Broadway Limited vs. MTH Big Boy Review and Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- The new Broadway Limited Paragon 3 Union Pacific #4014 has arrived and we do a side by side comparison to the MTH Proto Sound 3 Union Pacific #4012 for performance and features. May the best Big boy win.
Hint... a new record is set forr the most cars pulled over the 1.5% ruling grade of the Texas and Pacific RR... How many? Watch the entire video!
Let me know what you think...
Enjoy the show
I’d say the Broadway Limited 4014 is clearly the winner. Better performance, better sound, impressive!
I just sold all of my MTH Big Boys and replaced them with BLI Big Boys. As far as I'm concerned, Nothing is better then BLI.
Are they still running? LOL
The Trix Big Boys are strong and solid!
Thanks for making this video, it helped me choose MTH OR BLI and in the end BLI won, just seems like the better model.
Broadway Limited Imports is excellent!!!
Smoke and steam patterns from the MTH look more realistic.
I like the colors from the BL though. And BL had a MUCH smoother take off.
Makes me wonder. I have a Railking 2-8-8-2 with smother slow speed operation than the big boy in this video. Noticed the whistle sound on the BLI was horrible. And the overall sound was very "tinny".
Howdy Neil.
Thanks to both of your videos regarding BLI's Big Boy, I made the purchase back in late March for the #4014.
It's been one purchase I've never regretted, and I thoroughly love the detail the locomotive has. Every time I run this behemoth, I'm always surprised by something new from him, especially his slow speed performance and sound.
Hope to see more videos of the Big Boy in action on your layout in the future.
Hank
Thank You for the kind comment. Neil
Both the MTH and BLI models of the UP Big Boy seem impressive, but i will say that the BLI model is the superior model due to the additional model weight along with the smoking steam whistle.
That flickering light on mth would drive me nuts.
Edward Velez might not be flickering. It could be that the camera shutter speed is causing that. The lightbulb actually has a frequency that sometimes a camera can pick up.
Jonathan Erickson yeah it’s the FPS of the camera causing that
That was great Neil,another awesome vid.love the storm as well.The BLI Big Boys rock,real glad I got one,Cheers Jon.
Jon, Thanks for the compliments! Neil
Nice vid and I know its old and I read the comments and saw that the MTH had a bent rod. I was going to comment it operated like it was out of quarter. Anyway all these "BLI is the best" comments kill me. I like BLI, I have 10 or more of their steam locos including 4014. I also have 4005 MTH. I have never pulled more than 30ish cars with my BLI and I know it will pull a ton more but I wanted to get that out there before this. I have had mine for a little over a year. It had about 1.5 hours total run time on it and went completely bezerk. Chuff would not sync with the wheels then it wouldn't move then it would take off at full speed.
Ended up sending it back to BLI. They replaced the decoder AND the motor. This took all of 2.5 months BTW. I got it back and put maybe 40 minutes of run time on it pulling nothing at all and bamm the decoder is blown again. I have never had this issue with any of my other BLIs but this is seriously approaching stupid. I have hours on my MTH and NEVER have had an issue. Not a fan of the wireless draw bar but so far its been OK. Yeah the BLI looks better but that doesn't mean much when it doesn't work.
BLI is sending me ANOTHER decoder and Ill give that a try. If it fails again Ill just rip all the Paragon three crap out and wire a WOW Sound or Tsunami Steam2 in it. I bought a BLI Challenger off eBay that wasn't running and did this and its one of the best running locos I own.
One thing that I have learned is to never put locos on the track with power to the track. I turn the block off the place locos on track. Since I started doing that I have not had a decoder of any brand fail. Also running a DCC into a DC block will cause problems sometime. My personal experience. Neil
Broadway Limited Far Smoother
Superb comparison Neil! I love the big locos, and you have some great videos!
