Have Humans Stopped Evolving?

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  • Опубликовано: 26 окт 2024

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  • @DavidNash1948
    @DavidNash1948 Год назад +5

    Jon Luc Picard:" We've evolved beyond that."
    Lily Sloan: "Bullshit!"

  • @Zulmofo
    @Zulmofo Год назад +35

    A video more in depth about trans humanism and the blending of technology and humans would be really cool. I’m trying to think if Tyler has done one 😂😂

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +16

      Right? That would be a great video for me to (have) cover(ed)!
      Actually I'm thinking of remaking that doc this year or next year 👀

    • @Zulmofo
      @Zulmofo Год назад +2

      @@OrangeRiver my eyes will be peeled

    • @rixxey2048
      @rixxey2048 Год назад

      @@OrangeRiver could compare/contrast Trek transhumanism in that video, I think you'd do a great job with it! much love

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +1

      @rixxey2048 I don't know that I want to involve Trek too heavily in that video, but maybe worth a mention!

  • @grants5399
    @grants5399 Год назад +5

    wasnt expecting interviews with professors from a university as content you would upload but it was a pleasent surprise.

  • @HistoryNut-1701
    @HistoryNut-1701 Год назад +7

    Such a weird era we have moved ourselves into.

  • @owenlong4176
    @owenlong4176 Год назад +5

    Enjoyed the interview format.

  • @mattcorley4622
    @mattcorley4622 Год назад +20

    Thanks! Your content keeps getting better! One of the hidden gems on YT.

  • @dupre7416
    @dupre7416 Год назад +7

    Nice work dude. I'll be keeping an eye out for the extended doc.

  • @pwnmeisterage
    @pwnmeisterage Год назад +5

    Anyone who doesn't properly understand the basic concept of evolution should go back to school.

  • @jeskerjames3260
    @jeskerjames3260 Год назад +5

    The better question is: Is technology a part of evolution. Do intelligent beings naturally develop technology and then incorporate it into our evolution?

  • @DavidMajors
    @DavidMajors Год назад +5

    I understand this video is pretty straightforward. I commend you for not throwing in at least one reference to Star Trek Voyager's "Threshold" and lizards.

  • @jimbeam4736
    @jimbeam4736 Год назад +3

    What? As long as there is human DNA replication, there will be Evolution.

  • @DeconvertedMan
    @DeconvertedMan Год назад +3

    Nope. Everything is evolving, nothing "stops" unless the species dies out. Then its stopped.

    • @DeconvertedMan
      @DeconvertedMan Год назад

      @@discobolos4227 nah it doesnt slow down either, its adaptive to the envorment - if the envorment doesnt change or it doesnt need to adapt then it will still have changes, still mutate, etc but it will stay basically the same, but thats not slowing down or stopping.

  • @LexYeen
    @LexYeen Год назад +5

    Huh, lactose intolerance is diminishing in the population? Cool, I'm a genetic throwback!

  • @macmcleod1188
    @macmcleod1188 Год назад +3

    No, human children still have about 57 mutations compared to their parents.
    And humans still die before reproduction so there is selective pressure.

  • @Space_tec_99
    @Space_tec_99 Год назад +9

    Every new Orange River Viedeo is a highlight of my day :)

  • @nostolthegreat
    @nostolthegreat Год назад +4

    As a 6.5 foot carpenter, I can tell you (un-necessarily, you tall person), that countertops and in my case, hip height safety rails, are just too short nowadays. Physically we are still evolving. No question.

  • @bumbleguppy
    @bumbleguppy Год назад +7

    The latest episode of ST:SNW S2E02 brought back the issue of genetic alteration. I wonder where we will draw the line between someone who is cured of a genetic disease and someone who gains some greater quality than average. Which is ethical or not?
    I will keep watching it as it happens wondering how it plays out. It seems that the 'selection' of natural selection is already being co-opted by the powerful people in our societies and who controls the resources.

