Why do all chainsaw operators do this?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Today we are back down at the wood pile with the Stihl 500i and the Kubota KX057-4 Excavator Bucking up some Locust and Maple Firewood
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I bump or burp the throttle like that to let my neighbors know I'm out cutting and it's time for them to come and help. Never works though. Lol.
I find that is one of the best methods to socially distance....let people know you're working, or even ask somebody to help, and they will get as far away from you as possible.......in a hurry!
Think it’s what you said way back we all had trouble keeping a saw running
Burping the gas inbetween cuts is definitely just a gear head thing for me, I just love the sound of the saw! 2 strokes just sound too good not to crack the throttle when you can! Cool to start following some fellow Western PA folks! Stay safe!
I do mine to clean the wood chips out and oil the chain.
My dad taught me to hit the throttle to clean out the clutch housing and lubricate the chain.
@@frankbever1788 my dad taught me the same thing. Clear the chips and lubricate the chain between cuts.
Cleans the bar and lubricates before the next cut begins...
yup , keeps the bar from getting clogged after a big cut
Yes, all these comments are right,clear the chips, lube the chain....also, is a little safer. I have had times when something is not right with the saw and a quick tap on the throttle gives you the feel and sounds that everything is ok before letting it rip. Sound and feel really important. I also have a habit of hitting the chain brake anytime I put the saw on the ground.
The older carburetor ones would stall out at idle after a bit and also would stall if you put the chain to wood at idle then hit the trigger. I like how you include little things like this to keep audience engagement up. Good thinking.
They don't stall if they are tuned properly and have nothing wrong with them ;).
From my experience, the throttle thing is a habit picked while trying to keep a saw running that won’t idle. My uncle done the same thing and he definitely had saws that didn’t want to take gas!!
That and I think it may be a subconscious thing to keep the chain speed up to re-enter the log.
I got in a habit of doing it when I used manual chain oil saws. A little throttle and hit the pump. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL
I still have a Homelite XL12 with a manual pump. Back in the day, Dad and I always hit the throttle and pumped. If the wood was dry, we’d pump until we saw oil fly off the nose, then get back into the wood. We’d try to hit the pump about every 10 seconds during a cut, but we wanted to make certain sure the chain was oiled in between.
with the older saw's you would give it gas to clean out the loose chips and pump the thumb oilier several times
@@johnsadler8637 yep have an XL 12 of my grandfather's and same reason. She's a loud old girl but I always try and use it once a year to keep her going. Man the vibration and weight brings back memories along with how nice our new ones make it easier.
That XL12 is almost exactly 1.5X my Stihl MS180c, both in horsepower and bar length. It’s a nice complement to the lighter Stihl, and when I broke the chain on the Stihl, I still had a saw with me.
a little shot of oil even with automatic oiler helps chain and reduces stress on clutch.
Its actually a good habit to have. You want the chain spinning when it makes contact with the wood. Dont want to set it on the log and then pull the throttle.
I do it so that the chain is moving as it touches the wood.
That is exactly the reason for me.
Same for me, if you hit the throttle after your chain was laying on the bar there would be a forward jerk of the saw
I do that too I just like to work the high end so you get no bogging down and get your full power withought hurting your saw
The one that gets me is the guy wiggling the saw back and forth.
Drives me up the wall Sir!
Long time operators not just amateurs.
To clear the old saw dust out of the chain is what I do when cutting down trees or cutting up cords of wood ok
I’m a tumbler freak, my wife will kill me, but who can resist a Kubota orange tumbler with your logo on it, I love it
Haha I know what you are saying. My husband is the same way tells me that I don't need anymore tumblers.
I love the locust, but one has to be careful, it'll literally melt a woodstove if theres too much at one time....I throw like 1 good piece in with the other stuff at any one time. As far as the throttle bumping, I think it just keeps things interesting...that's all I can think of.
based on my tests locust is the hottest burningwood that I could find. I tested at least a dozen different kinds of wood in my stove with a thermometer and locust blew them all away
I do it to clear out any wood chips from the sprocket at the end of the bar and inside the chain cover.
I think it’s a subconscious test to see if the saw is still good.
A few reasons to rev the saw. I already see quite a few. 1) habit formed when being taught how to run the saw, 2) Most people/users like to hear and feel the power surge of the saw, 3) When revving the saw, the operator can (with experience) kind of tell if the plug is starting to go bad, or if the air filter is starting to clog, and if you are getting low on fuel and 4) to make sure that you did not accidently hit the bar lock when finishing up the last cut and repositioning yourself for the next cut.
