Thanks for this great video - I'm in China, studying Xingyi Quan and some other arts, and think you did a great job here, giving a brief synopsis of Xingyi's history and essential elements. Keep the vids coming, dear friend, and if you are ever in Beijing, drop in and have some lunch with us!
Tommy Xuesheng I was training in Xing Yi for three months this year - the biggest thing I learned was that Xing Yi is a massive style with an almost finite amount of variations - I’ve also studied taiji in China for three months and I have to say that at least for me, Xing Yi is slightly more difficult and has a power that is very unique to itself
Total respect for your conviction and hard work, it is not easy to leave all behind and go out in the serching of a dream come true, the speach it is very well adapted to the practice and the techniques from the video, I´d seen this sifu from the video dragon´s from wudang he is great. Congratulations.
Great quality video. I've recently started shaolin kung fu myself, but I'm really new to the kung fu world, although it's REALLY easy to see how this style originates from spear techniques. I love it mate, cheers for the upload. I'm gonna check what other videos you've uploaded now ^_^
Thanks, this video is awesome! It's cool to see what we've done in class is the same as what these people are practicing. Though I must admit, they are far better than I am at it.
i was only in wudang for a month and they started to learn while i was there so i thought i would film them. next time im there i will make a updated video. the reason i used this footage was that its the only xing yi quan footage i had. next time i will also go to shanxi province and get some footage from there aswell.
i'd like to point out that that Sanda or San Shou is incredibly common in MMA, the reason most mma fighters dont train in chinese martial arts (outside of china) is not because they are not effective but because they take a life time to learn, and MMA fighters have little skill, they choose arts based on physical prowess that can be learned quickly such as Muay Thai and BJJ as opposed to ones based on finesse and sensitivity
yes you are right most of this info i got from wikipedia. i dont study xing yi quan myself and my knowledge of this particular style isnt great. so i used wikipedia because everyone seems to agree with their version of history and at the end of the day i used a free and open source website to get the info.
@Nerubio yes, the movements have been deliberately linked in an order, but it's considered a major faux pax in xing yi to use the word form or to practice fixed links. unlike most Chinese martial arts free linking is the aim of of solo practice, not performing a form specific to ones lineage
What do you think about Mizong. Mizong has a history in China of learning tactics of various internal and external styles. Most Mizong practitioners will say the style is equally an external and internal style and also is an unorthodox method. Bruce Lee and Jet Li admired him greatly and made movies on his legacy: FIST OF LEGEND, CHINESE CONNECTION AND FEARLESS. I like Mizong because it has a long tradition of being open minded to different style of training having some effectiveness.
What's so good about Xingyiquan ? it's a linear style martial art. I don't doubt its power but moving in a straight line, wonder how practical it is in adapting to the unpredictable changes in the street scenarios.
In the street, moving in a circle or moving backward means you cannot see where you're going. E.g. casually falling into a box drain To move backward in a street fight is to invite death to play coin flip. Xingyi moves forward and cannot be moved. They have good root and better power generation. And in the case of angling, they have a attack that hits at 45° and moves forward at a 45°. It isn't a full sideways, but better to see where you are going than to be caught unawares. There is only one safe direction in a street fight. Forward.
@Twycross, @PathToShaolin Most of the Kung Fu masters of China escaped to Taiwan after the Cultural Revolution. Many were murdered by the Communists. You can also find excellent Kung Fu in the West where many Kung Fu masters settled and opened schools. The master in this video, from what I can see, is an excellent teacher who is teaching his students to be precise in the movements.
Apparently those are not the Shaolin (Zen buddhists) but the Tao practitioners in Wutang Mountain. The attires and hair styles tell it. Even the master's t-shirt: "武当" and the style if you know.
hi PathtoShaolin.I would like to learn Wudang taichi quan and sword but not the kungfu styles.Since you have been there and being trained by one of the kungfu and taichi schools in Wudang Shan.plse tell me which one to your knowledge and experience there is reasonably best with dedicated that can leave a very good impression that would entice one to returm for more training.thanks if you can help.
@Twycross i dont know what im talking about? my grand parents on my mom and dad's side went thorugh The Great Leap forward, and cultural revolution my grandfather was jailed for 3 days and questioned as intellectual, luckily he had served in the Korean war as a regiment commander so he was not purged. cultrual revolution NEVER destroy any cultures of China except some physical artifacts. if u go to rural China u will be amazed at how much tradition has been preserved.