  • @SnarkNSass
    @SnarkNSass Год назад +3

    Hey Tyler, SnarkNSass here😂❤🖖🏻

  • @captainyossarian388
    @captainyossarian388 Год назад +5

    Great vid. We still evolve, however when we started building our first tools, our technical abilities began to surpass the extremely slow and slightly random process of natural evolution. On top of that, we're locked into a feedback loop of ever innovative medicine and science. Biological immortality and invincibility is coming, and who knows how that will change our civilization. Lots of predictions, however experience has taught us that our ability to make accurate predictions is awful.

  • @UpscaledScenes
    @UpscaledScenes Год назад +3

    Amazing deep dive into evolution Tyler! I would love to see where this story takes us next! Where we can change our outcomes, and how? Do we want these outcomes changed? At a macro or micro scale and why? Super interesting topic, because it can emcompass so much of what we do.

  • @wulphstein
    @wulphstein Год назад +3

    It looks like the physics community has stopped evolving.

  • @williamrenz3141
    @williamrenz3141 Год назад +2

    Pacemakers, blood-sugar monitoring devices, Vagal Nerve stimulators, artificial limbs, cochlear implants, sub-retinal implant, Intracortical Visual Prosthesis...

  • @HellOnWheel
    @HellOnWheel Год назад +5

    Did Lysol have a product placement deal for your documentary?

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад

      lmao

    • @HellOnWheel
      @HellOnWheel Год назад +2

      The logo's turned perfectly to camera. Kidding aside, I love the composition on Dr. Rus's over-the-shoulder.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +2

      Yep, my DPs did a fantastic job! We did not have a lot of time to film Dr. Pavlik's interview so set dressing was not as high priority tbh. I blurred the can in my documentary and probably will do the same when I get around to re-editing it!

  • @beezelbuzzel
    @beezelbuzzel Год назад +23

    An interesting subject to touch on! Between things like CRISPR and Neuralink, I think humanity is going to look very different in the next hundred years.

  • @s0aps768
    @s0aps768 Год назад +13

    Having seen what people willingly say online, I'd say that some of us have activly devolved! 😳

    • @nicholastyson1805
      @nicholastyson1805 Год назад +1

      There's no such thing as "devolution." Can't tell if you're joking

    • @s0aps768
      @s0aps768 Год назад +1

      You clearly haven't seen the scene in the mario brothers film where Koopa shoots Toad with the devolving ray. 😜 All the facts are right there.

    • @simontmn
      @simontmn Год назад +1

      @@nicholastyson1805 I have seen the claim that in the absence of sufficient infant mortality, human lines naturally acquire more and more detrimental mutations. Which could be seen as a sort of devolution. That's different from eg lower intelligence being naturally selected for, which is regular evolution not devolution.

  • @smallthoughts513
    @smallthoughts513 Год назад +9

    This topic brings to mind "a mote in God's eye" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It was not focused on the same aspects as your experts, but I would love to hear your thoughts on the series. Niven always has interesting premises.

    • @LexYeen
      @LexYeen Год назад +2

      you have the distinction of being the first person in the youtube comments section I've ever seen mention one of my favorite sci-fi novels.

  • @thralldumehammer
    @thralldumehammer Год назад +2

    We are all adapting to things you don't even notice constantly. it doesn't take millions of years to take place, but to notice

  • @leptonsoup337
    @leptonsoup337 Год назад +3

    Gotta be honest: I find the Michio Kaku thumbnail triggering.

  • @AcornElectron
    @AcornElectron Год назад +2

    Discussing current evolution on a platform that’s changed from open freedom of art and expression to capitalism online within 20 years seems redundant when you consider time as a whole.

  • @WillDeez
    @WillDeez Год назад +4

    Early Comment Squad!! Let's go!!

  • @ChefofWar
    @ChefofWar Год назад +5

    Another awesome video! ❤❤❤

  • @gr8tbigtreehugger
    @gr8tbigtreehugger Год назад +4

    Many thanks for this insightful mini-doc! Your hard work is appreciated!

