Double call/no call is a major reason I got out of officiating. Personally, I'd say eliminate the call. No advantage is gained. I've always been of the mind that, at younger levels, we shouldn't be whistling too many ball handling violations as long as they tried to use proper technique. Let them play. One situation I always hated is when a talented team (lots of club players) wanted me to call EVERYTHING on an awful team. Like really, you want me to whistle the bad team off the court rather than let's play some vb? Here's a solution to the double controversy. In tennis it used to be a violation if the ball hit one part of the racket and deflected to another part. The powers that be changed it to be legal as long if there was only ONE attempt to strike the ball. Of course in volleyball you need to call a double if there are two attempts (example- right hand stops the ball then left hand strikes it.) Of course that would make too much sense. And deprive idiots from screaming "Double, that was a double!"
I also hate the rule cause I’ve never played or trained much so everything I’ve learned comes from myself and youtube. Sometimes the ball spins when I set it, even when I don’t double. Which is very much possible.
I totally agree with you. First, double hits are usually judgment calls that depend upon the referee. Second, it breaks up the game's flow for a nebulous reason. Third, it may be based on the ball's spin, which is not 100 accurate. Fourth, it may be based on the location of the hands after the hit or attack, which is not 100 accurate. Unless it is blatantly obvious, the double-hit rule should go the way of the woolly Mammoth.
Looked like he was judging his calls based on the spin of the ball only. For such young kids playing, trying to have fun, seems a bit harsh to be this strict, very mediocre calls IMO.
This is what I was about to say. It looks like he was calling doubles based on ball spin, but they looked clean to me, except maybe the third instance.
I have a messed up thumb on my left hand, so when I set, it is basically impossible for me not to spin the ball. It doesn't matter if the contacts are simultaneous, using more force on one side of the ball will make it spin. It really annoys me when people make the argument that the ball spins, therefore the set was not simultaneous contact.
It was a small tournament, getting quite late and the ref just wanted it to just be over. It’s my opinion that he just arbitrarily picked a team and helped them out. Game over.
i hate when refs do that. even if they do it to my team, it’s not fair, i don’t want to win because the ref chose my team. i want to win because i earned it.
My take: 1 is edgy, 2 is fine, 3 is ok, 4 is bad. I'd only expect #4 to actually be called, maybe #1 if high level. But the other 2 calls are really the ref making the game. You should only interrupt the play when there is no doubt that a foul occurred, not just to prove how much of a strict badass you are
The issue was he set a standard with the first one and found himself in a dilemma with the rest. Doubles on settings should be eliminated. In reality the team with the "bad" sets is truly losing more specially at the lower levels (a perfect set is ideal for a good offensive hit) I have written to the NCAA rules committee for a change in the ruling. I hope they are considering it. A referee should never decide a contest.
That second one was 100% clean. Even playing it at .25x speed on the slow-mo part, it's clearly not a double. One hand bends more, but they contact the ball at the same time.
@@adams2704 It is fairly easy to make the ball back spin like that without committing double touch. You can call it throwing if the contact is prolonged, but not double touch.
Double hits aren’t usually called out to prolong the rallies But yes in this video, especially the 2nd and last clips we actual double hits. I think the referee started calling them out because the team kept on doing them a lot. In a lot of instances, if a team keeps on lifting or double touching, the referee can call the fouls.
When I reffed intramural volleyball at my college, the first thing they told us was that the spin of the ball was a great way to look for doubles. Eventually I realized that’s an awful metric, just watching the hands and even listening is much more useful to make good double touch calls. However, for new referees and referees who have never played volleyball themselves, they might be going off of spin because they are just bad/poorly trained at officiating.
Don't worry guys NCAA change the rules on double calls and now volleyball players can focus on playing volleyball and not a setting game. Check out new rules with NCAA volleyball
The last one was absolutely a double. The rest are questionable but that’s why the official is up on the stand, he has a different angle/view and it’s his judgment.
First - I would call that one as well at the high school level since it was played over the net. The left hand had a lot of control on the ball. Second - pretty good set and ball stayed on their side of the court. Would never call that. Third - shoulders are mostly square. Not calling that. Fourth - that gets called in high school. The second one is an awful call.
he called because spin on the ball but it was clearly a two touch (should not have been called at this level) it was a two touch because the ball left her left hand at a different time than her right hand that made it a two touch, the initial contact was fine but how she dumped the ball caused the call
The first one was a double in higher levels of play. In this situation if I were a ref I would let the play go one. But if it were a club team or high school team I would 100% call that a double
Can you tell me which hand contacted the ball first? I don't see that. I need to make sure that you're using the correct standard, that is you actually see a double contact, not just watching the reaction of the ball.
