Very nice sir. I hear people complain about lights being useless and how they always just take the biggest heaviest mechs they can. I almost always have a single light in my lance with ace pilot for double-tapping assaults in the back. You took a couple of risks that could have gone poorly. Heavy/Assault melee is the BANE of light mechs. One hit and it can slap the evasion right off your light. But they paid off this time.
No guts no Galaxy, I believe is the saying? :D. I have an entire campaign of me doing crazy stuff like this called "There are four lights". I know your a really busy man, but if you are interested, there is a particularly gripping episode coming up soon called "All out war", a very dicey 4 and 1/2 skull adventure in light mechs. Would you like me to poke you when it releases? :).
@@millerliberator8073 From my main youtube page (ruclips.net/user/TheEdmon), all the playlists are previous campaigns are there and you can browse through them. The four lights campaign direct link is here: ruclips.net/video/AQvFwc3f6BY/видео.html
If your light mechs can outrun the heavies (heavy or assault mechs) and also have mechwarriors with piloting expertise, you can defeat the heavies. Here’s how: you can delay your own mech actions until after the heavies have moved, then move in and rear attack the heavies, then next turn rear attack the heavies AGAIN and then run or jump clear of any surviving heavies before they have their next turn. Then repeat this when ready. This way you will never be at risk of suffering a melee attack from a heavy. PS, to achieve this, it is important that you have mech builds that enable 2 alpha strikes plus movement (remember, jumping creates more heat than walking) in a row without overheating. PPS, I reckon light mechs with very fast movement & plenty of jump jets are the safest mechs to try this with. I suspect it would be very risky with light mechs that have slower movement or not many jumpjets (e.g. urbanmechs).
Hang on just have to pick up my jaw from the floor. This was amazing! My current playstyle tends to prefer lightweight/mobile jumpy mediums (still in the mid game) and 1 LRM boat so I definitely resonated with this tactic. Although it seems to me it might be easier to pull this off vs heavy/assault than light mechs since they're typically slower and thus won't have as much evasion pips.
I'm glad it helped, if you want more examples of lights against everything, have a look at my original "There are four lights" campaign. I go from the early game to 5 skull and everything inbetween... lights only :). Oh and if you need anything, let me know.
@@TheEdmon I subscribed. I used to play tabletop a bit and am trying to get back into Battletech after kickstarter backing it. Very much enjoying the videos on strategy.
Battle Planning in 3 steps: Step 1: Analyze battlefield map and enemy composition, select your forces accordingly, draw up movement plans, attack orders, etc. Step 2: Drop into battle. Step 3: OMGOMGOMGOMG my AS7 just got headshot by an AC20, FFFFFFFFFFF---!!!! ****all your battle plans drop dead faster than your Atlas hits the ground****
Terminology around military maneuvers can be messy, if you look up "pincer maneuver" on wikipedia for example, it says "also known as a double envelopment". I choose the main wording as "Interdiction" because we are stopping a moving enemy force, that's coming to us for battle, by running past them, causing a surround and halting them where they are. Plus this is very much an "ambush" style strategy, but with the enemy being aware of the approaching danger (so it's not an actual ambush). I hope this clarifies why I used the wording I did. This is one of these things where there are a lot of terms that could be correct and I am simply working towards what I think is most correct.
@@TheEdmon I don't know how it was called, but Mongols did something like this when facing European heavies. Their cavalry was light and would be run over in frontal clash. But then, they would quickly get up and turn around and hit heavy cavalry from the back.
I'm not sure "interdiction" is what you describe it as here. Whilst it it can be used to aid in an envelopment, interdiction in its truest sense is to delay, destroy or impede forces or supplies reaching the engagement area, there by degrading combat effectiveness of individual units and limiting the ability for an opponent to mass there forces sufficiently. example, air interdiction missions will target supplies or reinforcements reaching a combat zone and has nothing to do with positioning forces to envelope the opponent - BUT a very good video non the less thank you kind sir :)
Great video. Thanks. How do you react if there's a reinforcement lance? You can't quite flank the enemy because you might get out flanked by the reinforcement.