Broadway limited imports is better 😊
I like the mth smoke effect but I like the bli steam whistle
Yep,me again,lol.Neil I just watched it again but this time with headphones on,man that Rolling Thunder really melts your fillings,it is the best sounding example of it I have watched and heard so far,Hat is off to BLI,I see one in my near future.
Jon, FYI All of the engines sound are turned down from Default 128 to between 30 and 40 depending on the engine. The Rolling Thunder recommends turning the dial on the subwoofer to 75% which shakes the house and becomes overpowering pretty quick it is impressive but I keep it at 40%. The subwoofer control in the CVs is also set at 30 to 40 again by engine and also to make them sound different. I think the lower setting give good fill in bass without being overpowering. The way the engines are set up the Bell is set so the whistle drowns out the bell... and then the chuff is also set so it is drowned out almost by the whistle, then as the train goes off in the distance the whistle is the main thing one hears, and remember the RT fades at a certain distance. I spent hours relocating the RT receiver to get the fade in and out to make it as realistic as possible. On RUclips settings if you set the volume control to between 20% to 25% that is pretty close to what you will hear in person. I believe the microphone on the Sony camera is a little hot at the distance that I am shooting.
Good to hear that you enjoyed the videos.
Neil
Jon, By the way HO Hobbies is where I have bought a lot of my stuff lately. Bill is really good on customer service and his prices if you do cash are about impossible to beat. hohobbies.com/
Neil
The BL has better sound but the MTH has more realistic smoke (more forceful). The BL smoke just looks like a simmering ashtray.
My 2013 MTH Bigboy have a main wheel issue factory defects..it even cant handle R5 curve radius marklin c track ...and a couple days ago its main wheel broken and seized to move after got stuck in a turn out..even the front wheel still running but it wont be able to move the loco...so sad
That MTH has a lot of binding below about 20mph.In my opinion,the slower a loco can crawl, the better it is.Even the BLI is not great.I do have a BLI Blueline with a Zimo (I thnk) decder, & that thing you can just see the side rods move, if you look closely, speed step one. Ok it has basic sounds,no smoke,but one of THE best running locos, I have.Last count I have close to 300 locos, steam & diesel.
you would turn the sets of drivers on 4014 to get them out of sink with the other set be false that's how they acting worked plus it sounds like a beast
Since the video I opened the Gearbox cover and put the front engine 90 degrees from rear engine. it does look better. Also the when the sound goes in and out of sync it is not as apparent. Neil
Hi Neal,I had to watch it again,lol.Can you tell me about your layout please,is it freelance or did you follow a track plan?What are the dimentions,,L girder?Thanks in advance.Jon.
Jon, The layout is 13' 2" x 8' The Frame is 1x4 white pine with 2x4 legs 1x4 white pine risers support the 3/4 inch plywood roadbed. I would say it is freelanced although it has features of some of the plans from the 101 track plans. but it has the double loop for the HO and a similar double loop for the HOn3. The HO station track has a 24" radius and the outside yard has a 26" radius. The HO has a max grade of 1.5%, I think the HOn3 peaks at 2%. The scenery is screen wire with plaster. it is 47" tall at the front edge. Overall picture: neildahl.com/T&PLayout.jpg Neil
Thanks Neil,food for thought ,love the overall picture as well.Cheers Jon.
Great layout and video. Glad you got the MTH working correctly. Everyone is correct that they need to improve sound set though.
woooow!,....The BLI is the Best ok...the Best!!!....thanks ,.. Super Great...ok
I just received my NEW MTH Big Boy 4014 back from repair. It never ran. The TIU could not link up. I worked with the MTH Tech for 1 1/2 hours. I had to pay to return. Received it back Today. Same problem. Plus two items missing and Two items broken.
struck2soon
The sound of BLI is actually more prototypical, but not corrected when compared to vintage film recordings of Big Boy. In my opinion, the sound of MRC that came in the Genesis Challengers, first gen, is the closest to the real thing. The MTH sound recordings are from a smaller locomotive. By the way, that chuff sound is used in other MTH HO locomotives. Same problem on the Athearn Genesis Big Boy that uses incorrect Tsunami chuff sounds.
