I am learning to play it and it needs a time commitment which i didn't anticipate - so i would get it switched on,very quickly get lost and switch it off again.I'm determined to overcome the procrastination and persevere - by watching daily videos and implementing it on the mv-1 i'm seeing slow but steady progress.I'm going to work with my music teacher to make things happen and look forward to having some fun with it.Thanks for the input LeRoy3rd - i'm Steve1st.
It does have a bit of a learning curve. Apart from the manual, the free Roland cloud academy classes with Brian Lamb, really help. I plan to put out 1-2 videos a week, for the foreseeable future. Don't give up!
Please please please do a video on other time signatures. Please!! I saw your excellent and detailed comment on another channels video and clearly you have massive understanding of this really annoying problem with the verselab. You have an excellent way of imparting knowledge. Many thanks👏👏👏
That's very kind of you. I've only got 2 public videos on RUclips right now (I've got a bunch more on the Verselab planned), in my other video, on the 1/32 error, I also discuss other time signatures, and some of the flaws of the verselab (like having to use 4 beats), but also how to use compound meters (like 9/8), and how you'd go about using 3/4 (hint, you'd have to use 48 steps... That will give you 4 measures of 3/4, but since the Verselab only counts in 4s, it will be counted internally as 3 measures of 4/4). Hope that helps! If you've got a more specific question that's not covered on the other video, let me know and I'll try to help!
13:07 I think I found a shortcut... To change the entire kit using just the value knob, first press STYLE on the pad mode. Once you select a kit you want to try, press NOTE on the pad mode and you can play the whole kit as a preview before selecting.
Interesting, I had to try this right away (I was skeptical, lol). Before 1.80 you could, from note mode, load the kit preset menu, 1.8x changed that and caused us to have to go to section select mode, which is a bit inconvenient, taking several more steps... As you've mentioned, using the style button, then the value knob, DOES still take us directly to the kit presets! That's a nice find!
@@LeRoy3rd Thanks! Unrelated, I play guitar and was thinking of trying to sample a single C4 note directly from my amplifier's output and then program guitar parts chromatically in the MV-1, rather than play an entire part and record that into the MV-1. It would save on the sample duration available for a song and would make changes on the fly easier instead of having to rerecord the entire part. I saw you did this with a synth, but have you tried this before with something like a guitar or bass guitar?
The problem with chromatically flipping a sample is resolution, and transients. There are some specific uses that work pretty well (a trumpet sound also being used as a tuba, or a violin being used as a double bass), but this style of pitch modulation plays the sample at half speed to make it an octave lower, or at double speed to make it an octave higher. That makes using samples over large spaces less than optimal, and especially for a pluck sound, like on a guitar, the transient is very important to the integrity of the sound, so if you slow the sample down, and elongate the transient, you make the sound unusable very quickly. I have made a sample pack (it's free!) with my Arturia MicroFreak, and I tried to make the samples useful at several octaves, but for something like a guitar, a synthesized sound will be a better option (you'll discover this very quickly). At any rate, here's the link to my free sample pack: www.dropbox.com/s/y8qdhei37bw8ubw/LeRoy3rdMicroFreak.zip?dl=0
Good question! I may cover this as part of a tips and tricks video in the future. There are several ways you can change this behavior. By default the Verselab will load the default project file. Not terribly exciting, but it's usable, a decent starting point. If you go into the SYSTEM menu (the SYSTEM button is on the right, below the VALUE knob), and scroll to "Load Proj", you'll note that the default value is "INIT", that loads the simple project you're familiar with. The other option, "LAST" is a bit more useful. Still, though, that means it will always load whatever project you last saved. Maybe not what you want (it's not how I like to work). So... Is there ankther option? I'm so glad you asked! First, set the "Load Proj" to "LAST". Now set up a project the way you'd like it to be when you turn on the device. Save it, give it an inspiring name (I suppose an "inspiring name" is optional, lol). Now, access your SD card (I have the SD card guard on my device, so I access the card via the USB cable, but you can also just insert the SD card into your computer... If you use the actual SD card, make sure you turn the verselab off before removing or inserting the SD into the verselab!). When navigating the SD card you're going to navigate to:. ROLAND\MV\PROJECT In this folder, find the file "startup.txt". You can open it, if you want, it's just a text file that contains the name of the last file you saved. How can this help us? With the file closed, change its attribute to "Read-only". (in windows you right-click on the file, select "properties", then at the bottom of the window that pops up, check the box "Read-only", then hit "OK") This makes it so the verselab can't CHANGE this file... So, the verselab will ALWAYS load whatever project is on this file (as long as "Load Proj" is set to "LAST"). You can still change the default project, whatever changes you make will load with the project the next time the verselab starts. Hope that helps!