@MuayThaiViking Hey, I've only started training in xingyi very recently (last time I gave up trying to find someone who taught it here, around 2002) so I can't provide much insight into that - that's why I asked if you had done much research into it, since it would help me too. Where I train there's only one other guy learning xingyi, who has to wait for me to get up to speed so we can start a kind of sparring training that sounded like "ashengpo".
if you look at the postures and exercises that are supposedly passed down to xioalin from the I chin ching, and the explanation that they are meant to strengthen the practicioner's vital energies and allow him/her to attain immortality it certainly sounds like a Taoist text as opposed to a Buddhist one, perhaps bodhi dharma was both, or perhaps the monks of Songshan did not actually learn it from him, i am not going to speculate on 1500 year old myth, but food for thought
@Twycross and as i said my family has been through the 10 year long cultural revolution, and according to my 11 years in China i have to say Chinese cultures such as kungfu NEVER was effected, except physical artifacts was destroyed, also let me give u a heads up most of Chinese valuable artifacts such as the terricotta army was discovered in the 60s and 70s during the height of cultural revolution and none of them go damaged.
@dpapaioannow I have, but only briefly. I've studied xing yi for quite a few years though, and trained and sparred with many wing chun people. I don't mean to criticise wing chun in the slightest, the two are just about as similar as a banana and a buffalo
Actual events may have been different from what is written in various history. Unfortunately different styles (names) of martial arts are really more like different sports teams than they are different techniques. The Taoist theory and the Buddhist theory as defining characteristics of internal vs. external makes the most sense to rather than different training methods with jargon about tendons, bones, slow, fast, hard and muscle. Some trainers of Tai chi start out fast, some Shaolin KF slow.
Internal means developed solely by those from within the Nation of China by Taoists. External means developed partially or entirely outside of the nation of China and usually by Buddhists such as with Shaolin Kung Fu which is partially the invention of an east Indian Buddhist monk; it came from outside (external) of China. .
@MuayThaiViking BTW I agree with you that good sparring is necessary to develop actual fighting skills, since forms can't build the mental mechanisms to actually improvise and respond to attacks. Actually it seems that there are not many forms in xingyi - the different attacks are usually practiced on their own repeatedly while moving forwards. I saw a couple of RUclips vids of (apparently) xingyi sparring and wasn't very impressed. Will let you know in a year or two when I'm less bad ;)
i find it funny that you have an opinion about something you have never experienced for your self. that is called hearsay. iv spent the last 4 years in china so when you suggest that im a "naive westerner who's heads are filled of a magical east" it kind of gets my back up a bit.
how can an external art "turn into an internal art".The "internal" is supposed to refer to a "native Chinese System" of which there are only suppossed to be 3.The "external" is supposed to refer to "non native Chinese" which describes Shaolin and all other styles originating at or from Shaolin.The "internal" is commonly,incorrectly,used to describe "internal energy" based arts which every asian art is at the appropriate level of skill.
The chinese arts were considered to be dirty, pirate stuff... stuff for criminals to use. As the years wore on, there started to be a fusion of science and fighting arts and what was formed were more internal aspects of the arts... they became much less Karate-like and incorporated more knowledge of how the human body worked... medicine had a lot to do with this. Knowledge from acupuncturists and other medical mean greatly enhanced the arts. Spiritual disciplines added elements to the arts too.
@PathToShaolin you should be more carefull with were you get info. although it has an exaggerated rep for misinformation, the problem with wikipedia is that the information is often to simplistic and/or fails to elaborate.
That's Yuan Xiu Gang. He taught me my Baguazhang. And there's a particular qi gong routine that he has everyone do everyday. His philosophy on applications however, in his words is "if you want to defend yourself, buy a gun." He's very much a health and performance oriented instructor, and he told us he only practices qi gong now. His students are still pretty incredible though. They do iron body qi gong that involves getting pummeled by bamboo, sandbags, bean bags, and ultimately bags of rocks. And I saw one young student perform a handstand on his fingertips while I was there.
Everything except the fact that Dai Longbang was Li's teacher, it was Dai Wenxiang, a few generations later. And you forgot the Honan lineage. Other than that...
Not to be too critical, but I notice that the student in white pants who starts moving from 2:00 to 2:20 or so has his spine all in the wrong alignment and his head shakes around violently with each punch. It almost gives me a headache just watching it. I thought proper spinal alignment was a foundational aspect of kung fu...?
