In sixth grade, I was a very cringy Brandon mull fan and let me tell you, my boy Stan Sorenson from Fablehaven is a cool grandpa and doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the weirdos.
Raid be having a budget bigger than the whole population of India Edit: it has been confirmed, Raid does have a budget bigger than the entire population of India
I don't think I'm a toxic stan. I really hope I'm not at least. I get really into the things I like though, and just pour over them again and again. I talk at length about them with friends and family and often think about the characters and plot in my spare time. I don't do it for a sense of identity, but because it makes me happy. I love becoming devoted to each new fandom because it fills me with happiness to be a part of. I try my best to avoid toxicity and I can get pretty annoying, but it consistently makes me haply
I think that’s relatively normal. I mean I’m the same way lol as long as ur not using it to bash other ppl for not being a “real fan” or whatever. I completely get what u mean lol
100% this is what I do too. I get into and have done this with AJR, Twenty One Pilots, and a few other bands that aren't very well known (The Front Bottoms and Raccoon Therapy, still known by some but not a lot of the people I talk to know them) or like with Harry Potter, I get a little obsessed but I'm not going to go after new fans for not knowing what AJR stands for or what style The Front Bottoms really have. Most of these communities were really nice to me when I first started listening or reading, Im going to show the same respect back.
Ugh you really hit the nail on the head with this one. I discovered BTS when they debuted and for years it was an incredibly small community. When they started gaining popularity it made me INCREDIBLY happy because it meant they were getting recognized for their talent and I could finally talk about them without being seen as weird. But it also became immediately toxic. And because they were massive, their first concert around my area wasn't as intimate or kind as I have experienced with previous bands. (A Day to Remember & MCR concert goers were much nicer) I never made anyone feel bad, but it did rub me the wrong way when the same people who bullied me for my music taste were claiming to "not be like other girls". I haven't really followed BTS for over a year now, but I still wish them growth and success.
I grew out my beard during quarantine, and afterwards, I met up with an old high school friend who said, "You watch NateIsLame? Because you look exactly like him with that beard!" THAT is what fandoms are for
@@NateIsLame Okay the shock has worn off now. In all seriousness, I hope that you're doing well and that you had a good holiday and that maybe next year will be less awful. I wish you this not just as a fan, but as a fellow human being. Stay spicy!
Wait, i remember you were saying that "I remember you was conflicted. Misusing your influence. Sometimes i did the same. Abusing your power full of resentment". Did you meet Kdot?
As a Kpop fan I can admit that yes there are Kpop stans and yes they can be jerks or just flat-out creepy, but I also think Kpop gets a bad rep and people assume everyone in the fandom acts that way. That’s just a part of the fandom that makes itself more well-known.
I've been a kpop stan for 3 years and I constantly feel like shit when people put us together with the toxic vocal minority and make us all look bad. I know it's the same with other fandoms as well. Everything would be so much better if we all learned to differentiate them and respect everyone's interests. As long as you're not hurting anyone then stan what you wanna stan man (and also pick up a hobby related to your interests :3 I love doing fanart and making my own artworks and writing stories :D)
Staning is bad, no not having an interest or finding a band or group really really cool, I mean like stalking and constantly trying to get noticed by the group, it can lead down a bad path and never seems to end well, you can still be a huge fan but it’s important not to cross the line, though drawing fan art and writing seems pretty cool
@@Toad-eaterofbug The word stan has kinda lost it's meaning of stalker fan, some regular K-pop fans call ourselves stans just because we regularly enjoy the music and stuff like that. The ones that stalk the artist and do shady things shouldn't even be called stans, just simply stalkers.
There are many people that claim TØP and BTS saved their lives. They touched them in a way that made them realise life is worth living and inspired them. So its understandable how when someone insults these bands, Stans get very emotional about it. I love your honesty in this video, I'd imagine your 'Stan' days aren't something ur too proud of haha.
Some stans are just... Ugh. I understand liking them because they helped yiu. Hell, that’s why I donated to Sleepy as often as I can, so I can support him. Just... Don’t be a freak and harm people or send death threats.
I think nowadays every pre teen to teen has a „toxic stan“ phase. I‘m just happy once we all grow out of it and transition to the normal stan that’s chill about their stuff because they’re mentally over it :)
It sucks for me as a neurodivergent person who tends to become stan-like for at least one thing at a time because that's just how my brain works. I'm self-aware enough to not be toxic, thank god, but it can be really socially isolating to be interested in something so much that it kind of scares others away from you and hinders your ability to relate to others. So in my case, my stan-like behavior isn't a result of social isolation, but rather the other way around.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with investing a ton of your time and attention into stuff you're passionate about! As long as you aren't cruel to anyone else, you're alright in my book!
