episode wasn't The Others who took Alex, that smoke was Danielle's camp. That's why Jin walked towards it and found Danielle. Also, no, it was black smoke.
Ok, can y'all please get a different editor? I'm sorry, but your lost reactions are getting shorter and shorter. I mean, what was it... 5 or 6 minutes of Lost on the screen? I really don't mean to come off as coarse, or rude, or ungrateful - genuinely, I don't mean to come off sounding like a Karen or a Chad - but, there's nothing in these recent reactions.
@@kennayy4394 yes. I've heard other reactors say sometimes their videos are short because of the editor of that individual task. The videos used to be longer. You really can't get much of the story, or reaction when it's that short. Half the time is spent reviewing it after the episode.
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Can I just say I love the detailed notes and cross-referencing. As someone who has made an entire character list -- and I mean everyone named ever in the show (and a few unnamed), including people like Jill (the woman in the butcher shop) and Anthony Cooper's gatekeeper Eddie (one of two Eddies), I appreciate the obsession.
It's always the same leg! Impaled during "Lockdown," shot by Ethan in "Because You Left," and broken in this episode. John just can't catch a break (HA!) with his right leg.
seems like such a long time ago that Jin and Sawyer were on/off the raft and in peril.
12:26 Idk why Eric kept saying that. Richard tells John that to save the the island and everyone else, he has to die.
He doesn't say "John, you told me to tell you that you have to die."
Eric accidentally spoiled that, either because he was thinking about the reveal in a future episode or because he got the lines mixed up when John asks Richard how he knows he's been shot, and Richard says "You told me".
Woaah Eric highlighted something near the start of the discussion and I wasn't looking at the screen and it really sounded like the smoke monster for a second 😂😂
Omg I started reading your comment just as that part you're talking about came up and before I finished your comment I was like "the smoke monster!!!!"
@@gretchenortner spooppyyyyy
Time stamp?
Man, rewatching that scene with "Christian" with the full context from the rest of the season and series is just chilling and heartbreaking. Will never understand the hate for this series.
I’ve watched the full series but I think a lot went over my head, do you mind explaining your comment to me please? ( maybe put a spoiler tag )
@@charlieg2262 Spoilers:
I think they're referring to MIB's (Christian) motives for getting John off the Island. He needs him to bring back the other candidates so he can finish his plan. I also think he can't help John up because it goes against the rules. He's not allowed to touch or harm the characters until they're not candidates anymore. So in context, it seems like he wants to help John. But really, he wants John and the others to die to fulfill his plans.
@@ryanl9224 Yeah, he just get John off the island to get killed, since he can't do it himself, plus if anyone attempts to kill him the island will heal him.
Yes I'm gonna binge watch all the lost reactions now
God i miss getting excited about a new episode of lost
IMO, Lost is one of the incredibly rare successful uses of the 'mystery box.' Lotta series try it, and are worse off for that.
I don't think it was successful BECAUSE of the 'mystery box' but in spite of it.
@@kereminde I agree.
Im not sure if anyone caught it the english voice reading off the numbers sounds like Hugos voice
i love how mib was so in character of being a ghost that he refused to help john up when he asily could have
At last, my favourite episode.
I absolutely LOVE how this episode is almost it's own mini horror movie, with a team of characters we don't really know in the jungle slowly being stalked and hunted by a monster. It's very Predictor in that way, feeling very 80's, which is fitting it being 1988.
In this episode we see that Robert was the one who told Danielle the smoke monster is a security system.
SPOILERS for Season 6
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We learn later that the MIB often lies to people to turn them on each other, Richard, Sayid, etc. Robert was the first to go into the cave after Montund, then it flashes and we can surmise that the MIB appeared to Robert either as himself or someone close to Robert and told him the smoke monster was a security system, which is obviously a lie. He also said something to Robert and the other 2 men who went into the cave something to turn them on Danielle, perhaps that Alex was a demon child or something. That would make them want to kill her. It's just so funny how many people were told that security system lie again and again and it's just not true, us as the audience, being to last to be told BY Danielle in Season 1.