The actual reasons to do this are to ensure that the chain runs freely after the last cut, help blow out any chips in the (chip) exhaust, and oil the bar and chain without the pressure of the item being cut absorbing the oil.
Nice sawing video. Your question: it is like revving a car’s engine before takeoff. My question: did you even consider putting that locust on the Woodmizer? Marcus from Chesapeake VA.
I always taught it was to give the chain a extra shot of oil. Some times I will hold the tip of the saw close to a log and bump the trigger till you see a small amount of oil in the log. That oils the chain and I get a visual indication that the oiler is working. I might be all wrong but that is what I think.
Perfect comment!
I don't know why you do it, but I do it because I have a Stihl MS-171, which is a great saw, but it's not exactly a powerhouse. I've run into a few instances where if the chain is stationary when I put it against a piece of wood and then I hit the throttle, it doesn't pull the chain hard enough and it will bog instead of cutting. I have this problem whether the chain is new or has made a lot of cuts and is starting to get dull. If the chain is already moving when it gets to the wood, it cuts just fine.
My dad has an Echo CS-490 that I occasionally borrow and it absolutely does not need that build-up of chain speed before cutting with it, but I usually still do it, probably because I've built the habit with my MS-171.
Other people may have started with smaller, homeowner saws like the MS-171 and experienced a similar thing, built a habit of doing it, and just keep doing it as they move into bigger saws.
I do it too. Question, do you premeasure 16" for your rounds or is accuracy not all that important? You seem to have a very good eye for guestimating the cut length.
Mike has used several different means to measure his firewood, but I haven't heard him talk about it for quite some time. Mingo marker, accu-cut, tape measure & sidewalk chalk. One thing is for sure, tho. He is a bit OCD about his firewood length.
I’m guilty of it too! I have a modified muffler on my ms290 and I just love the sound of it. It’s also to clean out the chips and oil the chain. When I’m blipping the throttle I like to flail the bar around so nobody comes up beside me when I’m running saw. I have a couple old pioneer saws in my collection that would most likely have a
Oops, Have a manual oiler. A 1958 pioneer 600 and a 1983 pioneer p52
I’m guilty of hitting the throttle between cuts too 😁
Love locust firewood... it's even better than oak. We have a lot of the Honey Locust here, which has the big thorns on it. Burn the sharp tips of the thorns off with a weed burner torch, and then they are no problem to deal with. No better firewood.
As far as burping the saw, you're right, I think we all do it. For me, I think I like to have the chain turning when I hit the log with it. After I finish the cut, just a little burp on the throttle to keep it spinning, and right into the next cut. That's why I do it. It just doesn't feel right to just lay the bar on the log, then squeeze the throttle... that just ain't right!! LOL
It's the sense of power, I this think most men like to feel that power.
Hey Gary, I'm a Tuttle also. Moved from NY to Alabama. Nice to see the name.
Reving the chainsaw: ... I was a carpenter for many years. When I got started at 16 years, most did not have nail guns. Any good framing carpenter would have a rythm by taking a nail from his pouch, bump the hammer on the wood, then bump the nail to start it into the wood. The next swing would drive the nail into the wood, even 16 penny nails. It took practice but even at 16 I could do it after 6 months. So, what I'm saying is that there is a rhythm to working and keeping that rhythm going moves the job along speedily. With safety first in mind. I've had chainsaws that needed adjustment but, when the saw slowed down between cuts they would die. To keep the progress going, reving helped until I adjusted the saw to run properly. Then, yes it can be habit or it might even be a guy thing. Like sitting at a traffic signal in your loud pickup and reving the engine. I've been guilty of all the above however, now that I'm 69, I tend to preserve my energy and the cost of fuel with a more mature resolve about life. Blessings, Morgans...
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Absent all other explainations...It's a Salute!
About 40 years ago I worked for Asplundh tree and we used the old homesite XL, And you had to keep bumping the throttle to keep it running but I still do to this very day with my new stihl saws.I think it just the way I learned to operated a saw,
Now you are showing off by stacking the locust logs, LOL.
I thought the same thing, I also thought “Mikes gonna have to join Melissa at her workouts” ‘cos twiddling a few levers doesn’t quite burn the same calories as stacking logs!
Getting real good with the controls on the Kubota Mike, love the vids, keep ‘em coming.
Black Locust make the best fence posts known to man - last 100 years. For everyone Locust tree cut down, you get seven more for future fence posts. We use to cut them by the hundreds and even sold them to the fairgrounds to fence off the race track. Back before chain saws, we used a cross-cut. As to your chain saw question, it used to be because those old saws would stall if you didn't keep giving them the throttle. Later, I got out of that habit and never let off the trigger till I was done with a log. It's better on the saw, not to keep goosing it. Keep grinning and sawing, Happy Valentine's day to you all.
