The 64,000 dollar question, so many pros and cons for both sides, and it came down to who would be buying, It did have a good run, and was treated like royalty, then landed in a museum in the end ,thumbs up, great video
Quite apart from over 4000 RTs not to mention RTLs and RTWs, London was a market in itself. A reliable 'bus that was easy for the fitters would have had a good resale market when its work was done. Most of the RTs lasted from at least 1950 until the 1970s so the money wasted on the Leyland rear engined 'buses could have gone towards a sizeable fleet of FRMs. (I hated two sets of doors as people stormed into the centre which was really an exit and therefore cut out the driver's observation and probably paying a fare).
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@@johnjephcote7636 The easy way to fix that (which they do in the USA) is to let all the passengers off then close the central door before opening the front door.
Great video which I thoroughly enjoyed. You highlight all the relevant facts about the reason it was the only example built, and the merger of AEC with Leyland Motors was a real killer, and then British Leyland was formed.As you mentioned, Leyland had the Atlantean and Daimler Fleetline in production and didn’t want another competitor. Also the Bus Grant ruled it out, as it was not a production bus. However, I did ride on it several times when it was on Route 76 operating from Tottenham Garage, and it really was a lovely bus. The suspension was really good, and it rode as well as the standard Routemasters, something which no other rear engined buses did ! It’s good it is now preserved, and it appears at certain rallies. It really is worth a visit to have a ride !
1990-93 ish, she was parked out the back of Fulwell Bus Garage. There was a team there that was refurbishing busses for private sale and museums, I was working in the stores at the time. The story inside LT at the time was that politics that forced the DMS on LT rather than accept the FRM. The DMS was considered by the mechanics as a pig. It was difficult to work on, many parts you could not access without taking the engine out, this included many service parts and when you have a fleet rotor that needs them checked, possibly changed every 4 weeks, things pile up. They were also plagued with electrical and overheating problems. They were happy to be rid of them.
In fairness, there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the Daimler Fleetline, which was considered the best of the first generation of rear-engined 'deckers by bus operators throughout Britain. The problem was, firstly that London Transport specified all sorts of extra features which complicated the design, and secondly, they were unable or unwilling to adapt their maintenance systems to deal with a new type of vehicle. They had been accustomed to garages doing very little beyond running maintenance and relying on Aldenham to do full overhauls and major jobs, and the semi-integral nature of the Fleetline was unsuitable for that system. If proof were needed, when the DMSs were sold off prematurely, some after seeing little use over five or six years, many of them went on to give their second owners fifteen, twenty or even more years of faithful service. The truth is LT has a long history of making foolish procurement decisions.
When I was a youngster growing up in Riddlesdown I rode FRM1 many times on the 234 service from Purley up the steep pull to Mitchley Avenue. I remember it being smoother riding, quieter, and generally more comfortable than RMs, and in a completely different league to the hard-riding rattly old RTs that were previously on the 234. At that time it may well have been LT's single best bus. I'm glad it's now preserved! Am I the only person in the USA (I now live in SoCal) that's actually ridden FRM1?
Hello! Thanks for your memories of riding the FRM! Perhaps you are the only one in the US who rode it. And I'm the only one in the USA who made a video on it, LOL. Thank you for watching!!!
I've had the pleasure of riding this beauty at a rally in the 1980s. And yes London's bus scene would have been different in the 80s as we wouldn't have needed all those Metrobuses and Titans. They would have likely started to be replaced by the end of the 90's which means there would have been a huge fleet of 10 year old step-entrance buses that would have been redundant within a decade, just like the Fleetlines but for different reasons. Excellent video sir. As a Londoner, I applaud your pronunciations, you are free to ignore me and continue to use US versions but locally Chiswick is pronounced "Chi-sick", the "w" is silent, on this occasion, like Greenwich is pronounced "Gren-ich". UK English is sometimes baffling. Even to the English. ;-)
Government interference x2. One Person Operion is a distortion caused by the tax system. The Selective Employment Tax introduced in the 1960s made it unduly expensive to employ conductors. OPO caused an almost doubling ofvjourney times and extra congestion. Then the government messed up by withdrawal of funds. The original 64 seat Routemaster with crew would still be the best bus for London and many other large cities all over the world instead of the heavyweight behemoths that are the norm today. The only desirable changes would be platform doors and cleaner exhaust.
Hello! Thanks for your memories of the FRM! Thanks for the clarification on the place names. We have Greenwich Village in NYC and Greenwich, Connecticut, both are said with the 'w' as being silent as well! Thanks for watching!!
In the late 90’s I was one of the guys that reactivated the bus to full class 6 standard and I drove her on many occasions, it had its issues with cooling and still dose the AV 691 also had issue with localised boiling within the engine and it’s basic design was the basis for the AV760 a much better engine, the steering can be a bit heavy at low speed but overall a great vehicle I drove her on the Routemaster 40 event with full loads all day, if it had been put into production I’m sure these problems would have been sorted out, my good friend Barry drive her at Potter Bar when she was there he loved the bus , he’s now in his 70’s and still bus diving . Sadly she was not out at the RM70 event last weekend due to cooling system problems
@@JeffreyOrnstein No problem, FRM 1 is a good bus and could have been excellent like the RM , they all had there issues in development and early production but the RM came good in time , when the RML's were overhauled in the 90's more issue got thrown up from the re engining and B frame modification and the move to asbestos free brake linings it's all part of the buses history, there planety know more then me but this is just my direct knowledge of my time with London Buses and time helping at London Transport Museum
You should cover the best bus in the history of mankind Jeffrey, the original Routemaster. Highly advanced for their time in the late 50s with a fully automatic gearbox plus manual override, PAS and dual hydraulic brakes. Monocoque construction with two steel subframes. It was not unusual during maintenance at Aldenham for body snatches, different buses ending up on other RM subframes. Brilliant to drive and I've driven many from a 1933 Leyland Tiger, ex Bournemouth Corporation to Leyland Titans, MCWs, Bristol VRs and many others Routemasters will run rings around them all. The RMA airport versions with their larger engines and higher ratio back axles could easily top 70mph on the M4 motorway although they were officially restricted to 50mph 😉 due to towing a trailer for the luggage, no tachos back then though. The RMC Greenline coach versions also had a larger engine, high ratio back axle and more comfortable seating. I learnt to drive on RMA & RMC training buses at Chiswick Works and Training Centre back in 1985. We also had the infamous skid pan there which was great fun 😁 Best training in the world and it was a big loss when they closed Chiswick. I have no doubt that the upturn in accidents is due to the training at the garages now not being half as good as it was at Chiswick. They were evil bar****s those old ex army instructors but they got the best out of you.
Hello! Good idea about the Routemaster - will consider it (after I do every other bus that doesn't get attention, LOL). Very interesting information on your driver training! Thank you very much for watching!!
I was in first year of my engineering apprenticeship in 1967 at Aldenham and remember that FRM1. Which was Chiswick's new flag ship. A couple of times it would come into Aldenham. But at the same time we would see two designs the XA and XF competing against each other for the outer London country regions. I seem remember that they came from East Grinstead garage. The FRM really was no match against them. XA's Atlanteans became the AN"s and went on to serve country surban areas and XF fleetline would become the DM/DMS. If one operation had been approved earlier maybe the FRM may have been a viable vehicle. To little to late. Such a beautiful looking vehicle.
@@JeffreyOrnstein Hi Jeffrey, if your not already acquainted with the London Omnibus Traction Society has a great achive of information and updates regularly with information on vehicles new and old.
Love the mini film on this type. First aware of it in a library book 'London Buses in Camera' by John A. Gray, which I borrowd a thousand times in the early 70's. Was surprised to see it in early 80's on the Round London Sightseeing Tour. Sadly, it was too little too late and LT didn't notice trends, namely Atlateans/Fleetlines and develop the FRM earlier. Thought if LT did go ahead with this model, they may have fitted a central exit door, like the DMS.
