Aeroflot Is Reportedly Using Its Young Airbus A350s For Spare Parts
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2022
- With sanctions forbidding any export of aircraft or their spare parts from the EU or the US to Russia, it was only a matter of time before airlines needed to cannibalize their own fleets to maintain operations. In an interesting new report, Russian flag carrier Aeroflot has begun stripping one of its brand-new Airbus A350s for parts.
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The A350 has so many exotic and leading edge technologies. I am not aware of any agency in Iran - including military aviation supplier - who can properly produce spare parts that are identical in material, dimensions, weight, and most importantly QUALITY... I think the real question is how many critical parts can an A350 safely fly WITHOUT. Russia may show us the answer if they drag things out long-term
Yes, good luck if Iran can manufacture Carbon fibre composite, even if yes it would be fun to see if it have enough strength for A350 uses.
It still lucky A350 didn’t uses Lithium-ion battery, hope Russian/Iran made Lithium-ion Batteries won’t explode
Sorry, of course the most complicated part is the Rolls Royce Trent XWB engine which requires complicated smelting technique to produce (even China don’t have such)
@@jamesau4296 exactly. and those are just the technology limitations that we KNOW about. Not to mention CFRP and other materials.
European built quality is nothing to shout about. The only thing about EU parts is EXPENSIVE due to high cost labour. Quality and material is SO and So only.... Nothing to shout about. China can produce parts at 1/3 the price with excellent built quality and finishes. Trust me any country can replicate the parts you boast about. Bare in mind those parts are Not Made By God that no man can replicate.
I can’t see Russia ever being leased another plane from Airbus or Boeing.
If the regime is gone at some point by a new revolution or something and the whole thing turns into a democratic country, companies will return to business.
@@neunundfuenfzigposition good luck with that.
@@CARBONHAWK1 yes it definitely won’t happen any time soon :/
@@neunundfuenfzigposition well history talks against that considering USSR/Russia hasn’t been a democratic state for a single second in its 1000 year history. Strange things happens for sure but this strange, don’t think so.
Airbus and Boeing almost never lease aircraft. They are bought by leasing companies, who then lease them out to airlines.
But you are correct in general - the leasing companies (and their insurance providers) have taken a huge hit from the Russian confiscation of leased aircraft. It will be a long time before anyone leases western aircraft in Russia.
I expect they have a stock of the commonly replaced components as any airline would. My guess would be you will start to see aircraft out of service when the sensors or electronic systems fail.
Reverse engineered Chinese replacements incoming.
Keeping stocks as you would think is not that common and to expensive to do
@@derek20la china has refused to help russia circumvent sanctions on aircraft parts, since that would result in china also being sanctioned.
@@ryan_n05 Good point. China is a very honest country that strongly respects intellectual property rights. They would never make other plans (esp plans with military benefit) behind our backs.
Because China wants the US to be very prosperous.
/s 🤣😂😆
@@derek20la i’m not lying at all, they aren’t helping russia with this specifically. though they do now trade with russia for food, semiconductors, and more.
I didn't know that SMBC leases A350s to Aeroflot. Huge insurance matters for the leasing industry.
Modern aircraft are flying supercomputers. Critical or electronic parts send signals to manufacturers or airline headquaters, even the Coffeemakers on board, to be more servicable. The engineers on the ground get noticed of a failure part, as the plane is still flying in, so they can get a spare in advance to repair the plane as soon, as it has landed. Remember: they were tracking the missing Malasia 777 by its engines technical signals through satilite. They will know instantly if parts are changed in from another plane or sourced from another friendly country.
Unfortuantely this is not good for the statistics, as otherwise clean stats like the 787, 350 will have plane crashes with this.
I hope this is not a Laboratory for the plane makers, to see, how can we lower quality and earn even more money until a plane crashes.
Russia is fine with not so modern planes. Take a look at one of the best planes in history - IL-96
ILFC got burned in 2013 when aircraft on lease to defunct airline Krasair were effectively seized under dubious 'customs paperwork'. I don't know if GECAS is leasing over there, but, I have to agree that nobody is going to lease diddly squat to a Russian airline after this. I assume it'll turn into a massive insurance flop, but still, nobody's going to willingly go into a known headache.