That's absolutely ridiculous. 1. This looks like middle school 2. Just because the ball is rotating >360 degrees doesn't mean it's a double hit. This guys needs to give up the chair and go ref golf or something.
As a setter, yes, it's a double. LOOK AT THEIR HANDS BEFORE-DURING-AND-AFTER RELEASING THE BALL. IT'S OBVIOUS. THE SPIN OF THE BALL DOESN'T STATES DOUBLE BUT THE HANDS.
The hands also do NOT indicate a double, but only THE CONTACT BETWEEN THE BALL AND THE HANDS. If you SEE THE BALL TOUCH THE LEFT HAND THEN RIGHT, OR RIGHT HAND THEN LEFT, then it's a double. OTHERWISE IT'S NOT. End of story.
only the third can be considered as a double for me, In France in low level games the referee don't blow like this for no reason they learn Volley no need to penalized them when it's not obvious.
The first one is not violation cuz' she did not reach the white tape for over reaching or if it is drop is is also not violation because she did not set the ball instead she throw it.
Second one was not a double. Others were really close. Last one was a double from what I could tell. I don't think he should have called any but the last one imo
such a stupid rule - no one knows how to call doubles so just get rid of it and let people hand set freely. More false doubles are called than legit ones. Until this one problem is fixed, volleyball will never be relevant
That was a double! It came in from the left and went out of the left with a ton of spin. That clearly makes a double. So this was a legit call. And volleyball will continue to be irrelevant unless people take an actual interest in learning the rules.
@@sand9346 Intention is what matters! Get rid of hand setting or the call if its too difficult for rec players to call. What good is a sport if a basic play like hand setting is too difficult for amateurs to police themselves on? Stupid stupid stupid. It gets bad when A/B players get a snotty attitude with up-and-comers when challenging doubles (which by the way they also get wrong more than 50% of the time). Who tf wants to move up in a sport with such ambiguity? You'll be playing for weekend tourney peanuts for the rest of your lives if you dont fix this.
@@vincent21212 yeah I understand your point, it’s harder for beginners to set cleanly and it doesn’t help when the ref is that strict! But I think if pros started to set spinny sets it would get rid of the finesse of being a setter and putting a lot of time and effort into it!
I feel bad for all of you. What did you ladies did or said to the ref before game ?????????????, This is high school volleyball, but the ref treats like Olympic. What a bad day ........
The stupid rec league guide which is the first thing that comes up when you Google vball rules says if there's sidespin on a set it's a double, or if you hit the ball underhand with in open palm it's a carry. Fkn doesn't make any sense
The Multi-colored Ball makes things look more severe. Watch a Volleyball Match using a plain white Ball you will notice the difference. Deep down "Doubles" is more like an opinion. Tost it out! The referee should never decide the contest!
Ok so I think a lot of people here aren’t understanding how refs actually call doubles. I’m a setter and we’re taught pretty quickly that because it’s really hard to truly see if someone double touched on a set, the refs judge it based on the spin of the ball. So basically if it comes out of your hands spinning sideways, then they’ll call it a double even if that only happened because one hand used a bit more force than the other. So a bunch of these, given it’s hard to see the spin of the ball, very well may be legitimate calls. Calling a penalty like that on game point is definitely an asshole move tho even if it was a double.
That is exactly the problem isn't it? I think people do understand it and many pointed out that the referee based his calls solely on the spinning of the ball. Maybe that is the case in the US that referees are taught to pay attention to the ball, but that is definitely not always the case in other countries. Double touch is double touch and the call is made if the player hits the ball more than once in succession.
@@cc-cc4499 I don't know about other countries and admittedly don't know what refs in the us are technically taught to look for. However, I'm a setter and I can say we are specifically taught that refs call based on spin. Even if it's not technically the rule, that's just how the game is played at lower levels (as in not like college or pro) and everyone knows it so it isn't much an issue.
This official needs to go back to school. Not one double contact was made. He should be ashamed of this performance. He has taken the game out of the hands of the players.
Volleyball officiating is a science specially at the lower level. A 16u Match will run smoothly until the referee leave the Track. R2s are extremely important to the flow of the Match. Never assumed the Match is not important.