(I got a little off track, as far as I can tell, there's no way to change the default project that gets loaded when you load a NEW project, I think this may be part of the firmware, unfortunately)
In song mode when i´m listening my track, my bass always overlap in between sections the last note of section 1 continues play when the first note of the section 2 starts and i have a big amount of low end in my track because of that . I´m hopping that someone have the same issue and maybe knows how to fix it ?
@@fraustoofficial I can't say for sure that I understand the problem without seeing the project, but usually this is because a note from the previous section is carrying over (the verselab will allow this for one section back, to allow things like natural note decay, reverb tails, etc). The best way to address this, if this is what's happening, is to edit the step for the note that's sustaining, and shorten it. Also remember that if you , say, want a note on step 1 to continue for the whole bar, all 16 steps, the length will have to be 15.99 or less, length 16 will make the note carry over into the next beat (the same is true for sections).
@ thanks 🙏 I was trying to find a way that I can shorten the last not of the section but I can’t find any solution, in section mode even with a long bass note the section loops well
@ I saw people that connect external midi controllers and they have the hold option so they can control how long the notes will be maybe we have some option like this or a gate to use with the pads ?
@fraustoofficial Oh, ok! So, go to SEQ, and the track that you're trying to shorten the note for. Press the < and > buttons (next to play) to navigate on the step sequencer to get to the note you want to edit, then press EDIT+the step you want to change. In this menu, change the length. ☺️ I just realized that I'm assuming you're using a synth track, NOT a sample. If you're using the sample, the procedure would be similar, but you'd need to change the length of the step that's sustaining the sample, and possibly also the release time (if the release time is high, when input from the step sequencer stops, it will continue playing for a while).
@fraustoofficial This is going to be per clip, but it sounds like what you're looking for is release time. Release time is how long the note continues playing after you release a pad. A high release means a longer note even with a short press of the pad. I don't have the verselab in front of me, at the moment, if you need more specific instructions, let me know.
My current plan is to discuss using the step sequencer and live recording on the next video, and using sections and song mode to put together the form of a song in the video after that. 🙂
That's a bit complicated... If you load a sample on a pad in a kit track, it will just play the sample, as-is when you hit a pad. If you load a sample into a tone track, it will play it for as long as you hold the pad, normally on the root of the scale you're in, and it will speed it up, or slow it down, if you play higher or lower pads. So, when you bring in a sample, it's unaware of tempo. If you want to change the tempo of a sample to match the tempo of your project, you can use a looper track (on INST1 or INST2), but your results may vary. You have around a minute, total, for the looper tracks (and it shares memory with samples you record live), it's not always accurate with its interpretation of where the bears are in the sample, and if you change the tempo +/- more than around 10bpm from the source, it tends to get degraded pretty quickly. Also, using the looper for melodic samples is a bit hit and miss, I find it works best to change the tempo of a drum loop, then resample to a pad. Hope that helps a little, we'll talk more in depth about sampling and looper tracks in an upcoming video!
@@ghanezu I mislead you, a little bit. When you assign a sample to a tone track, it places the sample at C3. If you play it an octave higher, it just plays it twice as fast. In the same way, if you play it an octave lower, it plays it at half speed. This is just the same way you can adjust pitch on, say, a record player. Unfortunately the verselab doesn't adjust the pitch with the key of the project, or clip. You can, however, adjust where the unadjusted sample goes by using tone settings (in SEQ < SECTION SELECT < EDIT+PAD < TONE SETTINGS < COURSE TUNE). This will allow you to put the original sample at the correct place. Say, for instance, you know a sample's pitch is G3... If you're working in the key of C on your project, you'd need to use coarse tuning to move it up to where the G is, or +7. Otherwise, when you play the notes on your pads, the sounds won't match up. (if you played C, it would play G, C# would play G#, etc). Knowing this I designed all of my samples at C so that by default (the verselab starts in C) everything lines up. Hope I didn't make that more confusing, we'll be discussing this more either in the video on scales, and/or the video on sampling.
@LeRoy3rd another question about ext samples regarding scale and root note of the project is: Clip setting Key ,scale,does the change affect the sample ?.
I've subscribed, please more mv1.
I am learning to play it and it needs a time commitment which i didn't anticipate - so i would get it switched on,very quickly get lost and switch it off again.I'm determined to overcome the procrastination and persevere - by watching daily videos and implementing it on the mv-1 i'm seeing slow but steady progress.I'm going to work with my music teacher to make things happen and look forward to having some fun with it.Thanks for the input LeRoy3rd - i'm Steve1st.