Excellent vidro aa usual Jeff, but I HAVE to take issue with you regarding the "DMS Debacle". How it was dealt with within LT possibly, but the DMS itself was nothing like as bad as it has been painted. Certainly, from my investigations, having owned and run many examples of DMS over the years, it basically came down to "If it's getting rid of an RM, we'll damn well MAKE sure it will fail." There's a story that an LT engineering director was on holiday in Hong Kong and he visited CMB who ran hundreds of them, in ridiculous temperatures, conditions and loadings and asked his Hong Kong counterpart how their's lasted so long and performed so well. He replied.. "Oh, that's easy. We make sure that we put oil and water in ours!!" I think that says everything it needs to. Lol.
Hello! I'm glad you liked the video!!! As for the DMS issue, please understand I was just using the word 'debacle' in relation to LT. There have been some DMS buses that were bought second-hand for tour bus operators in US cities such as New York, Philadelphia, and a few others. They did the job they were intended for! Thank you for watching!!
@JeffreyOrnstein Fair enough. I did say I agreed if it was how LT dealt with it. With knowing and even respecting them, I just wanted to balance it out a bit, but you have sort of done that yourself now, so thanks for that.
Another interesting vid. Bit of a stretch to suggest it was a success however. London Transport found the Swift/Merlin combo problematical,and, as you said, FRM 1 had a similar transmission layout. They may well have had similar problems with a bigger fleet of these. The apparent failure of the DMS class ia another story, and probably says more about LT than the Fleetline, which operated happily elsewhere for many years, including those that were cast off early by LT.
We started watching quite recently. We think the videos are great. Very relaxing viewing. More UK buses would be very welcome for us. In particular, because of some personal / family connections, I'd love to see some videos on Albion buses. Scottish and more in the 30s and 40s period.
Hello! Thank you for your kind comment! I'm really glad you like my videos!!! I'll look into the buses and time periods you mentioned! Thank you for watching!!
Fascinating video about my home town. Quick tip from a lifelong Londoner though, Tottenham is pronounced 'Tot-nem' and Chiswick is pronounced 'Chiz-ick'. Im certainly not criticising your delivery or your video so please take this comment as it was intended, as a little guidance on our oddly spelled town names. I'm a new subscriber today!
Hello! Thank you for subscribing! Glad you liked the video! Oh, yes, I need to learn the correct pronunciation of some of these neighborhoods and towns. Greenwich Village here in NYC is also pronounced with a silent W! Thanks for watching!
There are a few rules you can follow when pronouncing British place names. I can't list them all, but for example, if the name ends in "ham" you don't pronounce the H, it's more like "um". If it ends in "shire" it's pronounced like "shurr". Welsh names are something else! Good luck 😉
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As a British person, I actually prefer the American pronunciations
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@@igotes Not every British person pronounces the names like that.
You can say it however you like, I was just describing the most common pronunciation. I use some American words because I think they're more appropriate than the British versions. I prefer "sidewalk" to "pavement" but I wouldn't use it in normal conversation because people would laugh at me 🙂
Yay, titan B15 mentioned. My absolute favourite bus of all time. They had quite an interesting bit of history too, ongoing strikes, a lot of cancelled orders, etc, which is a shame as it was a great bus. It's good that the unique FRM1 still survives to this day. great video as always
Great video, I agree that these probably would have been better than the DMSs, but as the saying goes hindsight is always 20/20! As a general rule, English place names that end in "-wick" the w is usually silent- so "Chiswick" is pronounced "Chizzick". If you stick to that rule, you'll be right more than you're wrong!
Actually managed to ride it on the sightseeing tour in 1978 - seemed remarkably unremarkable for what was a prototype! Obviously the design worked well and would have been successful in production. The only thing I didn't like about the Routemaster and FRM1 was that the windows seemed rather small and/or set too low on the upper deck so it was hard to get a good view out!
I rode on this bus when it was on the 233 route in Croydon and was very impressed. One of the major reasons for its discontinuation was that the Government's Bus Grant scheme specified a chassis constructions and Routemasters were monocoque and therefore did not qualify while Atlanteans and Fleetlines did making them les than half the cost of a FRM.
Another excellent job Jeffrey, well done. The relatively minor problems on the prototype would have been easily sorted out had it gone into volume production. Sadly, it's yet another example of the politics which largely caused the demise of the British car, motorcycle and commercial vehicle industries.
London Transport with the RT and RM buses was geared to Aldenham type of modular maintenance with separable large components. The DMS was alien to existing LT maintenance practice. It was also a "cheaper" bus. Therefore it did not fare well. Most early 1960s rear-engined buses had cooling issues. The FRM was a better bus, but was by then too expensive to compete with the existing DMS (Daimler Fleetline). We will never know if the FRM would have been more cost effective and reliable in long term fleet service.
Hi Guy's it is Mr C. T. Boxill-Harris again I was thinking, Why couldn't you find other more 18 nice fresh Shiny Leyland Titan B15's and repaint them Also into a Imperial Cream and Green like the Essex East London Bus route H1 and 100 so they can Share a chance to run on the London Bus route such as the N6, 41 and that includes the bus route Number Four, if you guy needed that interesting idea's to let us know on the comment's down below so you can reuse those Imperial Cream and Green Leyland Titan B15's on those interesting London bus Route, Please can you reuse them within the Begining of Every November within Every Five and a Half Months Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Much Guy's😉😉😉😅😉😉😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😉😉😉😅😉😉😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃
I’ve seen concept drawing which included a single decker with XMS style bodywork and a duel door bus,another interesting project was the XRM cancelled in 1980 I have one impression drawing of it and it looks like an 8 wheeler the engine was going under the staircase can’t find too much about it ,great video I’m an ex RM driver on the 9&94 when I was based at S rode FRM 1 at a LT museum depot open day told the driver I was RM type trained and could I have a go he laughed and said years ago not now too much red tape mmm, All the best Mark 😊😊
Hello! Thanks for your memories of the FRM! As for the XRM, I have a publication titled "London Transport 1980," and in it is an entire article of the XRM! Lots of drawings of it! Could be a subject for a future video! Thanks for watching!
Very interesting and nostalgic, I went to school on Routemasters through 1959. A tip from an Englishman, Worcester [as in Worcester Bosch] is pronounced Wooster. English towns with Roman origins are pronounced, such as Leicester [Lester] Towcester [Toaster] Gloucester [Gloster] etc etc. Counties are handled the same except for the addition of shire [sheer] to Leicestershire [Lestersheer] We set it up that way to make it hard foreigners😁
Hello, glad you liked the video!!! Oh, yes, the pronunciation....you sure did make it hard for this New Yorker to know all of the correct ways to say all of your towns and neighborhoods, LOL. Thanks for watching!!
Having fixed, unopenable windows seems to be something of a reoccurring theme with buses designed for London. I am hinting, of course, at the new Routemaster. Another great video from the American master of the Routemaster!
Fixed windows was something of a fashion in the mid 1960s. Edinburgh Corporation 801 (ESF 801C) had panoramic windows and forced air ventilation with no opening windows. It quickly gained vents in the front and rear domes to assist upper deck conditions.
Great video. Just so you know, Chiswick is pronounced as if there were no W in the name- Chis-ick! That's pretty much the case with all place names ending in "wick" except for Lerwick in the Shetland Islands- where the W is pronounced!
Most 'wicks' in England are of Anglo Saxon origin, and 'wick' means farm. But good point about Lerwick which is different as it is Norse and the 'wick' part comes from Old Norse 'vik' which means 'bay'.
It should have been a success. But there were other rear engine buses already being built. Those single deckers you showed were attractive. As usual Jeffery, we’ll done.
The politics of British Leyland doomed the FRM from the start.Leyland did offer an AEC AV691 option for the Bristol VRL . They wanted LT to consider this longitudinal engine with front and rear doors in a manner used by the "Wrightmaster". Rear doors would be conductor operated and the front door would be suitable for driver only. The "Bristol VRL6A" wasn't to be alas. P S Too late now but the LTs should have been called the Wrightmaster.
Thanks for covering the UK Jeff! This bus was politically murdered, alas, thanks to Leyland, Socialism, conflicted Unions and political indifference! I always chuckle when I hear Americans complain that they have too many 'Socialists' in the States, often citing Bernie Sanders and AOC....Trust me! Having lived through a time in a country that Actually HAD Socialism...please believe me when I tell you that there are NO Socialists in the States lol. Leyland wanted to monopolize everything commercial in the UK...pretty much did it too, unfortunately lol. Of course, it would all end in tears, but sadly, it was too late for the FRM.
