I am not a South African. I.do follow a lot of court cases including the ones taking place in my country, But, i have never seen a judge who is too much one sided like this one. Yoh😢
Masataforika a mantle you did well ka chidima's case so is senzo's,we cant be complaining 24/7 ka this 78 yr old colluder but not acting🗣📢🔊🆙️irang seng TSWEETSWEE🙏🏿✝️🫶🏿🤝🏿🫱🏻🫲🏿
This black judge is an embarrassment to all black judges. Everybody who watches this case can see the judge is partial, how can we keep quiet about it? The whole country is fighting against corruption and here we are EXPOSED to a corrupt court case.
The judge is irritated because the defence is trying hard to deny that the fire arm belong to one of the accused.Mcube used the same gun to kill an innocent man In Alexandra
@@anniemanda-qh2sjthey know exactly what he said…..they try by all means to change evidence. The forensic expert said the DNA results exclude all the suspects from the crime scene but the judge chose not to listen…..
Its just lies, lies and more LIES. This court case makes me embarrassed to be a South African... Especially when you have friends and colleagues overseas following this case.
@@MargarethMokone-jz4hqu a right, remember the hat as well DNA confirmed two people male and female excluding all accused. I have said it clearly that the hat belongs to Kelly and Senzo wears it as well. Those results Baloyi hide them.
Wa tseba Mnisi can be so silly😂😂😂😂😂😂. I really like how he deliberately just invents words - "hearable" - instead of just using the correct word - "audible" to ruffle Ratha's feathers! I like his condescending nature😂😂😂😂😂.
This court has made massive progress on this case and shity news paper written by domkops shouldn’t abuse its public stage capacity to make this court feel otherwise .We have unnecessary delays but the court has done well in handling those
In America movies, esp the gangster movies - this called the coding, it’s a communication system no one knows except the person who receives the message.
All the states witnesses have VERY bad memories, that conveniently comes back after any break in court. What bad lair's they are. I hope all of their children are watching their parent give evidence and see them lying.
Ronald Lamola did nothing to intervene as the minister of justice, judge president zondo kept quite 😢 Ratha is having a field day with the defense, super biased..
So in other words Rata,he does not do one exhibit and compare and write the findings,what are you fighting about Rata,Mnisi is on point,but u already made ur jugdement 😢
Wouldn't an expert fire an odd number of bullets such as 5, 7, 9 etc so as to arrive at a sensible conclussion? What was he going to do if 4 came back negative and 4 positive? Uyanya lo!
Some people not understand whats going on here.why Ramosipidi keeps on consulting to the accused person if they are not perpetrators. Because he must understand how they was perpetrating
Becoz the accused are not stupid like u first. Second Ntanzi called him to tell him not to forget to press Mangena about his statement that he was with Gininda wen he took his measurements. Unless u see things that we dont see😂😂😂
Defence must ask for calibration certificates of the analytical equipment's used and the quality control standards which have dates. If the analytical equipment's have not being calibrated for a year, analytically the results are not accurate and precise.
It seems as if the defense are like students who came to learn from Mangena with their expert also acting like an intelligent student who like to ask questions.
Mangena is a fraud. He thought its the Oscar case where Oscar was not disputing anything but only said i thought its an intruder😂😂😂😂. Fraud this mangena. Liar plus
Bt he is answering exceptional well. The questioning of the defense is not well convincing.the only question is do the bullet found at the crime scene matches those fired from the same fire arm.if yes then well done to Mangena. To say the bullets were planted or not is for Gininda to answer
Analytical equipment must have valid service certificate, daily calibration records, quality Qc chats. Then we will have confidents in the results but if the no records in above, we loss confidents in the results. Incase parties are disputing the results from the laboratory, the third party laboratory will come on board to reanalyze the samples in question and their results are final.
The Judge once said Baloi is running a trial of him being killed this Judge is not stupid he looks like he is in favor of state but I believe at the end he will surprise us about the right Judgement I mean all of us we can see the 5accused are innocent in this case even the judge can see that but he is acting as if
😂😂😂 mangena thought this will be like the Pretorius case. There evidence was not disputed and no cooking was done becoz the perpetrator said yes i shot but it was a mistake😂😂😂. Gininda played him
Everything was clear there even Pristorious handed himself and explained the rest. I dont see how and why Mangena was made a hero for obvious case where Pristorious pleaded guilty of shooting his girlfriend
This judge is the most publicly biased judge I have seen presiding over the criminal trial. So publicly and shamelessly he does show his bias against the accused persons
@@juniormaila6712 so you are just comment because South Africa is free😂😂 no wonder why people support accused people. it is evidence that 5 accused has are case to answer
These guys are guilty as framed. The judge is biased and makes unwelcoming comments. What is kicking a dead horse and a dead donkey? That means the case is done, these guys are guilty, so stop wasting time by kicking a dead horse and donkey.