@Twycross in the wudang temple there was a women daoist who is now around 100 years old, she has been through cultural rev. and the red guards forced her and others to stop teaching kungfu but, she continued to practice kungfu til this day. cultural revolution is an attempt by Mao to regain his lost powers in China, the destroying the old triditions are not the main objective, 10 years of turbulance can never destory something that has been there for centuries, so stop being ignorant.
In these days of increasing economic costs, I wonder how much of this is the ridgy didge or is it a watered down version presented for the public like taiji was in the 1930s.Anybody know where you might be able to learn real stuff ?
+Alba Whiteman I have found the channel 'xing yi academy'. They seem to be very genuine and their Hsing I looks different to what i've seen before in the mainstream. Still, they seem to have a lot of depth and could be worth checking out.
I would say this art is less watered down than the larger Yang Taichi I have seen the elderly perform. Also, it has spread differently, some branches more well known, others less known, but from what I have experienced, they all share the same essential principles. You can actually learn how to fight using the basic fists immediately and quicker than some other arts.
Actually most kung fu ppl that fight MMA fighters dont use forms and thats why they lose cuz i've seen those fights. They just go off the top of their head vs executing the techniques contained in the form that they have practiced cuz they aren't being taught how to apply the forms. Plus to further show ur ignorance, Cung Lee uses Shan Shou kickboxing which is derived from Shuai Jiao AKA Chinese wrestling. And there's also Sanda which is a newer Kung Fu kickboxing style
Hsing-I's origin doesn't come from shaolin. And shaolin was burnt to the ground by soldiers who practiced Hsing-I. Hsing-I is a internal martial art and shaolin was external. Meaning: internal martial arts were developed in China, and external means the art was brought from somewhere else and developed in China. Hsing-I, tai chi, and baqua comes from China and everything else was From somewhere else but developed in China. Buddha brought the exercises to shaolin and DaMo help develop it into a famous martial art. Hsing-I's history doesn't come from shaolin. But hey I wasn't there , but shaolin kung fu is very different than Hsing-I. And that i know first hand. The ancient military practiced Hsing-I and the monks of shaolin were not military. Although they helped protect the region from outsiders when the threat was over they became the only perceived threat so the military turned on them and burnt every temple to the ground and the monks fled to other areas and taught it secretly till it was loss and then pieced back together mixed with other histories. Is there any real shaolin kung fu i don't know, but the training for exercise could be real and piece of techniques can be made back into a system and called shaolin. And it could be the closest thing you could get to it. It's all a mystery and some of all of the kung fu martial arts have traces of each other's techniques in them, but Hsing-I is a complete system of its own and all forms of Hsing-I looks similar. Shaolin looks more like wushu to me.
i find it comical that some idiots would insult their own selves with moronic comments such as the one below mine. Looks like some people are just begging for attention
@Twycross thats why Chinese kungfu CAN NOT be mastered through the internet, if u want to learn the real deal and know how to apply it in real combat then u must go to a genuine place to learn it. places like Shaolin or Wudang.
@Twycross of course they are lying when shaolin monks tell u theyre gonna teach u genuine kungfu, WHY? because they only teach genuine kungfu to their true disciple who study zen buddahsm. who also dedicate their lives mostly inside shaolin. there are only around 100 shaolin warrior monks who have the quality to learn real kungfu and i doubt u are that 100 people.
the traditional martial arts like kung fu is depends only in forms thats why they always lost in MMA thats why there is no kung fu in MMA because kung fu in MMA is not work
For starters, mma is unrealistic due to the fact that there are rules, to keep out throat, groin, neck, and eye strikes. From all of the Kung fu I've seen, however, the rules don't apply. As far as foot work and head movement goes, that just from boxing. I'm currently training siu lim tao in wing chun, and there is very effective footwork, and due to the numerous ways of covering, all head movement would do is throw me off balance (if you meant bobbing and weaving.) the straight style of
@blopeep LOL U THINK a little cultrural revolution can destroy a form of art that is practiced for centruies? not to mention 99% of Chinese think cultural revolution is the most stupid period of our history, and often laughable. westerners often think kungfu is a fighting form Chinese sees it as phillosophy.
Of movement is also effective, which has to travel further and waste more energy, moving in arks or taking to straightest path possible? All of you mma meatheads need to spend some time doing the old arts, because they're usually more practical, or learn how to respect something that has existed for 500 years or more.