Hello! I'm really glad you liked the video! I could only hope that you are right about America not having any real socialists, LOL. I guess our definition is a little bit different than exists elsewhere. Thank you very much for watching!
Another fine video , off all buses I found the Rm's oused quality on a level never seen on other types ,I always put this down to them being for London transport ,I don't think we will see the likes again .A think more off the FRM types would have seen long service .
As part of the Green Line Golden Jubilee celebrations in 1980, FRM 1 took part in a cavalcade of vehicles that the public were allowed to ride on from Golders Green to Crawley one Sunday morning. Unfortunately, FRM 1 didn't make it to Crawley, it broke down near Trafalgar Square that day, and its passengers had to transfer to other vehicles!!
The fact that the original front engined Routemaster remained in use in London for so long tends to suggest that one man operation is not well suited for use in the busier parts of London. One man operation, with the driver collecting the fares, resulted in longer stops, increasing traffic congestion. I believe that this is now less of an issue, with payment usually being through the concactless Oyster card.
The FRM looks like what would happen if an RM had a Love child with a Daimler Fleetline! All RM apart from the fore section with the doors that looks more like a Daimler Fleetline (DMS)
Nice presentation, Jeffrey. There was also at least one front-entrance front engine Routemaster known as a RMF. Do you know anything about single deck Routemasters? Also, I recall a single deck RT being used as a canteen for drivers in the mid-60s, possibly at the Epping terminus.
Hello! Glad you liked the video! I have heard of and seen pictures of the single deck Routemaster. It could be a good idea for a future video, if I can find enough info on it. Thanks for watching!
What a shame circumstances didn't allow it to become a full blown model in AEC's offerings. It would have been interesting to see it modernise later. The B15 Titan was the closest it got. The first batch of Titans were in fact built at the AEC Southall works before its closure in mid 1979. The Titan also has National elements like the driver's cab area, front wheel centres and air operated throttle. The rear axles look to be AEC in origin. There was consideration of using the AEC factory to build the National before deciding on a new facility, so two could haves came to partly be.
This Bus arrived at POTTERS BAR when Doug Hayes was Engineering Foreman . We were told to be careful when working on this Bus ,only 1 spare engine and no spare gearbox . other parts same as RM,s (Electric doors same as MBs ) so into service it went, The only problem we had was overheating , we could not solve problem ,So brains from Chiswick came down to solve ,we changed engine ,you name it ,we changed, But problem did not go away ,brains from Chiswick did ... Back into service but every now and then it would return to garage overheating ..Then one day working on heating system because I do like a warm Bus (Its the first thing people say today when they get on my Buses ,its loverly and warm in here) I noticed the two rads on top deck what they are doing 1 n/s 1o/s at rear ...n/s sucking in air cooling engine warming bus interior up , BUT o/s hydraulic fan was going same way and sucked out warm air,. So without permission I swopped pipes around on o/s NOW FANS ARE WORKING AGAINST OTHER IN WINTER THEY COOLED ENGINE AND HEATED UP SALOON IN SUMMER FANS WOULD SUCK OUT AIR COOL ENGINE .Little did I know at time IT SOLVED THE OVER HEATING PROBLEM PERFECT BUS
Hello! Thanks for all of this very interesting information on FRM1! Glad you solved the overheating problem, that's really great! Thanks very much for watching!!
seems to have run same gearbox and diff as the atlatean,the then new"fully charged" flywheel was a leaker from day 1 and it sprayed directly onto the exhaust down pipe LOL
AEC sales were not confined to England. Before I found your show, I thought AEC was American, because I had seen the remains of a gasoline AEC with dual spark plugs per cylinder. It may have been from the early 1930's, but more likely 1920's.
Interesting! I know there were some AEC buses and a few other vehicles imported to the USA, but they never caught on...American manufacturers took the design and modified it and built their own versions. Thanks for watching!!
Hi there my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't most of you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 141, 210, 275, 168, 20, 125, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 217 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Cummins L10, Gardner 6LXC and those Leyland 680 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for instance the 121, N26, N29 and 123 and will also be include the North London and also would be including the East London Bus Route like for example the 221 Bus Route Number 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? Do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and will also include Living in areas such as East London Pretty Please? It is going to be one of each of the Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
Love the coverage, really didn't know about the FRM1. However, pronunciations. Chiswick is pronounced 'Cizik' and Totenham is pronounced 'Totnam'. I know, silly Brits.😊
Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for the suggestion, I Prefer to ride on any of the Leyland Titan B15 Buses if they are Being Repaired into the exact Colour Patterns as I would Love it and Needed it to be Please Oh by the way Like I said before are you Definitely Sure that you Will find a nice fresh shiny Leyland Titan B15s and Repaint them to the Exact Same Pattern Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green which was in the North London and East London bus route's such as 125, 20, 141, 275, 24, 66, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you will like to find about 17 Leyland Titan B15's so they can be Re-used for the North London Bus Route which is the London Bus route 41 for all of us Blue Triangle and Grey Green Leyland Titan B15 Bus Lovers out there Please? oh, could you also Please Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green, Blue Triangle Bus colours for all of us Grey Green Leyland Titan B15 Bus lovers out there Pretty Please? because it will be Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green, Blue Triangle Colours Is Because I am such a Big Fan of all of us Grey Green, Blue Triangle Leyland Titan B15 Bus lovers Please Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support? 😉😉😄👍😅👏👏😅👍😉👏😉😅
Much as I am not comfortable asking the depot why they stopped running the London Suburban Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW’s on routes N26, 30, 121, 230, 271, 349, N279 And 158 why can’t we make the same make of the Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Buses but Modernise the insides of these Buses. Also, make it low floor up and down and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more so there will be more space for the wheelchair users. By the way, if you could remake and Modernise these vehicles could they also make them into a Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Version’s that if it will be possible and Modernise the insides of these Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW’s make it low floor up and down and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more so there will be more space and even a London Suburban Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more. Why couldn’t we have those London Suburban Buse's Pale red on the top roof Pale red again on the top middle Milk Chocolate brown in the middle Creamy white on the Bottom Middle and Milk Chocolate Brown on the Bottom on most of those kinds of those Particular Double Decker Vehicles? Could you put the Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox in the Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and also put the Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearbox in the Volvo TD102KF Engine East Lancs Olympus and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more and also turn most of them to a London Suburban Buses. By the way, could you also make the routes N26, 349, 121, N279 and 271 into London Suburban Buses and have a mixture of a Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Versions. 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Can Arriva London Bus Company Replace Most of their Wight Buses so they can also transfer them to Birmingham and Also Manchester so they can be replaced by Loud 3-Speed ZF Ecomat Gearboxes Volvo D10A Engine East Lancs Olympus and also Extend the Middle body part of these Vehicles A Little Bit More Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Much. 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In my last comment I complimented your pronunciation, but there are some corrections to be made here. Other comments have mentioned Chiswick, but there's also Tottenham (Tot'num or Tottenum) and Aldenham (Oldenum). I didn't know Holborn was actually pronounced "Hoebun" until a few years ago so it's not just foreigners who struggle with place names! Anyway, interesting video, as ever!
On balance I believe that it would have been a better choice than the Fleetlines and the country Atlanteans. London Transport had a long tradition of designing its own very successful buses, specifically for London conditions and London Transport engineering pracitces. Any teething problems would have been ironed out. There were major teething problems with the early origional Routemasters which were all ironed out.
It was a similar story with Midland Red which also had a well-established policy of designing buses which suited their operating requirements. The sprawling Midland Red empire needed a different type of bus to London, where the dense population required a bus with a reliable stop-start capability and little need for a high top speed. Instead Midland Red wanted buses capable of cruising at 50 mph on the dual carriageways between many Midlands towns. The very successful D9, contemporary to the Routemaster and every bit its equal, was followed by the D10. The D10 was not rear engine like the FRM and the Atlantean, instead the engine was canted on its side and was between the two axles.
The DMSs were fine in their post London service, as they had their 'Londonness' removed:- such as interlocks on the doors, which prevented the bus from moving with the doors open.
a good read is a book called 40 years with london transport by colin curtis MBE. he worked within engineering depts within London Transport, he tells it from an engineering perspective from the buses of the 30s right upto and including the merlins, dms, titans ,metros it puts some rumours to bed that constantly surface in relation to why the merlin and dms were so unreliable. worth a read! he also wrote a book called ' the routemaster bus ' which i am awaiting delivery on.