It's so good how John is at this point accepting of his destiny that in order for the rest to live, he's okay with dying off the island. Very unselfish, and sadly the finale part of the MIB's manipulation of John. Although it's funny how the MIB didn't anticipate that in order for Jack to believe, John must die for the cause.
Wait, isn't this the episode where you first see the full statue (from a distance, from behind) at the well? Did they not show the reaction to that. I was waiting for Rick to get a glimpse of it.
When faced with helping himself or someone else, the Man of Faith - John Locke - always seemed to choose himself. Meanwhile, the Man of Science - Jack Shepard - always seemed to choose helping others.
The best part of season 5 begins!
2:17 _"Rousseau wouldn't have remembered Jin…?"_ IMO if we've only been in the presence of someone once many years ago, it's very unlikely we'll be able to hold the image of that individual inside our mind. Particularly if there is no reason for them to constantly be called to mind each day or week over the years.
We viewers rarely take into account we remember someone so well because we have (or have often seen) pictures of them. Or they are in our lives from that point on. If we've only been in the presence of someone *_once,_* or for a short time, many years ago, then it's unlikely we're going to be able to hold the image of that individual inside our mind.
This is something we should consider when watching a period piece. If it is a time where there are no photographs, it's not easy to recall another individual from many years ago. I suppose exceptions are made when the aforementioned individual is someone that a character has grown up with, or spent many years with *before* the long separation. Or perhaps if they have a reason to be fixated on them, or obsessed with them. And even if that's the case, without a photo, they'd have to have spent some considerable time with that person to hold their image in their head over the years.
Can there be exceptions to this? Absolutely. And I imagine some stories require us to just forgo this detail altogether.
I hope this makes sense. I'm trying to write this with a migraine coming on.😖
Yes. I have worked with a woman last november during 10 days. And I am not sure I could recognize her if I met her on the street. So, imagine someone 16 years ago during several hours, impossible.
I don't know about you, if I was a French woman in a group of other French people and a Korean man washed up next to me in the ocean and I spent at least a few hours with him, I would remember who he was, especially when I saw only one other Korean man after that for the rest of my life. I would probably remember him and make that connection.
@@gretchenortner I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this a bit more.
This is what I'll call _fourth wall thinking._ Thinking like a television viewer. Not only are we watching these moments back-to-back, but we're looking at actors we've seen over and over and over again. Instead of living day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year without a photo, nor a reason to focus on this particular person.
Could someone have a vague recollection that there was also an Asian fellow that they had met once? Sure. But they'd be hard-pressed to hold that person's exact image in their head without a photograph. . .or as I pointed out previously, _thinking about them on a regular basis while trying to survive on an island all alone for years._
Once they did see this man again, assuming they somehow remembered exactly what he looked like. . .the fact that he looks just like the man they had met decades before without aging, would likely mess with their perception a bit as well.
Perhaps it should also be noted, studies have shown that mistaken eyewitness testimony accounts for about half of all wrongful convictions. And those are people who have been seen doing something rather remarkable (i.e., crime) and the witnesses are _wanting to remember_ what those others look like. And we're not talking decades between sightings.
Ultimately, I just feel it's easier said than done.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Again, thank you for the opportunity to talk about this further. Even if I did seem to get a bit redundant.
Rousseau and Jin almost never met in the first four seasons. The only scene where they are together was at the end of season 3, when Jack brings a group of people to show them his plan about the dynamite. Then too, it was a group thing, and Jin wasn't really at the forefront. A few hours later, Jack decided that Rousseau would lead everybody to the radio tower. Jin stayed behind to shoot the explosives. Then after a brief reunion of the beach group and the radio tower group in the jungle in the middle of the night, Rousseau went with Locke, and Jin stayed behind with Jack. A few days later she was killed by Keamy's men.
