For me, they did answer the question. It is very similar to my own experience, that I had when my beloved grandma passed away. I suddenly got in touch with a huge, magnificent love energy, and at that instant I knew all my mistakes, all things that I did wrong, but at the same time I felt that I am still loved unconditionally. This energy did not judge me, I did.
It is a loving embrace of security that gives you wings in whatever you do. To me it is the ultimate extension of the motherly and fatherly love received when I was born.
Thank you for this thoughtful discussion! I would always be somewhat suspicious of persons who say things like "Oh, Hitler's forgiven and in heaven now!" or "Hitler, like most humans, is burning with unimaginable torment in endless hell!" Christians know that Jesus says "No one comes to the Father except through me." Universalists know that ALL will be lifted up - every human, animal, etc.; but maybe Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. might take more years or centuries or millennia to get there than Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandella, etc. Reincarnation (many lives) exponents say that each of us may have been a Hitler and a Mother Theresa, a murderer and a murder victim, in who knows how many past lives, and God says "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more." !!! :) :) :)
ain't no 'maybe'. each and every soul comes from God. everyone goes to heaven unless they choose not to. God loves everyone the same. God loves Hitler as much as he loves you. God loves Mother Teresa as much as he loves Lizzie Borden. God's love is all embracing and all encompassing.
Our purpose as souls is to help life evolve through love. There is a bigger picture going on that, for example; if one person commits an atrocity on another one person then it was planned that way, for the purpose of them both giving a gift of love to those that are close to them in life. Pain always reveals the wrong and creates an opportunity to do the opposite, to love. A killer gives a family and loved ones the opportunity to love more by forgiving, learning compassion, sympathy, etc. Raising their frequencies higher. The opposite is not learning to love and lowering the frequency. If one man creates an influence that brings a National or international atrocity then it too does the same thing in a larger scale to a population of people. The first example is akin to talking to a few people. Hitler is talking to millions over decades and helping humanity to evolve and change for the better. For this purpose, the higher laws are fulfilled. The same can be said for Christians who believed in Judas betraying Jesus. His actions were in support of fulfilling the story of Jesus and bringing love to millions over centuries. So, would Hitler be in a hell or a heaven if his purpose for being a villain on a larger scale was to teach humanity not to commit genocide and war but to bring about a collective peace and consciousness that supports life? How you perceive it reveals your own level of awareness and love learnt during your own life.
What exactly heaven and hell are, can be understood through Hinduism only. It is a religion that evolved on its own and goes to the very basics of god. According to Hinduism, an idea is converted into an action in seven stages, each of which is represented by a Hindu god. They are, 1. Day dreaming - Indra / Later, god of HEAVEN 2. Illusion - Shakti 3. Creativity - Brahma 4. Stabilization - Vishnu 5. Determination - Shiva 6. Status alteration - Shani 7. Compulsion - Yama / Later, god of HELL. Together, they form the Hindu supreme god, Brahman. An idea can be converted into an action from any stage. However, later the stage of conversion of idea into an action, more independent would it be from rest of the activities. Vishnu is the default Hindu god. It is more reliable than any other god. It is obvious that the purpose of heaven and hell is to abolish day dreaming and compulsion, over which most people don't have control. Thus, existence of Heaven and Hell is a belief and they factually exist within us.
Shariputra, form doesn't differ from emptiness, emptiness, doesn't not differ from form. Everything in life is the microcosm of the universe consciousness. We are identical to the stars, all life forms, nature and the universe as a whole. Each of us have a nature, positive and negative, but it isnt option A or B of the two polarity, but it's the middle way of the two extremes, which creates balance.
The other part is you see your life review often from a higher place and you may think “I could have done better.” If you’re here to learn as well, then Hitler may want to come back to practice compassion, as his own choice.
A true teacher should be bold enough to speak up the truth. If he or she really know universe well and trust universe. Not just use the name of love to avoid the answer.
None of them answered the question. Of course, we don't know. But to speak of love…that is not the answer. If we, poor mortals, have to pay for our little mistakes why someone like Hitler will not?? As simple as that.
All I heard was four people not answer the question. They refused to commit to the truth; which is that Hitler (soul) went to heaven. Everyone does who chooses it for themselves. That was disappointing to me. It made it seem as if keeping their fans happy was more important than telling the truth and risk disappointing them. They (audience members) aren't children, you know. They deserve to know the truth. Peace to you.