I ticked this off in my Ian Allen bus spotters book back in the day. I think the RT was more iconic than the RM. What’s that behind FRM1 at 1:46 in the video?
Hello! Yes, the RT was much more numerous, but I think to people around the world...the RM is much more iconic. Most Americans would know an RM, but maybe not an RT. At 1:46, it looks like a Midland Red design, but I'm not sure! Thanks for watching!!!
For future videos set in England, when saying any place names ending in "wick" don't pronounce the "w". So, Chiswick becomes Chisick.we'll get you prononcing our place names like a native. Nice videoes, by the way.
Hello! Oh, yes, I need to remember this for future videos! I should have known...like Greenwich Village here in NYC...w is silent! Thanks for watching!!
The Route master you show at end of the video is to be withdrawn . I searched online and found this .‘Boris Buses’ may have only hit London’s roads 12 years ago, but newly re-elected Mayor Sadiq Khan has already ordered for them to be taken off the streets. Introduced when Boris Johnson was the London Mayor, the New Bus For London (NB4L), AKA the ‘Boris Bus’ was launched as a new version of the iconic Routemaster in 2012, costing the city £350 million.
Hello! Oh, that's interesting, that the Boris Bus is to be retired soon. I see lots of pics of new buses coming for London. Interesting. Thanks for watching!!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein What We are getting now are electric buses . My funny true story that I deliver that the title " I got range Anxiety by proxy " not being a driver I never thought that I would would get the range anxiety spoken about by EV drivers . But one day I was waiting for a bus at the bus station in Edgware Middlesex where I live , The EV buse arrived , I got one the bus , sat down , the got a low charge warning and told us all to get off . I then had range anxiety by proxy
FRM1 was a victim of BL’s empire, AEC became part of BL in 1968 as well as Guy Motors also by 1975 BL renamed the Daimler Fleetline as the Leyland Fleetline.
Never assume you know how English place names are pronounced, especially if you live across the Pond. Often, natives are caught out, too. Chiswick is pronounced "chissik".
I do wish you would learn how to pronounce London area nemes - dor a start tou don't pronounce the "W" in Chiswick!!!!! As for the "Borismasters"...... good interior everything else bad!!!! Alexander Dennis Enviro 400 Cities got it right!!!
Hi there, how are you Feeling Today. The reason why I needed you to send me longer and longer RUclips Videos of the Leyland Titan B15 Buses being Repainted in the Exact Same Grey Green Pattern Colours is Because I Prefer to ride on any of the Leyland Titan B15s if they are in service. Being Repainted in the exact Colour Patterns I would Love and Need it to be PLEASE? Oh by the way Like I said before are you Definitely Sure that you Will find nice fresh shiny Leyland Titan B15s and Repaint them to the Exact Same Pattern Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green which was in the North London and East London bus route's such as 125, 20, 141, 275, 66, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you will like to find about 17 Leyland Titan B15 Buses so they can be Re-used for the North London Bus Route which is the London Bus route 41 for all of us Grey Green Leyland Titan B15 Bus Lovers out there Pretty Please oh, could you also Please Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Pattern Colours for all of us Grey Green Leyland Titan B15 Bus lovers out there PLEASE. Because it will be Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Pattern Colours. Is Because I am such a Big Fan of all of us Grey Green, Leyland Titan B15 Bus lovers Please Thank You Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
The 64,000 dollar question, so many pros and cons for both sides, and it came down to who would be buying, It did have a good run, and was treated like royalty, then landed in a museum in the end ,thumbs up, great video
Hello! Yes, exactly...but at least it was saved, so that is good! Thanks for watching!
@@JeffreyOrnstein looks like it was saved with honors 🎖
Quite apart from over 4000 RTs not to mention RTLs and RTWs, London was a market in itself. A reliable 'bus that was easy for the fitters would have had a good resale market when its work was done. Most of the RTs lasted from at least 1950 until the 1970s so the money wasted on the Leyland rear engined 'buses could have gone towards a sizeable fleet of FRMs. (I hated two sets of doors as people stormed into the centre which was really an exit and therefore cut out the driver's observation and probably paying a fare).
@@johnjephcote7636 The easy way to fix that (which they do in the USA) is to let all the passengers off then close the central door before opening the front door.
Great video which I thoroughly enjoyed. You highlight all the relevant facts about the reason it was the only example built, and the merger of AEC with Leyland Motors was a real killer, and then British Leyland was formed.As you mentioned, Leyland had the Atlantean and Daimler Fleetline in production and didn’t want another competitor. Also the Bus Grant ruled it out, as it was not a production bus. However, I did ride on it several times when it was on Route 76 operating from Tottenham Garage, and it really was a lovely bus. The suspension was really good, and it rode as well as the standard Routemasters, something which no other rear engined buses did !
It’s good it is now preserved, and it appears at certain rallies. It really is worth a visit to have a ride !
Hello! Thank you for your memories of the FRM! And thank you very much for watching!!
1990-93 ish, she was parked out the back of Fulwell Bus Garage. There was a team there that was refurbishing busses for private sale and museums, I was working in the stores at the time. The story inside LT at the time was that politics that forced the DMS on LT rather than accept the FRM. The DMS was considered by the mechanics as a pig. It was difficult to work on, many parts you could not access without taking the engine out, this included many service parts and when you have a fleet rotor that needs them checked, possibly changed every 4 weeks, things pile up. They were also plagued with electrical and overheating problems. They were happy to be rid of them.
Thank you for your experience working on LT buses! And thank you very much for watching!!
In fairness, there was nothing fundamentally wrong with the Daimler Fleetline, which was considered the best of the first generation of rear-engined 'deckers by bus operators throughout Britain. The problem was, firstly that London Transport specified all sorts of extra features which complicated the design, and secondly, they were unable or unwilling to adapt their maintenance systems to deal with a new type of vehicle. They had been accustomed to garages doing very little beyond running maintenance and relying on Aldenham to do full overhauls and major jobs, and the semi-integral nature of the Fleetline was unsuitable for that system. If proof were needed, when the DMSs were sold off prematurely, some after seeing little use over five or six years, many of them went on to give their second owners fifteen, twenty or even more years of faithful service. The truth is LT has a long history of making foolish procurement decisions.
When I was a youngster growing up in Riddlesdown I rode FRM1 many times on the 234 service from Purley up the steep pull to Mitchley Avenue. I remember it being smoother riding, quieter, and generally more comfortable than RMs, and in a completely different league to the hard-riding rattly old RTs that were previously on the 234. At that time it may well have been LT's single best bus. I'm glad it's now preserved! Am I the only person in the USA (I now live in SoCal) that's actually ridden FRM1?
Hello! Thanks for your memories of riding the FRM! Perhaps you are the only one in the US who rode it. And I'm the only one in the USA who made a video on it, LOL. Thank you for watching!!!
Another excellent historical document - Kudos for your diligent research.
Thank you for your nice comment, and thank you very much for watching!!
I've had the pleasure of riding this beauty at a rally in the 1980s. And yes London's bus scene would have been different in the 80s as we wouldn't have needed all those Metrobuses and Titans. They would have likely started to be replaced by the end of the 90's which means there would have been a huge fleet of 10 year old step-entrance buses that would have been redundant within a decade, just like the Fleetlines but for different reasons. Excellent video sir.
As a Londoner, I applaud your pronunciations, you are free to ignore me and continue to use US versions but locally Chiswick is pronounced "Chi-sick", the "w" is silent, on this occasion, like Greenwich is pronounced "Gren-ich". UK English is sometimes baffling. Even to the English. ;-)
Government interference x2. One Person Operion is a distortion caused by the tax system. The Selective Employment Tax introduced in the 1960s made it unduly expensive to employ conductors. OPO caused an almost doubling ofvjourney times and extra congestion. Then the government messed up by withdrawal of funds.
The original 64 seat Routemaster with crew would still be the best bus for London and many other large cities all over the world instead of the heavyweight behemoths that are the norm today.
The only desirable changes would be platform doors and cleaner exhaust.