Mngomezulu’s why do you say Longwe Twala shot himself accidentally when we all saw him on Tv with Zandile. The man was walking normal with no sign of injuries If you had said Tumelo I would have believed you because he was on crushes.
Mangena's findings defile and despise science.the principles of Forensic Science and Concepts of identification. His findings are not based on objectivism.
This court has made massive progress on this case and shity news paper written by domkops shouldn’t abuse its public stage capacity to make this court feel otherwise .We have unnecessary delays but the court has done well in handling those ..legal processes are kinda crazy though.why this experts don’t just debate and ask each other questions directly ?in front on the court 🤷🏾♂️😂😂
the problem is the judge now, he likes interfering on the defense lawyers which is always his case, when the state nd defense even the witnesses, he always wanna interfere which makes it 3 against 1, the it bcomes boring , the judge hs to b neutral, he does nt hv to side wth the state nor defense
Rams made a valiant attempt to diminish the objectivity of microscopic forensic ballistic analysis, but ultimately did not succeed. However, in the final 10 minutes of his cross-examination, he succumbed to the temptation of using deceitful tactics, undermining what had otherwise been a strong performance.
It's very unprofessional for a judge to be tapping a pen like that .Ratha is a joke masende asegugile.his problem is kayisavuki shame. So he is taking his frustration out of those defence guys who ate younger and energetic and still enjoying anagolo shame.yena kasalazi 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I am not a South African. I.do follow a lot of court cases including the ones taking place in my country, But, i have never seen a judge who is too much one sided like this one. Yoh😢
@@ndapewahalweendo2770 have u heard him the way he laughes wen defence is cross examining
I'm glad to hear that he is so biased I somehow believe he is somehow involved
He is not biased bt its only that at times it's hard for this defense lawyers to understand a simple thing.
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BROWN ENVELOPE
Masataforika a mantle you did well ka chidima's case so is senzo's,we cant be complaining 24/7 ka this 78 yr old colluder but not acting🗣📢🔊🆙️irang seng TSWEETSWEE🙏🏿✝️🫶🏿🤝🏿🫱🏻🫲🏿
This black judge is an embarrassment to all black judges. Everybody who watches this case can see the judge is partial, how can we keep quiet about it? The whole country is fighting against corruption and here we are EXPOSED to a corrupt court case.
The judge is irritated because the defence is trying hard to deny that the fire arm belong to one of the accused.Mcube used the same gun to kill an innocent man In Alexandra
Well said
Really
Ja ppl see things in different ways I think this judge is a very intelligent man
Don't you think this judge already made up his mind. I can tell those guys will rot in jail for maybe something they did not do
😂😂😂 its really funny how this judge treated the defense and yet his superiors are nowhere to be found, justice system is rigged
Did you see how the judge dismissed the issue of Gininda being at Pretoria court...its so sad we all heard wat mangena said yesterday
No, Mr Ramosepele fails to stand against the judge, he fails dismally
@@thabanimthethwa430 it's so sad deep down he and baloyi knows what mangena said yesterday
@@anniemanda-qh2sjthey know exactly what he said…..they try by all means to change evidence. The forensic expert said the DNA results exclude all the suspects from the crime scene but the judge chose not to listen…..
@@thabanimthethwa430 yes and it's very difficult to for the lawyers to defend... because the judge is always jumping yooooooo so annoying
Its just lies, lies and more LIES. This court case makes me embarrassed to be a South African... Especially when you have friends and colleagues overseas following this case.
the lack of accountability and control from our police officials , justice system and all related bodies is costing the country and its citizens
Now i began to understand why the spaza house was cleaned. Senzo was not the only one bleed.
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂Too Many Bloody Bleedings😂😂😂😂
Possibly they took blood samples and found different DNA hence he went to check the accused if there were bullet wounds on their feet.
@@MargarethMokone-jz4hqu a right, remember the hat as well DNA confirmed two people male and female excluding all accused. I have said it clearly that the hat belongs to Kelly and Senzo wears it as well. Those results Baloyi hide them.