Correct sound files is one thing. Sound quality is another point. Overall, MTH locomotives tend to sound better, because 2 reasons: tender bodies are usually in die cast and quality of speakers AND their enclosures are better quality and design. The BLIs tend to sound not very good of the box, because the come with volume cranked to max, where the amplifier distorts, the tender shell vibrates and on the end of speakers volume capacity. This is particularly noticeable when the whistle is blown. So, if you lower the BLI volume to 2/3, most of sound problem goes away. Very few BLI have quality sound as good as MTH. Recently, I heard the Milw S3 and its sound file and quality is very good. Most of BLI brass hybrids are have very good sound. Which exceptions of Hudsons that I suspect is the same recordings of decade ago. BLI sound quality and drivetrain keeps improving. As opposed to MTH which still the same. This video clearly shows the verdict
The sound and smoke on the BLI version are poor....the MTH does a better job there.(BLI sounds more like a snare-drum!) But the BLI is clearly equipped with a superior motor and drive. I guess you need to decide whether it's more important to haul 100 cars or be able to look and listen to a more prototype loco...
MTH's sounds need updating. Sounds exactly the same as the 2010 models. Their sound system sounds like snare drums more than BLI's. A bit disappointing for something that costs an arm and a leg.
The BLI sounds waaaay better to me! MTH's chuffing sounds are horrible!
struck2soon
The sound of BLI is actually more prototypical, but not corrected when compared to vintage film recordings of Big Boy. In my opinion, the sound of MRC that came in the Genesis Challengers, first gen, is the closest to the real thing. The MTH sound recordings are from a smaller locomotive. By the way, that chuff sound is used in other MTH HO locomotives. Same problem on the Athearn Genesis Big Boy that uses incorrect Tsunami chuff sounds.
Correct sound files is one thing. Sound quality is another point. Overall, MTH locomotives tend to sound better, because 2 reasons: tender bodies are usually in die cast and quality of speakers AND their enclosures are better quality and design. The BLIs tend to sound not very good of the box, because the come with volume cranked to max, where the amplifier distorts, the tender shell vibrates and on the end of speakers volume capacity. This is particularly noticeable when the whistle is blown. So, if you lower the BLI volume to 2/3, most of sound problem goes away. Very few BLI have quality sound as good as MTH. Recently, I heard the Milw S3 and its sound file and quality is very good. Most of BLI brass hybrids are have very good sound. Which exceptions of Hudsons that I suspect is the same recordings of decade ago. BLI sound quality and drivetrain keeps improving. As opposed to MTH which still the same. This video clearly shows the verdict
good assessment...although don't really agree about the MRC decoders fitted to the early Big Boys and Challengers.(I have both and can't wait to change them!) Having seen recent demos by George Bouglias(spelling?) of the Tsunami2 it seems pretty good, as does the offering from ESU Loksound. I also have a single MTH brass hybrid (UP 4-12-2) and a single BLI brass hybrid (UP 2-10-2; you may have noticed a theme emerging here?) and whilst the sound is pretty good my one gripe is that the sound emits from the tender which just sounds wrong as soon as you get closer than 6 feet to your loco...a decent sugar cube in smokebox would almost certainly sound better.
MTH equips Fans in the units, so it smokes better.
MTH low speed operation seems a bit jerky, I love the realistic smoke on that one. BlI seems very smooth low speed, smoke seems toyish to me especially on the idle, is there any adjustment that can be made on the BLI? Both models are real beauties to look at.
BLI has 5 CV's dedicated to adjusting the smoke, volume, Chuff, Density, and timing, as well as duration, it is in their tech manual online. These engines are out of the box with no adjustments. Neil
Thanks Neil, I have the BLI on pre order, looking forward to seeing it in person.