Hello! Thanks for your memories of the FRM! Thanks for the clarification on the place names. We have Greenwich Village in NYC and Greenwich, Connecticut, both are said with the 'w' as being silent as well! Thanks for watching!!
Good effort Jeffrey. Tottenham is pronounced 'Tott-nam' by locals btw
AEC ….. Gone but definitely NOT FORGOTTEN ❤️
Oh yes! Thanks for watching!
I love the pronunciation of the London areas by Jeffrey. Another excellent video 😊
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@@justinhamilton497 That’s nothing. I lose tooth enamel when the BBC try to pronounce Kirkcaldy.
Me too, I actually prefer his pronunciations because they make more sense.
In the late 90’s I was one of the guys that reactivated the bus to full class 6 standard and I drove her on many occasions, it had its issues with cooling and still dose the AV 691 also had issue with localised boiling within the engine and it’s basic design was the basis for the AV760 a much better engine, the steering can be a bit heavy at low speed but overall a great vehicle I drove her on the Routemaster 40 event with full loads all day, if it had been put into production I’m sure these problems would have been sorted out, my good friend Barry drive her at Potter Bar when she was there he loved the bus , he’s now in his 70’s and still bus diving . Sadly she was not out at the RM70 event last weekend due to cooling system problems
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@@JeffreyOrnstein No problem, FRM 1 is a good bus and could have been excellent like the RM , they all had there issues in development and early production but the RM came good in time , when the RML's were overhauled in the 90's more issue got thrown up from the re engining and B frame modification and the move to asbestos free brake linings it's all part of the buses history, there planety know more then me but this is just my direct knowledge of my time with London Buses and time helping at London Transport Museum
You should cover the best bus in the history of mankind Jeffrey, the original Routemaster. Highly advanced for their time in the late 50s with a fully automatic gearbox plus manual override, PAS and dual hydraulic brakes. Monocoque construction with two steel subframes. It was not unusual during maintenance at Aldenham for body snatches, different buses ending up on other RM subframes.
Brilliant to drive and I've driven many from a 1933 Leyland Tiger, ex Bournemouth Corporation to Leyland Titans, MCWs, Bristol VRs and many others
Routemasters will run rings around them all.
The RMA airport versions with their larger engines and higher ratio back axles could easily top 70mph on the M4 motorway although they were officially restricted to 50mph 😉 due to towing a trailer for the luggage, no tachos back then though.
The RMC Greenline coach versions also had a larger engine, high ratio back axle and more comfortable seating.
I learnt to drive on RMA & RMC training buses at Chiswick Works and Training Centre back in 1985. We also had the infamous skid pan there which was great fun 😁
Best training in the world and it was a big loss when they closed Chiswick. I have no doubt that the upturn in accidents is due to the training at the garages now not being half as good as it was at Chiswick.
They were evil bar****s those old ex army instructors but they got the best out of you.
Hello! Good idea about the Routemaster - will consider it (after I do every other bus that doesn't get attention, LOL). Very interesting information on your driver training! Thank you very much for watching!!
I was in first year of my engineering apprenticeship in 1967 at Aldenham and remember that FRM1. Which was Chiswick's new flag ship. A couple of times it would come into Aldenham. But at the same time we would see two designs the XA and XF competing against each other for the outer London country regions. I seem remember that they came from East Grinstead garage. The FRM really was no match against them. XA's Atlanteans became the AN"s and went on to serve country surban areas and XF fleetline would become the DM/DMS. If one operation had been approved earlier maybe the FRM may have been a viable vehicle. To little to late. Such a beautiful looking vehicle.
My father Billy is now 79 years of age and I write on his behave. Jade.
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Thank you for writing on your father's behalf!!!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein Hi Jeffrey, if your not already acquainted with the London Omnibus Traction Society has a great achive of information and updates regularly with information on vehicles new and old.
Love the mini film on this type. First aware of it in a library book 'London Buses in Camera' by John A. Gray, which I borrowd a thousand times in the early 70's. Was surprised to see it in early 80's on the Round London Sightseeing Tour. Sadly, it was too little too late and LT didn't notice trends, namely Atlateans/Fleetlines and develop the FRM earlier. Thought if LT did go ahead with this model, they may have fitted a central exit door, like the DMS.
Hello! Thank you very much, I'm really glad you liked it! Thank you for watching!!
Excellent vidro aa usual Jeff, but I HAVE to take issue with you regarding the "DMS Debacle".
How it was dealt with within LT possibly, but the DMS itself was nothing like as bad as it has been painted.
Certainly, from my investigations, having owned and run many examples of DMS over the years, it basically came down to "If it's getting rid of an RM, we'll damn well MAKE sure it will fail."
There's a story that an LT engineering director was on holiday in Hong Kong and he visited CMB who ran hundreds of them, in ridiculous temperatures, conditions and loadings and asked his Hong Kong counterpart how their's lasted so long and performed so well.
He replied.. "Oh, that's easy. We make sure that we put oil and water in ours!!"
I think that says everything it needs to. Lol.
Hello! I'm glad you liked the video!!! As for the DMS issue, please understand I was just using the word 'debacle' in relation to LT. There have been some DMS buses that were bought second-hand for tour bus operators in US cities such as New York, Philadelphia, and a few others. They did the job they were intended for! Thank you for watching!!
@JeffreyOrnstein Fair enough. I did say I agreed if it was how LT dealt with it.
With knowing and even respecting them, I just wanted to balance it out a bit, but you have sort of done that yourself now, so thanks for that.
Another interesting vid. Bit of a stretch to suggest it was a success however. London Transport found the Swift/Merlin combo problematical,and, as you said, FRM 1 had a similar transmission layout. They may well have had similar problems with a bigger fleet of these.
The apparent failure of the DMS class ia another story, and probably says more about LT than the Fleetline, which operated happily elsewhere for many years, including those that were cast off early by LT.
Hello! Thanks for your insights, and thank you for watching!
We started watching quite recently. We think the videos are great. Very relaxing viewing. More UK buses would be very welcome for us.
In particular, because of some personal / family connections, I'd love to see some videos on Albion buses. Scottish and more in the 30s and 40s period.
Hello! Thank you for your kind comment! I'm really glad you like my videos!!! I'll look into the buses and time periods you mentioned! Thank you for watching!!
Fascinating video about my home town.
Quick tip from a lifelong Londoner though, Tottenham is pronounced 'Tot-nem' and Chiswick is pronounced 'Chiz-ick'.
Im certainly not criticising your delivery or your video so please take this comment as it was intended, as a little guidance on our oddly spelled town names.
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Hello! Thank you for subscribing! Glad you liked the video! Oh, yes, I need to learn the correct pronunciation of some of these neighborhoods and towns. Greenwich Village here in NYC is also pronounced with a silent W! Thanks for watching!
There are a few rules you can follow when pronouncing British place names. I can't list them all, but for example, if the name ends in "ham" you don't pronounce the H, it's more like "um". If it ends in "shire" it's pronounced like "shurr". Welsh names are something else! Good luck 😉
As a British person, I actually prefer the American pronunciations
@@igotes Not every British person pronounces the names like that.
You can say it however you like, I was just describing the most common pronunciation.
I use some American words because I think they're more appropriate than the British versions. I prefer "sidewalk" to "pavement" but I wouldn't use it in normal conversation because people would laugh at me 🙂
Yay, titan B15 mentioned. My absolute favourite bus of all time. They had quite an interesting bit of history too, ongoing strikes, a lot of cancelled orders, etc, which is a shame as it was a great bus. It's good that the unique FRM1 still survives to this day. great video as always
Hello! Thanks for watching, much appreciated!
In late 80s this was used between Barking and Liverpool Street as a replacement during engineering work on the train line,
Thanks for the additional info, and thanks for watching!
Fascinating story, well researched and presented. I enjoyed this, nice job.
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Great video, I agree that these probably would have been better than the DMSs, but as the saying goes hindsight is always 20/20!
As a general rule, English place names that end in "-wick" the w is usually silent- so "Chiswick" is pronounced "Chizzick". If you stick to that rule, you'll be right more than you're wrong!
Sometimes you will be wrong, as in Jaywick. And sometimes nowhere near, as the Lancashire town Barnoldswick is pronounced 'Barlick'.
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I'm glad that it was preserved.
Me too! Thank for watching!