It could be that they are in fact unsure, though they may be leaning 99% the way of love and forgiveness for all. Some have claimed they died and saw hell. What is that? I myself do not understand a need for hell, nor do I believe it. But there may be a very unpleasant state that one may find themselves in, if they have been horribly cruel and negative. But in no way would I ever be convinced they would stay there, stuck beyond will. Maybe they go to a place if they feel they are deserving, but no one deserves misery, just as they should have never dished it out in the first place. A wrong in retaliation does not make a right. To understand this...imagine your brother is this so called evil person. Where would you have him go? I think we all know the answer, and if one does not feel the need to love and protect the brother...even though he has been so thoughtless and cruel...you would not understand or know true unconditional love. I figured this out by the age of 10 by asking myself this question. What would I do if I were God? Love and complete Forgiveness is the answer that came to me from within. A knowing.
Every one that has died is dead awaiting one of three different resurrections, dependent on which spiritual state they died.Jesus Christ emphatically and clearly stated, “And no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man [Christ]” (John 3:13). But notice: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day…For David is not ascended into the heavens” (Acts 2:29, 34). Our own opinions are irrelevant!
I was raised Catholic lived christian for some time now i am not religious but have my own set of beliefs i believe most of Brian Weiss theory of reincarnation and would like to discuss further what happens to evil people when they die im talking about violant rapists, pedophiles and people with yhe likes of phycopaths, sociopaths and the like wear would they be on the spiritual path it fall into the idea of good and evil, light and dark . As we see good and love in the world, we also see evil and hate understanding that as humans, we all experience and have the capacity to hate, but there is an element of evil that is somewhat different to the usual experience of all humans and hate. I am interested in discussing where does that element lie in the spiritual ralm?
No. Heaven and hell are basically immature concepts invented by the limited minds of men. Unfortunately, we don't get to "retire" in an idyllic environment. Instead, we "battle on" in lifetime after lifetime as our souls (hopefully) continue to learn and grow.
Read the bible. Hell exists. Hell is not on earth. Aspects exist but it's not hell because we can have a reprieve. Hell is endless pain. Right and wrong are ingrained in us by god.
Beautiful answer.
For me, they did answer the question. It is very similar to my own experience, that I had when my beloved grandma passed away. I suddenly got in touch with a huge, magnificent love energy, and at that instant I knew all my mistakes, all things that I did wrong, but at the same time I felt that I am still loved unconditionally. This energy did not judge me, I did.
Panache you made me cry....that was soooo beautiful!!!
It is a loving embrace of security that gives you wings in whatever you do. To me it is the ultimate extension of the motherly and fatherly love received when I was born.
heaven & hell is a mental state - just a concept/idea.thats it.heaven,hell & sin - dogma/doctrine created by religious leaders.
Right
That’s your limited perception and assumptions based on your limited learning. Seek to learn and understand more and you’ll see different.
Thank you for this thoughtful discussion! I would always be somewhat suspicious of persons who say things like "Oh, Hitler's forgiven and in heaven now!" or "Hitler, like most humans, is burning with unimaginable torment in endless hell!" Christians know that Jesus says "No one comes to the Father except through me." Universalists know that ALL will be lifted up - every human, animal, etc.; but maybe Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. might take more years or centuries or millennia to get there than Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandella, etc. Reincarnation (many lives) exponents say that each of us may have been a Hitler and a Mother Theresa, a murderer and a murder victim, in who knows how many past lives, and God says "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more." !!! :) :) :)
ain't no 'maybe'. each and every soul comes from God. everyone goes to heaven unless they choose not to. God loves everyone the same. God loves Hitler as much as he loves you. God loves Mother Teresa as much as he loves Lizzie Borden. God's love is all embracing and all encompassing.
Grear
Our purpose as souls is to help life evolve through love. There is a bigger picture going on that, for example; if one person commits an atrocity on another one person then it was planned that way, for the purpose of them both giving a gift of love to those that are close to them in life. Pain always reveals the wrong and creates an opportunity to do the opposite, to love. A killer gives a family and loved ones the opportunity to love more by forgiving, learning compassion, sympathy, etc. Raising their frequencies higher. The opposite is not learning to love and lowering the frequency.
If one man creates an influence that brings a National or international atrocity then it too does the same thing in a larger scale to a population of people. The first example is akin to talking to a few people. Hitler is talking to millions over decades and helping humanity to evolve and change for the better. For this purpose, the higher laws are fulfilled.
The same can be said for Christians who believed in Judas betraying Jesus. His actions were in support of fulfilling the story of Jesus and bringing love to millions over centuries. So, would Hitler be in a hell or a heaven if his purpose for being a villain on a larger scale was to teach humanity not to commit genocide and war but to bring about a collective peace and consciousness that supports life? How you perceive it reveals your own level of awareness and love learnt during your own life.
Excellent discussion. Love it!
That was beauty. Thank you.
What exactly heaven and hell are, can be understood through Hinduism only. It is a religion that evolved on its own and goes to the very basics of god.
According to Hinduism, an idea is converted into an action in seven stages, each of which is represented by a Hindu god.