It does have a bit of a learning curve. Apart from the manual, the free Roland cloud academy classes with Brian Lamb, really help. I plan to put out 1-2 videos a week, for the foreseeable future. Don't give up!
@@LeRoy3rd Thanks.I'm following the Roland Academy and determined to learn it.Repetition,repetition !
Dziękuje! Chociaż słabo znam Angielski, świetnie tłumaczysz :) Dziękuje za ten film!
You're welcome. 🙂 There should be more coming soon.
Please please please do a video on other time signatures. Please!! I saw your excellent and detailed comment on another channels video and clearly you have massive understanding of this really annoying problem with the verselab. You have an excellent way of imparting knowledge. Many thanks👏👏👏
Ahhhh! Now I see your other verselab video!!!! Yay!! Thanks 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
That's very kind of you. I've only got 2 public videos on RUclips right now (I've got a bunch more on the Verselab planned), in my other video, on the 1/32 error, I also discuss other time signatures, and some of the flaws of the verselab (like having to use 4 beats), but also how to use compound meters (like 9/8), and how you'd go about using 3/4 (hint, you'd have to use 48 steps... That will give you 4 measures of 3/4, but since the Verselab only counts in 4s, it will be counted internally as 3 measures of 4/4). Hope that helps! If you've got a more specific question that's not covered on the other video, let me know and I'll try to help!
great details ,thank you.
13:07 I think I found a shortcut... To change the entire kit using just the value knob, first press STYLE on the pad mode. Once you select a kit you want to try, press NOTE on the pad mode and you can play the whole kit as a preview before selecting.
Interesting, I had to try this right away (I was skeptical, lol). Before 1.80 you could, from note mode, load the kit preset menu, 1.8x changed that and caused us to have to go to section select mode, which is a bit inconvenient, taking several more steps... As you've mentioned, using the style button, then the value knob, DOES still take us directly to the kit presets! That's a nice find!
@@LeRoy3rd Thanks! Unrelated, I play guitar and was thinking of trying to sample a single C4 note directly from my amplifier's output and then program guitar parts chromatically in the MV-1, rather than play an entire part and record that into the MV-1. It would save on the sample duration available for a song and would make changes on the fly easier instead of having to rerecord the entire part. I saw you did this with a synth, but have you tried this before with something like a guitar or bass guitar?
The problem with chromatically flipping a sample is resolution, and transients. There are some specific uses that work pretty well (a trumpet sound also being used as a tuba, or a violin being used as a double bass), but this style of pitch modulation plays the sample at half speed to make it an octave lower, or at double speed to make it an octave higher. That makes using samples over large spaces less than optimal, and especially for a pluck sound, like on a guitar, the transient is very important to the integrity of the sound, so if you slow the sample down, and elongate the transient, you make the sound unusable very quickly. I have made a sample pack (it's free!) with my Arturia MicroFreak, and I tried to make the samples useful at several octaves, but for something like a guitar, a synthesized sound will be a better option (you'll discover this very quickly). At any rate, here's the link to my free sample pack:
www.dropbox.com/s/y8qdhei37bw8ubw/LeRoy3rdMicroFreak.zip?dl=0
Thanks! Are there any ways to change the default project?
Good question! I may cover this as part of a tips and tricks video in the future. There are several ways you can change this behavior. By default the Verselab will load the default project file. Not terribly exciting, but it's usable, a decent starting point.
If you go into the SYSTEM menu (the SYSTEM button is on the right, below the VALUE knob), and scroll to "Load Proj", you'll note that the default value is "INIT", that loads the simple project you're familiar with. The other option, "LAST" is a bit more useful. Still, though, that means it will always load whatever project you last saved. Maybe not what you want (it's not how I like to work).
So... Is there ankther option? I'm so glad you asked!
First, set the "Load Proj" to "LAST". Now set up a project the way you'd like it to be when you turn on the device. Save it, give it an inspiring name (I suppose an "inspiring name" is optional, lol). Now, access your SD card (I have the SD card guard on my device, so I access the card via the USB cable, but you can also just insert the SD card into your computer... If you use the actual SD card, make sure you turn the verselab off before removing or inserting the SD into the verselab!).
When navigating the SD card you're going to navigate to:.
ROLAND\MV\PROJECT
In this folder, find the file "startup.txt". You can open it, if you want, it's just a text file that contains the name of the last file you saved.
How can this help us? With the file closed, change its attribute to "Read-only". (in windows you right-click on the file, select "properties", then at the bottom of the window that pops up, check the box "Read-only", then hit "OK")
This makes it so the verselab can't CHANGE this file... So, the verselab will ALWAYS load whatever project is on this file (as long as "Load Proj" is set to "LAST"). You can still change the default project, whatever changes you make will load with the project the next time the verselab starts.