Grew up on this route, still living in tottenham. I even used to drive the 76 when i was at NP garage with Go-Ahead (ex first)
Thanks for your memories of this route! And thank you for watching!!
Actually managed to ride it on the sightseeing tour in 1978 - seemed remarkably unremarkable for what was a prototype! Obviously the design worked well and would have been successful in production. The only thing I didn't like about the Routemaster and FRM1 was that the windows seemed rather small and/or set too low on the upper deck so it was hard to get a good view out!
Hello! Very interesting! Didn't know that about the windows! Thanks for watching!!
I love this unique bus. Glad the Titan B15 was mentioned it's my all time favourite bus.
Hello! Yes, it's a very interesting bus! Thank you for watching!!
I rode on this bus when it was on the 233 route in Croydon and was very impressed. One of the major reasons for its discontinuation was that the Government's Bus Grant scheme specified a chassis constructions and Routemasters were monocoque and therefore did not qualify while Atlanteans and Fleetlines did making them les than half the cost of a FRM.
Hello! Thanks for the extra info, and thanks for watching!!!
Another excellent job Jeffrey, well done. The relatively minor problems on the prototype would have been easily sorted out had it gone into volume production. Sadly, it's yet another example of the politics which largely caused the demise of the British car, motorcycle and commercial vehicle industries.
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London Transport with the RT and RM buses was geared to Aldenham type of modular maintenance with separable large components. The DMS was alien to existing LT maintenance practice. It was also a "cheaper" bus. Therefore it did not fare well. Most early 1960s rear-engined buses had cooling issues. The FRM was a better bus, but was by then too expensive to compete with the existing DMS (Daimler Fleetline). We will never know if the FRM would have been more cost effective and reliable in long term fleet service.
Hello! Thanks for the information and the experience with the FRM and other buses! Thanks for watching!!!
Hi Guy's it is Mr C. T. Boxill-Harris again I was thinking, Why couldn't you find other more 18 nice fresh Shiny Leyland Titan B15's and repaint them Also into a Imperial Cream and Green like the Essex East London Bus route H1 and 100 so they can Share a chance to run on the London Bus route such as the N6, 41 and that includes the bus route Number Four, if you guy needed that interesting idea's to let us know on the comment's down below so you can reuse those Imperial Cream and Green Leyland Titan B15's on those interesting London bus Route, Please can you reuse them within the Begining of Every November within Every Five and a Half Months Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Much Guy's😉😉😉😅😉😉😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😉😉😉😅😉😉😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😀😃😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃😅😀😀😃😅😀😃😀😃😀😀😃
I seem to remember boarding and inspecting this 'bus at the Commercial Motor Show.
Must have been nice to go into it! Thanks for watching!
I’ve seen concept drawing which included a single decker with XMS style bodywork and a duel door bus,another interesting project was the XRM cancelled in 1980 I have one impression drawing of it and it looks like an 8 wheeler the engine was going under the staircase can’t find too much about it ,great video I’m an ex RM driver on the 9&94 when I was based at S rode FRM 1 at a LT museum depot open day told the driver I was RM type trained and could I have a go he laughed and said years ago not now too much red tape mmm,
All the best
Mark 😊😊
Hello! Thanks for your memories of the FRM! As for the XRM, I have a publication titled "London Transport 1980," and in it is an entire article of the XRM! Lots of drawings of it! Could be a subject for a future video! Thanks for watching!
@@JeffreyOrnsteinplease Jeffrey a video on the XRM would be great 😊
Very interesting and nostalgic, I went to school on Routemasters through 1959. A tip from an Englishman, Worcester [as in Worcester Bosch] is pronounced Wooster.
English towns with Roman origins are pronounced, such as Leicester [Lester] Towcester [Toaster] Gloucester [Gloster] etc etc. Counties are handled the same except for the addition of shire [sheer] to Leicestershire [Lestersheer] We set it up that way to make it hard foreigners😁
Hello, glad you liked the video!!! Oh, yes, the pronunciation....you sure did make it hard for this New Yorker to know all of the correct ways to say all of your towns and neighborhoods, LOL. Thanks for watching!!
Having fixed, unopenable windows seems to be something of a reoccurring theme with buses designed for London. I am hinting, of course, at the new Routemaster. Another great video from the American master of the Routemaster!
Hello Melanie! Thank you as always for watching my videos!!!
Fixed windows was something of a fashion in the mid 1960s. Edinburgh Corporation 801 (ESF 801C) had panoramic windows and forced air ventilation with no opening windows. It quickly gained vents in the front and rear domes to assist upper deck conditions.
Driven both of them. We had RM’s and FRM1 was at our depot for a public open day.
Hello! Thanks very much for watching!!
Great video. Just so you know, Chiswick is pronounced as if there were no W in the name- Chis-ick! That's pretty much the case with all place names ending in "wick" except for Lerwick in the Shetland Islands- where the W is pronounced!
Alden-am
@NickRatnieks
I come from near Invergordon, in Cromarty-shire north of Inverness, virtually everyone I grew up with pronounces Lerwick as "Lerrick".
Most 'wicks' in England are of Anglo Saxon origin, and 'wick' means farm. But good point about Lerwick which is different as it is Norse and the 'wick' part comes from Old Norse 'vik' which means 'bay'.
Hello! Thanks for the clarification! Thank you for watching!
Thanks!
Thank you so much again! I can't tell you how much I appreciate it! I'm very happy you enjoy my videos!! Thank you again!!!
It should have been a success. But there were other rear engine buses already being built. Those single deckers you showed were attractive. As usual Jeffery, we’ll done.
Thank you, I'm really glad you liked it, thanks again for watching!!
The politics of British Leyland doomed the FRM from the start.Leyland did offer an AEC AV691 option for the Bristol VRL .
They wanted LT to consider this longitudinal engine with front and rear doors in a manner used by the "Wrightmaster". Rear doors would be conductor operated and the front door would be suitable for driver only.
The "Bristol VRL6A" wasn't to be alas.
P S Too late now but the LTs should have been called the Wrightmaster.
Thanks for the insight into the FRM! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for covering the UK Jeff! This bus was politically murdered, alas, thanks to Leyland, Socialism, conflicted Unions and political indifference!
I always chuckle when I hear Americans complain that they have too many 'Socialists' in the States, often citing Bernie Sanders and AOC....Trust me! Having lived through a time in a country that Actually HAD Socialism...please believe me when I tell you that there are NO Socialists in the States lol.
Leyland wanted to monopolize everything commercial in the UK...pretty much did it too, unfortunately lol. Of course, it would all end in tears, but sadly, it was too late for the FRM.
Hello! I'm really glad you liked the video! I could only hope that you are right about America not having any real socialists, LOL. I guess our definition is a little bit different than exists elsewhere. Thank you very much for watching!
Another fine video , off all buses I found the Rm's oused quality on a level never seen on other types ,I always put this down to them being for London transport ,I don't think we will see the likes again .A think more off the FRM types would have seen long service .
Thank you for your kind comment, and thank you very much for watching!!
As part of the Green Line Golden Jubilee celebrations in 1980, FRM 1 took part in a cavalcade of vehicles that the public were allowed to ride on from Golders Green to Crawley one Sunday morning. Unfortunately, FRM 1 didn't make it to Crawley, it broke down near Trafalgar Square that day, and its passengers had to transfer to other vehicles!!
Hello! Thank you for your recollections of FRM 1! Thank you for watching!
The fact that the original front engined Routemaster remained in use in London for so long tends to suggest that one man operation is not well suited for use in the busier parts of London. One man operation, with the driver collecting the fares, resulted in longer stops, increasing traffic congestion. I believe that this is now less of an issue, with payment usually being through the concactless Oyster card.
Thanks for the insight...very interesting!! Thanks for watching!
The FRM looks like what would happen if an RM had a Love child with a Daimler Fleetline! All RM apart from the fore section with the doors that looks more like a Daimler Fleetline (DMS)
LOL, I agree! Thank you for watching!!
I managed to see this vehicle in service in the 1960s, but unfortunately never rode in it.
Hello! Thank you for watching!!
Nice presentation, Jeffrey. There was also at least one front-entrance front engine Routemaster known as a RMF. Do you know anything about single deck Routemasters?
Also, I recall a single deck RT being used as a canteen for drivers in the mid-60s, possibly at the Epping terminus.
