Rundown - Ebonizing Wood Follow Up
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2013
- I wanted to follow up on the process of Ebonizing Wood using Iron Acetate. This process is a good way to produce that ebony look without the expense. Iron Acetate Can be made right in the shop using steel wool and Vinegar. Here is some information on the process along with the recipe from The WWGOA
Article from the Woodworkers Guild Of America
www.wwgoa.com/articles/projec...
A Video from George Vondriska Showing the process
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9 years after thsi video was made, i learnt about it. :)
Very cool! I'm glad you're doing this. FYI the gas produced is hydrogen (flammable) and the reaction is a REDOX reaction. The Iron (0) is oxidized to Fe+2 and the hydrogen from the acetic acid is reduced to H2. A little chem for ya :^)
This is just what I needed to know. Thank you sir.
Thanks for the video AND the WWGoA article link!
*Wow, the Iron Acetate reaction is incredible!*
*I'm wanting the black walnut stock, on my Marlin lever rifle, to look black - ish.*
*Right now it looks coco brown, or similar to oak.*
*This method will create a; One of a Kind look.*
*Thanks!*
Great demo! I want to try this!!
thanks for the video! I am building a white oak guitar and wanted some kind of dark stain. That iron acetate is perfect for my project!
Awesome! Very helpful for my project, thank you!
great helpful video. well done.
thank you
last picture by the way made stain look nicer :)
I did a surface burn (shou sugi ban) with an ebony stain and it looked fantastic. Maybe it would go well with this too.
Awesome Comment Brian.. !! Thanks for that Chem Info !!! Very good to know.
india ink suspended in shellac is my favourite for ebonizing. but also like prepping the surface with your vinegar/iron solution
really good demo comparison thnks
Good vid , going to give it a try. Thanks
Excellent. Thanks.
Good content. Not many carpenters try to explore natural way of staing wood(on YT).
I bought some tannin for cheap for wine making... it was extracted from some type of chesnut tree... will this work for my tannic acid? I hope so or else I will do the tea thing you did.
Hi! Would this method work on raw Oregon pine - I want to achieve that grey ash look!
Could you ebonize it all the way through by using a vacuum chamber? Btw I personally like the iron acetate treatment w/o the tea the best.
Can you talk about neutralizing the Acetate or a weaker solution so I can get the colors slightly lighter gradually? Looks amazing! Thank you for your video.
Great video!
Do you have any recommendations for darker oak? Maybe even red oak?
Very informative, great job. One question, do the level of tannins decrease over time? I am refinishing an old red oak table, and want to use this method. Thanks.
I used the iron acetate with tea bags in it on pine and as you let it sit for about a 5 to 7 days and depending on the tandons it works very well i think color is most dependent on how long it sits
Very very interesting Laney! A+ :)
Once you've used this process, can you add something like Howard's Feed & Wax as a protectant?
Very interesting. The vinegaroon on its own looks navy blue, , kinda.I also found out the Romans dyed leather black with it. They called it Vinegaroon, I believe. Best regards
I want to use ebony stain on White Pine anything I have to do special.should I use wood conditioner before I use my ebony stain...thx
I already tried the ebony wood stain and didn't like the results. Can I use this iron acetate process over wood that has stain on it? The ebony stain on a basswood guitar body just turned it brown. I also tried solar luxe ebony wood dye which did nothing. Hoping the chemical reaction would still work over stain.
Think of you have a stained piece of wood (brown) and say you want it ebonized. Could you do this process straight over it?
Hi Peter,
Using ammonia fumes the oak to a dark honey colour, a process called fuming. Ebonizing is a process in which the material is made to look like Ebony or any other black wood.
is this wood safe good for stuff like spoons or chopsticks?
after that you can wax or oil it?
I like the coloring at about 10:48 in the video. Does anyone know how to stop the ebonizing process at that point?
Go to a home brew store, they have bags of pure tannin for wine making.
Very nice music there at the end of the video, what was it?
Iron acetate looks better than the other two in my opinion. Didn't think it would look that good compared to how those things go on.
What kind of black tea do you use...I tried some black tea and it's brown not black. Thanks
how would it look on pine?
Does this kind of ebonizing process affect varnishes?
I really liked the iron acetate alone at the 10:30 time in the video, is there any way to stop the process at that darkness level ?
Put less on
will this work with fijian mahogany? very good video btw
Biff Tannon?
"Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here" :D
I use this on vegetable tanned leather. It works great and does not rub off.
Excellent video. Do you think Purpleheart would ebonize well?
1. Does the iron acetate leave any unpleasant odor on the wood?
2. How deep does it penetrate oak?
3. What kind of surface finish can you get from it? Does it need to be sanded afterwards?
how many times faster is the time lapse?
For better results using a proper paint brush will get the solution into the open grain. Also, when first making the solution don't put a lid on the container at all. It needs to be open for the metals inside to oxidise. Anything with really bad rust can be placed in the container. Sometimes dampening the wood, particularly oak, will also speed up the process, try it on a fresh green log and it will turn black almost instantly.
How would this work on beech? I want to ebonize a beech butcher block.
Thanks,
I would be hesitant to do anything on a butcher block other than mineral oil/wax or salad bowl finish. Sense you can't finish cutting blocks in conventional ways you don't want to put plant based finishes due to possible rot and you don't want to put anything like poly because you will get flakes in your food. Same goes with the rusting from the steel wool.
If you want a dark cutting block, maybe look into getting a mahogany, black walnut or purple heart version.
my favorite is the iron acetate alone
I would like to get full penetration on 1/16" maple. Maybe soak it for a while. I want to use it as a highlight in a bow handle.