Hope that helps!
(I got a little off track, as far as I can tell, there's no way to change the default project that gets loaded when you load a NEW project, I think this may be part of the firmware, unfortunately)
@@LeRoy3rd You’re absolutely brilliant! Thanks a-lot!!! This is a game changer!)
In song mode when i´m listening my track, my bass always overlap in between sections the last note of section 1 continues play when the first note of the section 2 starts and i have a big amount of low end in my track because of that . I´m hopping that someone have the same issue and maybe knows how to fix it ?
@@fraustoofficial I can't say for sure that I understand the problem without seeing the project, but usually this is because a note from the previous section is carrying over (the verselab will allow this for one section back, to allow things like natural note decay, reverb tails, etc). The best way to address this, if this is what's happening, is to edit the step for the note that's sustaining, and shorten it. Also remember that if you , say, want a note on step 1 to continue for the whole bar, all 16 steps, the length will have to be 15.99 or less, length 16 will make the note carry over into the next beat (the same is true for sections).
@ thanks 🙏 I was trying to find a way that I can shorten the last not of the section but I can’t find any solution, in section mode even with a long bass note the section loops well
@ I saw people that connect external midi controllers and they have the hold option so they can control how long the notes will be maybe we have some option like this or a gate to use with the pads ?
@fraustoofficial Oh, ok! So, go to SEQ, and the track that you're trying to shorten the note for. Press the < and > buttons (next to play) to navigate on the step sequencer to get to the note you want to edit, then press EDIT+the step you want to change. In this menu, change the length. ☺️
I just realized that I'm assuming you're using a synth track, NOT a sample. If you're using the sample, the procedure would be similar, but you'd need to change the length of the step that's sustaining the sample, and possibly also the release time (if the release time is high, when input from the step sequencer stops, it will continue playing for a while).
@fraustoofficial This is going to be per clip, but it sounds like what you're looking for is release time. Release time is how long the note continues playing after you release a pad. A high release means a longer note even with a short press of the pad. I don't have the verselab in front of me, at the moment, if you need more specific instructions, let me know.
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My current plan is to discuss using the step sequencer and live recording on the next video, and using sections and song mode to put together the form of a song in the video after that. 🙂
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If we use samples ,they are automatically adjusted to the scale of the project?.
That's a bit complicated... If you load a sample on a pad in a kit track, it will just play the sample, as-is when you hit a pad. If you load a sample into a tone track, it will play it for as long as you hold the pad, normally on the root of the scale you're in, and it will speed it up, or slow it down, if you play higher or lower pads. So, when you bring in a sample, it's unaware of tempo. If you want to change the tempo of a sample to match the tempo of your project, you can use a looper track (on INST1 or INST2), but your results may vary. You have around a minute, total, for the looper tracks (and it shares memory with samples you record live), it's not always accurate with its interpretation of where the bears are in the sample, and if you change the tempo +/- more than around 10bpm from the source, it tends to get degraded pretty quickly. Also, using the looper for melodic samples is a bit hit and miss, I find it works best to change the tempo of a drum loop, then resample to a pad. Hope that helps a little, we'll talk more in depth about sampling and looper tracks in an upcoming video!
@@LeRoy3rd thx for the answer,so it keeps the root note and scale of the entire project.
@@ghanezu I mislead you, a little bit. When you assign a sample to a tone track, it places the sample at C3. If you play it an octave higher, it just plays it twice as fast. In the same way, if you play it an octave lower, it plays it at half speed. This is just the same way you can adjust pitch on, say, a record player. Unfortunately the verselab doesn't adjust the pitch with the key of the project, or clip. You can, however, adjust where the unadjusted sample goes by using tone settings (in SEQ < SECTION SELECT < EDIT+PAD < TONE SETTINGS < COURSE TUNE). This will allow you to put the original sample at the correct place. Say, for instance, you know a sample's pitch is G3... If you're working in the key of C on your project, you'd need to use coarse tuning to move it up to where the G is, or +7. Otherwise, when you play the notes on your pads, the sounds won't match up. (if you played C, it would play G, C# would play G#, etc).
Knowing this I designed all of my samples at C so that by default (the verselab starts in C) everything lines up.
Hope I didn't make that more confusing, we'll be discussing this more either in the video on scales, and/or the video on sampling.
@@LeRoy3rd thank you.I understand now.
@LeRoy3rd another question about ext samples regarding scale and root note of the project is: Clip setting Key ,scale,does the change affect the sample ?.
Another good one I hope you get more viewers and subs
Thanks! I appreciate the encouragement, I've got more planned. ☺️