Hello! Glad you liked the video! I have heard of and seen pictures of the single deck Routemaster. It could be a good idea for a future video, if I can find enough info on it. Thanks for watching!
What a shame circumstances didn't allow it to become a full blown model in AEC's offerings.
It would have been interesting to see it modernise later.
The B15 Titan was the closest it got.
The first batch of Titans were in fact built at the AEC Southall works before its closure in mid 1979.
The Titan also has National elements like the driver's cab area, front wheel centres and air operated throttle. The rear axles look to be AEC in origin. There was consideration of using the AEC factory to build the National before deciding on a new facility, so two could haves came to partly be.
Hello! Thank you for the added information! And as always, thanks for watching!!
This Bus arrived at POTTERS BAR when Doug Hayes was Engineering Foreman . We were told to be careful when working on this Bus ,only 1 spare engine and no spare gearbox . other parts same as RM,s (Electric doors same as MBs ) so into service it went, The only problem we had was overheating , we could not solve problem ,So brains from Chiswick came down to solve ,we changed engine ,you name it ,we changed, But problem did not go away ,brains from Chiswick did ... Back into service but every now and then it would return to garage overheating ..Then one day working on heating system because I do like a warm Bus (Its the first thing people say today when they get on my Buses ,its loverly and warm in here) I noticed the two rads on top deck what they are doing 1 n/s 1o/s at rear ...n/s sucking in air cooling engine warming bus interior up , BUT o/s hydraulic fan was going same way and sucked out warm air,. So without permission I swopped pipes around on o/s NOW FANS ARE WORKING AGAINST OTHER IN WINTER THEY COOLED ENGINE AND HEATED UP SALOON IN SUMMER FANS WOULD SUCK OUT AIR COOL ENGINE .Little did I know at time IT SOLVED THE OVER HEATING PROBLEM PERFECT BUS
Hello! Thanks for all of this very interesting information on FRM1! Glad you solved the overheating problem, that's really great! Thanks very much for watching!!
seems to have run same gearbox and diff as the atlatean,the then new"fully charged" flywheel was a leaker from day 1 and it sprayed directly onto the exhaust down pipe LOL
Hello! Thanks for the additional info! Thanks for watching!
AEC sales were not confined to England. Before I found your show, I thought AEC was American, because I had seen the remains of a gasoline AEC with dual spark plugs per cylinder. It may have been from the early 1930's, but more likely 1920's.
Interesting! I know there were some AEC buses and a few other vehicles imported to the USA, but they never caught on...American manufacturers took the design and modified it and built their own versions. Thanks for watching!!
Interesting bus. I did not know about it. It sounds like it would of been a better option if they had built a fleet of them
Hello! Yes, it could have been a better option, definitely! Thanks for watching!!
I have ridden on this unique vehicle
Awesome! Must have been great to ride on such a rare bus! Thanks very much for watching!
I miss front opening windows on busses. They disappeared when one piece windscreens came in.
Thank you for watching!!
The Swift/Merlin single deckers were AEC not Leyland
Ok, thanks!
8:36 That is an RTL, not an AEC-engined RT...done up in early 1950s livery without the soon-to-be full destination blinds.
Ok, thanks.
Hi there my real Name is Mr Cannadine T. Boxill-Harris I was wondering, why couldn't most of you and your teammates can still do those Rebuilding and Repainting those nice fresh shiny Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses and Repaint them to a Grey Green Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green's which were in the North London and East London bus routes such as 141, 210, 275, 168, 20, 125, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you guys would like to Rebuild about 217 of Those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LX 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses can you and your teammates put most of those Cummins L10, Gardner 6LXC and those Leyland 680 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses to those East London and North London and that especially is including the London Bus such as those London Bus Routes such as for instance the 121, N26, N29 and 123 and will also be include the North London and also would be including the East London Bus Route like for example the 221 Bus Route Number 86 for all of us Grey Green bus lovers in North London and including East London For all of us passengers out there Pretty Please? could you Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green Bus Colour and put them on the London Bus Routes which are 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 149, 221, N73, 121, 86, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 for all of us Grey Green Bus lovers out there because we are Really Really desperately needed Are those types of colour buses to be brought back again Please? Do it for all of us customers and passengers in North London and will also include Living in areas such as East London Pretty Please? It is going to be one of each of the Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green Colour. I am a Big Fan of those Gardner 6LXB, Leyland 680, Volvo TD102KF, Cummins M11 and Gardner 6LXC 4 Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Transmission Alexander RH Buses Please? Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support.
where i live that bus was indeed mass produced, just not for london, the rest of the uk had them but they were renamed
That sounds quite interesting!
The half-cab front loaders seen here were withdrawn due to lack of guide rails...
Thanks for the info and thank you for watching!!
Love the coverage, really didn't know about the FRM1. However, pronunciations. Chiswick is pronounced 'Cizik' and Totenham is pronounced 'Totnam'. I know, silly Brits.😊
Hello! Glad you liked the video! Yes, I need to work on the pronunciation of these British towns and / or neighborhoods! Thanks for watching!!
Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for the suggestion, I Prefer to ride on any of the Leyland Titan B15 Buses if they are
Being Repaired into the exact Colour Patterns as I would Love it and Needed it to be Please
Oh by the way Like I said before are you Definitely Sure that you Will find a nice fresh shiny Leyland Titan B15s and Repaint them to the Exact Same Pattern Colours just like the original Scania Grey Green which was in the North London and East London bus route's such as 125, 20, 141, 275, 24, 66, 167, 313 and also the bus route 103, if you will like to find about 17 Leyland Titan B15's so they can be Re-used for the North London Bus Route which is the London Bus route 41 for all of us Blue Triangle and Grey Green Leyland Titan B15 Bus Lovers out there Please? oh, could you also Please Repaint them in the Exact Grey Green, Blue Triangle Bus colours for all of us Grey Green Leyland Titan B15 Bus lovers out there Pretty Please? because it will be Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Interesting Buses to see them Repainted to a Grey Green, Blue Triangle Colours
Is Because I am such a Big Fan of all of us Grey Green, Blue Triangle Leyland Titan B15 Bus lovers Please Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very much for your time, help and support? 😉😉😄👍😅👏👏😅👍😉👏😉😅
Much as I am not comfortable asking the depot why they stopped running the London Suburban Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW’s on routes N26, 30, 121, 230, 271, 349, N279 And 158 why can’t we make the same make of the Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Buses but Modernise the insides of these Buses. Also, make it low floor up and down and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more so there will be more space for the wheelchair users. By the way, if you could remake and Modernise these vehicles could they also make them into a Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Version’s that if it will be possible and Modernise the insides of these Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW’s make it low floor up and down and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more so there will be more space and even a London Suburban Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more. Why couldn’t we have those London Suburban Buse's Pale red on the top roof Pale red again on the top middle Milk Chocolate brown in the middle Creamy white on the Bottom Middle and Milk Chocolate Brown on the Bottom on most of those kinds of those Particular Double Decker Vehicles? Could you put the Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox in the Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and also put the Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearbox in the Volvo TD102KF Engine East Lancs Olympus and also extend the middle body part of these vehicles a little bit more and also turn most of them to a London Suburban Buses. By the way, could you also make the routes N26, 349, 121, N279 and 271 into London Suburban Buses and have a mixture of a Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC and Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Versions. Could they also transfer the Arriva Bus Depots from Hackney to Stagecoach company so they can replace all the Arriva buses so that all of them can go to Birmingham and Leeds and they can be replaced by Stagecoach Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearbox Volvo TD102KF Engine East Lancs Olympus and also Extend the Middle body part of these Vehicles and that includes A Mixture of a Stagecoach Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearbox Volvo TD102KF, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LXCT Engine Northern Counties Palatine One and that Includes a Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles A Little Bit More? Can Arriva London Bus Company Replace Most of their Wight Buses so they can also transfer them to Birmingham and Also Manchester so they can be replaced by Loud 3-Speed ZF Ecomat Gearboxes Volvo D10A Engine East Lancs Olympus and also Extend the Middle body part of these Vehicles A Little Bit More Thank You Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Very Much. Oh buy the way could the bus Factory Companies also Make More of Those Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel engine Olympian ECW Vehicles And that also includes Those Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Cummins L10 Enviro 400 MMC And also Extend the Middle Body part of those Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel Engine Olympian ECW Vehicles and the Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Cummins L10 Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles and that also includes The Loud 3-Speed ZF Ecomat Gearboxes Volvo D10A Engine East Lancs Olympus A Little Bit More And Paint Those 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Cummins L10 Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles and also those Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Gardner 6LX and Gardner 6LXC Diesel engine Olympian ECW Vehicles and that also includes The Northern Counties Palatine One with a Volvo TD102KF, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 6LXCT Diesel engines with a Loud 3-Speed Voith Diwa Gearboxes and The Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Scania N230UD Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles and also The Loud 4-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Automatic Gearbox Cummins L10 Enviro 400 MMC Vehicles to the Grey Green Colours Just Like The Other Original Scania Grey Green on the Bus Route 313 and the 103, If all The Leyland Titan B15 Buses are Fully Red and even Mostly Red, could they also Repaint All of The Leyland Titan B15’s into Grey Green Colours Just Like The Other Original Scania Grey Green on the Bus Route 313 so they can Reuse them for Only Every Seven and a Half Months and also Reuse them on those Rail Replacement London Bus Routes if that will Be Alright for Only Just Every Seven and a Half Months starting from the Begining of October Please and also Reuse Those Buses Only on the London Bus Routes witch are the 341, N41, 34, 123, N29, 41, 149, 221, W3, N73, 86, 262, 147, 396, 56 and N26 so Please make sure that the builders can do as they are told!!!!!!!!!!! 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The Swift was definitely an AEC, not a Leyland
Ok, thanks...may have been an error on my part!