Hi Neil, love those lit switch throws,who makes them ,thanks in advance.Jon.
Jon, They are made by Tomar. Mine are the 1.5 volt version they are set up to run on a !.2 volt rechargeable battery it takes about 12 hours to run the battery down, but the bulbs should last longer. They also will work off a regular 1.5 volt battery but might not last as long... There are 9 of the throws wired in parallel. I think Tomar has started making them with LEDs but I am not sure. Neil
Thanks mate
Broadway limited Big Boy has two sets of traction tires on there engine ..so they have two more traction tires...thus more pulling power if they don't give you more problems with pickup over switches.
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At least the BLI did not display any wheel slippage, unlike the MTH displayed!
The BLI had a far smoother start/stop performance than had the MTH.
Strictly on the viewing of this video, I would purchase the BLI product over the MTH product.
I suppose the MTH needs break-in as it really stuttered in forward and reverse. The only plus with the MTH is the blower for the smoke. Rolling thunder makes the ground shake which is what the actual Big Boy did. However that said in my opinion the Rolling thunder works better in diesel operation. I do have Rolling Thunder and really believe it needs work as it doesn't really reduce or increase the sound effect as the loco comes and goes. Plus you can't move from the spot of the speaker. BUT; I like it.
mine needed a break in of about 1 hour
BLI just seems smoother. ? Like the 'steam' smoke better on the MTH. Though.
Okey Neil thanks for you replies you have a vary cool train set. I'm only ten but love steam loco's maybe because of my dad liking trains lol anyway ttfn
Linda, The train hobby is a lot of fun, it is great when families can enjoy a hobby together. When the grand kids come over the first thing they want to do is run the trains. I agree with you that steam engines are the most interesting. Hope you get to see #4014 run in real life someday! Neil
What a powerful Big Boy steam locomotive. 60 Cars on a 1.5% ruling grade awesome.Neil you have a great looking train layout. how large is it and when did you star to build it? I enjoyed your videos and subscribed. Greeting Nick from New Jersey
Nick, The layout is 9 ft by 13 ft it was started in 1980. Thanks Neil
You welcome. Neil
MTH Big Boy is actually the original BLI/PCM model right? The version in my eyes has some proportion issues. The boiler diameter seems a bit small and the boiler seems to sit a bit too high above the frame/wheels.
The MTH Big Boy is the Proto Sound 3 label says 2010 I bought it new in 2013, the two have the same boiler diameter 1.08 inches they are just on different tracks. the BLI weights 2lbs 5 ounces loco only and the MTH weighs 2 lbs 7 ounces loco only. Neil
I MODEL the PENNSY , my diesels are Walthers , BLI and MTH .
MTH are the best
Walther's are next
BLI are last (( except my centepedes ))
For some reason MTH puts A lot more efforts into their diesels than steam ...
But nothing compares to BLI steam , ((( paragon 2/3 )))
BRASS HYBRID'S ARE OUT OF THIS WORLD !!!!!!
they run smooth , look great , and can pull my furniture around my basement when my couch is in the way and I need it moved !!!!
H Neal,I would love to see and hear some footage of the BLI Big Boy now you have changed the offset of the front and rear engines.I want to do it to mine as it must look better,but I,m scared to try?How do you do it?Is it first drivers move one gear tooth ,second set one gear tooth,third set one gear tooth,forth set move one gear tooth until 90 degrees is reached?Cheers Jon Blakeney
Jon, The video you requested is posted now on my RUclips page, The sound does not change but I personally like the different presentation, tell me what you think? Neil
its models after first batch of engines witch came with generators mounted bellow aspen engine side.. they were all converted to top of boiler on firemen side at a later date
Hi Jon, as for moving the wheel sets to be out of sync, I've done it with practically all my double-driver set locos (including rod drive electrics) and it's quite straightforward.