I understand where the posessiveness and like the entitlement come from, when you love something you want to protect it and you want it to be your thing, and when it becomes main stream it can feel upsetting but we need to learn not to be gatekeepers
I honestly hardly even realized that I was unhealthily obsessed with some “emo” bands in middle school because I had such a hard time trying to fit in back then and I felt like constantly listening to these bands and attaching myself to the members kind of made up for that in a way. I was always so lonely and didn’t feel like I could possibly fit in anywhere (which I still feel like today, honestly), but loving these bands so much made me feel like I had a sense of purpose that I couldn’t find anywhere else. I definitely regret being an annoying “fangirl” back then, but thankfully I mellowed out before high school and I’m still able to appreciate those bands for getting me into music and just the fact that I still like them today. Whenever I see these obsessive stans on the internet, I just kind of feel bad for them because it’s definitely possible that they feel like I did back then, with most of their happiness coming from listening to their favorite band’s entire discography in one day or watching interviews with the members for three hours straight, and the reason these kids get into heated arguments with so many people online is probably because of the various internal struggles they’re facing in real life. I don’t wish those feelings on anyone, but they’re unfortunately all too common for 11-17 year-old kids who don’t have much else going on for them, resulting in part of the reason they love bands or other fandoms so much being that they act as a coping mechanism or a distraction from everything else.
I'm honestly so glad I didn't start getting into music fandoms until I was 16/17. I had matured/calm down a lot since Middle School. And boy if I had discovered MCR, FOB, P!ATD, etc. during Middle School, I would have for sure cringe to death right now. (P. S. I did know who MCR, FOB, and P!ATD were in Middle School, I just didn't care for bandoms that much).
Man this video hit hard. I used to be a pretty hardcore TOP fan and a big weeb, and looking back, I've grown a lot over the last few years. I still enjoy both TOP and anime stuff, but it's not my personality. Thank you for this, I think anyone who's in any kind of fandom should absolutely watch this.
I love how the term Stan originated from the Eminem song and describes a crazy toxic and misguided fan experience. So no wonder so many “stans” act the same , yet somehow we are surprised by their behaviors
Damn this was amazing. I agree with everything you said in this video. Sadly all fandoms will have a bad side, but we can’t let the overpower anything. Just look at my literal profile pic. Sometimes I realize that it might not exactly be accepted spending so much time in a fandom, but it has inspired my to expand my art creativity. Now I’m looking forward to creating new paintings and drawings in the future because of the inspiration that lead me here. Really love this video, keep up the great work :)
Really thoughtful video about stan culture, and the way you discussed it really encourages me to look at snobbish gatekeepers in a more empathetic way.
i dunno if you already liked them but i have a band to recommend, i stalked your spotify and you weren’t following them so i don’t think you do but i’m really into Bright Eyes right now and think you’d like them :)
Bro, this brought me full circle- You introduced me to MCR and so many bands with your emo phase video, I became kind of a toxic stan, got out of it and I'm now watching this video with a lot more knowledge in how to act in fandoms :)
I was just having a conversation with my brother about this topic yesterday. If your entire identity revolves around a certain thing that someone else made, are you really *you* anymore?
7 months late but it’s something I’ve struggled with for a god awful long time, having bounced from fandom to fandom since 9. The last time I ever considered myself a stan had to be at age 12 but just the mere simple act of being enveloped in such fanbases, you become morphed with the crowd. Public figures refer to you as a collective and that is how you learn to identify. A fan of [blank] or a [blank] stan. You ultimately adopt that label until you become just like everyone else. Same social media layouts, same jokes, same quotes, same feedback, same beliefs. A hivemind, if you will. Ultimately, yeah. You really aren’t your own person anymore.
I think fandoms are really important for children (especially for neurodivergent ones) They also create a great start for arts (writing, art, animation, and editing) but it is important to seperate reality and fiction
It means so much to me to hear someone talking about this. I've been a toxic stan before, and it's a difficult thing to break out of. Thanks for the video!!
damn, i feel like i really needed to hear that... all this stan stuff happening on twitter got some of us including me hella confused so thanks for clearing the air nate
last time I was this early mcr was still broken up edit: I rlly got called out for having a tøp pfp hahahah (I promise I'm not a stan anymore I just cant be bothered to change it tbh)
I have been a fan of this channel for a while now. I think a couple years or something now, maybe more. It feels like yesterday but I don't think it could have been more then 10th grade so it has to be at least two years. What even is time anymore? I'm getting off topic. Point is I only wish I'd found this channel sooner. This channel helped me a lot and I only wish I'd found it a little earlier so it could have helped the younger me sooner. She was really having a rough time. This channel was there when I felt alone and helped me pick up the pieces. Nate you've done a lot of good. I'm probably not the only one you've helped feel less alone and who's learned a few lessons along the way.
the reason that i love my fandoms so much is that they give me comfort and joy. yeah, i know a lot about the members of my group, but i'm not gonna bully people if they don't know as much as me. if you like the music and it helps you, that's all you need
Glad to hear someone talk about this. Especially someone who's been through it themselves. I came across a toxic super fan over a year ago for a marvel character. But they are in their 40s. And used their love of the character ("from 10 years of age" - but it's not a competition if someone else has known the character longer), mixed with their past traumas, as a form of manipulation and excuse to bully. Trying to disguise it as just being "passionate". I tried to support their love of the character, while also trying to reason with them and help them be a bit more kind to others. But they weren't having it. Slowly, they started accusing me of gaslighting, chastising, admonishing, and censoring them. They even felt they got to decide if they were upsetting other fans or not (spoiler: they decided no fan was ever upset by them). I did my best, but I could see things would only get worse as they showed they felt they could do no wrong, they were always the victim, and others were to blame. So I had to end the friendship.