That thumbnail is straight up nightmare fuel
It’s just a matter of time until one of these planes yet again falls out of the sky
Is it a 737 variant?
my condolences to all the family members of these aircraft
A320 Aeroflot Here. Thank you, He was to young to get cannibalized
@@doglookingatcamera7954 man what a sad world we live in today 😔
@@Tzshchsjsjxijyo Not as sad as 100 years ago.
@@CubicSpline707 yeah 100 years ago was worse
when i was usaf we called these "hanger queens." at my ang base we had a rescue c130 that was a hanger queen at travis for years, and we fixed it right up!
Yeah but you had all the correct tools, all the correct parts, all the correct training, and the manufacture on the end of a phone. Russia has lets see now, the sq rt of jack haha
I assume the sanctions also prohibit the plane makers providing technical advice to the Russian airlines. There is not an airline in the “ civilised “ world that does not seek such advice to keep their fleet airworthy.
Good luck making those Rolls Royce engine parts in an Iranian shed.
Using counterfeit parts from a non supplier makes a Frankenstein aircraft with questionable safety to say the least. Feeling lucky??
The mindset of people who had nothing is not the same as the mindset of those who always had everything. For me, as someone who grew up under „unsafe“ conditions, it is just daily operations, I don’t even question the aircraft safety as there is no one to complain to.
@@Commentator541 well good luck with that mindset 👍
2nd hand Iranian parts great idea
The allegedly disassembled RA-73156 is flying now. Either the reports have been false, or new spare parts have been "parallel-imported" to replace the removed ones.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see whole aircraft getting grounded and demolished without being parted in the far future
Let's just hope these "improvised" aircraft don't crash or lead to human casualties 😢
A dangerous practice
Blame united West that lead to that point
Be real!
Who did NOT see this coming???
Putin!
You can buy Airbus parts indirectly by your friends all over the world...
Agree. There are many aircraft parts brokers all over the world who can source Airbus parts from South America, India and even the EU and USA: they are passed through many different companies before they end up in Russia. It's a black market. Banned VW/Mahle spare truck parts are still available in Russia but at a price.
Why they do not use the Antonov An-2? They only have Russian parts.
That huge biplane looks like a joke, but is actually functional. Could carry mail or a cruise missile, but maybe slower than ground transport.
They'll use Tupolevs Tu-214, refreshed SSJ that has only Russian parts including new generation engines, and MS-21.
“REPORTEDLY “😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The allegedly disassembled RA-73156 is flying now. Either the reports have been false, or new spare parts have been "parallel-imported" to replace the removed ones.
Sad to see Russia going backwards, this will probably be the end for Aeroflot also
Aeroflot will survive. It survived the Soviet Union after all.
For now I see Europe losing its economy.
You gotta do what you gotta do
Tack off and landing wear on landing gear, brake packs first part. Bird strike to engines and air frame second issue.
my country(Vietnam)during 1975 to 2000:14 air crash,thousands die
now(2000 to 2022):no one die
man repo-ing russian jets would've made awesome episodes for reality tv
Russian should use own aircraft during the war. At this point you can’t avoid aircraft cannibalize each other.
Won’t be long until we’re hearing stories of planes having major incidents in Russian airspace. Heading back to the dark days before the fall of the iron curtain.
I read an article several months ago that Iran and Russia are going to start to produce new Tu 214s in a cooperation so they can have domestic built planes that won't be affected by any sanctions.
Ans fly them where? Also, how long will that take? Years probably.
Another question: How long airbus and boing will live without russian titan?
I honestly don‘t think that the aviation in that country will exist in its current form for long anymore. Just think about the fact that basically all silicon is engineered & manufactured in other countries like the US, Taiwan and Israel.
I remember the 80's when every other week involved an Aeroflot flight dropping out of the sky, either due to parts failure , incompetence or excess vodka consumption on the pilot's part (or all 3)
you remember it wrong...
When you mean "belonging" did you actually check that they indeed belong to them, aka these are aircrafts that were paid out by Aeroflot or they could be leased aircrafts ? Obvioulsy apply to the A350 in your story, not the other Russian RJ.