Now, you got me wondering if I bump the throttle or not. Most of the time I am cutting up logs to make bowls, some 20" diameter or a bit more. I think I do it, but can't remember...Wish we had black cherry out here in Oregon....
If give a quick flip on the throttle between cuts to run the chain a few revolutions through the chain oiler for the next cut. Just my opinion but I think it helps the chain bar and chain last longer. Totally agree with you about getting those logs up off the ground making the chain sharpness last MUCH longer. Oi/lubricationl is CHEAP is insurance. I also let my saws set and idle for a few minutes when I first start them to allow them to warm up & get good lubrication before running them to cut. I run the 2 stroke mix just a bit heavier on oil as well. I've owned my O-66 for almost 28 years and it still runs and starts just like the day I brought it home. Take good care of your equipment and it will last. 👍
😂 Because most of us men like to hear an engine bark, just because. I even did it when I a manual, slowing to a stop in neutral 🤣 I miss having a stickshift.
I miss my stick shift also.. .at least I still have my motorcycle, but it's too cold for me to ride at the moment...
Have been cutting firewood for years and I do the same thing without thinking about it. I believe I used to do it to keep the old saw I had running and to make sure the chain was clear of sawdust.
I’d buy 2 tumblers from you in a heart beat. Love the mugs I got and use them every Saturday and Sunday when watching your videos!
I do that for a couple of reasons. 1 To keep the chain moving between cuts. 2. Some chainsaws would do a little sputter or even stall out if run at idle very long. 3. The operator has gas and did not want anyone to hear it.
When I was a kid, many moons ago, I was taught to bump the throttle before you cut to clean the chain and guard from stuck wood chips. If the chain does not move normally, it means you need to clean the chips out. I really don’t think you need to do that, but I still do it. At least that is why I think I still bump the throttle before I start to cut. Never thought of it until you mentioned it.
That excavator is sure a back saver. Been doing basicly the same with a front end loader for years. A bad back will have you looking for alternative ways to do things. Love the setup ...
Are you eyeballing your wood length or marking it off camera?
He uses chalk.
For me, I would bump the throttle to make sure the carb didn’t flood out or stall as I hit the wood. But not need with that 500I.
I watched Buckin Bills new video yesterday, he finally got a shot at that 500I!
That's a sharp chain and powerful saw.
I do it to bring up the centrifugal clutch up up to speed to get it engaged before I set the teeth in to the wood. This doesn't ware the clutch out as fast. try setting the teeth in then pull trigger and see how much clutch slippage happen as it starts to saw as compared to if you have it spinning then hit wood. No clutch slip then it just rips right in.
It's either stall or keeping it from hang up the chain. I do it too. My father, my uncles, all did it. Family tradition here in the south.
For me, bumping the throttle is habit from crappy carburetors. Keeping them from choking out and give a chance to get to rev, due to slow response, to not bog down in cut.
We do the throttle so as to not stall the chain . Not that I ever had a saw that would not just hog wood.
Those tumblers keep hot things hot and cold cold .very nice .😊👍
Good morning from Elliot Lake Ontario Canada! -20C. A bit cool.
Good morning Bill , it's about as chilly over here in Montreal ;-) stay warm !
As soon as you posted that question, I guessed what it was - as I’m sure did most other subscribers who regularly use chainsaws! I do it for two purposes - one to clear the chips from the sprocket and housing from the prior cut, and second, to ensure the chain is rolling and has some momentum before I contact the log and hit the throttle for the next cut. Like most others, I don’t even think about it - it’s automatic!
Morning Morgan's & friends. Happy Friday
I do the same thing with the saw but it's just to make sure it clear the saw dust out of the chain guard and to make sure the bar groove is still getting oil.
I feel like it clears the chain of the leftover debris from the previous cut, plus it sounds good!
Love the tumbler in Kubota orange, I’d buy one
I'm thinking that tumbler was a LOT closer to Stihl orange than Kubota orange. That 500i will probably disappear in the next couple of weeks, now. lol...
In the older carburetor models a bump in throttle after a full throttle run helped the engine settle back down at idle to allow you to move to the next cut without stalling- this technique is used across the board in high revving engines. At full throttle it’s pulling fuel In to the carb as fast as it can, when you let off it still has a bit of fuel to burn off without that throttle bump it could/would dump fuel in effectively flooding the engine causing a stall- your stihl 500i should not need that help! 😂- love the channel!