Jeffery, can we have a video on the mcw metrobus, and the leyland titan b15 please!
Hello! Glad you liked the video!!! I'll look into the Metrobus and B15. Thanks for watching!
@@JeffreyOrnstein thank you!
Another for the future. We tend not to pronounce 'ham as 'ham at the end of our names. So Aldenham is pronounces Aldenm.
Ok. And thanks for watching!
In my last comment I complimented your pronunciation, but there are some corrections to be made here. Other comments have mentioned Chiswick, but there's also Tottenham (Tot'num or Tottenum) and Aldenham (Oldenum). I didn't know Holborn was actually pronounced "Hoebun" until a few years ago so it's not just foreigners who struggle with place names! Anyway, interesting video, as ever!
Thanks for the clarification! Now I know for future videos! Thanks for watching!
On balance I believe that it would have been a better choice than the Fleetlines and the country Atlanteans. London Transport had a long tradition of designing its own very successful buses, specifically for London conditions and London Transport engineering pracitces. Any teething problems would have been ironed out. There were major teething problems with the early origional Routemasters which were all ironed out.
It was a similar story with Midland Red which also had a well-established policy of designing buses which suited their operating requirements. The sprawling Midland Red empire needed a different type of bus to London, where the dense population required a bus with a reliable stop-start capability and little need for a high top speed. Instead Midland Red wanted buses capable of cruising at 50 mph on the dual carriageways between many Midlands towns. The very successful D9, contemporary to the Routemaster and every bit its equal, was followed by the D10. The D10 was not rear engine like the FRM and the Atlantean, instead the engine was canted on its side and was between the two axles.
Hello! Thanks for your insight! Thank you for watching!!
Thanks for the interesting info!
The DMSs were fine in their post London service, as they had their 'Londonness' removed:- such as interlocks on the doors, which prevented the bus from moving with the doors open.
a good read is a book called 40 years with london transport by colin curtis MBE. he worked within engineering depts within London Transport, he tells it from an engineering perspective from the buses of the 30s right upto and including the merlins, dms, titans ,metros it puts some rumours to bed that constantly surface in relation to why the merlin and dms were so unreliable. worth a read! he also wrote a book called ' the routemaster bus ' which i am awaiting delivery on.
Thank you for your insight and thank you for watching!!
Very interesting - I have a big collection of British bus books and I have to look into these! Thanks for watching!!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein your welcome, it's a great book, written by someone who worked within LT. nice to get an insight into real experiences within.
I ticked this off in my Ian Allen bus spotters book back in the day. I think the RT was more iconic than the RM. What’s that behind FRM1 at 1:46 in the video?
It looks very much like a BMMO D9, as used by Midland Red.
Hello! Yes, the RT was much more numerous, but I think to people around the world...the RM is much more iconic. Most Americans would know an RM, but maybe not an RT. At 1:46, it looks like a Midland Red design, but I'm not sure! Thanks for watching!!!
Yes, looks like a Midland Red design!
The w in Chiswick is silent.
Ok, thanks for letting me know, and thanks for watching!!
For future videos set in England, when saying any place names ending in "wick" don't pronounce the "w". So, Chiswick becomes Chisick.we'll get you prononcing our place names like a native.
Nice videoes, by the way.
Hello! Oh, yes, I need to remember this for future videos! I should have known...like Greenwich Village here in NYC...w is silent! Thanks for watching!!
The Route master you show at end of the video is to be withdrawn . I searched online and found this .‘Boris Buses’ may have only hit London’s roads 12 years ago, but newly re-elected Mayor Sadiq Khan has already ordered for them to be taken off the streets.
Introduced when Boris Johnson was the London Mayor, the New Bus For London (NB4L), AKA the ‘Boris Bus’ was launched as a new version of the iconic Routemaster in 2012, costing the city £350 million.
Hello! Oh, that's interesting, that the Boris Bus is to be retired soon. I see lots of pics of new buses coming for London. Interesting. Thanks for watching!!!
@@JeffreyOrnstein What We are getting now are electric buses . My funny true story that I deliver that the title " I got range Anxiety by proxy " not being a driver I never thought that I would would get the range anxiety spoken about by EV drivers . But one day I was waiting for a bus at the bus station in Edgware Middlesex where I live , The EV buse arrived , I got one the bus , sat down , the got a low charge warning and told us all to get off . I then had range anxiety by proxy
FRM1 was a victim of BL’s empire, AEC became part of BL in 1968 as well as Guy Motors also by 1975 BL renamed the Daimler Fleetline as the Leyland Fleetline.
Exactly!! Thank you for watching!!
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Photobomb by a BMMO D9 in the background at 01:41
Yes, it sure was one of those D9s! Thanks for watching!
i would rather travel on and work on a dms to a borismaster anyday, and yes i have worked on both of them.
LOL, I guess the DMS was better than we are led to believe! Thank you for watching!!!
Sorry, meant to say Chiswick is pronounced as Chis-ick
Ok, thanks for the clarification!
"Chizz Wick". "All Den Ham".
Ok, thanks for the clarification!
@@JeffreyOrnstein That wasn't a clarification - that was an expression of surprise. They should be pronounced 'Chizzick' and 'Auldnam'.
Never assume you know how English place names are pronounced, especially if you live across the Pond. Often, natives are caught out, too. Chiswick is pronounced "chissik".
Hello! Sorry for the incorrect pronunciations. I'll try to do better next time! Thanks for watching!
Yes, the entire UK Bus Industry was all down the toilet since 1966.
LOL, I'll take your word for it, haha. Thanks for watching!!
A much better looking bus than the ugly front-engined RM.
I agree!! Thanks for watching!!
OK, this was spoiled by typical Merkan mispronunciation of British place names. Chiz-wickk, Alden-ham etc. Otherwise it's promising.
Thanks for watching!
Chiswick. Pronounced Chizzick! Otherwise very interesting.
Yes, I now know (comment number 4,963 on its pronunciation, LOL). Thanks for watching!
@@JeffreyOrnstein I sort of guessed I may not be the first! 😁😁 Carry on the good work!
Pronounced "Chizzick" and "Aldenum". Also, NB4L is commonly called the "Boris Bus". What? Just saying.......
Ok....thanks for watching!
I do wish you would learn how to pronounce London area nemes - dor a start tou don't pronounce the "W" in Chiswick!!!!! As for the "Borismasters"...... good interior everything else bad!!!! Alexander Dennis Enviro 400 Cities got it right!!!
"nemes - dor a start tou"....Ok, as long as you learn to spell correctly! Thanks for watching!
@@JeffreyOrnstein Check the keyboard letter layout!! Finger trouble with badly positioned keyboard here and bad proof reading NOT spelling errors!
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