Murder the first lance down fast, then disengage and re-engage once cooled off. It is exceptionally rare that two lances are literally on top of each other at the same time. So use that light speed and end the first lance quickly.
This is the basegame, there are no mods. The Firestarters have +1 defense gyros, nothing major. I have very little Lostech on the campaign this is from.
Give me an Atlas with Arrow IV and AMS and a Stalker as wingman and you will see me blasting your interdiction out of the sky with line astern formation. LOL!!!
First off, you act like this is something anyone can do at any time. You obviously trained a lance of pilots for an entire campaign with exactly the right set of skills to pull this off. At no point in the video did you even hint at that. Secondly, I'd be interested in knowing how consistently you pull this off during a campaign. I have a feeling this sort "win" requires a lot of save scumming, or just dumb luck. Pull this off ten times in a row and I might reconsider. Thirdly, by your own admission, this tactic doesn't work if you are outnumbered, which the majority of the time, you are. I see a very situational tactic which does nothing to counter the assertion that assault-creep is heavily present in this game. There is still no good reason not to take your biggest lance into every battle. Lights are still mostly useless.
This is something anyone can do at any time. I have my "There are four lights" campaign, where I play only lights through an entire career. From early game to end game, from 1/2 skull missions to 5 skull missions. I think watching the "There are four lights" campaign will clarify for you just how viable this is, in all situations and against not just 4 enemies but also 8 and even 12. Likewise, this will clarify the pilots skillsets in the lategame as well as how you can pull these kind of moves off, even with more basic pilots. You can find it here: ruclips.net/p/PLrGILJcqTblX9uOsLCvQc1VWboH7pVJ75
_"...where I play only lights through an entire career."_ Thanks for proving my first point. This is something that takes an entire campaign to set up. It is not something anyone can do at the drop of a hat. Also, a playlist proves nothing. Those could just be the successful missions you posted. I do not believe for a second that you ran a sixty mission playthrough on vanilla and never once got squad-wiped, or even suffered significant losses, while using lights the entire time. Even if it was true, it just serves to highlight how incompetently-designed the AI is, and how poor a game Battletech is to begin with.
It is something anyone can do if they are willing to learn the skills to do it. If anything, lights can be more dangerous than the heavier weight classes and can clean maps of heavies and assaults faster than other weight classes. I just played a standard game and sold any mechs with higher than light weight class, I didn't do any modding, not even changing the starting mechs. You don't believe I did it because you've not watched any of it. I wish there was something I could say that would change your mind. I have PvP casts on here as well, where lights are also used heavily against "real players" with a high level of success.
@KdogPrime i totally agree with u, this is not a guide and this tactic does not work it all + enemies(AI) dont miss u that much + these lights can get down in one shot, in this video they all miss and u have greats shots. This video is useless
@@silverfox7777 There is over 60 videos and 100 matches of evidence that it works perfectly. But this is the most advanced tactic in my guide set. It's not for everyone, it's for those that have mastered the other skills first and thus get how this too would work. I am happy to do my best to teach the skills if you like, but denying it works is counter productive. It DOES work and I could ask people to come here and also explain that it works. It's just not easy to execute.
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Very nice sir. I hear people complain about lights being useless and how they always just take the biggest heaviest mechs they can. I almost always have a single light in my lance with ace pilot for double-tapping assaults in the back. You took a couple of risks that could have gone poorly. Heavy/Assault melee is the BANE of light mechs. One hit and it can slap the evasion right off your light. But they paid off this time.
No guts no Galaxy, I believe is the saying? :D. I have an entire campaign of me doing crazy stuff like this called "There are four lights". I know your a really busy man, but if you are interested, there is a particularly gripping episode coming up soon called "All out war", a very dicey 4 and 1/2 skull adventure in light mechs. Would you like me to poke you when it releases? :).
@@TheEdmon Sure man. Sounds like a fun time to me. :)
@@TheEdmon where can i find it?