I really REALLY wish that stans weren't so prickly towards other people, and other people were able to recognize that there's so much more that hides behind the stan barrier... Also, the ads were placed in the perfect spots... I'm not sure if you did that because I don't know how youtube creator stuff works, but for me the ad placement just built on the comedy.
I will. Thanks for the video. All this you spoke of relates to me quite a bit, even though I don't do the things you described. Making your own dreams come true, doing the things you are passionate about and taking risks can be worth it. I will start making my dreams come true. Thanks again for this. Be seeing you.
Extremely well-said my dude. My obsession with cartoons, fairy tales, Disney, and eventually anime and manga have led me to...becoming an art teacher, a career during which time I will likely spend mentoring a whole ton of weebs with the same problem, and I'm ok with this.
I relate to this a lot I really like the mcyt fandom and I was never a toxic stans trust me but I finally am setting up my own accounts and aiming to do stuff like that myself. I’m taking it slow and think that at the age I am that’s what is best but this video is very reassuring with what I just said and am glad to have seen it
i had like the exact same experience i was a cringey stan in middle school and freshman year, then i got a ukulele for xmas and learned house of gold (i feel attacked) and from there started writing songs, joined a band, and am now working on an ep?!? gotta love stan culture wew
Same with me, i had a late 21 pilots phase in 2018-2019. I see my snapchat memories of how fucking cringe i was (i probably still am). But that doesnt really matter to me. My first instrument was also a ukulele, then i went to play guitar. Ive been playing since like 2019 and now im kinda quitting but it was nice while it lasted.
It’s really pleasant and refreshing to see a video where someone’s actually being cool towards these kids and treating them like humans while gently pointing them in the right direction rather than a video where just some dude sits there and bullies children for 10 minutes lol
It also will likely have more effect, because it's far easier for the subjects of this video to dismiss someone who's hostile to them, and allow them to dismiss the entire thing. If someone makes an argument that makes them seem understood and sort of forces them to listen to a valid perspective, it's more likely to actually resonate with someone
Hit close to home for me. I would consider me from 8 months ago a fanboy of sorts, but I've been doing my best to make something for myself that I can enjoy. I find that one issue that comes with this is that the internet can easily make you feel as if your work isn't adequate or you'll never succeed because it makes you compare yourself to others, but I suppose that's a whole different topic itself. I can honestly confirm that your video is great advice for anyone stuck in the Stan loop. While I think it's great to enjoy the work of others, I am 100% behind the idea of making something yourself. Thanks for the video Nate.
Ahhh omg as a kpop stan, you like really touched my heart. I thought I was the only one who saw the world this way. You really inspire me bro :). And thank you alot!
You’re the only guy who’s so good and relatable I watched you since 2017! Yay! Especially this video I haven’t started this but I had this thought so much and broken so friendship because they would be so toxic with it
listening to the bands i stan has taught me so much about myself, and i feel like i will always hold a special place in my heart for them because of that.
Holy heck I forgot your channel, I'm happy the algorithm brought us together once again. Ngl your video on great albums heavily influenced my music taste so thanks man :)
hiya nate, your insights and explanations for how the world works are absolutely fascinating to listen to. as a 14 year old this hit hard, and I really needed to hear it. thanks!
I can understand the whole stan thing. I mean its an outlet and stuff and it's good to have those things. Heck because of my autism, if I didn't have obsessive interests, I don't think I would be happy or have any way for me to cope with my problems that normal people don't have. I would be truly alone, more than I already am. But sometimes obsessive interests and stan culture goes too far. Like cmon I get it, you find something that is mostly unknown and unique, you fall in love with it, eventually the thing gains popularity and you end up feeling like the more popular it gets, the more you lose it. You get upset and start resenting the new fans because you feel like they are taking one of the only things you have that makes you happy. But at the same time you have to realize that its part of the job. A musical artist can't make money if no one listens to their songs. You never mean to hurt the artist in any way, but by having that mindset, you are only thinking about yourself and how that creator is only there for you and no one else.