Each set of drivers is connected to the motor with a worm gear sitting on top of the gear tower. There is a plastic cover on top of this holding the worm gear down to the other gears underneath it. The plastic cover is held down by four tabs-one on each corner. Use a small flat-head screwdriver to prise the tabs out and up - I've found it best to do one side at a time (be careful not to snap off those tabs, I did so on one of my locos and now the plastic cover is only held down by three tabs instead of four). Usually if you prise open one side the whole cover should pop off. With this plastic cover removed you can lift the worm gear and its end of the motor shaft up until it comes free of the gears underneath. You will find that the wheels on that set now move freely and you can move them to where you want them. Having done this drop the worm gear back into its place on the top of the gear tower (you may have to move the wheels slightly to get the worm gear to engage with the gears below it). Check that the motor is driving both the wheelsets by moving the flywheel with your finger or thumb and then push the plastic cover back on and you should be all set.
You only have to do this with one set of drivers.
Dennis
what make and model is that Texas & Pacific Loco #636 ?!?!?! I want one!
Broadway Limited Hybrid it came unlettered from factory. Neil
Chrome hubcaps?
If the Broadway Limited 4014 had the smoke from the 4012, it would be perfect, I'm still getting a bl version though
This comparison is straight out of the box. BLI allows one to change the CV for the heat of the smoke and the chuff. Once one makes that adjustment to their liking I think they are very comparable. Neil
Hi neil serious question will you sell the 4012 and how much?
Dan, Contact me at neildahl@tx.rr.com Neil
For the Broadway Limited Version does the smoke unit for the whistle have to be installed or does it like the smoke unit for chugging come automatically?
The steam for the Whistle operates automatically when you blow the whistle. ON the BLI the second stack fluid also supplies the fluid for the whistle... if I understand it properly. Neil
Just amazed at how many Big Boys are out there for ones choosing. Like an Oprah show, We get a big big, and we get a big boy and us and us too.. Hard to think these companies are still in business making a well issued loco .Heck sure Atlas never makes one.
I have a Trix Big Boy (convertible to the Marklin system).
So, MTH & BLI make them, also Rivarossi & Athern, those are the ones I know of...and this is just the HO models. - Dennis
i instantly knew the one on the left was the Broadway Limited, when it comes to HO Scale, Broadway Limited has better smoke effects. those of you who think that it also runs better are right, the MTH kind of lunges
You must be kidding. The BLI smoke generator looks like a toy compared with the MTH.
@@mjmonjure I know how you feel, these are the earlier runs of them, and MTH is releasing a new run/version of their HO Scale Big Boy this month, with a steaming whistle and the smoke unit still. It looks like they improved their smoke unit, but in the video they showed the smoke puffs out at an angle out of the stacks rather than straight up, but I don't know if they'll all be like that, but I really like it otherwise. I may even have to get one.
@@epiccsx Exactly, very excited to get one on the track. Ordered from Trainworld with delivery on Friday. I first saw the whistle steam on the Lionel O scale Challenger years ago. It was good for it's time but the new ones, including the HO versions, BLI included, are fantastic.
@@mjmonjure they are indeed! MTH will also soon be releasing a new version of the GS-4 steam with a steaming whistle and ProtoSound 3.0 www.trainworld.com/manufacturers/mth-trains/mth-80-3275-1-4-8-4-gs-4-steam-engine-w-proto-sound-3-0-southern-pacific-lines-4449/ www.mthtrains.com/80-3275-1
The smoke from MTH is better, i like it
More realistic, makes sense.
like to see if they will back through a #6 turnout without derailing. My BLI derailed everytime!