Wa tseba Mnisi can be so silly😂😂😂😂😂😂. I really like how he deliberately just invents words - "hearable" - instead of just using the correct word - "audible" to ruffle Ratha's feathers! I like his condescending nature😂😂😂😂😂.
Most people does not understand the work of a Judge
Pls explain
Please explain
Collaborate
Explain to us expect of RUclips
It seems like the judge himself does not know his duties.
This court has made massive progress on this case and shity news paper written by domkops shouldn’t abuse its public stage capacity to make this court feel otherwise .We have unnecessary delays but the court has done well in handling those
That tapping of the pen has a meaning. It is a communication system to the witnesses.
In America movies, esp the gangster movies - this called the coding, it’s a communication system no one knows except the person who receives the message.
Guys framing other people is hard😂😂😂. Especially wen scientific evidence is involved 🤞🤞🤞
The prosecution is cruising.. The Mayiwa killers will be exposed
All the states witnesses have VERY bad memories, that conveniently comes back after any break in court. What bad lair's they are. I hope all of their children are watching their parent give evidence and see them lying.
Ginida calls during the break 😂 n advise
@@juniormaila6712 ANYTHING is possible with these clowns. But I think the defence has got them by the nuts now.
Ronald Lamola did nothing to intervene as the minister of justice, judge president zondo kept quite 😢 Ratha is having a field day with the defense, super biased..
Anyway state lost it with not calling the ppl in spaza we all know that
They called the entire South Africa but the people that were in the house
So in other words Rata,he does not do one exhibit and compare and write the findings,what are you fighting about Rata,Mnisi is on point,but u already made ur jugdement 😢
Wouldn't an expert fire an odd number of bullets such as 5, 7, 9 etc so as to arrive at a sensible conclussion? What was he going to do if 4 came back negative and 4 positive? Uyanya lo!
To those who still believe we have the right suspects in the court, please go to 1:55:45 and come back so we can talk
To to to to.......... Protect your exhibit to to yoooh he can't even explain
To manipulate to to to to to
😂😂😂😂
@@siyamsiyana5396 😂😂😂the truth will come out "to to to"
You are soo selective & that will make you to continue being confused and not understanding at all..
now they are forced to push, we are heading somewhere with this murder trial
This judge is not fair why can't leave this to the state and defense oooh senior may his soul rest in peace
Some people not understand whats going on here.why Ramosipidi keeps on consulting to the accused person if they are not perpetrators. Because he must understand how they was perpetrating
Becoz the accused are not stupid like u first. Second Ntanzi called him to tell him not to forget to press Mangena about his statement that he was with Gininda wen he took his measurements. Unless u see things that we dont see😂😂😂
@NgwendeNgwende-cm2😅😅😅😅😅😅ps
It's the judge referring to defence questions as kicking a dead horse and a dead donkey for me. Kodwa kulungile.
Rata is a joke for the world
it means judgement is ready but we won't rest until Longwe and Rata are behind bars
Phezu kwakhe Adv Mnisi
Phezu kwabo Mangena..The gun belongs to one of them
@@RoyaltiesSouthAfrica-dm8mz😂😂😂😂😂😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@andilefunda6186
@@RoyaltiesSouthAfrica-dm8mz ubheda sexy wena maan 😂😂😂😂
Defence must ask for calibration certificates of the analytical equipment's used and the quality control standards which have dates. If the analytical equipment's have not being calibrated for a year, analytically the results are not accurate and precise.
Ratha Mr State Witness.
This pensioners think they clever not thinking of kids they gonna leave behind
So you fired with a 9mm bullet and can't tell the type of bullet from the fragment. Woooow.
Ratha is a problem in this CASE
4:49:16 Ratha is not even listening to Mnisi. He's busy playing marimba because he already knows the outcome of this case.
He is playing Marimba, you’re funny 🤣
@@thandicindi6413🤣 even the interpreter was crying for help because the music was disturbing him. He indirectly shaded Ratha.
I hate this old cow
We getting there now....
Do you think so?
Cant you see all ministers is in cases dead horse for u and anc. Cele is already out papbek
It seems as if the defense are like students who came to learn from Mangena with their expert also acting like an intelligent student who like to ask questions.