  • @ericacook2862
    @ericacook2862 Год назад +2

    Nobody brought up sleep patterns. What are the things that's been noticed over the last couple of decades is the younger generations have a higher rate of people who either need less sleep or don't struggle with creating new and more lose sleep patterns for instance, I can fall asleep at anytime and get up at any time without having any issue with lag. There's a larger percentage of people who only function on 4 hours of sleep without any issue. This is becoming more and more common, though they are still considered a minority. And the idea that we're better a problem-solving then older humans is idiotic. I dare him to go out and try to figure out how to hunt a bear.

  • @e.l.4409
    @e.l.4409 Год назад +3

    Does this explain why we'll evolve into salamanders?

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +1

      Lmfao

    • @e.l.4409
      @e.l.4409 Год назад +3

      @@OrangeRiver I like that you changed the thumbnail again. I hope you keep doing it and the next one is Tom Paris Salamander Man.

  • @RyuuKageDesu
    @RyuuKageDesu Год назад +2

    As I understand it, we will only stop evolving when/if we master wide spread cloning.

  • @merrygin
    @merrygin Год назад +2

    Very interesting topic, thanks for sharing these conversations Tyler! I personally think that it's impossible to stop evolving, as long as you are still interacting with the rest of the universe (which you have to to survive as a living being) so I really liked all the nuance the interviewees threw in. As far as I am able to understand it as non-biologist, evolution (or at least selection) is just a basic principle of complex interactions over time and it not just depends on our control over our own bodies (which are still interacting with the rest of the universe). Even if we were able to control our genome perfectly, the changes in our immediate environment would still be able to produce or at least demand evolutionary change. And we are far from being able to do even that.

  • @RyanHaney55
    @RyanHaney55 Год назад +5

    Interesting stuff.

  • @quantemwensday
    @quantemwensday Год назад +3

    evolution is a long slow process
    it doesn't stop

    • @quantemwensday
      @quantemwensday Год назад

      neither does your mother's phat @$$ 🙂
      ""\_(°3°)_/""

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield Год назад +3

    Interesting stuff 👍

  • @Numba003
    @Numba003 Год назад +2

    Thank you for another interesting episode! Given that natural selection is simply just the way a species changes over time (usually in response to environmental conditions), I don't think evolution really stops, but as the video indicates, it may be increasingly artificially affected and directed by technological progress, for better and worse.
    God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)

  • @EyesOfTheInternet
    @EyesOfTheInternet Год назад +2

    I am a man of science, but I come here for Star Trek.

  • @Aragorn7884
    @Aragorn7884 Год назад +3

    Not all of us...but some of us? Yeah, most definitely 😅

    • @tonoornottono
      @tonoornottono Год назад +1

      individuals don’t evolve so your joke makes no sense

  • @GopherBaroque61
    @GopherBaroque61 Год назад +2

    I'm old. I stagnated years ago. I think I'm probably devolving. LOL

  • @purplehazel4615
    @purplehazel4615 Год назад +3

    YES. The answer is YES. Now off to watch... 😂

  • @archentity
    @archentity Год назад

    2:10 Some sick bars right here.

  • @fulltiltboogie1038
    @fulltiltboogie1038 Год назад +1

    I think we are devolving with tech starting to do so much. People are getting lazy and losing common sense

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад

      I disagree partially. Tech making our lives easier makes it worth it. A double-edged sword that we have to deal with. I don't really like calling regular people "lazy" because there are a lot of complex factors that go into why people behave the way they do. Lacking common sense though is certainly more common these days XD

  • @SPOCK22
    @SPOCK22 Год назад +5

    my christian friends would tell you we never evolved in the first place

    • @jynx3978
      @jynx3978 Год назад +1

      Really hope everything gets altered from that religion, so they can cry like maddogs

  • @willjenkins2842
    @willjenkins2842 Год назад +2

    Robin Williams is alive!