Thanks for this great video - I'm in China, studying Xingyi Quan and some other arts, and think you did a great job here, giving a brief synopsis of Xingyi's history and essential elements. Keep the vids coming, dear friend, and if you are ever in Beijing, drop in and have some lunch with us!
Tommy Xuesheng I was training in Xing Yi for three months this year - the biggest thing I learned was that Xing Yi is a massive style with an almost finite amount of variations - I’ve also studied taiji in China for three months and I have to say that at least for me, Xing Yi is slightly more difficult and has a power that is very unique to itself
Mike Patterson was my teacher and I believe he would approve this. Well done.
Thank you very much for this! Very helpful and informative!
Total respect for your conviction and hard work, it is not easy to leave all behind and go out in the serching of a dream come true, the speach it is very well adapted to the practice and the techniques from the video, I´d seen this sifu from the video dragon´s from wudang he is great. Congratulations.
The wutang master is in many Kung fu videos. I believe he is a high level, well versed in all aspects of many martial arts form.
Great quality video. I've recently started shaolin kung fu myself, but I'm really new to the kung fu world, although it's REALLY easy to see how this style originates from spear techniques. I love it mate, cheers for the upload. I'm gonna check what other videos you've uploaded now ^_^
Hey, just checked out a couple of your vids and your site. pretty cool stuff.
Thanks, this video is awesome!
It's cool to see what we've done in class is the same as what these people are practicing.
Though I must admit, they are far better than I am at it.
i was only in wudang for a month and they started to learn while i was there so i thought i would film them. next time im there i will make a updated video. the reason i used this footage was that its the only xing yi quan footage i had. next time i will also go to shanxi province and get some footage from there aswell.
Sweet!
This stuff looks awesome
And it's shirts vs skins!
cool video.
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i'd like to point out that that Sanda or San Shou is incredibly common in MMA, the reason most mma fighters dont train in chinese martial arts (outside of china) is not because they are not effective but because they take a life time to learn, and MMA fighters have little skill, they choose arts based on physical prowess that can be learned quickly such as Muay Thai and BJJ as opposed to ones based on finesse and sensitivity
yes you are right most of this info i got from wikipedia. i dont study xing yi quan myself and my knowledge of this particular style isnt great. so i used wikipedia because everyone seems to agree with their version of history and at the end of the day i used a free and open source website to get the info.
@Nerubio yes, the movements have been deliberately linked in an order, but it's considered a major faux pax in xing yi to use the word form or to practice fixed links. unlike most Chinese martial arts free linking is the aim of of solo practice, not performing a form specific to ones lineage
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Thank you very much :)
@firedigimon99 thanks for subscribing. sorry i dont know of any classes in Canada. but thanks for subscribing :)
What do you think about Mizong. Mizong has a history in China of learning tactics of various internal and external styles. Most Mizong practitioners will say the style is equally an external and internal style and also is an unorthodox method. Bruce Lee and Jet Li admired him greatly and made movies on his legacy: FIST OF LEGEND, CHINESE CONNECTION AND FEARLESS. I like Mizong because it has a long tradition of being open minded to different style of training having some effectiveness.
What's so good about Xingyiquan ? it's a linear style martial art.
I don't doubt its power but moving in a straight line, wonder how practical it is in adapting to the unpredictable changes in the street scenarios.
In the street, moving in a circle or moving backward means you cannot see where you're going.
E.g. casually falling into a box drain
To move backward in a street fight is to invite death to play coin flip.
Xingyi moves forward and cannot be moved. They have good root and better power generation.
And in the case of angling, they have a attack that hits at 45° and moves forward at a 45°.
It isn't a full sideways, but better to see where you are going than to be caught unawares.
There is only one safe direction in a street fight. Forward.
@Nerubio there are no forms in xing yi, only individual xing which can be linked into non-permanent "links"
@Twycross, @PathToShaolin Most of the Kung Fu masters of China escaped to Taiwan after the Cultural Revolution. Many were murdered by the Communists. You can also find excellent Kung Fu in the West where many Kung Fu masters settled and opened schools. The master in this video, from what I can see, is an excellent teacher who is teaching his students to be precise in the movements.
