I have an in-ground 575 gal cistern for a low producing well. 1 HP pump in a 500 ft well. 1 HP pump in the cistern. Have a three bedroom , two bath home. Had twenty-three people here for my daughter’s birthday party. It kept up with all of our needs. Nice
No. I had the cistern buried below the frost line between the well and the house. Both the well and the cistern have their own pump. The system works very well!
We use the same brand of tanks for general use, but for increasing storage a tank with a full bladder set soft (10-15 psi air) will add about twice as much storage per tank a diaphragm tank of a similar size.
Nice presentation! I really like the way you explain. Selfishly speaking, I just wish this was something you had presented last year - as you would have saved me a lot of money. Others will profit from your information here and please continue to do your videos.
It is pretty good explanation. I have govenment supplied water line and it is low pressure due to the location of the meter being away too too far. This days dropping a water line infront of your house is expensive more that 10K. The old galvinazed pipe has been reduced in diameter, Storage is one of the option I got. Is this will work for washington state if the tank is outside?
I love the way you explain it, I have a cuestión on my under water tank for some reason the water in the surface is brownish and glue-is and we hired a company to power washer the under water cistern ,for couple months the water was clean y now we have the same issue, any idea what can they be? Someone said to use clear silicone and putting outside under the cistern ? We don’t know what to do !
thanks so much for clarifying my question.Have a other question.Can you tie into your existing submersible well pump to go into a other building, so you don't have to drill for a new well, and if yes how would you set it up. Thanks so much
I love the idea of using of a submergible pump. All the ones I've seen the submergible well pumps are mounted on blocks to absorb the motor starting torque laying on the bottom of the tank with some kind of hose or flex piping running to the surface. Have you seen or installed or would you recommend this type of pump hanging vertically from the discharge piping or hose in water storage tank? Thank you, Bert
What kind of submersible pump are you referring to in application 1? I am trying to dig a shallow well and pump into a 1000 gallon underground cistern. I need a pump that will support my irrigation system. Larger zone is 5 heads with rainbird maxipaw's and blue inserts installed. Thanks and great video.
Thanks for the informative video. At a recovery rate of .31 gpm, we are struggling to have enough water for just the 2 of us. I had asked about using a larger pressure tank but the contractor who installed our submersible pump and UV filtration system said that wouldn't be a viable solution and recommended going with an inground 1000 or 1500 gallon storage tank, secondary submersible pump and pump saver. I was thinking more like a 80 - 120 gallon indoor vertical storage tank that will fit through our utility room doorway with a submersible pump and secondary pressure tank?
How would the reserve tank be automatically filled once the water level dropped. We are trying to not have to stand there monitoring our 1500 gallon storage tank when the water becomes drained from irrigation. Must be a way to monitor that water level automatically so as to turn our well pump on and replenish this tank, then turn off once well fills?
I’m thinking of adding a storage tank, which could be higher than our house for gravity flow, so we can have water when the power goes out. The well and equipment are about 200 feet from the house which is about 10feet higher. We’re on about 5 acres with a hillside in the back of the house where I could install a tank. What are your thoughts on this?
Curious if there is any type of alarm or alert that can be configured if the well pump fails. I’m looking to add storage capacity in the event my well pump goes out or some other failure. I’m sitting here now with no water because my well pump failed (second time in 2 years). It would have been nice to know the pump failed before using all the water in the pressure tank. If I add an intermediate tank for storage and could be alerted to a problem I would at least be able to conserve water while waiting on repairs.
Hi! Thank you for the video. I have a low producing deep well. I added a 300 gallon poly tank and a pump in my basement. I also added a timer switch on the main well that turns the well on once per hour to fill the tank. The problem with this mechanical timer is that it has tabs to add to increase the run time of the deep well pump. One tab is not enough water to keep the tank full. 2 tabs empties the well too quickly. I did reduce the flow from the deep well by partially closing a valve but it really is guess work. The mechanical timer is also not reliable. Sometimes it gets stuck and everything just stops. I did lubricate the gears inside it. It ran for a couple months but stopped again recently. Tap the case and it starts ticking again. This is frustrating and it needs to be replaced. I am confident that the deep well can provide enough water to meet our needs if we could regulate the deep well pump more accurately. I wan to replace this mechanical timer. I am hoping that you have a solution where I could pump an exact amount of water into the holding tank on a pre-set schedule. I want to eliminate the guess work when I replace the mechanical timer. Do you have a suggestion for some kind of higher tech timer that I can control the deep well pump more precisely? The goal would be to let the deep well water fill up then pump an amount of water enough to fill the storage tank every 24 hours without depleting the deepwell too much at any one time in the pre-determined cycle(s).