@@lyric1774 spinning isn't a foolproof indication of a double. Spinning happens when the centre of pressure created from the set isn't inline with the balls centre of mass, which can happen when one hand releases contact earlier than the other hand (a double) AND when both hands release contact at the same time (legal set).
Those are all correct calls. You don't want to develop bad habits at an early age. The ball should be coming out with little to no spin at all. The spin on the ball correlates to the ball leaving one hand slightly faster then the other.
@@Pedro-ds1xm No, it is a double because the ball is leaving one hand faster than the other. It should be a simultaneous contact with the ball from both hands upon release.
Technically you can’t have the ball leave both hands simultaneously so judgement calls at unavoidable. But you can spin the ball like crazy with as close to a simultaneous release as well as you can clearly double a ball that comes off with no spin. Just dump one handed when you have a spin hater ref and beach set.
No spinning - no double. Spinning - both, might by double, might by not. Spinning is not good indicator. Ball can spin after bumping with two hands or with one hand. Don't be so simple minded
@@KMVipriazhkin Any good volleyball player will know if it's a double when there's a spin on the ball. Yes, you can have the ball come out spinning a little and the set not being a double, but let's not be delusional here and not call a double when you do see it. These were clearly doubles.
Clearly doubles and some prolonged contact. Ref was fair in his calls. The ball can only come out with that much spin with one hand leaving before the other. It’s physically Impossible to be any other way. These girls are clearly frustrated with the calls because they have more than likely been taught incorrectly or have refs in their district who don’t call these. Watch ANY pro or D1 college volleyball and tell me if you see those types of balls. I know the answer. Also it is unfair to the team who does train their setters correctly, puts the time, effort, and work in to it not to call them. It’s high school/club and I get being a little lenient in your calls but you are doing them no favors by not calling them and rewarding teams for improper training or lack of commitment. Thank you all for being refs, we seem to be a fading breed.
@@kaiden_carland_volleyball Doesn't matter, you don't want them developing bad habits at an early age because when they get older, they're going to think it's okay to set like that.
@@KMVipriazhkin A ball coming out spinning off of a two hand set is more than likely a double. Yes you can have sets that come out spinning a little if any and it would be a good set, but not sets that are spinning for days. Those sets are not legal.
@@alanac.2828 well i suppose so you're right; still it's incredibly harsh and i think it should be examined more closely by the coaches (as in during practice, the coaches should point this out). obviously i can't say anything myself since i am not a volleyball player
Poor Kid. :( It's so discouraging when an official is so hard on a kid for absolutely nothing.
That’s life. They better learn it early.
Most of those weren’t even close to a double. The one where the libero set opposite side looked like a great set to me.
Wasn't libero though, but agree, that was a fine set.
All have bad technique, but are all legal. Ref is judging how it coming out rather then if it contacting & leaving the hands hands evenly.
Double call/no call is a major reason I got out of officiating. Personally, I'd say eliminate the call. No advantage is gained. I've always been of the mind that, at younger levels, we shouldn't be whistling too many ball handling violations as long as they tried to use proper technique. Let them play. One situation I always hated is when a talented team (lots of club players) wanted me to call EVERYTHING on an awful team. Like really, you want me to whistle the bad team off the court rather than let's play some vb? Here's a solution to the double controversy. In tennis it used to be a violation if the ball hit one part of the racket and deflected to another part. The powers that be changed it to be legal as long if there was only ONE attempt to strike the ball. Of course in volleyball you need to call a double if there are two attempts (example- right hand stops the ball then left hand strikes it.) Of course that would make too much sense. And deprive idiots from screaming "Double, that was a double!"
Agree completely. Great comment. Thank you.
I also hate the rule cause I’ve never played or trained much so everything I’ve learned comes from myself and youtube. Sometimes the ball spins when I set it, even when I don’t double. Which is very much possible.
I totally agree with you. First, double hits are usually judgment calls that depend upon the referee. Second, it breaks up the game's flow for a nebulous reason. Third, it may be based on the ball's spin, which is not 100 accurate. Fourth, it may be based on the location of the hands after the hit or attack, which is not 100 accurate. Unless it is blatantly obvious, the double-hit rule should go the way of the woolly Mammoth.
Looked like he was judging his calls based on the spin of the ball only. For such young kids playing, trying to have fun, seems a bit harsh to be this strict, very mediocre calls IMO.
This is what I was about to say. It looks like he was calling doubles based on ball spin, but they looked clean to me, except maybe the third instance.