Mangena is a fraud. He thought its the Oscar case where Oscar was not disputing anything but only said i thought its an intruder😂😂😂😂. Fraud this mangena. Liar plus
Bt he is answering exceptional well. The questioning of the defense is not well convincing.the only question is do the bullet found at the crime scene matches those fired from the same fire arm.if yes then well done to Mangena. To say the bullets were planted or not is for Gininda to answer
Inganekwane leh Yale expert
Athi yebo kunjalo nice voice tolika❤
Mnisi seems more focused on swaying public opinion rather than convincing the judge. I’m unsure how this showboating benefits his client.
Iya Ratha and Baloyi....have made these defense advocates stronger and stronger 💪 and now there are their worst nightmares 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm guessing the JSC should have long intervened if there was a need, if defense feel cheated they'll appeal anyway
This case is a scam
Analytical equipment must have valid service certificate, daily calibration records, quality Qc chats. Then we will have confidents in the results but if the no records in above, we loss confidents in the results.
Incase parties are disputing the results from the laboratory, the third party laboratory will come on board to reanalyze the samples in question and their results are final.
“Daily calibration” 🤔,you meant daily verification neh?
The other bullet beyond test could have been from a Revolver, and the other found the following day, allegedly planted from pistol
The Judge once said Baloi is running a trial of him being killed this Judge is not stupid he looks like he is in favor of state but I believe at the end he will surprise us about the right Judgement I mean all of us we can see the 5accused are innocent in this case even the judge can see that but he is acting as if
😂😂😂 dreaming
I used to think the same thing too. But lately I'm doubting myself. But there's still that lingering thought.
We pay to view the videos with no voice for couple minutes. Why?
We all make mistakes
1st of all where did they get the weapon that was tested on ballistics?
Is the they caught one of the suspect on his position. Is thats why when they tested they found that should be the one killed senzo
It was allergly found on accused 3 if I am not mistaken
Ratha ke ballastic expect now 😅😅😅
He is an expert in everything and has experience of every state witness.
He said he read 5 books overnight on ballistics😂
This old man no no, something wrong here.
The witness says "angsebenzi kanjalo"😂
Interpreter😢
This mangena repeated questions wants to think what he said
Remember we all taught by amakhiwa these things.You cant challenge them.Tgst Mzungu is gonna put Rata and Baloyi i. The grave. WHERE'S SKOMOTA SIBANDA
Skomota Sibanda😂😂😂😂
What is the probability of mixing up the bullets. He is lying
If rata tap with his pen we know his state is loosing
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So the judge realized mangena is under pressure he adjourned bfr adjournment time 13h00😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@juniormaila6712 true
Mr Ngcobo the interpreter 😂
Ave enhlanhlatha
Lol😂😂😂😂😂 uthi ncimishi is he real mzulu
Bathong when your pension money is finished 😅 this is how you will behave for some extra moola to keep your going until your last days 😂😂😂
Lols I’m dead lols
Lol😂😂😂u made my day
Haymaan 😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Mr Interpretor ngidubule sellier no bellot 😂😂😂😂😂😂 am finished 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mnisi naye ngamafinyela wenzani sies. Mr. Pinky.
You are dull
Mxm..u are dump
Ratha is the ref being bought by another team...spoiling a beautiful game 😢😢😢😢
😂😂😂 mangena thought this will be like the Pretorius case. There evidence was not disputed and no cooking was done becoz the perpetrator said yes i shot but it was a mistake😂😂😂. Gininda played him
Everything was clear there even Pristorious handed himself and explained the rest. I dont see how and why Mangena was made a hero for obvious case where Pristorious pleaded guilty of shooting his girlfriend
@@nonhlanhlacele8516unfortunately we black people applaud nonsense 😂😂😂
I have been saying for a long time that Oscar said "I did it and it was a mistake". Mangena didn't assist a lot in Oscar's case.
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This judge is the most publicly biased judge I have seen presiding over the criminal trial. So publicly and shamelessly he does show his bias against the accused persons
Please Mkhulu Ratha awuthule yoo
Stupid judge with 50 years of experience...my in take is that uve been a junior judge till today
Mr pricision
Let’s stop interfering with the court processes and give our judiciary, the prosecution and defence a chance to work without your childish comments..
True, because everyone is turning into law experts now.
Amen!!!
This is free country freedom of speech if u hv nothing to say you keep quiet is not an offense to do so
@@juniormaila6712 so you are just comment because South Africa is free😂😂 no wonder why people support accused people. it is evidence that 5 accused has are case to answer
Mr mangena is well qualified to be there they must ask Bary roux he knows him very well
The tapping of the pen is a tip
That tapping means rata is nervous bcz jp watching
When the five accused are acquitted the state will never find who short senzo. They will just close the case. The Judge is the problem here.