They both back up with 10 cars... but more than 10 causes a tender derailment normally . My Turnouts are #6. On flat track they might do more but on my layout they are pushing the cars uphill when there are more than 10 or so cars. Neil
Oh, crap. This is a tough one. The MTH is bigger, and I love the coal in the tender, but it doesn’t have much design. The Broadway Limited, has perfect design, but it isn’t as big as I was hoping for it to be, but it imports a lot more cars than the MTH. But it’s called a “Big Boy” because it’s the Iargest locomotive ever built, so the fact that it isn’t as big as the other one, kinda kills the mood. I have absolutely no idea what to choose
They are both the same length and boiler diameter, it is an illusion from the camera angle. There is one thing that impacts length the MTH does not couple very close to the tender so it can go around 18 inch curves. The Broadway Limited couples at a closer prototypical spacing and does not have coal since the plan is for #4014 to be fired by oil after it's restoration.
Engeneer of a diesel locomotive lives to 60, steam to 70 electric to 85 steam with hot metal drive to 110, because it is a meditating locomotive.
Holy cow look at all those Texas and Pacific engines! The T&P 610 is here in Palestine
5:54 is some rapid wheel slip!
i have first run of mth ho big boy #2014 an mine has pulled 70 fright cars with no problems ...run after does not run as good slow speed but is ok after speed step 4 ..also has no pulling power short coming also has upgraded dcc .i thing the first run of mth big boys has better gears was made in korea . 2nd run was made in china.
Price of each ?
Neil" you need to fix your track, I just watched your video again and it has a bad connection" The MTH is not running right because of it. Also I know about 4014 I live in Pomona California were they were keeping it & I saw it and ran up and kissed 4014. I was with my dad.
Linda, As commented below the MTH had an eccentric rod bent on the engineer's side that was causing a bind in the running gear, it was not noticed until after the video was published... and since both engines are operating on the exact same track... the track is not the issue. Something of interest about the MTH... several viewers have pointed out that the MTH does no have the steam turbine on it. I had never noticed it, but in reviewing MTH's catalogs I discovered that they apparently never put this detail part on their Big Boy's. No mbig deal but It caught me off guard. 4012 and 4014 are running great now. Hopefully one day UP will senf #4014 down to Texas like they used to do with #3985 and I will get to see her run. Thanks for your comments. Neil
Hi Linda, You kissed a steam locomotive? I've patted and stroked them on occasions but never kissed one! - Dennis
i wonder did you oil those's drivers before running the mth
Vic, The axles and rods have been lubricated on the MTH... now remember I found a bind in the ecentric on the right side after this video was made and that is posted below... With that said though the Broadway is straight out of the box. BTW after fixing the bind the BLI still seems to be smoother... Neil
Hi Neal,I just noticed the MTH has no dynamo/steam generator how could they overlook that?Cheers Jon.
Jon, You are correct I had never noticed that the MTH did not have one. You made me check to see if it had just fallen off... but there is not a mounting hole or anything to indicate it was ever there. Neil
The MTH is a "As delivered" model. The dynamo is down low on the engineer side. They all came this way but were relocated up top.
I HATE how MTH puts the same chuff on almost all of their engines. and BLI put whistle steam on the big boy which I think was a first in HO. I have 3 MTH Locomotives and they all have flickering lights. I don't like that either. BLI totally won.
Best video I've seen .
I do not like the swiveling rear engine underneath the boiler, not prototypical. In my view, scale models should not do this. Otherwise, both are nice models with MTH clearly winning when it comes to smoke performance. Sounds? I can go either way.
I prefer broadway limited to MTH
You selling any of your ho train engines or carts?
Did you use the traction tires or is that raw metal to metal?
Mike, They are as delivered from factory with traction tires installed. Neil
The MTH is pretty jerky at low speed. I will say the MTH has much better smoke. The BL smoke looks like a cigarette, though in both cases the smoke should be black, shouldn't it?
Wow your mth had a lot of lerching compared to mine
that MTH runs like crap
Yea
I got a BLI 4014 and it can't even navigate an 18 inch radius curve
It runs like crap because the tracks may be dirty or the controller for that track is faulty. There are many videos of MTH bigboys that don't do that. I am sure if you swap the locomotives around, the BLI would surge as well. Nothing against BLI, I have many, but I also have MTH and bye in large they are heavier and of equal build quality.