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Nah, fuck that. I get ref's have a job to do but there was no double touch in this video. The dude just wanted it to be over. That was some bullshit.
Some American referees have a weird obsession with double touch based on a false belief that the spinning of the ball indicates double touch.
I have a messed up thumb on my left hand, so when I set, it is basically impossible for me not to spin the ball. It doesn't matter if the contacts are simultaneous, using more force on one side of the ball will make it spin. It really annoys me when people make the argument that the ball spins, therefore the set was not simultaneous contact.
It was a small tournament, getting quite late and the ref just wanted it to just be over. It’s my opinion that he just arbitrarily picked a team and helped them out. Game over.
Why don't you guys just hit the ball? To pass like that it's just too easy to catch and there's the double touch thing
That last ball was absolutely a double. Maybe teach your kids how to swing.
that’s so discouraging to these players who are doing their best even if it’s a late game...
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i hate when refs do that. even if they do it to my team, it’s not fair, i don’t want to win because the ref chose my team. i want to win because i earned it.
My take: 1 is edgy, 2 is fine, 3 is ok, 4 is bad. I'd only expect #4 to actually be called, maybe #1 if high level. But the other 2 calls are really the ref making the game. You should only interrupt the play when there is no doubt that a foul occurred, not just to prove how much of a strict badass you are
The issue was he set a standard with the first one and found himself in a dilemma with the rest. Doubles on settings should be eliminated. In reality the team with the "bad" sets is truly losing more specially at the lower levels (a perfect set is ideal for a good offensive hit) I have written to the NCAA rules committee for a change in the ruling. I hope they are considering it. A referee should never decide a contest.
That second one was 100% clean. Even playing it at .25x speed on the slow-mo part, it's clearly not a double. One hand bends more, but they contact the ball at the same time.
First one bad (maybe) rest look good to me. reff for 50 yrs.
You sure about the last one
@@adams2704 No, but Im lookin at a tape. Different when you are there.
@@adams2704 It is fairly easy to make the ball back spin like that without committing double touch. You can call it throwing if the contact is prolonged, but not double touch.
I've only been officiating volleyball for 5 years, and I have trouble catching the double hit. The only time I do is if it's blatantly obvious to me.
Yes that is the best thing to do for sure.
The first and last ones were kind of between roll and double but the rest were too harshly judged like they were playable for suck young team
Double hits aren’t usually called out to prolong the rallies
But yes in this video, especially the 2nd and last clips we actual double hits.
I think the referee started calling them out because the team kept on doing them a lot. In a lot of instances, if a team keeps on lifting or double touching, the referee can call the fouls.
When I reffed intramural volleyball at my college, the first thing they told us was that the spin of the ball was a great way to look for doubles. Eventually I realized that’s an awful metric, just watching the hands and even listening is much more useful to make good double touch calls. However, for new referees and referees who have never played volleyball themselves, they might be going off of spin because they are just bad/poorly trained at officiating.
The umpire cannot tell the difference between “bad” set to an “illegal” set.
Don't worry guys NCAA change the rules on double calls and now volleyball players can focus on playing volleyball and not a setting game. Check out new rules with NCAA volleyball
He’s literally only calling it because the ball spins
My god that was upsetting, imagine losing points just cause you have a bad referee
1st and 4th definitely. 3rd, let it go at this age, 2nd was just fine.
Wtf not at all
The last one was absolutely a double. The rest are questionable but that’s why the official is up on the stand, he has a different angle/view and it’s his judgment.
I had an “umpire” calling many doubles, because she felt “cringe”.
The first one ever.
so?
First - I would call that one as well at the high school level since it was played over the net. The left hand had a lot of control on the ball. Second - pretty good set and ball stayed on their side of the court. Would never call that. Third - shoulders are mostly square. Not calling that. Fourth - that gets called in high school.
The second one is an awful call.
he called because spin on the ball but it was clearly a two touch (should not have been called at this level) it was a two touch because the ball left her left hand at a different time than her right hand that made it a two touch, the initial contact was fine but how she dumped the ball caused the call
there are lots of old eyes hurt kids
It is clear that the blue team has bought the referee.
The first one was a double in higher levels of play. In this situation if I were a ref I would let the play go one. But if it were a club team or high school team I would 100% call that a double
Can you tell me which hand contacted the ball first? I don't see that. I need to make sure that you're using the correct standard, that is you actually see a double contact, not just watching the reaction of the ball.