Mike that's what Daddy did l just did what he did when I was learning . That was 60 years ago.? I still bump it .
Nice Mike. Now I have a complex about how I operate my saw.
Good morning Morgans! Have a day off today, and heading out to work on a couple of projects before the next snow comes tomorrow, Saturday!
Mike:. I continue to be amazed at little habits I've developed over the years that I'm totally unaware of until someone else points them out. I never noticed that habit you mentioned with the chainsaw. But I do the same thing. Have no idea!😕
It's possible to get saw dust and debris in between chain and bar. This build up can jamb so the chain will lock up. I burp the throttle between cuts to remove debris, throw some oil around the chain and make sure there is no jamb.
I lay the last chunk that can't be cut without hitting the bucket on top of some of the cut pieces to finish off. Thinking of getting a narrower bucket or building a claw bucket so I can cut the whole piece without hitting the bucket . As far as the reving I just like to hear it run and it clears chips out of the bar.
For me, bumping the throttle helps clean out debris and gives the bar oil a chance to flow. You can also check that the bar oil is still flowing freely ...
Same habit with the throttle. 😆 Love your firewood setup. I got a load of IBC totes a few weeks ago and been using the cages for stacking my firewood in. They work perfectly in my woodshed at the cabin. Use set of 3 point pallet forks on my old Ford tractors to move them and keep the wood shed outside the cabin door full.. I use the tanks cut in half to make self wicking raised garden beds.. They work great too.
PS - Hey, definitely interested in the OWTM tall orange or camo Tumblers. Keep us posted!
Another reason we blurp the throttle is for balance through the physics of gyroscopic control. Is it easier to balance on a bicycle at rest or moving?? Professional chainsaw carving uses gyroscopic principles for accuracy. If you have ever used a demo saw, you know the gyro feeling.
Keeping the saw running like the others have said, and habit. I do the same thing. In the firewood category, Locust is the best heating wood we have here in Virginia, various Oaks are next. My Grandpa said the American Chestnut was the best wood there was, burned good, straight grain for lumber, and rot resistant for fence posts. But we don't have it anymore.
I might take a swing at tumbler, depends on the price. Someof the yeti stuff is pricey. Have a great weekend.
I was taught To rive up the saw to blow out any saw dust and to oil the chain my older show me that when I was 12-13 some 45 years ago.
hi there chainsaw question Make sure the chain is running free of sawdust . pre oil the chain and bar . like to hear engines rev vroom ,vroom habit then instinct john
Mike, I know you’ve mentioned it but that excavator is a huge back saver. Being able to hold the log at whatever height is most comfortable would be fantastic. At 6’7”, my back always quits long before my arms are tired. Great video!
By blipping the chainsaw before each cut, clears any chips and helps to re-lube the chainsa. I believe I heard Buckin say this sometime ago also.
I used to have a couple of old McCullochs that seemed to need this extra bump . As I recall they used to stall easily if you didn't let the saw know you were about to open up the throttle. The McCullochs are long gone and I now have a couple of Stihls - no need to do it now, but it just seems like the polite thing to do for your saw.
Mike the Excavator makes wood cutting a little more Fun!!👍👊
i've thought the same thing. i think i learned this from way back that you needed to rev it to keep the rpm's up so they wont stall. back then, all of my engine tools were crap. nothing idled. they would stall, flood and then not restart. burp the throttle to keep them running. same thing with my first cars. LOL:
Mike, the same reason a man picks up a set of grill tongs and "ting tings" the things before he picks up meat. Because he can! In all seriousness, you've probably leaned into a log and had a saw stall out at some point, probably more than once and as a result do a quick check before starting the cut.
I think there is going to be a little more wood in that pile of logs then you may think . Nice your put them to go use , here in Canada most farmers with wood lots push the trees into big piles an just burn them , so much waste . Kudos to you . 👍👍👍🇨🇦
Been cutting timber for 45 years in the PNW. Always rap the saw between cuts. Helps clear chips and oil the chain. Different types of wood affect it differently. Cedar saps the oil off the chain and the chain will tighten up. Run it looser and rap the saw occasionally. Also, you need to have the chain moving before you contact the log. If you lay the bar on the log, then hit the throttle, you're going to wear the clutch out perty fast.
That KX80 certainly reduces a lot of wear and tare on your body. Very nice moving those rounds near the splitter!
Hey Mike, I have a tractor question. On the loader arms of your tractor there is a small round rod attached to the rails it is bent in the shape of the lift arms. I saw it last on video #1016, it is on your right visible as you set the basket down. What is the purpose of that rod?