Apparently those are not the Shaolin (Zen buddhists) but the Tao practitioners in Wutang Mountain. The attires and hair styles tell it. Even the master's t-shirt: "武当" and the style if you know.
hi PathtoShaolin.I would like to learn Wudang taichi quan and sword but not the kungfu styles.Since you have been there and being trained by one of the kungfu and taichi schools in Wudang Shan.plse tell me which one to your knowledge and experience there is reasonably best with dedicated that can leave a very good impression that would entice one to returm for more training.thanks if you can help.
@Twycross i dont know what im talking about? my grand parents on my mom and dad's side went thorugh The Great Leap forward, and cultural revolution my grandfather was jailed for 3 days and questioned as intellectual, luckily he had served in the Korean war as a regiment commander so he was not purged. cultrual revolution NEVER destroy any cultures of China except some physical artifacts. if u go to rural China u will be amazed at how much tradition has been preserved.
@TheLordkorv This is a fare point. i will try and find more info in the future. thanks for watching and commenting on my vids.
@MuayThaiViking Hey, I've only started training in xingyi very recently (last time I gave up trying to find someone who taught it here, around 2002) so I can't provide much insight into that - that's why I asked if you had done much research into it, since it would help me too.
Where I train there's only one other guy learning xingyi, who has to wait for me to get up to speed so we can start a kind of sparring training that sounded like "ashengpo".
awesome video, is this style based in any animal style as well?
@INDUSTRIAL3X Here is an interesting question, then: what, specifically, is incorrect about this demonstration of xingyi?
Hi,just a simple question.XingYi is credited with being an internal art so why is it availible at Shaolin which is supposed to be external arts?
if you look at the postures and exercises that are supposedly passed down to xioalin from the I chin ching, and the explanation that they are meant to strengthen the practicioner's vital energies and allow him/her to attain immortality it certainly sounds like a Taoist text as opposed to a Buddhist one, perhaps bodhi dharma was both, or perhaps the monks of Songshan did not actually learn it from him, i am not going to speculate on 1500 year old myth, but food for thought
@Twycross and as i said my family has been through the 10 year long cultural revolution, and according to my 11 years in China i have to say Chinese cultures such as kungfu NEVER was effected, except physical artifacts was destroyed, also let me give u a heads up most of Chinese valuable artifacts such as the terricotta army was discovered in the 60s and 70s during the height of cultural revolution and none of them go damaged.
@dpapaioannow I have, but only briefly. I've studied xing yi for quite a few years though, and trained and sparred with many wing chun people. I don't mean to criticise wing chun in the slightest, the two are just about as similar as a banana and a buffalo
it was one of there first lessons so im guessing that might answer your questions.
where is the school?
How do you spell the masters website address?
Thanx
"him" from previous is Huo Yan-Ja
Communist fanaticism had obviously caused incredible incomprehensible damage to this art
Theres a very good xing yi teacher in Montreal.
Actual events may have been different from what is written in various history. Unfortunately different styles (names) of martial arts are really more like different sports teams than they are different techniques. The Taoist theory and the Buddhist theory as defining characteristics of internal vs. external makes the most sense to rather than different training methods with jargon about tendons, bones, slow, fast, hard and muscle. Some trainers of Tai chi start out fast, some Shaolin KF slow.
Internal means developed solely by those from within the Nation of China by Taoists. External means developed partially or entirely outside of the nation of China and usually by Buddhists such as with Shaolin Kung Fu which is partially the invention of an east Indian Buddhist monk; it came from outside (external) of China. .
Wasn't master Yuan in that Masters of Heaven and Earth documentary?
@MuayThaiViking BTW I agree with you that good sparring is necessary to develop actual fighting skills, since forms can't build the mental mechanisms to actually improvise and respond to attacks. Actually it seems that there are not many forms in xingyi - the different attacks are usually practiced on their own repeatedly while moving forwards.
I saw a couple of RUclips vids of (apparently) xingyi sparring and wasn't very impressed. Will let you know in a year or two when I'm less bad ;)
@Nerubio there are no forms in xing yi, that's a very important principle of the art
@TheLordkorv this is a fare point and i will try and find more info in the future thanks for watching and commenting.
how do you define kung fu?
i find it funny that you have an opinion about something you have never experienced for your self. that is called hearsay.
iv spent the last 4 years in china so when you suggest that im a "naive westerner who's heads are filled of a magical east" it kind of gets my back up a bit.
is this in wudang
how can an external art "turn into an internal art".The "internal" is supposed to refer to a "native Chinese System" of which there are only suppossed to be 3.The "external" is supposed to refer to "non native Chinese" which describes Shaolin and all other styles originating at or from Shaolin.The "internal" is commonly,incorrectly,used to describe "internal energy" based arts which every asian art is at the appropriate level of skill.
wo kuei leng liang yeh yen lao quan nah scheng fu li xia ming tien fu kuang yeh chi hai kyang keo dao chen xiang yong schang biao hui chi hai
have you trained in china?