Thanks so much for the info. I have a 3.3 GMP well in my house of the family of 5. But we have a lawn approximately 1 acre that needs to be irrigated 3 times a week for about 2 minutes (each zone). In the basement, we have a 300 gallons storage tank with a pressure pump booster. But we are still running out of water. Please what would you suggest we do in our situation? I am thinking of switching the storage tank to 1000 gallons (or at least 500 gallons) or drill a second well. But I will rather go for the low-cost option (storage) if it is going to solve the problem. I have extra space to allow for a bigger storage tank in my basement. Thanks in advance for your advice.
Our well produces 4.5gpm but starts to cavitate at 5.0gpm. We can live with the flow we're getting but I was wondering if a VFD would a good choice and can they be set to allow a max flow to avoid cavitation?
Great question! On low producing wells, the well pump NEEDS to have a motor protection device installed. The most popular is electronic motor protection like the Franklin Electric Pumptec, which can be installed inside the existing control box or as a stand-alone device depending on the application. Then on the cistern pump we use two forms of protection: Primarily a float switch in the tank ran to a contactor takes care of the day-to-day and, in case the float fails, either a low-pressure cutout switch OR another Pumptec. Links below: Motor protection: www.rcworst.com/Motor-Protection-c169.html Low-pressure cutout switch: www.rcworst.com/square-d-pressure-switch-m4-30-50-psi-w/-low-pressure-cut-off-9013fsg2j21m4.html Float Switch: www.rcworst.com/SJE-Rhombus-10PMDWOP-PumpMaster-Pump-Switch-Pump-Down-10-Cord-W/O-Plug-p1200.html Contactor: www.rcworst.com/Cutler-Hammer-C25BNB230B-2-Pole-30-Amp-Contactor-p721.html
Does depth slow down the recovery rate? I have a 900’ well that is supposed to be 1.5 GPM, but overnight I’m barely getting 100 gallons. My pump is at 600’, so not sure if the depth of the well is causing the rate to slow down at it gets to the 600’ mark.
If we wanted a water storage tank installed during a new home build, which trade would that fall under? Not sure if that's the well company or someone else that installs and hooks that up.
In your water storage tank diagram you show that the submersible pump is on its side, I'm currently looking into a 1200 gal. storage tank and was wondering how to mount a submersible pump correctly in a vertical position. Appreciate any help.
How do you manage the well pump on a low yielding well? Most conrol boxes have no idea when the well is pumped out and pumps/motors have no sensor for a low water level condition.
I see you added motor protection on another video as a "bonus" but really it deserves a video of it's own with a full look at the motor protection options and the units available and how they work.
@@uptalk144 What solution did you come up with for .5gpm to be acceptable? I am looking (depending on who is here and when) at family size varying from 1-4 people, and have 1gpm water. My thought after this vid is an extra pressure tank.
We have a very lg one in our heated finished basement/storage room and I noticed the water has a very thin film of something ontop, no smells just this thin film ontop...do you know what this mean
Been working to restore water to an old school that had been abandoned for 50 years. Thank you for the information you provide, much appreciated.
I have an in-ground 575 gal cistern for a low producing well. 1 HP pump in a 500 ft well. 1 HP pump in the cistern. Have a three bedroom , two bath home. Had twenty-three people here for my daughter’s birthday party. It kept up with all of our needs. Nice
Nice did you just store in basement?
No. I had the cistern buried below the frost line between the well and the house. Both the well and the cistern have their own pump. The system works very well!
We use the same brand of tanks for general use, but for increasing storage a tank with a full bladder set soft (10-15 psi air) will add about twice as much storage per tank a diaphragm tank of a similar size.
I really enjoy learning from your videos, thank you!
At the way u explain men ur amazing congratulations
Nice presentation! I really like the way you explain. Selfishly speaking, I just wish this was something you had presented last year - as you would have saved me a lot of money. Others will profit from your information here and please continue to do your videos.
Thanks!
It is pretty good explanation. I have govenment supplied water line and it is low pressure due to the location of the meter being away too too far. This days dropping a water line infront of your house is expensive more that 10K. The old galvinazed pipe has been reduced in diameter, Storage is one of the option I got. Is this will work for washington state if the tank is outside?