The steam emission is poor!
@@aidanshimpi2712 no steam engines thwt big can navigate an 18 inch radius curve...
34 cars including the caboose
34 cars for the MTH, 60 cars for the BLI, I like them both and since I normally only pull less than 20 cars due to siding length they work fine. each has it's positives. Neil
The erratic slow speed performance of the MTH puzzled me during the video. normally it runs excellent at speed step 1. It turns out that the eccentrics on the lead engine had become bent while being handled. Once I adjusted them for clearance performance as far as smoothness returned to what was shown in: ruclips.net/video/mkXv6MnaqcU/видео.html
Neil
Can it run on oo gauge track
Yes, HO is the same gauge as OO.
Bli as an all rounder but prefer the smoke and sound from the mth
how can u compare them! the price difference is over 2,000 bux
Sooooooooooooo cool
It looks like you have some bad palaces in your Track. In the first part of the video your running the MTH on a different track that has bad spots in it. You need to run them on the same track to make it fair.
Linda Alvarez or the engine is trash…
BLI for me.
The MTH may not have the whistle smoke (the whistle shouldn't be spewing smoke anyway, it should be steam) but BLI's smoke looks so fake who cares to see more fake smoke. The MTH has much more prototypical looking smoke. Plus you can get all different smoke smells from MTH, from Grampa's Pipe to Frying Bacon! I own several BLI locomotives and a couple of MTH engines as well and my vote goes to MTH for performance and overall quality. The customer service when you call MTH is outstanding. I can't even get BLI to return an email.
Smoke scents really nothing to do with loco appearance or performance, But JT's Mega Steam fluid comes in 44 different scents if that is what someone is looking for. BTW Both are operating with smoke fills of JT's NADA...close to being odorless and can be used in both MTH and BLI. Drop for drop JT's seems to provide more smoke and steam. I have no bone in either camp... with that said I have about 15 MTH and 15 BLI locos the only failures I have had have been with MTH and average about $200.00 for each repair, none of the BLI's have had performance failure. Customer service for both companies email and phone has always been excellent. BTW did you know that BLI has 4 CV's for smoke adjustments with over 100 values per CV so that one can tailor the smoke to their wishes? MTH has 4 settings including Off. As this was an out of the box test all setting were factory at the time of this video. Since I like both they will stay on my layout.
Sorry people MTH is way better! The MTH drive wheels look larger and more real prototype Big Boy. Also BLI has only one ash-pain wheel on the right side, when the real thing has too & there painted Red. Also this guy is running his MTH with out trackshion tires! The BLI has tires, not a fair test. My dad's MTH Big Boy would run circle's around thar BLI.
Linda, Both are good engines but you are incorrect on some of your assumptions. The drive wheels on both engines are the same exact size, the MTH has it's traction tires on it in this video... so both engines are traction tire equipped. The BLI is the version #4014 that is being restored by Union Pacific at this time... it will not have ash pans because it is going to be fueled by oil and has an oil bunker instead of a coal bunker. If UP decides to paint some levers, handles or wheels red then when they have it restored and running that will be a quick fix with a paint brush. Neil
i said that back app .11 months ago put other pair of traction tires on frond engine an you will see big diff. i have both ..i also seen other pull test an mth engine showed app. 8 to 9 ounces to me its about who is testing them
i like the broadway better
Steamtown Railfest, anyone?
Put mega steam in it
Had to watch it twice,lol.
Grand kids watched the video about 3 times and then they wanted to go to the garage to see the real thing!!! We ran until the smoke filled the garage!!! Neil
Damn, BLI takes it. I do like the MTH 2 engine sound better. But BLI is the better.