hi nate i really relate to you in so many ways from "emo" music to religion i found you through the atheism video when i was looking up videos about it ive been atheist my whole life because my mother and father are both atheist but ive always been confused regardless and that video really helped by hearing someone else talk about feeling similar to how i felt im still only 13 so i dunno much about what i think cause it feels like its never consistent haha thank you
i also admire by reading comments ive noticed a lot of people feel this way about you and your content you truly achieve what you intend to thats so swag
You are helping me, I watched your Freashman guide so many times in eighth grade that I had a an expectation for it and BOY DID IT DELIVER, Now I'm a sophomore and am probably gonna watch the jr year one when I'm a senior... Thanks so much and you really do connect with alot of us, I'm not special but I did have a toxic stand phase and I'm not anymore I grew out of it and most of what you said is pretty true, it's hard to fit in or feel confident when you grades and friends say you're not as good as us and I'm an aspiring artist that fucking sucks at playing music and drawing compared to my friends and that's okay because at the end of the day, I KNOW HOW TO ALL STAR ON MY GUITAR AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T
Well to be fair, Raid really takes excellent care of their creators. They've really helped me out this month and helped me achieved a big goal of mine in my personal life. They've definitely been a huge positive force for me this year and have made things much better. ❤️
I’m autistic and so I get where you’re coming from definitely, but a lot of my special interests are some fandoms: eg, shatter me, musicals, etc. so sometimes it’s hard to NOT talk about it because it’s literally the only thing that goes through my head.
K-Pop stans when they can’t send a fancam during a real life argument.
💀
PFT- 😂
I wish I could 🥺
I mean they could just start dancing but that would be really awkward.
@@starry_yoongs4999 no
Here’s some tips for when you get angry at someone on the internet:
1) turn off the computer
2) turn off the computer
3) TURN OF THE DAMN THE COMPUTER
4) take a break for however long you need
5) drink some water
6) track them down and eat their hair while they sleep
7. turn it back on to compliment the wallace wells pfp
But I'm on a phone.
@@MeteorSmash TURN OFF THE DAMN PHONE
Sometimes I hate the term stans because it makes grunkle Stan seem like one of these weirdos. He didn't deserve any of this
My boy is getting lumped in with weirdos
I now have the image of grunkle Stan being a k pop Stan in my head
Stan from IT commited suicide because of this also and not because of Pennywise
My man Stan
In sixth grade, I was a very cringy Brandon mull fan and let me tell you, my boy Stan Sorenson from Fablehaven is a cool grandpa and doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the weirdos.
Raid be having a budget bigger than the whole population of India
Edit: it has been confirmed, Raid does have a budget bigger than the entire population of India
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I barely look at the youtube comment section anymore because its become toxic. Anywhere you let people say things it becomes toxic.
@@poopman6146 It Always Surprises Me How Much People Overlook How Toxic RUclipsr Commenters Are
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Wish you told me that sooner.
I remember watching your videos back in 2017. Cool to see you’re still making videos.
I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. Glad to have you back! ❤️
You only reply to Verified people? >;(
@@xGruffy no he replies to unverified people as well. just because he doesn’t reply to you does not mean he only talks to verified viewers
@@XxbussinxX chill out I’m joking
@@xGruffy oh didn’t look like you were joking lol
I don't think I'm a toxic stan. I really hope I'm not at least. I get really into the things I like though, and just pour over them again and again. I talk at length about them with friends and family and often think about the characters and plot in my spare time. I don't do it for a sense of identity, but because it makes me happy. I love becoming devoted to each new fandom because it fills me with happiness to be a part of. I try my best to avoid toxicity and I can get pretty annoying, but it consistently makes me haply
I think that’s relatively normal. I mean I’m the same way lol as long as ur not using it to bash other ppl for not being a “real fan” or whatever. I completely get what u mean lol
100% this is what I do too. I get into and have done this with AJR, Twenty One Pilots, and a few other bands that aren't very well known (The Front Bottoms and Raccoon Therapy, still known by some but not a lot of the people I talk to know them) or like with Harry Potter, I get a little obsessed but I'm not going to go after new fans for not knowing what AJR stands for or what style The Front Bottoms really have. Most of these communities were really nice to me when I first started listening or reading, Im going to show the same respect back.
As long as you don't respond with Kpop in everything (on social media) you are fine :D
yeah
same
@@callmekirbzz6648 AJR and twenty one pilots are extremely popular, if you're talking about them a couple years ago yeah I'm with u on that
"READ FANFICTION"
*has a picture of a glass of milk...*
NOOOOOO
Me, a Ryden stan: 👁👄👁
Ugh you really hit the nail on the head with this one. I discovered BTS when they debuted and for years it was an incredibly small community. When they started gaining popularity it made me INCREDIBLY happy because it meant they were getting recognized for their talent and I could finally talk about them without being seen as weird. But it also became immediately toxic. And because they were massive, their first concert around my area wasn't as intimate or kind as I have experienced with previous bands. (A Day to Remember & MCR concert goers were much nicer) I never made anyone feel bad, but it did rub me the wrong way when the same people who bullied me for my music taste were claiming to "not be like other girls". I haven't really followed BTS for over a year now, but I still wish them growth and success.
same I've known bts since their debut but I've dissociated myself from the fandom and stick to other kpop groups
I grew out my beard during quarantine, and afterwards, I met up with an old high school friend who said, "You watch NateIsLame? Because you look exactly like him with that beard!" THAT is what fandoms are for
HOLY MOLY NATE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO LIKE MY COMMENT AHHHHHHHH
I'll do it again
@@NateIsLame Okay the shock has worn off now. In all seriousness, I hope that you're doing well and that you had a good holiday and that maybe next year will be less awful. I wish you this not just as a fan, but as a fellow human being. Stay spicy!