The last one was definitely a double no questions asked but the others are… something
Guys making calls off the spin. He's wrong a bunch of times. That's why I don't call it unless I see 2 hits.
That's absolutely ridiculous. 1. This looks like middle school 2. Just because the ball is rotating >360 degrees doesn't mean it's a double hit. This guys needs to give up the chair and go ref golf or something.
Looks fine to me
As a setter, yes, it's a double. LOOK AT THEIR HANDS BEFORE-DURING-AND-AFTER RELEASING THE BALL. IT'S OBVIOUS. THE SPIN OF THE BALL DOESN'T STATES DOUBLE BUT THE HANDS.
The hands also do NOT indicate a double, but only THE CONTACT BETWEEN THE BALL AND THE HANDS. If you SEE THE BALL TOUCH THE LEFT HAND THEN RIGHT, OR RIGHT HAND THEN LEFT, then it's a double. OTHERWISE IT'S NOT. End of story.
Not trying to be biased because coppell is my district but the blue team definitely got more favor for sure
Only in beach volleyball.
None of the plays were double contacts
This official needs to go back to school. He has taken the game out of the hands of the players. Poor Kids
That ref was paid off- (jk)
bro thinks he's reffing the olympics
Exactly! Funny comment. Thank you.
only the third can be considered as a double for me, In France in low level games the referee don't blow like this for no reason they learn Volley no need to penalized them when it's not obvious.
The second one looks clean, but the rest look like doubles.
ref got paid by the other team.
Perhaps prolonged contact and not double hit?? She swept the ball across herself.
How are these considered doubles?
Wow very strict
Somebody please fire that Refree...
It's very obvious. He's cheating, showing favor to the other team
The first one is not violation cuz' she did not reach the white tape for over reaching or if it is drop is is also not violation because she did not set the ball instead she throw it.
#1 Legal
#2 Legal
#3 Legal
#4 Illegal
It is ONLY a fault if you CAN SEE THE "ONE-TWO".
Second one was not a double. Others were really close. Last one was a double from what I could tell. I don't think he should have called any but the last one imo
Да, всё правильно, если только соревнования не начального уровня, где судьи могут сделать послабление. Правда, должны судить одинаково в обе стороны.
Clearly ref is corrupt
such a stupid rule - no one knows how to call doubles so just get rid of it and let people hand set freely. More false doubles are called than legit ones. Until this one problem is fixed, volleyball will never be relevant
That was a double! It came in from the left and went out of the left with a ton of spin. That clearly makes a double. So this was a legit call. And volleyball will continue to be irrelevant unless people take an actual interest in learning the rules.
@@sand9346 Intention is what matters! Get rid of hand setting or the call if its too difficult for rec players to call. What good is a sport if a basic play like hand setting is too difficult for amateurs to police themselves on? Stupid stupid stupid. It gets bad when A/B players get a snotty attitude with up-and-comers when challenging doubles (which by the way they also get wrong more than 50% of the time). Who tf wants to move up in a sport with such ambiguity? You'll be playing for weekend tourney peanuts for the rest of your lives if you dont fix this.
@@vincent21212 yeah I understand your point, it’s harder for beginners to set cleanly and it doesn’t help when the ref is that strict! But I think if pros started to set spinny sets it would get rid of the finesse of being a setter and putting a lot of time and effort into it!
I don't even see how it can be double hit
I feel bad for all of you. What did you ladies did or said to the ref before game ?????????????, This is high school volleyball, but the ref treats like Olympic. What a bad day ........
Terrible calls! Those were all tidy clean
The stupid rec league guide which is the first thing that comes up when you Google vball rules says if there's sidespin on a set it's a double, or if you hit the ball underhand with in open palm it's a carry. Fkn doesn't make any sense
The Multi-colored Ball makes things look more severe. Watch a Volleyball Match using a plain white Ball you will notice the difference. Deep down "Doubles" is more like an opinion. Tost it out! The referee should never decide the contest!
0:50 was a double lol
#1 was a double. #2 was legal. #3 was a double. #4 was legal.
#4 was legal!? O: x'D
Ok so I think a lot of people here aren’t understanding how refs actually call doubles. I’m a setter and we’re taught pretty quickly that because it’s really hard to truly see if someone double touched on a set, the refs judge it based on the spin of the ball. So basically if it comes out of your hands spinning sideways, then they’ll call it a double even if that only happened because one hand used a bit more force than the other. So a bunch of these, given it’s hard to see the spin of the ball, very well may be legitimate calls. Calling a penalty like that on game point is definitely an asshole move tho even if it was a double.