This judge is more than a problem he cannot even hide it
These guys are guilty as framed. The judge is biased and makes unwelcoming comments. What is kicking a dead horse and a dead donkey? That means the case is done, these guys are guilty, so stop wasting time by kicking a dead horse and donkey.
This judge is intelligent more than anyone else in this court
Miscarriage of justice here
Mngomezulu’s why do you say Longwe Twala shot himself accidentally when we all saw him on Tv with Zandile.
The man was walking normal with no sign of injuries If you had said Tumelo I would have believed you because he was on crushes.
Zandi also walked fast and normally after being hit by bullet fragment.
@@nonhlanhlacele8516😂😂
My friend in sosha was shot on leg he's walking normally
@@nonhlanhlacele8516but Mngo said the bullet was in Longwes ankel, how can you walk around with a bullet and don't limp
@@slindileluthuli3905ask again don't think they hear you 😂😂😂
Mangena's findings defile and despise science.the principles of Forensic Science and Concepts of identification. His findings are not based on objectivism.
Uzakhothama Rata masende akho
This judge is a joke😢
Did Mangena say "we manipulate "😂😂😂
😂 he nearly said wen u r more experience u will knw how to manipulation the evidence 😂😂😂 he nearly said that
@@juniormaila6712 😀😀😀 yhoo a whole expect
I thought I'm the only one who had that
And he didn't finish the word 😅
tolika is so lost uzwa CFJ FMJ kuyabheda
Mangena is in the grave now
Tolika urabish
Rata rodding msunu wakho uzekwa nguBaloyi
Ratha is so rude, what's with the kicking of the horse and donkey comparison, and law society is just quiet
Rata why are you getting angry when relevant questions asked? Relax chief inde Le ndlela
This court has made massive progress on this case and shity news paper written by domkops shouldn’t abuse its public stage capacity to make this court feel otherwise .We have unnecessary delays but the court has done well in handling those ..legal processes are kinda crazy though.why this experts don’t just debate and ask each other questions directly ?in front on the court 🤷🏾♂️😂😂
What is wrong with this old man. So boooring yoo
the problem is the judge now, he likes interfering on the defense lawyers which is always his case, when the state nd defense even the witnesses, he always wanna interfere which makes it 3 against 1, the it bcomes boring , the judge hs to b neutral, he does nt hv to side wth the state nor defense
We must first look at the behaviour of Advocate Baloyi vs Mngomezulu.
Mgomezulu is reckless and unprofessional while Mr Baloyi is calm and cool
Unfortunately for this judge it's not like that his already got his decesion in this case 🤞
@@RoyaltiesSouthAfrica-dm8mz😂😂😂😂😂😂 joking neh
Rams made a valiant attempt to diminish the objectivity of microscopic forensic ballistic analysis, but ultimately did not succeed. However, in the final 10 minutes of his cross-examination, he succumbed to the temptation of using deceitful tactics, undermining what had otherwise been a strong performance.
Msunu wakho Mangena,Baloyi lo Ratha lesende elisesiswini
Mothako ga batle go a raba
This judge is a nonsense guys.he jumps to answer for the witnesses.mxxxxm
😢 I could not believe when he see mangena that he can't match FMJ from rulofse to his FMJ he adjourn b4 13h00. This is sad to watch
Exactly
Judge Ngazi konke🙄
Yhoo yhoo joo 😮, what is wrong with this judge, the old man expose himself on which side he is in , my mi my 🤭🙆
Plz lock mangena up he do his own findings
It's very unprofessional for a judge to be tapping a pen like that .Ratha is a joke masende asegugile.his problem is kayisavuki shame. So he is taking his frustration out of those defence guys who ate younger and energetic and still enjoying anagolo shame.yena kasalazi 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Uzalwa yisdakwa nomahosha wena uzwakala ngodoti lo owuphalaza enkundleni engaka no nhlonopho enhloko yakho.
Rata is another ramaphozas
Mangena was at crime scene but no evidence only planted bullit llke ramaphozas palapala
According to statement which was read on record yesterday mangena took the bullets he's the one made evidence dissappear
I hate it when this old rug proves acts clever than the whole world 🙄
Indeed he is ridiculous