@Twycross so finally u do addmit realy kungfu never died. good have a nice day
@MuayThaiViking Why would you bet? Are you just making completely random assumptions or have you done some research into this fighting style?
The chinese arts were considered to be dirty, pirate stuff... stuff for criminals to use. As the years wore on, there started to be a fusion of science and fighting arts and what was formed were more internal aspects of the arts... they became much less Karate-like and incorporated more knowledge of how the human body worked... medicine had a lot to do with this. Knowledge from acupuncturists and other medical mean greatly enhanced the arts. Spiritual disciplines added elements to the arts too.
high level shaolin turns into internal arts
@dpapaioannow the principles actually couldn't be much further from those of wing chun
1:55 to 2+ the guy in the back is looking for a place to piss like he really wants to but knows he shouldnt :P
@PathToShaolin you should be more carefull with were you get info. although it has an exaggerated rep for misinformation, the problem with wikipedia is that the information is often to simplistic and/or fails to elaborate.
I've seen that instructor before. He smacks kids with thin bamboo reeds if they do something wrong xD haha
Yeah he does. He teaches wudang/tai chi at Wudang mountain, but I guess he's master level with xing yi as well ;p
He has a website for his school as well. Can't remember what it's called ATM but he has different class lengths with room and board.
That's Yuan Xiu Gang. He taught me my Baguazhang. And there's a particular qi gong routine that he has everyone do everyday. His philosophy on applications however, in his words is "if you want to defend yourself, buy a gun." He's very much a health and performance oriented instructor, and he told us he only practices qi gong now. His students are still pretty incredible though. They do iron body qi gong that involves getting pummeled by bamboo, sandbags, bean bags, and ultimately bags of rocks. And I saw one young student perform a handstand on his fingertips while I was there.
Nice video. Just the QI you are speaking of, is actually JING.
Everything except the fact that Dai Longbang was Li's teacher, it was Dai Wenxiang, a few generations later. And you forgot the Honan lineage. Other than that...
Not to be too critical, but I notice that the student in white pants who starts moving from 2:00 to 2:20 or so has his spine all in the wrong alignment and his head shakes around violently with each punch. It almost gives me a headache just watching it. I thought proper spinal alignment was a foundational aspect of kung fu...?
@unicornkilla23 umm, educate yourself. Zen, or as originally called in China: Chan, is in fact from China. It then migrated to Japan and Korea, etc.
so i guess you can keep wondering....
nice video thanks, only thing i can comment is that alot of your chinese pronounciation is incorrect.
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@firedigimon99
Wow this is Wudang mt. I see Taoist Yuan Xiu Gang
fire nation :)
Milosov Chanel no it’s metal bending
the caucasian guy in teh blue/gray sweats look deutch or of germanic origin
HENAN Province bro not HUNAN. I apologize if you are saying it properly.
@Twycross in the wudang temple there was a women daoist who is now around 100 years old, she has been through cultural rev. and the red guards forced her and others to stop teaching kungfu but, she continued to practice kungfu til this day. cultural revolution is an attempt by Mao to regain his lost powers in China, the destroying the old triditions are not the main objective, 10 years of turbulance can never destory something that has been there for centuries, so stop being ignorant.
In these days of increasing economic costs, I wonder how much of this is the ridgy didge or is it a watered down version presented for the public like taiji was in the 1930s.Anybody know where you might be able to learn real stuff ?
+Alba Whiteman I have found the channel 'xing yi academy'. They seem to be very genuine and their Hsing I looks different to what i've seen before in the mainstream. Still, they seem to have a lot of depth and could be worth checking out.
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there are many lineages that all do things a little differently.
I would say this art is less watered down than the larger Yang Taichi I have seen the elderly perform. Also, it has spread differently, some branches more well known, others less known, but from what I have experienced, they all share the same essential principles. You can actually learn how to fight using the basic fists immediately and quicker than some other arts.