How long did you let your darker stain sit for until you decided to wipe it?
how would a wood that went through this process behave outside in wind, raid and sun? I want to dress part of my house with a black colored wood planks for design purposes, but I do not want to have to treat it every few years. What would be a better alternative for my use?
Paint. If you don't want to mess with it you should paint it. Any wood treatment and untreated wood outside will fail before paint.
I must say I like the Ebony stain better I wonder how it would look if you had put the vinegar solution on it too.
The ebony stain in real life looks garbage, you can't see the true color in videos with out a decent vid card, a 2k monitor and this video recorded in 2k. There is a reason why you do this method over a store bought stain. You could say well the home made is cheaper, but a small pot of stain is $9. Vinegar and steel wool $7 so that's kind of a moot point.
James Gannon
I made the vinegar and steel wool over a month ago and the steel wool still hasn't dissolved and I only get deck stain red out of it; on pine,cedar and oak.I was looking for that dark ebony.
James McGuire Steep a Jar of Tea or use Cold Tea Black tea . Apply the tea with a brush on top the deck you used the Vinegar&steel wool solution the wook should turn a ebony color.
I'm finighin up a relic Stratocaster mexi. Lots of people don't like relic guitars but the Strat I bought needed a steup on it anyway.
If you ever looked closely at SRV number one, everyone got wrong it when madking a replica they think it's been burnt on the body for that old look or whoever does relic job would cheat by using black shoe polish and then brown polish on top but it's actually been stained. Using either steel&vinegar by itself or tea but the sealer is a wood polish like Old english. Idid it by accident and it looks really good, I like the wood grain of alder
does it raise the grain?
Others below report Yes.
Can varnish or polyurethane be applied to the wood after using Iron acetate or will there be a negative reaction?
Varnish is fine. People use the steel wool/varnish/wax method on floors all the time.
Zinsser Bullseye Clear Coat de-waxed shellac is the best coat, then any type of water based clear coat as a top coat on top of that is even better.
gread vid! thanks for the share...
quick question, I presume this would be food safe? would this work if you wanted to darken a butcher block counter top in a kitchen?
No, isn't safe actually.
The ebony stain looks the best but maybe that's down to that piece of wood having a better grain pattern.
The best way to ebonize Wood is to use India ink it works on all wood species
Is this safe for Ash type of woods?
Probably "safe", question is, is it effective. Probably best to do small test. Vinegar cheap.
I read or was told years ago that you could add one tablespoon of hydrogen peroxide to a quart of Iron Acetate stain to make it really dark. I've never tried it but if your trying for Ebony, who knows ?
Interesting, so I am interpreting the very last frame of the video, the end result, to mean that the tea actually ended up reducing the reactive darkening of the wood, instead of enhancing it.
My guess is that you'd add a base to stop it. You'd have to play with the ratios but a light enough solution ammonia should stop the reaction. Then again, it may do nothing of the sort; depending on what chemicals are reacting in the wood the ammonia may have no effect or it may even change the coloring.
You can use red wine,,,, looks great on hardwood floors.
Opaque means you CAN'T see through. Like paint. Paint is opaque. Stain using pigments is opaque, stain using dye only is transparent. It sounds like you mean transparent, or at least translucent (light can get through, though its fuzzy)
how does this work on beech?
+Tim Rice Beech would need the black tea solution first as it's low in tannin. I use this technique and I prefer to let my tea solution dry before applying the iron acetate. Either solution will have a tendency to raise the grain in your woods. So I will apply tea, let dry, sand with no finer than 220. Rinse and repeat until grain no longer raises. This can vary from wood to wood most often no more than 3 times will stop the grain from raising. Then you can apply your iron acetate for a deep, rich black.
Another technique with open grain woods like oak is to follow the iron acetate once dry with a plaster of paris wash. I use a fairly thick mix of the plaster and work it down into the grain with a plastic squeegee, such as an old credit card or a piece cut from a plastic jug. Pack it deep into the pores and remove as much excess as you can with your squeegee. Once dry you can lightly buff with a green kitchen scrubbie. Dust it off thoroughly and finish with a water base urethane finish. Thinner based urethane tends to have an amber color that will effect the bright white of the plaster.
+David Johnston thank you
ok, little bit of a language lesson. Opaque=not see through. Translucent=slightly see through. Transparent= See through.
Sorry. I don't mean to be pedantic but you said opaque in place of translucent more than once.
a reminder to all that words are important
Believe it or not. some steel wool is not actually Steel.. I am using a 0000 steel wool.. if you mean shredding the steel wool to speed up the process.. possibly I haven't tried it, but I will ... you can speed up the process by heating it.. a double boiling method works well for this.
Wake me up when you start the demonstration
O i think i get it, its transparent.
Seems like using iron directly on the surface of wood will lead to rust down the road. Even if you seal the wood, there is moisture in the wood and no sealant will keep all moisture from the air out.
Adam Floyd would filtering the steel wool out prevent that from happening, the rust?
I don't know why, but if you first put the steel wool in commercial for a few hours then put it in vinegar, it gets black quicker. Have not actually used it yet. Hopeful, the sugar changes as well or there will be ants.
Dont under stand: "in commercial"
The ebony stain actually requires a bit of burning first, then stain all the marks you've made. Set to try, and sand off until you're satisfied.
You'll see a hint of goldish brown effect.
Question: why not just use a solution with black pigments in it?
That's what ebony stain is... another option is india ink but probably really expensive.
6.5 minutes to get to the doing. 6.5 minutes of blah blah blah. Get on with it.
MrBonners thanks for heads up on the 6:30 mark ! Saved me some time !
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excellent wood turned into a sad game