  • @simontmn
    @simontmn Год назад

    Per The Ten Thousand Year Explosion, humans are evolving a lot faster now - a larger population gives more opportunity for beneficial mutations. And our rapidly changing environment pushes evolutionary adaptation of course.

  • @kevinmulkerrins605
    @kevinmulkerrins605 Год назад +2

    Conditions that need to be met for evolution to stop in a sexually reproducing population (Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium):
    1. No differential survival among individuals within the environment (no natural selection)
    2. Entirely random mating (no sexual selection)
    3. No mutations (no genetic novelty)
    4. No migration in or out of the population (no gene flow or bottlenecks)
    5. (Effectively) infinitely large population (no genetic drift due to random catastrophes)
    6. Equal distribution of traits between sexes (genetic homogeneity)
    7. No overlap between generations (no fluctuations over time)
    One could perhaps make the argument that humanity is capable of meeting a sufficiently large and globally mobile population (thus creating a single large population with no migration) with negligible natural selection, but it would be almost impossible to meet any of the other conditions in any pragmatic way without having a very different society that uses genetic engineering to halt random effects. Which might be an interesting society to imagine as an exercise, even if it would appear extremely draconic and dystopian to us

  • @grokeffer6226
    @grokeffer6226 Год назад +4

    👍👍👍

  • @OdariArt
    @OdariArt Год назад +5

    Another awesome video! Humans are still evolving. Some are evolving to Homo stupidity, but I feel there is still hope.

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 Год назад +1

      I maybe stupid, but I'm appalled at how extremely stupid that other humans are becoming that it made me lose braincells.

  • @samael338
    @samael338 Год назад

    I would have liked to see an actual evolutionary biologist's perspective to kind of ground the other two's(cognitive psychologist and computer scientist) thoughts. It's sort of like asking a question about how the sun works and not asking an astrophysicist to weigh in.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад

      Unfortunately I did not have easy access to an evolutionary biologist 😂

    • @samael338
      @samael338 Год назад +1

      @@OrangeRiver I understand. I appreciate your content and know you do the best you can. If you do revisit this topic later it's just a thought to consider.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад

      I did interview a biomedical engineering professor for the original documentary that this interview came from, but I didn't ask him the same questions that would be relevant to this video. I plan to re-edit that documentary and rerelease it on my channel sometime this decade, and I honestly cannot WAIT for everyone to see it!

  • @jonleonard1555
    @jonleonard1555 Год назад +3

    It would have been corny, but I kinda would have wanted him to say "Short answer: No, Long answer: Nnnnnnnnoooooooo"

  • @GopherBaroque61
    @GopherBaroque61 Год назад +4

    Tyler, I almost didn't watch this video based on the thumbnail image. Not really a fan of Michio Kaku.

  • @woodchipgardens9084
    @woodchipgardens9084 6 месяцев назад

    In early written history survival was far more difficult and nutrition far less available, this would suggest to me that your left with people who have the strongest genes going forward and now that food is unlimited for most individuals we have obesity and does this add obesity genes to society and 1000 other genetic problems that could have ended peoples live early in history.

  • @Crocogator
    @Crocogator Год назад +2

    "If you look things up you misremember on the internet you're subhuman."
    Yeah because confirming facts faster is so much worse than starting a fight or digging up a 30 year old book from the library.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +4