@@millerliberator8073 From my main youtube page (ruclips.net/user/TheEdmon), all the playlists are previous campaigns are there and you can browse through them.
The four lights campaign direct link is here:
ruclips.net/video/AQvFwc3f6BY/видео.html
If your light mechs can outrun the heavies (heavy or assault mechs) and also have mechwarriors with piloting expertise, you can defeat the heavies. Here’s how: you can delay your own mech actions until after the heavies have moved, then move in and rear attack the heavies, then next turn rear attack the heavies AGAIN and then run or jump clear of any surviving heavies before they have their next turn. Then repeat this when ready. This way you will never be at risk of suffering a melee attack from a heavy.
PS, to achieve this, it is important that you have mech builds that enable 2 alpha strikes plus movement (remember, jumping creates more heat than walking) in a row without overheating.
PPS, I reckon light mechs with very fast movement & plenty of jump jets are the safest mechs to try this with. I suspect it would be very risky with light mechs that have slower movement or not many jumpjets (e.g. urbanmechs).
I am impressed good sir. Truly showing what light 'mechs are capable of.
Glad you enjoyed the video :).
Hang on just have to pick up my jaw from the floor. This was amazing! My current playstyle tends to prefer lightweight/mobile jumpy mediums (still in the mid game) and 1 LRM boat so I definitely resonated with this tactic. Although it seems to me it might be easier to pull this off vs heavy/assault than light mechs since they're typically slower and thus won't have as much evasion pips.
"This is not the brightest thing I've ever done" ... moments before needing only two turns to wipe a lance more than double his tonnage.
If you loved this, you should see what I get upto in the "There are four lights" campaign :).
Here we see a pack of angry Chihuahua's hunt down their prey.
I really victimized that assault lance, huh? XD.
@@TheEdmon Even the Draconis Combine would consider this a war crime.
@@Troubleshooter11 I've just been told this has been confirmed by Clan Smoke Jaguar as indeed being war crimes.
Excellent video sir. Thanks for sharing such a excellent strategy.
I'm glad it helped, if you want more examples of lights against everything, have a look at my original "There are four lights" campaign. I go from the early game to 5 skull and everything inbetween... lights only :). Oh and if you need anything, let me know.
@@TheEdmon I subscribed. I used to play tabletop a bit and am trying to get back into Battletech after kickstarter backing it. Very much enjoying the videos on strategy.
The bigger they are, the more salvage that falls.
RT kills are a good way to get rare weapons it seems, since you preserve all the kit in the mech for the most part.
Battle Planning in 3 steps:
Step 1: Analyze battlefield map and enemy composition, select your forces accordingly, draw up movement plans, attack orders, etc.
Step 2: Drop into battle.
Step 3: OMGOMGOMGOMG my AS7 just got headshot by an AC20, FFFFFFFFFFF---!!!! ****all your battle plans drop dead faster than your Atlas hits the ground****
0:10 I know this stratagem as a "pincer maneuver"!
Terminology around military maneuvers can be messy, if you look up "pincer maneuver" on wikipedia for example, it says "also known as a double envelopment".
I choose the main wording as "Interdiction" because we are stopping a moving enemy force, that's coming to us for battle, by running past them, causing a surround and halting them where they are. Plus this is very much an "ambush" style strategy, but with the enemy being aware of the approaching danger (so it's not an actual ambush).
I hope this clarifies why I used the wording I did. This is one of these things where there are a lot of terms that could be correct and I am simply working towards what I think is most correct.
@@TheEdmon I don't know how it was called, but Mongols did something like this when facing European heavies. Their cavalry was light and would be run over in frontal clash. But then, they would quickly get up and turn around and hit heavy cavalry from the back.
I'm not sure "interdiction" is what you describe it as here. Whilst it it can be used to aid in an envelopment, interdiction in its truest sense is to delay, destroy or impede forces or supplies reaching the engagement area, there by degrading combat effectiveness of individual units and limiting the ability for an opponent to mass there forces sufficiently. example, air interdiction missions will target supplies or reinforcements reaching a combat zone and has nothing to do with positioning forces to envelope the opponent - BUT a very good video non the less thank you kind sir :)
In BT here, units come in waves/groups and you want to wipe them out before they link up and become a huge blob. That's what I mean.