Great video...calling you next week!
I love the way you explain it, I have a cuestión on my under water tank for some reason the water in the surface is brownish and glue-is and we hired a company to power washer the under water cistern ,for couple months the water was clean y now we have the same issue, any idea what can they be?
Someone said to use clear silicone and putting outside under the cistern ?
We don’t know what to do !
thanks so much for clarifying my question.Have a other question.Can you tie into your existing submersible well pump to go into a other building, so you don't have to drill for a new well, and if yes how would you set it up. Thanks so much
Well explained, thank you
like your videos, do you have one specific for storage tanks in a house; 3rd option in this video?
I love the idea of using of a submergible pump. All the ones I've seen the submergible well pumps are mounted on blocks to absorb the motor starting torque laying on the bottom of the tank with some kind of hose or flex piping running to the surface. Have you seen or installed or would you recommend this type of pump hanging vertically from the discharge piping or hose in water storage tank? Thank you, Bert
You can but the intake will be higher unless it's mounted in a sump.
What kind of submersible pump are you referring to in application 1? I am trying to dig a shallow well and pump into a 1000 gallon underground cistern. I need a pump that will support my irrigation system. Larger zone is 5 heads with rainbird maxipaw's and blue inserts installed. Thanks and great video.
Thanks for the informative video. At a recovery rate of .31 gpm, we are struggling to have enough water for just the 2 of us. I had asked about using a larger pressure tank but the contractor who installed our submersible pump and UV filtration system said that wouldn't be a viable solution and recommended going with an inground 1000 or 1500 gallon storage tank, secondary submersible pump and pump saver. I was thinking more like a 80 - 120 gallon indoor vertical storage tank that will fit through our utility room doorway with a submersible pump and secondary pressure tank?
oh Thank you so my well water has so much iron is creepy... so i've thinking for a year how to solve such an annoying issue
How would the reserve tank be automatically filled once the water level dropped.
We are trying to not have to stand there monitoring our 1500 gallon storage tank when the water becomes drained from irrigation.
Must be a way to monitor that water level automatically so as to turn our well pump on and replenish this tank, then turn off once well fills?
I’m thinking of adding a storage tank, which could be higher than our house for gravity flow, so we can have water when the power goes out.
The well and equipment are about 200 feet from the house which is about 10feet higher.
We’re on about 5 acres with a hillside in the back of the house where I could install a tank.
What are your thoughts on this?
You are so smart
Curious if there is any type of alarm or alert that can be configured if the well pump fails. I’m looking to add storage capacity in the event my well pump goes out or some other failure. I’m sitting here now with no water because my well pump failed (second time in 2 years). It would have been nice to know the pump failed before using all the water in the pressure tank. If I add an intermediate tank for storage and could be alerted to a problem I would at least be able to conserve water while waiting on repairs.
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Hi! Thank you for the video.
I have a low producing deep well. I added a 300 gallon poly tank and a pump in my basement. I also added a timer switch on the main well that turns the well on once per hour to fill the tank. The problem with this mechanical timer is that it has tabs to add to increase the run time of the deep well pump. One tab is not enough water to keep the tank full. 2 tabs empties the well too quickly. I did reduce the flow from the deep well by partially closing a valve but it really is guess work.
The mechanical timer is also not reliable. Sometimes it gets stuck and everything just stops. I did lubricate the gears inside it. It ran for a couple months but stopped again recently. Tap the case and it starts ticking again. This is frustrating and it needs to be replaced. I am confident that the deep well can provide enough water to meet our needs
if we could regulate the deep well pump more accurately. I wan to replace this mechanical timer.
I am hoping that you have a solution where I could pump an exact amount of water into the holding tank on a pre-set schedule. I want to eliminate the guess work when I replace the mechanical timer. Do you have a suggestion for some kind of higher tech timer that I can control the deep well pump more precisely? The goal would be to let the deep well water fill up then pump an amount of water enough to fill the storage tank every 24 hours without depleting the deepwell too much at any one time in the pre-determined cycle(s).
I would suggest a float switch plus motor protection. Give us a call: 855.329.4519
For mechanical timers, I have had good luck with Intermatic. They use on and off trippers that screw onto the timer wheel.