      Lol that's not what he was saying

  • @misterlau5246
    @misterlau5246 Год назад +2

    I don't think "evolution" is misused.
    What you said later in the intro. NATURAL SELECTION.
    I'm not an expert in the modern science of genetics very far from it. But the genetic things, there's a lot of assumptions about this.
    If natural, it was originally intended for people to reproduce and get better adapted descendants for the current environment.
    But medicine has advanced much, and everyone can pass the genes to later generations.
    I don't agree with the expert who said "we are strictly not humans anymore because of the use of devices" 🤔
    Education... Who will want to work in manual tasks?
    Who will want to design the next step in the way to star trek technology?
    Since I'm neurodivergent, I don't think I can relate to the idea of people getting better because the availability of info is at our fingertips in our devices.
    Lots of not very useful information there but stuff that seems spectacular. And conspiracy theories, and "relativity and quantum are fake"
    Let's go with real "easy" quantum and the required special relativity or covariant Lorentz regime with potential basic considerations
    "Space time does not exist, can't expand can't bend" . This is typical statement of some negationist
    It's not like the "normal" space. It's a representation of how energy density and flux make distances different, and time of course. Relationship of those 3D and time × c which results in longitude units, means with respect to VELOCITIES expressed as angles, and a c factor lightspeed which serves as a fixed invariant angle of pi /4 and that hyperbolic trajectory which is the actual thing we need,
    It can be represented like that because the fourth axis ct represents time as the time to travel across that one trajectory we are working with respect to the time light would do so.
    What does bend is the space-time graph which is not possible to plot in 4 axis. So the easiest thing many ytubers do is the 2D graph, which doesn't help much to a better picture of what is being represented.
    Quantum particles, Neither classic particles nor classic waves. Quantum objects are a different beast which is not even close to behave like stuff of our macro scale. experience.
    What does special relativity has to do with this?
    Those particles last more time when they get lots of speed, their proper time doesn't change, but we perceive it lives more than a quieter particle.
    But the spacetime we hear so much mentioned today is the vector space, maths.
    Well it's too much to keep at it. Not understandable I guess except for people who are studying this timey wimey.
    So was the interviewed experts.
    Transhumans, what does a human need to not be a human anymore?
    Darth Vader was a man or more machine than man?
    It's a question of philosophy from long ago, those precepts don't consider the fact that what is "natural" for some people is not so for others.
    Hey, brother, don't take it the wrong way but USA tends to press certain global economic issues which can be considered not of their incumbency, but since the States are the main customer for most of other counties, hmm.. 🤔
    Long life for you 🖖smart human

  • @RomanCigić
    @RomanCigić Год назад

    Well the evolution is still hapenning in a sense that mutations and genetic variations still occur. But the technology has caused to reduced natural selecion hapenning. We are evolving, just arent going to see any significant changes any time soon

  • @_trudge
    @_trudge Год назад +2

    trying to build your own god is probably not a great idea . people look at it like a savior / servant instead of something that will be able to prioritize its own interests

  • @beepboop204
    @beepboop204 Год назад +3

    i remember reading an article called "Evolution favours shorter and heavier women-like it or not" about how women seem to be continuing to get shorter and wider. thats probably as fascinating as it gets

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 Год назад +2

      we are also apparently seeing the "rise of the sneak". cuddlefish are a weird example of that

    • @jynx3978
      @jynx3978 Год назад +1

      No, in fact women are getting taller

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 Год назад

      @@jynx3978 source me on that.

    • @jynx3978
      @jynx3978 Год назад +1

      @@beepboop204 look around you and i can't send links because it gets deleted

    • @beepboop204
      @beepboop204 Год назад

      @@jynx3978 from what i can tell, immigration and improved diet have made some countries have "taller people", so im not sure if its a genetic evolution thing, or just diet and immigration. the idea behind women getting smaller and wider, is that smaller and wider women puberty and birth advantages. but i guess this underlines the whole issue of human evolution: genetically isolated breeding populations ("races") are hard to study in a world where the traditional genetically isolated breeding populations are all mixing together, creating new genetically isolated breeding populations. interesting stuff

  • @Andy_Babb
    @Andy_Babb 6 месяцев назад

    I like when I find an actual science channel and not another AI channel or aliens-did-it channel.

  • @mrfish4572
    @mrfish4572 8 месяцев назад

    Where the hell did you dredge up these academics from? For a professor to say we're not humans any more because in the last 10 years a tiny proportion have occasionally used virtual reality is beyond crazy. Someone please remove their tenures.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  8 месяцев назад

      That's...one way to interpret his argument smh

  • @allnamesaretakenful
    @allnamesaretakenful Год назад +2

    I don't like the interview parts.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +3

      I expected some people wouldn't. How come?