Looks different compared to xinyiliuhequan.
Actually most kung fu ppl that fight MMA fighters dont use forms and thats why they lose cuz i've seen those fights. They just go off the top of their head vs executing the techniques contained in the form that they have practiced cuz they aren't being taught how to apply the forms. Plus to further show ur ignorance, Cung Lee uses Shan Shou kickboxing which is derived from Shuai Jiao AKA Chinese wrestling. And there's also Sanda which is a newer Kung Fu kickboxing style
Hsing-I's origin doesn't come from shaolin. And shaolin was burnt to the ground by soldiers who practiced Hsing-I. Hsing-I is a internal martial art and shaolin was external.
Meaning: internal martial arts were developed in China, and external means the art was brought from somewhere else and developed in China.
Hsing-I, tai chi, and baqua comes from China and everything else was From somewhere else but developed in China. Buddha brought the exercises to shaolin and DaMo help develop it into a famous martial art. Hsing-I's history doesn't come from shaolin. But hey I wasn't there , but shaolin kung fu is very different than Hsing-I. And that i know first hand. The ancient military practiced Hsing-I and the monks of shaolin were not military. Although they helped protect the region from outsiders when the threat was over they became the only perceived threat so the military turned on them and burnt every temple to the ground and the monks fled to other areas and taught it secretly till it was loss and then pieced back together mixed with other histories.
Is there any real shaolin kung fu i don't know, but the training for exercise could be real and piece of techniques can be made back into a system and called shaolin. And it could be the closest thing you could get to it. It's all a mystery and some of all of the kung fu martial arts have traces of each other's techniques in them, but Hsing-I is a complete system of its own and all forms of Hsing-I looks similar. Shaolin looks more like wushu to me.
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kung fu means skill. A surgeon also has kung fu in surgery. What you are talking about is wushu.
i find it comical that some idiots would insult their own selves with moronic comments such as the one below mine. Looks like some people are just begging for attention
@Twycross thats why Chinese kungfu CAN NOT be mastered through the internet, if u want to learn the real deal and know how to apply it in real combat then u must go to a genuine place to learn it. places like Shaolin or Wudang.
@mattcook1000 thanks :)
looks alot like karate
kung fu is older than karate.
i define kung fu as unrealistic martial arts not effective in realfight
done boxing karate jkd tai chi many different form of kung fu all is favor of the month MMA thinks it is the last answer it is not
your not looking close enough.
@Twycross of course they are lying when shaolin monks tell u theyre gonna teach u genuine kungfu, WHY? because they only teach genuine kungfu to their true disciple who study zen buddahsm. who also dedicate their lives mostly inside shaolin. there are only around 100 shaolin warrior monks who have the quality to learn real kungfu and i doubt u are that 100 people.
99%的动作是错误不标准的。
Elena Martino 那股神气有了举行了。要求太多他们就迷惑了。再说了，老师的尾闾都不中正，还能要求学生怎样
looks similar to northern praying mantis
the traditional martial arts like kung fu is depends only in forms thats why they always lost in MMA
thats why there is no kung fu in MMA because kung fu in MMA is not work
Do you even understand the meaning of kungfu? All MMA fighters have kungfu and same for all chinese martial artists.
kung or gong is work or effort
fu is time
For starters, mma is unrealistic due to the fact that there are rules, to keep out throat, groin, neck, and eye strikes. From all of the Kung fu I've seen, however, the rules don't apply. As far as foot work and head movement goes, that just from boxing. I'm currently training siu lim tao in wing chun, and there is very effective footwork, and due to the numerous ways of covering, all head movement would do is throw me off balance (if you meant bobbing and weaving.) the straight style of
@blopeep LOL U THINK a little cultrural revolution can destroy a form of art that is practiced for centruies? not to mention 99% of Chinese think cultural revolution is the most stupid period of our history, and often laughable. westerners often think kungfu is a fighting form Chinese sees it as phillosophy.
man those guys are so skinny!
Takeshi Miyagi I trained with them. We were fed well, but the local students train 3 times a day and run up and down stairs in blistering heat.
Too much extra.
Of movement is also effective, which has to travel further and waste more energy, moving in arks or taking to straightest path possible? All of you mma meatheads need to spend some time doing the old arts, because they're usually more practical, or learn how to respect something that has existed for 500 years or more.
@MuayThaiViking Just showing his ignorance.
This is bad.
Rubbish