Thanks for your comment.
That is exactly the problem isn't it? I think people do understand it and many pointed out that the referee based his calls solely on the spinning of the ball. Maybe that is the case in the US that referees are taught to pay attention to the ball, but that is definitely not always the case in other countries. Double touch is double touch and the call is made if the player hits the ball more than once in succession.
@@cc-cc4499 I don't know about other countries and admittedly don't know what refs in the us are technically taught to look for. However, I'm a setter and I can say we are specifically taught that refs call based on spin. Even if it's not technically the rule, that's just how the game is played at lower levels (as in not like college or pro) and everyone knows it so it isn't much an issue.
Wtf?!
im not trying to be mean but most of those were doubles
Terrible, what was he calling
All judgment calls by the rule. That doesn't mean they were right but I'm not up on the stand he is.
These sets are not legal in Ohio.
This official needs to go back to school. Not one double contact was made. He should be ashamed of this performance. He has taken the game out of the hands of the players.
Volleyball officiating is a science specially at the lower level. A 16u Match will run smoothly until the referee leave the Track. R2s are extremely important to the flow of the Match. Never assumed the Match is not important.
the rotation is out of control on most of these, coming from a 16u setter (indoor) the only one that wasn’t a double was the set to the oppo
Fr they acting like they didn’t double at all. Most of these sets were spinning faster than the wheels on a car
@@lyric1774 lmao yeah idk how people are like “ThAt WaS gOoD sEtTiNg AnD a BaD rEf” like bruh those are clear doubles
@@lyric1774 spinning isn't a foolproof indication of a double. Spinning happens when the centre of pressure created from the set isn't inline with the balls centre of mass, which can happen when one hand releases contact earlier than the other hand (a double) AND when both hands release contact at the same time (legal set).
Those are all correct calls. You don't want to develop bad habits at an early age. The ball should be coming out with little to no spin at all. The spin on the ball correlates to the ball leaving one hand slightly faster then the other.
Actually this is not the way to judge a double, what the refs look for are the elbows, if they come down with the ball or not
@@Pedro-ds1xm No, it is a double because the ball is leaving one hand faster than the other. It should be a simultaneous contact with the ball from both hands upon release.
Technically you can’t have the ball leave both hands simultaneously so judgement calls at unavoidable. But you can spin the ball like crazy with as close to a simultaneous release as well as you can clearly double a ball that comes off with no spin. Just dump one handed when you have a spin hater ref and beach set.
No spinning - no double. Spinning - both, might by double, might by not. Spinning is not good indicator. Ball can spin after bumping with two hands or with one hand. Don't be so simple minded
@@KMVipriazhkin Any good volleyball player will know if it's a double when there's a spin on the ball. Yes, you can have the ball come out spinning a little and the set not being a double, but let's not be delusional here and not call a double when you do see it. These were clearly doubles.
Clearly doubles and some prolonged contact. Ref was fair in his calls. The ball can only come out with that much spin with one hand leaving before the other. It’s physically Impossible to be any other way. These girls are clearly frustrated with the calls because they have more than likely been taught incorrectly or have refs in their district who don’t call these. Watch ANY pro or D1 college volleyball and tell me if you see those types of balls. I know the answer. Also it is unfair to the team who does train their setters correctly, puts the time, effort, and work in to it not to call them. It’s high school/club and I get being a little lenient in your calls but you are doing them no favors by not calling them and rewarding teams for improper training or lack of commitment. Thank you all for being refs, we seem to be a fading breed.
Are these players pro or D1 athletes? For their level this is more than acceptable, not every ball has to have absolutly perfect, relax.
No, ball can spin after one hand touch. Physically possible. Spinning indicator is not enough. And again, physically possible
@@kaiden_carland_volleyball Doesn't matter, you don't want them developing bad habits at an early age because when they get older, they're going to think it's okay to set like that.
@@KMVipriazhkin A ball coming out spinning off of a two hand set is more than likely a double. Yes you can have sets that come out spinning a little if any and it would be a good set, but not sets that are spinning for days. Those sets are not legal.
@@alanac.2828 well i suppose so you're right; still it's incredibly harsh and i think it should be examined more closely by the coaches (as in during practice, the coaches should point this out). obviously i can't say anything myself since i am not a volleyball player