*"My name is Stan. And I'm offended."*
Hey weren’t you like assassinated a few years ago or something
no ur abraham lincoln
Wait, i remember you were saying that "I remember you was conflicted. Misusing your influence. Sometimes i did the same. Abusing your power full of resentment". Did you meet Kdot?
@@dimthecat9418 nah, i heard he orchestrated the ww77 or something idkk
Sup person I have never met and I somehow know who you are
I’m a part of the raccoon tour fandom and I recommend joining it. They got some good tunes
Nah they suck
@ZackGaming Productions whooosh
@@NateIsLame *sends raccoon tour fancam*
As a Kpop fan I can admit that yes there are Kpop stans and yes they can be jerks or just flat-out creepy, but I also think Kpop gets a bad rep and people assume everyone in the fandom acts that way. That’s just a part of the fandom that makes itself more well-known.
*"We don't stan with raid Shadow Legends. Me and my homies hate Raid Shadow Legends"*
Nice to see you around here, Mr. Lincoln. Congratulations on the recent election win. You really won by a landslide!
I mean I can afford a car for the first time in my life so 🤷♀️
@@NateIsLame big dubs
@@NateIsLame good for you man
I've been a kpop stan for 3 years and I constantly feel like shit when people put us together with the toxic vocal minority and make us all look bad. I know it's the same with other fandoms as well. Everything would be so much better if we all learned to differentiate them and respect everyone's interests. As long as you're not hurting anyone then stan what you wanna stan man (and also pick up a hobby related to your interests :3 I love doing fanart and making my own artworks and writing stories :D)
Kinda weird but you do you.
@@tseriesbad6746 What's weird about it?
Staning is bad, no not having an interest or finding a band or group really really cool, I mean like stalking and constantly trying to get noticed by the group, it can lead down a bad path and never seems to end well, you can still be a huge fan but it’s important not to cross the line, though drawing fan art and writing seems pretty cool
@@Toad-eaterofbug The word stan has kinda lost it's meaning of stalker fan, some regular K-pop fans call ourselves stans just because we regularly enjoy the music and stuff like that. The ones that stalk the artist and do shady things shouldn't even be called stans, just simply stalkers.
@@Cmuse55 Stan still generally has a negative meaning, at least in my opinion
There are many people that claim TØP and BTS saved their lives. They touched them in a way that made them realise life is worth living and inspired them. So its understandable how when someone insults these bands, Stans get very emotional about it. I love your honesty in this video, I'd imagine your 'Stan' days aren't something ur too proud of haha.
Some stans are just... Ugh. I understand liking them because they helped yiu. Hell, that’s why I donated to Sleepy as often as I can, so I can support him. Just... Don’t be a freak and harm people or send death threats.
i understand that. like so many bands and artists helped me through tough times but the older i get stan twitter looks scarier
@@Glaycier of course. I'm not a stan but I understand where they are coming from.
@@ischristinaok I agree lol
Fun fact: BTS "saves lives" and ARMY take lives
I’d love to see Nate on the Official Podcast
Maybe this year 👀
It’s definitely okay to be apart of something. But don’t let something consume who you’re as a individual person.
I think nowadays every pre teen to teen has a „toxic stan“ phase. I‘m just happy once we all grow out of it and transition to the normal stan that’s chill about their stuff because they’re mentally over it :)
No idea how this guy doesn’t have at least 1 million subs
2021 will be my year!
@@NateIsLame we all thought that about 2020 and look how that went
@@thandaysmondays8708 i agree
@@NateIsLame lmao halfway through
Star wars purged most of it's stans with the sequels...
It sucks for me as a neurodivergent person who tends to become stan-like for at least one thing at a time because that's just how my brain works. I'm self-aware enough to not be toxic, thank god, but it can be really socially isolating to be interested in something so much that it kind of scares others away from you and hinders your ability to relate to others. So in my case, my stan-like behavior isn't a result of social isolation, but rather the other way around.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with investing a ton of your time and attention into stuff you're passionate about! As long as you aren't cruel to anyone else, you're alright in my book!
@@NateIsLame based
I understand where the posessiveness and like the entitlement come from, when you love something you want to protect it and you want it to be your thing, and when it becomes main stream it can feel upsetting but we need to learn not to be gatekeepers
omg anathema at the end of the video i haven’t listened to that song in forever
Same omg it has been years
yess i was looking for this comment
6:12 The fact I know what that means scares me
*Same lmfao*
Panic! fans are screeching
_What does the milk mean?_
@@dr.shiningpurple its the milk fic. I advise you don’t read it in public tho
@@duru7865 i think i might know what you're talking about. 👀
So true what you said.
If it wasn’t for kpop, i would never get the courage to dance(join a dance team) , edit, write story or learn another language
he hearted ur comment
same! appart for the dance, I learned afro dance since I'm born. The thing of having African's parents
i stopped listening to Mother Mother for this notification, i hope you're proud of yourself
Ohh! Nice taste dude 👌 😎
@@lizflowersg603 thank you 😎
Which song?