Bucket level indicator
Yep. Used to have to do that to keep it running. Get a good one and you don’t need to do it, but you get accustomed to that and just keep doing it.
curious would you get any saw logs out of that load? would have like to see what the locus looked like in boards
My dad taught me to do it when I was a young boy to make sure the oiler was working. He had a saw that was terrible about oiling. I guess I have kept that habit and it would throw a little oil on the bar without it being in the wood. I don't know if this helps at all but I still do it lol
I do the same thing with my saws, did the same on the Harley and dirt bikes. Just like the sound of power!
Mike, its a "keep 'er runnin'" move. I've used crappy saws over the years. Let 'em idle, they die. So I'm in the habit of tickling the throttle even on on good equipment. I do the same on my weed eater. One of these days I'm going to switch my gas power over to Stihl. But for now I'm going to get my Grandpa's Echo that I used as a teenager rebuilt. I found it, cranked it, and it started. But wouldn't stay running. So I'll get 'er professionally fixed. And then I'll see if I still "tickle" the throttle. Love your videos!
Mike, if you're gonna keep getting logs brought in to chop into firewood, I suggest looking into a Wallenstein Firewood Processor. Really increase your efficiency with the conveyor and bagging system. A lot less handling of the wood. Just an idea. Cheers from Canada!
Ha Mike, now that you mention that🤔 I bump the throttle too. I think your right about the older saws keeping them running was the reason. Old habits are hard to break. I'm not sure if you want to mention and or demo this to your viewers but, I have been steered to using ½ skip and a full skip chains on my SM 660 saw. Has made a drastic improvement on cutting speed and half the amount of teeth to sharpen. Most loggers don't talk to people about this due to the horsepower requirements to drive the chain and kick back is increased while using these chains.
My guess is that if you put the non-running chain on the log when you hit the throttle it will pull the chainsaw forward. A running chain starts cutting as soon as it touches.
Mike you need a Shute to feed the splitter now . Sit the bucked logs onto Shute with machine them let them feed down to splitter as ya need them . Could go super fancy and make it sit flat so logs fall onto it while your bucking them , then hydraulic raise up like the conveyer off the log splitter does .. less manual handling ..
I do it to make sure the chain gets some oil on it before i tear into the log.
Probably already said but reving the saw up helps keep the chain stay moving before digging into the log and not bogging down.
Consider building a log deck and sacrificial cutting bench on the end. It would eliminate picking rounds up off the ground.
Back when there were hand pumps for bar oil, I would bump the throttle a couple times while I pumped some oil to the bar before I started the cut.
I do it to clear chips out of saw, plus I don't have a 500I, so I'm burping it to get rpms up. That 500I is sweet! Will have one someday.
Check throttle response, if you're low on fuel, make sure engine is warm, clear chips out of chain cover - lots of reasons a throttle blip can make sense.
Good morning Mike, you answered your question like I was thinking. Years ago the chainsaws were sometimes hard to keep running (wouldn’t idle right) and it was natural to bump the throttle to keep them running. Crazy but it worked for me too. Thanks for sharing with your video today, lots of good wood to be split. Stay safe around there and keep enjoying yourself. Fred.👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👋👋
I am 83 years and started in the woods with my dad and a two man cross cut saw.As I remember the first chain saw we got was also a two man saw with handle bar grips on both sides. The chains,bars and especially the oilers were less than could be desired. If I remember right we always goosed it to oil the chain while it was not under pressure so we could get better oiling. I still do it just out of habit besides that is what we do. RIGHT.
About reving the chainsaw between cuts?... It just sounds good. Sounds manly, powerful. Like revving your car engine before you pop the clutch and squeal-off like you did when you were in HS. That’s the best I can answer.
I do it because I want the chain getting up to speed BEFORE beginning the cut. Also I think it gives the bar/chain a shot of oil.
Was that a wooden snowman?
After a cut I rev my saw a little. It throws out any wood in chain and helps lubricate the blade.
I'd be interested in a tumbler even though my tractor isn't Orange. Other colors might be a good idea.
Love the tumbler! Kubota orange looks good.
Having cut wood for over 50 years mike, I also believe its because our saws didnt run or idle as good as they do these days...It has become a hard to beat habit.
I do that diving my stick shift jeep. Just a little throttle bump when shifting. I like the noise
You should rev up the saw before letting the chain contact the log so the clutch is well engaged , by avoiding clutch slippage you avoid getting excessive heat into the clutch drum and bearing. High clutch temperatures or excessive chain tension will cause bearing failure.
Bucking billy says he does it to clear the chips. All newer saws usually don’t stall anymore but I do the same thing. It just works.