He goes over that in the video.
What else can they do. But soon they won't have many places to fly.
The Point is that every part has its paperwork atached to it. When the planes are returned at some point , they have to redo all of that . For every part of the plane. Or it will never be allowed to fly international again. In most cases that is so mutch work that it's cheaper to write the plane off as a loss. Almost none of the planes stuck in russia will fly outside of russia ever again.
what is happening to the "leased" jets ....cannibalised too ?
The truth is that modern aircraft are so overengineered with multiple redundant ststems, they'll be flying for years. After all, reliability is everything in aviation...
It won't take long before they go beyond a MEL item.
Not true. There's regular replacement items especially on the engines. If they're GE or Pratt or Rolls Royce especially, Russia is not getting them. Redundant systems for sensors computers but there's 2 engines and when regular parts wear isn't done your down to one.
Does Aeroflot have adidas livery yet?
Why would they break up a new aircraft too use the parts on an older aircraft?
Most likely because those parts have less wear.
Long long time. Not too worry. There are a bigger country can help for parts as itself also makes planes
They can't, beause they have no international certification. They can only be operated in "piate" mode in isolated airspace.
There'll come a day when say Airbus will install software that will ground aircraft on demand.
And then some smart terrorist organisation will figure out how to hack into the system. No thanks.
The Russia will strike back so bad the Airbus will never dare to perform this step.
@@Hugh.Morjowie I would dare to try. Russia is ancient by their military. It’s nothing then old rubbish.
Poor a350s
Russia won't need that may planes in the future I guess. 1 for Egypt to lovely Sharm El Sheikh, 3 for China when they open up after covid and maybe one for India and Pattaya👍🏻.
@Harbin Tiger so including domestic flight to the list then...
Define ‘Airworthy’ at this time?
Shame to see all the energy and resources that went into making the planes, go to waste, by this dissembly. Then again, it pales in comparison with the waste of resouces and lives of the war that's being waged. It would be nice if mankind could someday shake off this urge to destroy.
Qatar just put another purchase order for spares.
No surprises here. It was inevitable.
I think it is more likely that Iran will use its extensive network of straw purchasers to procure *already existing* parts for Russian airlines than actually make new ones. If you work in aviation parts procurement and you suddenly get a lot of orders for stuff only used on the 737NG, 777 and A350 from sketchy Armenian shell companies, keep an eye on that.
Why a350? Why not drop there older stuff
Their best source for A350 parts is other A350s. There’s probably not much they could pull from an A320 to keep an A350 going.
I suppose it all depends on how frequently a part needs to be changed, and how many are fitted to each aircraft.
Also, in the case of, for example cockpit windows where each pane is unique, a few unfortunate bird-strikes could eat through the available supplies - engines too!
Good point
Most airline winscreen damage is done by other means :) Birdstikes don't count for that much glass, a lot of panel beating yes, but not that much glass
Why would they strip a new A350 versus an old one?
Doesn't it make more sense to put a newer low hour part on a older airframe than the opposite.
newer parts might last longer? Maybe, seems weird to me too.
Maybe because you have more new parts
Depends on the part. Some parts in a plane have time restrictions. So doesn’t make sense to put an end of life item from another old plane on a plane that will need new part. Just think tires, you don’t put worn out tires on another plane.
@3:15 that article about the agreement between Russia and Iran, and your point on why not just fly the new plane. Makes me question these un-name sources. Sources reported,that they got the information from a credible source., who told them that they pulled the information, from out of the sky.
Wow they really tearing down their planes huh
Yup
Well, they are tearing down _someone's_ aircraft.
@@UncleKennysPlace Not any more
I don't get how aeroflot operates
U should buy some stock. Aeeroflot survived sanctions strike the most best! Stocks will go skyhigh.