Although the BLI is overall better, the MTH has way better sound and smoke. It looks very realistic on the MTH
I would like to see both back thru even #8 cross overs. My 2008 BLI Big Boy would de-rail every time. It also need more weight on the pilot because the front engine would tend to clime the rails on a curve because it is hinged in the back.
1. It looks like you have some bad places in your truck. MTH Locos have Vary good electrical pickup. Having all wheel pickup on the locomotives & Tender. 2. For this to be a fair test you should have ran the BL on the same bad track as the MTH. Sorry to say bro but I think someone in this video is little biased for BL. I think the MTH detale is better for saying with the Original way the 4000s were delivered to the UP. BL is trying to Mach what 4014 today looks like. So how can you compare the tos detale. I CHOOSE MTH
There are not any bad places in the track, as stated in the Comments: "Andrew, The erratic slow speed performance of the MTH puzzled me during the
video. normally it runs excellent at speed step 2. It turns out that the
eccentrics on the lead engine had become bent while being handled. Once
I adjusted them for clearance performance as far as smoothness returned
to what was shown in: ruclips.net/video/mkXv6MnaqcU/видео.html
BTW I had posted this on Train Orders but forgot it on RUclips. Neil"
If you actually watched the whole video... you would see that both locomotives pull the same train on the same tracks so the comparison is totally fair. I have no manufacture bias I purchased all of my engines and receive no payment of any kind. If it were not for my 10 T&P 600's by BLI actually I have more MTH than BLI. I just buy engines that I like. Neil
There are not any bad places in the track, as stated in the Comments: "Andrew, The erratic slow speed performance of the MTH puzzled me during the
video. normally it runs excellent at speed step 2. It turns out that the
eccentrics on the lead engine had become bent while being handled. Once
I adjusted them for clearance performance as far as smoothness returned
to what was shown in: ruclips.net/video/mkXv6MnaqcU/видео.html
BTW I had posted this on Train Orders but forgot it on RUclips. Neil"
of course the mth didnt pull as many, bli locomotives have traction tires on 4wheels vs the mth that only has em on two. However the mth also comes with an extra wheelset without traction tires that you can swap out, i personally cant stand traction tires and remove them from any locomotive i can. metal wheels on metal rails just like the prototypes
The MTH sounds much better than the BLI especially the whistle. The BLI whistle sounds pathetic and weak. Outside of the sound the BLI has the advantage i.e runs better at lower speeds, lit marker lights, better smoke, better and correct details.
Ton und anfahren lassen sehr zu wünschen übrig
MTH's smoke fan is very noisy
but it sound like the dyanmo
MTH sucks on all of their locomotives, I will NEVER buy another one. Plus they don't back what they try to make anyway. BLI is way, way better, hands down.
MTH specializes in O scale, mainly.
Listen to me very carefully u don't like this train. It is to big and bulky and w a y too smoky. You want to give it to me today
What people see in the fake smoke is beyond me. To me, much of the model experience is in the unit, itself, how it looks stationary and in motion. Add things on a layout like real water and fake smoke and it just ruins the experience. There's nothing realistic about the 'smoke' emitting from either locomotive.
Since we can't see your hand on the speed control in the video the comparison is meaningless. I only have O scale MTH but their low speed operation is flawless, I doubt their HO would be this bad.
Andrew, The erratic slow speed performance of the MTH puzzled me during the
video. normally it runs excellent at speed step 2. It turns out that the
eccentrics on the lead engine had become bent while being handled. Once
I adjusted them for clearance performance as far as smoothness returned
to what was shown in: ruclips.net/video/mkXv6MnaqcU/видео.html
BTW I had posted this on Train Orders but forgot it on RUclips. Neil
Neil Dahl your MTH just needs to be serviced grease oil. My MTH would run circles around the broadway, and sounds just like 4014 does now. The only bad thing about MTH is the drawbar that will brake while pulling a 100 car freight.