Before that, the only time she had gone to the survivor's camp was at the end of season 1 when she went to tell them that the others were coming. I don't think the camera showed Jin, and in the very next scene, we see him working on the raft (which was at a short distance from the main campsite). So there are two possibilities. Either he was working on the raft. Or he was at the scene (even though the camera didn't pick him up). But then he would be one person in a crowd of about 40 people
Other people had much moresignificant (and extended interactions) with her. It would have been weird if she had met them and didn't at least look at them weird.
Sayid
Hurley - Went to ask her about the numbers.
Claire - Was saved by Rousseau and went to the medical hatch with her.
Kate - Went with Claire and Rousseau to the medical hatch. Went with her to find the Others' camp.
Locke - Went with her to find the Others' camp.
Jack and Juliet - Secretly asked her to get dynamite from the Black Rock to blow up the others when they came to take the pregnant women.
Jin was within 20-30 yards of her for a few hours that one day. And it was established that she was the one rigging explosives to the tents before the plan to go to the radio tower came about. Not that difficult to imagine that she never really paid much attention to Jin.
@@salilmishra12 Agree. And Jin doesn't look the same (short hair, costume) in Season 1. Also, even though Rousseau thinks Jin looks like the sailor the crew rescued, he's too young since 16 years has passed for her, and so for the sailor. Also, and it happens in S5E12,
Ben told her not to try to interfere with the Others when he kidnapped Alex. So, if she thinks Jin is an Other, she doesn't want to destroy his cover, on pain of retaliation. That’s why she doesn’t say a word about Jin may be.
So may be she recognizes him or not, but she doesn’t say nothing, which is logic in both ways. imo.
It is french but with a thick, thick, thick, canadian accent.
I don't know what Rick meant by "seeing his daughter back in time now".
WHUUUUT? When did Ben see Alex back in time? Like in the past?
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I can't look at broken legs either, Eric
Don't be sad about not understanding french. I'm french and I can't understand most of these "french" actors.
C’est vrai. La vieille Rousseau, puisque croate, avait un accent terrible. Et là, c’est du québécois. Mais la jeune Rousseau et son mari qu'elle tue parlent assez bien, je trouve.
@@youtpfpm6097 Oui. C'est le blond qui est vraiment incompréhensible, je trouve. Il m'a plutôt l'air d'un comédien anglophone qui a appris son texte phonétiquement avec un prof québécois.
@@romaina.6241 et il n'y a pas que le français. Il y a un type qui parle arabe et qui fait des réactions sur Lost qui pense que Sayid et les autres personnages qui parlent arabe sont très mauvais quand ils le parlent.
@@youtpfpm6097 Je veux bien te croire.
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Uh oh Eric, you revealed a tad too much just now to Rick. Rick doesn't yet know that John told Richard told John "You're gonna have to die" yet. We've only seen Richard say that to John.
Also, the while smoke in this episode wasn't The Others who took Alex, that smoke was Danielle's camp. That's why Jin walked towards it and found Danielle.
Also, no, it was black smoke.
Ok, can y'all please get a different editor? I'm sorry, but your lost reactions are getting shorter and shorter. I mean, what was it... 5 or 6 minutes of Lost on the screen? I really don't mean to come off as coarse, or rude, or ungrateful - genuinely, I don't mean to come off sounding like a Karen or a Chad - but, there's nothing in these recent reactions.
No, it's 11.
Do you really think it's the editor's decision on how much footage of the show is shown?
@@kennayy4394 yes. I've heard other reactors say sometimes their videos are short because of the editor of that individual task. The videos used to be longer. You really can't get much of the story, or reaction when it's that short. Half the time is spent reviewing it after the episode.
Wait, guys you do know who Eli is right?
I'm sure Eric does, but he's preserving the twist for Rick until it's revealed.
I think you missed an episode
love this terrible show but S1 was still the best