Soon Russia will use china's c939
I think about 6.5 years
“Sanctions”😂😂😂as if Airbus will lose money! What stops Russia from obtaining Airbus spare parts from its friendly Nations? We don’t live in times of full transparency and news are manufactured. Anyway, love the clips of aircraft 😊
"What stops Russia from obtaining Airbus spare parts from its friendly Nations?" Mostly the penalties to nations caught helping Russia circumvent the sanctions: the nation helping them gets slapped with sanctions as well
This made me violently ill hearing them violate such young aircraft like that
me who hates new twin widecabin's: mwahahahahahHAHAHAAH
@@wsx2000lol Widebodies*
Not sure I see the logic in dismantling a nearly new plane to use as spare parts for an old plane. Why not just use the almost new plane instead and ditch the old 1.... Use the old 1 for any spare parts that are still serviceable.
For those who see this as scrapping, it isn't. Aircraft parts are very modular. Engines, all instruments, flaps, all interior parts, landing gear, windows, doors, etc. are all removeable for use on other aircraft. What will render the aircraft as scrap is doing this at an unapproved repair station.
It’s still being removed from service, which by definition means it’s being scrapped, even if the parts are being used to revitalize other aircraft.
Without the correct paperwork, it can be very expensive to recertify parts.
In the case of whole aircraft doing so may cost more than ordering a new one from Boeing or Airbus.
It's scrapping when you have to pull out the plane from flying and get the parts for the other aircraft.
Same thing happened to the retired 747 and many other plane, their engines and other valuable parts will go to the other planes to keep them in the sky for longer.
@@orbitingancient No it dont, planes are removed from service for ALOT of reasons.
Major Checks ABCD
Repair
Repaint
Resale
Return to lessors
Anytime a plane cant fly for its airline its OUT OF SERVICE. Thats all it is. Every plane FedEX owns came in as out of service MD10s MD11 etc, they just register them and tada, back in service and ready to fly
Very saddened
5 seconds prob
It was only a matter of time! Check out our new A350 video
When people start dying because of crashes it will be a very sad Day
Ukraine will pay for that too
Earoflot has only itself to blame, for working at variance with what their government is saying. While the government is encouraging transition to russian equipment Earoflot is spending 3 billion $ to buy western airplanes from Lessors that it cannot maintain and that cannot even be serviced abroad. That money would have been better invested in the IL-96 program to obtain say 10-20 IL-96-300 and perhaps a few il-96-400m with a fully furnished cabin interior. Business will allow IL to pursue and build more modern planes in a few years
I SERIOUSLY don’t agree with this.
They will be out of service faster than they think
There will be new IL-96 and MC-21 to that moment.
So.. humans in those planes are less worthy than Ukrainians. It's just ridiculous to also ban the civilians planes spare parts.
In 2024 I doubt they would be flying
In 2024 there will be flying IL-96 and MC-21
What a shock Not
Thieves will cannibalize anything!
Theieves u meean united West that stolen 300 billion belonging to Russian people?
@@Hugh.Morjowie Hahaha......cry like a baby!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Hugh.Morjowie Evil invaders deserve nothing!
@@bankerdave888 Dont be so upset, sugar! You'd better start preparing for the winter - winter is coming.
@@Hugh.Morjowie I am in China, we have lots your cheap oil. We wait for you to go bankrupt and we get our land back!
Russia needs to start looking for propeller powered planes from the 50s , they didn’t have electronics and were simple , that’s the only way I see Russia having aviation
They might have to start producing the IL-96 again.
Read "MC-21" and "SSJ100" and "IL-96"
@@Hugh.Morjowie Unfortunatley, the SSJ100 requires a lot of international parts, and so does the MC-21 (for now), so the IL-96 would be the latest plane that Russia could produce.
@@danmartin7823 Fortunately Russia v can produce them itself or order in china in 1-2 years. Recently the very first flight with PD-14 solely Russia-produced engines was performed.
@@danmartin7823 The united West will be forced to understand and accept through PAIN that the time of their technological dominance is over - they themselves need energy carriers more than their technological toys needed. And they should learn some respect for their rivals. And “democracy” can no longer be sold for energy. No one buys "elections of 2 or more candidates" for oil and gas anymore. Well, except for the Ukrainian fools.
Russian only need those Airbus and Boeing to fly for some years more, before their own Industry can produce more SSJ-100, MC-21, versions of non Western parts. China already prepared to that direction with ARJ-21, C919 and the Russian-Chinese C929. By the end of this decade they will not need much Airbus and Boeing anymore.