Great video. Thanks. How do you react if there's a reinforcement lance? You can't quite flank the enemy because you might get out flanked by the reinforcement.
Murder the first lance down fast, then disengage and re-engage once cooled off. It is exceptionally rare that two lances are literally on top of each other at the same time. So use that light speed and end the first lance quickly.
impressive
Thanks.
Is this strategy stil viable? It seems enemies like punching more than ever with latest changes.
Yep. Just need to practise your positioning so you arent in melee range before you sweep in for the kill.
You using modded Mechs? Also, what skills do you focus on for your pilots?
This is the basegame, there are no mods. The Firestarters have +1 defense gyros, nothing major. I have very little Lostech on the campaign this is from.
The response to this is to push through one of the wings and then attack in enfilade
lol, if you could teach an A.I. to understand battle to this level of complexity you'd be a millionaire :P.
Woot first
Urgh :P.
Give me an Atlas with Arrow IV and AMS and a Stalker as wingman and you will see me blasting your interdiction out of the sky with line astern formation. LOL!!!
First off, you act like this is something anyone can do at any time. You obviously trained a lance of pilots for an entire campaign with exactly the right set of skills to pull this off. At no point in the video did you even hint at that. Secondly, I'd be interested in knowing how consistently you pull this off during a campaign. I have a feeling this sort "win" requires a lot of save scumming, or just dumb luck. Pull this off ten times in a row and I might reconsider. Thirdly, by your own admission, this tactic doesn't work if you are outnumbered, which the majority of the time, you are.
I see a very situational tactic which does nothing to counter the assertion that assault-creep is heavily present in this game. There is still no good reason not to take your biggest lance into every battle. Lights are still mostly useless.
This is something anyone can do at any time. I have my "There are four lights" campaign, where I play only lights through an entire career. From early game to end game, from 1/2 skull missions to 5 skull missions.
I think watching the "There are four lights" campaign will clarify for you just how viable this is, in all situations and against not just 4 enemies but also 8 and even 12.
Likewise, this will clarify the pilots skillsets in the lategame as well as how you can pull these kind of moves off, even with more basic pilots.
You can find it here:
ruclips.net/p/PLrGILJcqTblX9uOsLCvQc1VWboH7pVJ75
_"...where I play only lights through an entire career."_
Thanks for proving my first point. This is something that takes an entire campaign to set up. It is not something anyone can do at the drop of a hat. Also, a playlist proves nothing. Those could just be the successful missions you posted. I do not believe for a second that you ran a sixty mission playthrough on vanilla and never once got squad-wiped, or even suffered significant losses, while using lights the entire time. Even if it was true, it just serves to highlight how incompetently-designed the AI is, and how poor a game Battletech is to begin with.
It is something anyone can do if they are willing to learn the skills to do it. If anything, lights can be more dangerous than the heavier weight classes and can clean maps of heavies and assaults faster than other weight classes.
I just played a standard game and sold any mechs with higher than light weight class, I didn't do any modding, not even changing the starting mechs.
You don't believe I did it because you've not watched any of it. I wish there was something I could say that would change your mind. I have PvP casts on here as well, where lights are also used heavily against "real players" with a high level of success.
@KdogPrime i totally agree with u, this is not a guide and this tactic does not work it all + enemies(AI) dont miss u that much + these lights can get down in one shot, in this video they all miss and u have greats shots. This video is useless
@@silverfox7777 There is over 60 videos and 100 matches of evidence that it works perfectly. But this is the most advanced tactic in my guide set. It's not for everyone, it's for those that have mastered the other skills first and thus get how this too would work.
I am happy to do my best to teach the skills if you like, but denying it works is counter productive. It DOES work and I could ask people to come here and also explain that it works. It's just not easy to execute.