Thanks so much for the info. I have a 3.3 GMP well in my house of the family of 5. But we have a lawn approximately 1 acre that needs to be irrigated 3 times a week for about 2 minutes (each zone). In the basement, we have a 300 gallons storage tank with a pressure pump booster. But we are still running out of water. Please what would you suggest we do in our situation? I am thinking of switching the storage tank to 1000 gallons (or at least 500 gallons) or drill a second well. But I will rather go for the low-cost option (storage) if it is going to solve the problem. I have extra space to allow for a bigger storage tank in my basement. Thanks in advance for your advice.
A larger storage tank would definitely be the cheaper option!
@@RCworstwater Thanks for your response...
Would an outdoor fiberglass tank still be at risk for freezing in a cold climate?
Yes
Our well produces 4.5gpm but starts to cavitate at 5.0gpm. We can live with the flow we're getting but I was wondering if a VFD would a good choice and can they be set to allow a max flow to avoid cavitation?
Tom, give us a call to discuss: 855.329.4519
A ball valve to throttle it would be a lot more cost effective.
Thanks!
Welcome!
Just asking. At what depth do you consider a well Shallow or Deep.
About 25 feet as a shallow well pump can't pump deeper than that / overcome atmospheric pressure.
@@abm2958 Thanks so much good to know.
in option 1, how do you keep either pump from running if the tank or well run dry? any sort of automatic switch for that?
Great question! On low producing wells, the well pump NEEDS to have a motor protection device installed. The most popular is electronic motor protection like the Franklin Electric Pumptec, which can be installed inside the existing control box or as a stand-alone device depending on the application. Then on the cistern pump we use two forms of protection: Primarily a float switch in the tank ran to a contactor takes care of the day-to-day and, in case the float fails, either a low-pressure cutout switch OR another Pumptec. Links below:
Motor protection: www.rcworst.com/Motor-Protection-c169.html
Low-pressure cutout switch: www.rcworst.com/square-d-pressure-switch-m4-30-50-psi-w/-low-pressure-cut-off-9013fsg2j21m4.html
Float Switch: www.rcworst.com/SJE-Rhombus-10PMDWOP-PumpMaster-Pump-Switch-Pump-Down-10-Cord-W/O-Plug-p1200.html
Contactor: www.rcworst.com/Cutler-Hammer-C25BNB230B-2-Pole-30-Amp-Contactor-p721.html
Does depth slow down the recovery rate? I have a 900’ well that is supposed to be 1.5 GPM, but overnight I’m barely getting 100 gallons. My pump is at 600’, so not sure if the depth of the well is causing the rate to slow down at it gets to the 600’ mark.
No, depth does not slow down the slow rate. Typically, you only drill a well deeper if the current flow rate is not sufficient.
If we wanted a water storage tank installed during a new home build, which trade would that fall under? Not sure if that's the well company or someone else that installs and hooks that up.
You could ask the well company but it would likely be the excavator to install the tank, then the pump company comes in and hooks up the pump.
@@RCworstwater Does a plumber ever need to be involved?
In your water storage tank diagram you show that the submersible pump is on its side, I'm currently looking into a 1200 gal. storage tank and was wondering how to mount a submersible pump correctly in a vertical position. Appreciate any help.
Please reach out to our techs: 855.329.4519
How do you manage the well pump on a low yielding well? Most conrol boxes have no idea when the well is pumped out and pumps/motors have no sensor for a low water level condition.
I see you added motor protection on another video as a "bonus" but really it deserves a video of it's own with a full look at the motor protection options and the units available and how they work.
They cut the power when amperage drops / set to restart on a time delay that you set.@@jlaw8882
You can also throttle the output if the well will sustain constant pumping at low volume, gain capacity with storage.
Wouldn't the additional pressure tank burn out the pump, if the well doesn't have enough recovery? How would one work around that?
Electronic motor protection is required
@@RCworstwater Thanks for quick reply. How could a family of 7 survive off 1/2 gpm? Any ideas?
@@uptalk144 What solution did you come up with for .5gpm to be acceptable? I am looking (depending on who is here and when) at family size varying from 1-4 people, and have 1gpm water. My thought after this vid is an extra pressure tank.
We have a very lg one in our heated finished basement/storage room and I noticed the water has a very thin film of something ontop, no smells just this thin film ontop...do you know what this mean
If the film is a milky color and feels chalky it is possibly calcium.
a builder just built a house next to me with a storage tank. im trying to figure out how their system works cause their water stinks
It would be a neat trick to see a big water tank freeze solid and break out anywhere
He looks like Pete Davidson