  • @Geoffrey___
    @Geoffrey___ Год назад

    I love you, Tyler, but I absolutory HATE Michio Kaku and Neil... ONLY guy I would listen to is Professor Brian Cox. We haven't stopped evolving. It's just not noticeable on this time scale of 70-120 years of observable data in a lifetime. Trust me, designer babies plus normal/poor people pregnancies will SHOW one evolutionary path versus another. I often kid and say ppl were far uglier in the past than they are now and certain types of ppl are extinct now. Watch TOS and some of the science officers etc are a little ethnic look and a little rough looking. Those types are gone forever. If nothing else, even my observation that by and large, people have gotten better looking is its OWN kind of evolution. Also, isn't there the theory that evolution happens in bursts and suddenly and unexpectedly? I maintain its the time scale. Use my earlier TOS example. I'm fairly sure there are VERY few people (maybe some of the Appalachian ppl) that look like people even from the civil war and that is just one lifetime ago. Old people now, knew people from the Civil War. At least my grandparents did... Evolution is still happening.

  • @docbrown6550
    @docbrown6550 Год назад

    Not Evolving, but on another note The World as a whole is getting more illiterate as each day goes by.

  • @bkdmode
    @bkdmode Год назад +3

    First, "Controversial"? more like "Click-bait".
    Second, You have theoretical Physicist Michio Kaku in the thumbnail but he is NOT an Evolutionary Biologist.
    In the actual video you interviewed a Phycology professor and a Computer Programmer; why didn't you interview an actual biologist like fellow RUclipsr, Forrest Valkai? At least he is an expert on the topic; he has a specialty in Evolutionary Anthropology meaning, his primary expertise is on human evolution.

    • @OrangeRiver
      @OrangeRiver  Год назад +3

      Lol, "clickbait" as if the entire video weren't dedicated to answering the question in the title. Plus, as I said several times throughout the video, this discussion is effectively an excerpt of the documentary short I made 3 and a half years ago about transhumanism. I did interview a biomedical engineering professor for that as well but didn't ask him specifically about the status/future of biological human evolution per se.

  • @TheTransitmtl
    @TheTransitmtl Год назад

    Interesting topic unfortunately transhumanism spheres of conversation have been overwhelmingly taken over by techno libertarians and other proponents of Strong Longtermism which is objectively a non moral position. The issue with transhumanism, strong longtermism and even futurism is that it gambles on future tech to solve everything.
    I used to call myself a transhumanist but the movement became ugly and I'd rather just be a humanist.
    Also I don't know what this guy is talking about his body not needing to regulate his temperature. He's so completely wrong that it kinda ruined the whole video

  • @kwnstudio1421
    @kwnstudio1421 Год назад

    So in short no we are not evolving at least at this point but we are changing which is strictly based on our current lifestyle. The humans today are still the same animal 100,000 years ago we just have better toys. Take a prehistoric “homo sapein” baby time travel to present day and rase it he or she can still earn a doctorate’s degree or develop the latest windows operating systems 🤷🏿‍♂️

  • @che71che
    @che71che Год назад +3

    Our IQ is getting lower, we are devolving, a thousand + years ago rhe everyday man could make fire, hunt, farm, husbandry and could build his own house plus could do countless of other things that today's everyday man can't

  • @hippiblue
    @hippiblue Год назад +1

    New Malinal IQ has dropped 40 points.

    • @LexYeen
      @LexYeen Год назад +2

      never heard of that demographic before.

  • @shaunybonny688
    @shaunybonny688 Год назад

    This guy talking about being in climate control all the time, speak for yourself bro lol

  • @jamieoconnor1916
    @jamieoconnor1916 Год назад +2

    Great work Tyler respect 🙏 🫡 l like your biological content you make it interesting and informative yet fun keep up the fantastic work respect 🙏