By the end of the decade, nay 2023 Russia will be bankrupt and have no money for their own industry. Ukraine is having the same effect that Afghanistan did 40 years ago. A prolonged war which is costing Russia heavily that is getting them nowhere
@Harbin Tiger It's not a matter of trust - it's a matter of fact. Look at Russian economy brimming with energy. It turned out that to thrive and blossom u need cheap energy sources from Russia - and not approval of arrogant European colonial polititians
This happens within a few month of the war. The future locks bleak for Russian aviation. 👌👍👏😂
What ?! Not the news what we were hoping for. Big mistake
Next Russia will operate IL-62 and Tu114. 🤣
Yes, I bet there is many an old dog being dug out of the weeds across Russia either for parts or to be considered for reactivation to airline status.
MC-21 and IL-96
@@Hugh.Morjowie MC-21 never ever 🤣
VP vicker papa, was the call sign for thodesia. which then became Z zulu...... so how is VP become russian?????
It would be even more awsome to remotely disable all systems, so Russia wouldn't have any working airplane remaning,....
No one would dare iven if coud. Russia would strike back direly
@@Hugh.Morjowie strike back with what 😂?
As an Ukrainian, I’m really happy to hear that😁
Me too, John in Taiwan, let’s hope the same happens to XI in China
You shouldn't be happy that people's lives are going to be put in danger. The enemy is the Russian government... not the Russian people.
@@ejkk9513 about 75 of the Russian People share the opinion of the Government. At least regarding the "special Operation" in Ukraine.
This war will end when the biden crime family stops sending money over to launder.
@@JAMESWUERTELE the war will only stop when Russia lose on the battlefield. There is no other option
Isn't Airbus, Boeing, ... able to disable their machines remotely?
They wouldn't dare. Russia will strike back in that case so bad that it's unthinkable
We kept all our civilian aircraft flying with perfect maintenance during the 15 years UN sanctions was imposed on us ! If we were able to do it, so will the Russians.......
it is not perfect maintenance and you know it
@@tuge8511 Oh yes, it was and so were our army planes a helicopters !!! Don't talk about things you don't know as you were not there.....
@@zvakanaka2000it is not up to oem,easa or faa standard and you don't know what I know or not. tell me how can you do overhaul etc without having the original parts or repairing without asking to manufacturer if it is serviceable or not
@@tuge8511 FAA Standard, cough, 737 Max says "Hi!!!"
@@tuge8511 Russians dont ask permisson
While this sounds dire, it isn’t really. Never forget that Russia’s own aviation industry can rise to a challenge, and I see them making equivalent parts albeit not as nice as the OEM ones in the near future.
Haha russia needs West more than West needs russia
Vice Versa. Turns out that no economy can exist without Russia energy sources. Putin already shot down european economy. US nest
Russia has cheap Oil and cheap Kerosene why not introduce 100% Russian made planes back into service like TU154,134,IL96 IL86,IL62 better looking anyway
The Russian billions held by western banks should be used to rebuild Ukraine and lost company assets.
Who told u that? U have no connection to that billions and have no right to decide where they should be directed. They are not yours to start with
Why are they still wearing the SkyTeam logo? Delta, get rid of that communist airline.
Communist will get rid of Delta sooner as Putin's counter moves a;ready proved to european economy.
This is horrible...
So much BS propaganda.
Tires and brakes are first parts to be changed.
lol ok putin supporter
@@animegamingdude
Why did you choose to be a nameless coward pretend human?
Ashamed of yourself?
@@animegamingdude Putin has enough of support at elections. After that he pwnd the World on its own. He's really good in it
This is so beyond pathetic and unfortunately classically Russian.
Nothing classical anymore. Seems Putin changed the axis of the world again.
this is terrible. I understand if sanctions were imposed only on military parts, but why on civilian ones? put innocent people in danger?
Russia always make copies ! Remember the Concordski TU 144 it was a disaster
Russians using dismantle plains for spare parts but ingenious west will use farts for heating.
100% green, well done!!!
👏👏👏
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what the hell is this supposed to mean