As an edgy 14 year old, can confirm, I love your band and vividly remember the two times you talked to me on Amino like two years ago
I honestly hardly even realized that I was unhealthily obsessed with some “emo” bands in middle school because I had such a hard time trying to fit in back then and I felt like constantly listening to these bands and attaching myself to the members kind of made up for that in a way. I was always so lonely and didn’t feel like I could possibly fit in anywhere (which I still feel like today, honestly), but loving these bands so much made me feel like I had a sense of purpose that I couldn’t find anywhere else. I definitely regret being an annoying “fangirl” back then, but thankfully I mellowed out before high school and I’m still able to appreciate those bands for getting me into music and just the fact that I still like them today. Whenever I see these obsessive stans on the internet, I just kind of feel bad for them because it’s definitely possible that they feel like I did back then, with most of their happiness coming from listening to their favorite band’s entire discography in one day or watching interviews with the members for three hours straight, and the reason these kids get into heated arguments with so many people online is probably because of the various internal struggles they’re facing in real life. I don’t wish those feelings on anyone, but they’re unfortunately all too common for 11-17 year-old kids who don’t have much else going on for them, resulting in part of the reason they love bands or other fandoms so much being that they act as a coping mechanism or a distraction from everything else.
I'm honestly so glad I didn't start getting into music fandoms until I was 16/17. I had matured/calm down a lot since Middle School. And boy if I had discovered MCR, FOB, P!ATD, etc. during Middle School, I would have for sure cringe to death right now. (P. S. I did know who MCR, FOB, and P!ATD were in Middle School, I just didn't care for bandoms that much).
you have hit the milestone. the raid shadow legends has chosen you.
Man this video hit hard. I used to be a pretty hardcore TOP fan and a big weeb, and looking back, I've grown a lot over the last few years. I still enjoy both TOP and anime stuff, but it's not my personality. Thank you for this, I think anyone who's in any kind of fandom should absolutely watch this.
this is such a good and well spoken video, we sTaN-
I love how the term Stan originated from the Eminem song and describes a crazy toxic and misguided fan experience. So no wonder so many “stans” act the same , yet somehow we are surprised by their behaviors
Raid? They grow up so fast...
Damn Nate you got sponsored by Raid? When's the book coming out lol
2023
@@NateIsLame wait hold up 🤭
Damn this was amazing. I agree with everything you said in this video. Sadly all fandoms will have a bad side, but we can’t let the overpower anything.
Just look at my literal profile pic. Sometimes I realize that it might not exactly be accepted spending so much time in a fandom, but it has inspired my to expand my art creativity.
Now I’m looking forward to creating new paintings and drawings in the future because of the inspiration that lead me here.
Really love this video, keep up the great work :)
Really thoughtful video about stan culture, and the way you discussed it really encourages me to look at snobbish gatekeepers in a more empathetic way.
i dunno if you already liked them but i have a band to recommend, i stalked your spotify and you weren’t following them so i don’t think you do but i’m really into Bright Eyes right now and think you’d like them :)
they’re really good :)
Why would you stalk his Spotify?
Bro, this brought me full circle-
You introduced me to MCR and so many bands with your emo phase video, I became kind of a toxic stan, got out of it and I'm now watching this video with a lot more knowledge in how to act in fandoms :)
I was just having a conversation with my brother about this topic yesterday. If your entire identity revolves around a certain thing that someone else made, are you really *you* anymore?
7 months late but it’s something I’ve struggled with for a god awful long time, having bounced from fandom to fandom since 9. The last time I ever considered myself a stan had to be at age 12 but just the mere simple act of being enveloped in such fanbases, you become morphed with the crowd. Public figures refer to you as a collective and that is how you learn to identify. A fan of [blank] or a [blank] stan. You ultimately adopt that label until you become just like everyone else. Same social media layouts, same jokes, same quotes, same feedback, same beliefs. A hivemind, if you will. Ultimately, yeah. You really aren’t your own person anymore.
I think fandoms are really important for children (especially for neurodivergent ones) They also create a great start for arts (writing, art, animation, and editing) but it is important to seperate reality and fiction
It means so much to me to hear someone talking about this. I've been a toxic stan before, and it's a difficult thing to break out of. Thanks for the video!!
damn, i feel like i really needed to hear that... all this stan stuff happening on twitter got some of us including me hella confused so thanks for clearing the air nate
last time I was this early mcr was still broken up
edit: I rlly got called out for having a tøp pfp hahahah (I promise I'm not a stan anymore I just cant be bothered to change it tbh)
Honestly, great video, wouldn't have gotten an interest to storytelling and lesser known bands without this channel. Thank you :)
I have been a fan of this channel for a while now. I think a couple years or something now, maybe more. It feels like yesterday but I don't think it could have been more then 10th grade so it has to be at least two years. What even is time anymore? I'm getting off topic. Point is I only wish I'd found this channel sooner. This channel helped me a lot and I only wish I'd found it a little earlier so it could have helped the younger me sooner. She was really having a rough time. This channel was there when I felt alone and helped me pick up the pieces. Nate you've done a lot of good. I'm probably not the only one you've helped feel less alone and who's learned a few lessons along the way.
the reason that i love my fandoms so much is that they give me comfort and joy. yeah, i know a lot about the members of my group, but i'm not gonna bully people if they don't know as much as me. if you like the music and it helps you, that's all you need
God u are so genuine and have such knowledge, I cant believe I JUST found out about u
Glad to hear someone talk about this. Especially someone who's been through it themselves.