They are,
1. Day dreaming - Indra / Later, god of HEAVEN
2. Illusion - Shakti
3. Creativity - Brahma
4. Stabilization - Vishnu
5. Determination - Shiva
6. Status alteration - Shani
7. Compulsion - Yama / Later, god of HELL.
Together, they form the Hindu supreme god, Brahman.
An idea can be converted into an action from any stage. However, later the stage of conversion of idea into an action, more independent would it be from rest of the activities.
Vishnu is the default Hindu god. It is more reliable than any other god.
It is obvious that the purpose of heaven and hell is to abolish day dreaming and compulsion, over which most people don't have control.
Thus, existence of Heaven and Hell is a belief and they factually exist within us.
I love that 33 vibration number
And the universal declaration on human nature of embracing unconditional love as it's available infinite
Well said❤
What is energy ! Its one of the hardest questions to answer
OMG, Beautiful 😭
Shariputra, form doesn't differ from emptiness, emptiness, doesn't not differ from form. Everything in life is the microcosm of the universe consciousness. We are identical to the stars, all life forms, nature and the universe as a whole. Each of us have a nature, positive and negative, but it isnt option A or B of the two polarity, but it's the middle way of the two extremes, which creates balance.
The other part is you see your life review often from a higher place and you may think “I could have done better.” If you’re here to learn as well, then Hitler may want to come back to practice compassion, as his own choice.
If there's no hell then the people who committed horrible crime should get karma and stay on this earth
A true teacher should be bold enough to speak up the truth. If he or she really know universe well and trust universe. Not just use the name of love to avoid the answer.
do you think they avoid to answer. they didn't. she said she didn't know which is true 'cause she and he didn't know.
None of them answered the question. Of course, we don't know. But to speak of love…that is not the answer. If we, poor mortals, have to pay for our little mistakes why someone like Hitler will not?? As simple as that.
All I heard was four people not answer the question. They refused to commit to the truth; which is that Hitler (soul) went to heaven. Everyone does who chooses it for themselves. That was disappointing to me. It made it seem as if keeping their fans happy was more important than telling the truth and risk disappointing them. They (audience members) aren't children, you know. They deserve to know the truth. Peace to you.
It could be that they are in fact unsure, though they may be leaning 99% the way of love and forgiveness for all. Some have claimed they died and saw hell. What is that? I myself do not understand a need for hell, nor do I believe it. But there may be a very unpleasant state that one may find themselves in, if they have been horribly cruel and negative. But in no way would I ever be convinced they would stay there, stuck beyond will. Maybe they go to a place if they feel they are deserving, but no one deserves misery, just as they should have never dished it out in the first place. A wrong in retaliation does not make a right. To understand this...imagine your brother is this so called evil person. Where would you have him go? I think we all know the answer, and if one does not feel the need to love and protect the brother...even though he has been so thoughtless and cruel...you would not understand or know true unconditional love. I figured this out by the age of 10 by asking myself this question. What would I do if I were God? Love and complete Forgiveness is the answer that came to me from within. A knowing.
Yes heaven and hell exist, Buddha clarified this much before Jesus Christ.But both Hell and Heven is transient in nature. 😊
Loved
rise and soar
Panache
You create your own heaven and hell
Every one that has died is dead awaiting one of three different resurrections, dependent on which spiritual state they died.Jesus Christ emphatically and clearly stated, “And no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man [Christ]” (John 3:13). But notice: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day…For David is not ascended into the heavens” (Acts 2:29, 34).
Our own opinions are irrelevant!
Paneshe is a blabber mouth. Superfluous words. Too many words loses attention and meaning.
If hes in heven
Ied hate 2 see whos in hell
I was raised Catholic lived christian for some time now i am not religious but have my own set of beliefs i believe most of Brian Weiss theory of reincarnation and would like to discuss further what happens to evil people when they die im talking about violant rapists, pedophiles and people with yhe likes of phycopaths, sociopaths and the like wear would they be on the spiritual path it fall into the idea of good and evil, light and dark . As we see good and love in the world, we also see evil and hate understanding that as humans, we all experience and have the capacity to hate, but there is an element of evil that is somewhat different to the usual experience of all humans and hate. I am interested in discussing where does that element lie in the spiritual ralm?
No. Heaven and hell are basically immature concepts invented by the limited minds of men. Unfortunately, we don't get to "retire" in an idyllic environment. Instead, we "battle on" in lifetime after lifetime as our souls (hopefully) continue to learn and grow.
哈哈 西方的精神老師只要是被問到有關希特勒的事，都不敢說實話…
他们都说了实话，他们不知道。
任何不知道以外的回答我都不会相信，在我看来都有可能是撒谎
Read the bible. Hell exists. Hell is not on earth. Aspects exist but it's not hell because we can have a reprieve. Hell is endless pain. Right and wrong are ingrained in us by god.