I came across a toxic super fan over a year ago for a marvel character. But they are in their 40s. And used their love of the character ("from 10 years of age" - but it's not a competition if someone else has known the character longer), mixed with their past traumas, as a form of manipulation and excuse to bully. Trying to disguise it as just being "passionate".
I tried to support their love of the character, while also trying to reason with them and help them be a bit more kind to others. But they weren't having it. Slowly, they started accusing me of gaslighting, chastising, admonishing, and censoring them.
They even felt they got to decide if they were upsetting other fans or not (spoiler: they decided no fan was ever upset by them).
I did my best, but I could see things would only get worse as they showed they felt they could do no wrong, they were always the victim, and others were to blame. So I had to end the friendship.
This is a really good video. I wish everyone could watch this cause I feel like everyone around me needs it. Good job dude
this video makes me very happy :)
YES!!! i’m so glad to see a youtuber talk about this!! i feel like a lot of these youtubers who make vids about stans but never were one themselves.
A few years a go I was an annoying Musical Stan and this video really resonated with me, Amazing job as always Nate
I really REALLY wish that stans weren't so prickly towards other people, and other people were able to recognize that there's so much more that hides behind the stan barrier...
Also, the ads were placed in the perfect spots... I'm not sure if you did that because I don't know how youtube creator stuff works, but for me the ad placement just built on the comedy.
I just wanna take a moment to appreciate the animation community on RUclips. They're all just really nice and respectful, thanks nate.
This might be unrelated but I just made the coolest bass fill with the g sharp major pentatonic scale congrats on the sponsor btw
that anathema instrumental. man. Great vid Nate! and, once more, cannot wait for the dentonweaver!
I will. Thanks for the video. All this you spoke of relates to me quite a bit, even though I don't do the things you described. Making your own dreams come true, doing the things you are passionate about and taking risks can be worth it. I will start making my dreams come true. Thanks again for this. Be seeing you.
As some wise metalhead once said in the internet "you will die as an poser, or live long enough to become elitist".
Extremely well-said my dude. My obsession with cartoons, fairy tales, Disney, and eventually anime and manga have led me to...becoming an art teacher, a career during which time I will likely spend mentoring a whole ton of weebs with the same problem, and I'm ok with this.
I relate to this a lot I really like the mcyt fandom and I was never a toxic stans trust me but I finally am setting up my own accounts and aiming to do stuff like that myself. I’m taking it slow and think that at the age I am that’s what is best but this video is very reassuring with what I just said and am glad to have seen it
I believe the word “toxic” in the title is redundant. Does there exist a nontoxic Stan?
I like to think me
@@NateIsLame you are the pardoned turkey
yes
stans are a group of people that contain hundreds of different types of people so yeah
i have met some pretty chill stans, but toxic stans are of course louder
Your videos always pull me out of whatever hole I'm stuck in, this was great man
i had like the exact same experience i was a cringey stan in middle school and freshman year, then i got a ukulele for xmas and learned house of gold (i feel attacked) and from there started writing songs, joined a band, and am now working on an ep?!? gotta love stan culture wew
You deadass describe Corpsetwt in a nutshell. Congratulations on the sponsorship ❤️❤️❤️🎊🎊🎊🎊
Love the video, you low key called us out 😅
Same with me, i had a late 21 pilots phase in 2018-2019. I see my snapchat memories of how fucking cringe i was (i probably still am).
But that doesnt really matter to me. My first instrument was also a ukulele, then i went to play guitar. Ive been playing since like 2019 and now im kinda quitting but it was nice while it lasted.
Yo, this feels so good listening to this.
It’s really pleasant and refreshing to see a video where someone’s actually being cool towards these kids and treating them like humans while gently pointing them in the right direction rather than a video where just some dude sits there and bullies children for 10 minutes lol
Though those videos can be funny sometimes I mean who doesn’t like to see kids doing cringey stuff
It also will likely have more effect, because it's far easier for the subjects of this video to dismiss someone who's hostile to them, and allow them to dismiss the entire thing. If someone makes an argument that makes them seem understood and sort of forces them to listen to a valid perspective, it's more likely to actually resonate with someone
Hit close to home for me. I would consider me from 8 months ago a fanboy of sorts, but I've been doing my best to make something for myself that I can enjoy. I find that one issue that comes with this is that the internet can easily make you feel as if your work isn't adequate or you'll never succeed because it makes you compare yourself to others, but I suppose that's a whole different topic itself. I can honestly confirm that your video is great advice for anyone stuck in the Stan loop. While I think it's great to enjoy the work of others, I am 100% behind the idea of making something yourself.
Thanks for the video Nate.
Every time I watch your videos I feel inspired to get up and do something so thanks for that 👊😳
2:35 is when the sponsorship ends
Ahhh omg as a kpop stan, you like really touched my heart. I thought I was the only one who saw the world this way. You really inspire me bro :). And thank you alot!
You’re the only guy who’s so good and relatable I watched you since 2017! Yay! Especially this video I haven’t started this but I had this thought so much and broken so friendship because they would be so toxic with it
You have more subs then the population in my hometown! Congrats! Big fan.
Congrats on getting sponsored! It great to see content creators get their due!
listening to the bands i stan has taught me so much about myself, and i feel like i will always hold a special place in my heart for them because of that.
Nate out here with another banger video, well scripted video dude and mighty entertaining, awesome job
I’m glad that your successful Nate. Someday I plan on doing something creative also. So proud that you got the grand sponsor 🥰
Ok Lowkey kinda glad I’ve been here since like 7th grade , 3 years and going strong also congrats on the sponsorship!
This is amazing. I had heard some of my favorite things all in one video from one of my favorite youtubers.
Holy heck I forgot your channel, I'm happy the algorithm brought us together once again. Ngl your video on great albums heavily influenced my music taste so thanks man :)
WOOOOO YEAH BABY THATS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR 0:20
hiya nate,
your insights and explanations for how the world works are absolutely fascinating to listen to. as a 14 year old this hit hard, and I really needed to hear it. thanks!
wish 12 year old me would've found this.
I can understand the whole stan thing. I mean its an outlet and stuff and it's good to have those things. Heck because of my autism, if I didn't have obsessive interests, I don't think I would be happy or have any way for me to cope with my problems that normal people don't have. I would be truly alone, more than I already am. But sometimes obsessive interests and stan culture goes too far. Like cmon I get it, you find something that is mostly unknown and unique, you fall in love with it, eventually the thing gains popularity and you end up feeling like the more popular it gets, the more you lose it. You get upset and start resenting the new fans because you feel like they are taking one of the only things you have that makes you happy. But at the same time you have to realize that its part of the job. A musical artist can't make money if no one listens to their songs. You never mean to hurt the artist in any way, but by having that mindset, you are only thinking about yourself and how that creator is only there for you and no one else.
hi nate i really relate to you in so many ways from "emo" music to religion i found you through the atheism video when i was looking up videos about it ive been atheist my whole life because my mother and father are both atheist but ive always been confused regardless and that video really helped by hearing someone else talk about feeling similar to how i felt im still only 13 so i dunno much about what i think cause it feels like its never consistent haha thank you
i also admire by reading comments ive noticed a lot of people feel this way about you and your content you truly achieve what you intend to thats so swag
You are helping me, I watched your Freashman guide so many times in eighth grade that I had a an expectation for it and BOY DID IT DELIVER, Now I'm a sophomore and am probably gonna watch the jr year one when I'm a senior... Thanks so much and you really do connect with alot of us, I'm not special but I did have a toxic stand phase and I'm not anymore I grew out of it and most of what you said is pretty true, it's hard to fit in or feel confident when you grades and friends say you're not as good as us and I'm an aspiring artist that fucking sucks at playing music and drawing compared to my friends and that's okay because at the end of the day, I KNOW HOW TO ALL STAR ON MY GUITAR AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T
Everytime nate uploads my heart skips a beat
So your heart is pretty healthy
thank you for this video, it really helped me open my mind more :)
Oh Nate. You fallen to Raid, just like all the rest.
Well to be fair, Raid really takes excellent care of their creators. They've really helped me out this month and helped me achieved a big goal of mine in my personal life.
They've definitely been a huge positive force for me this year and have made things much better. ❤️
@@NateIsLame lol dude it was a joke I only got love for the both of ya. Thanks for the belated christmas gift!
No worries! I just wanna make sure! I hope you had a happy holidays ❤️
@@NateIsLame I did! Thanks dude!
His Twenty One pilots is my Gorillaz
His twenty one pilots is my two door cinema club
Nate really gonna make me shed a tear this morning
Nate, your reaction to the ukelele was just like mine when I first got one in eighth grade.
wow this chanel is realy nice. The comments are so nice and free in a way. Good video keep doing what your doing men
You are the 3rd youtuber ever that make me watch an entire sponsorship. First was IceCreamSandwich, then was Noodle.
I’m autistic and so I get where you’re coming from definitely, but a lot of my special interests are some fandoms: eg, shatter me, musicals, etc. so sometimes it’s hard to NOT talk about it because it’s literally the only thing that goes through my head.
this is inspirational, needed this.
This is such a great video, I love this channel ❤❤ ^_^
That Close Your Eyes shirt though. They were so underrated. I am happy they’re coming back.
I definitely prefer this over the normal "thats so weird" comment