"No One Goes 20 Nukes" - I do. Beyond All Reason Gameplay
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Watching the replay of this from the opposing team, and I am absolutely delighted by their teamwork and communication. Frumbis gets wiped out in Drongo's push, but the team stays together and commits to the game. Frumbis asks for a T1, and someone just gives it to them. Fast forward to when Drongo shows his hand with the nuke storm, and the whole team is worrying about being unable to keep up with the anti-nukes, and FRUMBIS SAVES THE TEAM. pillow starts spamming anti-nuke units for the whole team and deploying them to the backline.
TnB87113 is a great team player. Gives units and resources left and right. Keeps the other players in the game when bad shit happens. Keeps reinforcing the weaker players to allow them a fighting chance to hold their side.
Armadillyo is wise to Drongo's disguise and tactics. The use of that one stealth bomb got the team the scouting information they needed to realize the bomber ploy was coming, so the whole team got AA up ASAP.
By the time Drongo does the next wave of nukes, there are 26 prevailers, 13 umbrellas, and 17 citadels loaded up on the winning team. Also, the moment they saw the bombers there was heavy flak deployed basically everywhere.
They start identifying and scouting the few remaining commanders then targeting those exclusively. They specifically identify Drongo's last remaining borrowed commander and target him with skuttles.
Excellent communications and a lot of encouragement and material support between team members.
Big part of that is recon. This whole replay, there's no recon going on from Drongo's team (including him) to know what won't work. (The piles of anti-nuke, the clouds of fighters ect)
Not giving energy "because what is he gonna do with it" is such a bad move. 6k energy is 12 dguns, or 6 seconds of cloak on a commander. It can be the difference between stalling for 30 secs or finally finishing that fusion. You have 2 afus already, your frontline doesn't even have a single fusion up, so it is totally justified that they ask for energy. Not that you cannot just build 2 energy storage and give it to whoever asks, so they can have more than 6k.
He is an intermediate player, what would you expect .
what would you expect from streamer? do you know any who help or share? ofc not :)
Id like to address that "i need energy" statement. You said "what you are going to do with it". Well, for you with 2 AFUS up, its one second production that you will not miss. For a front line player, that might be difference between eco stalling for a minute and not having a problem. Typically when you really need to finish an power plant. So, you are wrong there, and you are way too greedy to be a good team player, if you dont understand this. One man trash, another man treasure.
Totally true. 6k energy means 12 dguns, or 6 second in cloak for a moving commander. It can be life or death on the frontline.
I also just though: "What are you talking??? The guy will know his situation better than you do."
This a selfish *** who wants to play alone. And proceeds to do so.
This was the hardest Drongo video to watch. I'm glad you posted it, in spite of how shameful your tactics were. I'm disappointed that you appear to have no shame for your actions.
"It's just a game." is a reasonable attitude, to a point. You passed that point and started relentlessly dunking your teams heads under water.
I mean to be fair they built like 9 fucking antis lmao
protecting yourself against 50 nuke launchers seems a little excessive
I mean there were plenty of misplays all over. I don't think shaming Drongo for *trying* something is fair. Some nukes could have come out sooner, but it's not like he was particularly focused on it until almost 49 minutes into the game.
@@TheDeathlyG he made a huge push all the way to the enemy backline and none of the fronts or the pocket managed to cough up units to help
south sea player got water control for free and did minimal damage with a couple battleships tops
pocket player accomplished next to nothing that I saw
top sea player got rolled and died to the first naval landing
drongo's other pocket was their MVP, with drongo himself in 2nd place, for being the only player to actually do any damage the entire game
lets just be real here
@@sneediumminer ...and if he actually kept up the pressure instead of building excessive nukes for the lulz they could have won. The game can be summed up as three chapters...
1. Drongo builds eco, team slowly loses front.
2. Drongo builds a push that helps his team to get back into the game.
3. Drongo gets one nuke through, thinks the opposing team is too stupid to catch on and decides to waste rest of the game building more nukes that get hard countered despite never getting even close to a value target thereafter.
With nukes, if you're going to try to overwhelm then you need to focus down the anti-nukes; they become your prime targets. Getting one nuke to land means that the next round can go through. Your targeting practice on the blue sea player was correct for when you have limited or no scouting of anti-nuke capabilities of opposition; your are more likely to find gaps and "get lucky" by spreading your targeting like that than if you focus all your nukes what a dozen times on the same back line player (aiming for the edge of the map would have been more likely to find a gap than aiming center of where you think their base is).
Also, when your team mates start folding, you need to do a lot better about delegating resources rather than trying to single-handedly win. The whole team ended up folding around you; you asked for those coms, but you didn't use them effectively (you used them for the d-guns but not for re-establishing team economy), and you ended up making like four or five players sit around waiting on you to die. Less greed and self-centeredness would do you well particularly around 10 to 20 minutes in and definitely 30 to 50 minutes in. You were gnashing teeth about giving the player that called for energy resources, but you could have given thousands of energy, and it wouldn't have mattered to you, but it may have made the game for them.
I think that something you should contemplate is where the breakpoint is that you can afford to just throw down a fusion and an advanced energy converter for each of your team mates (that you give them), and it costs you basically a rounding error of your economy. Especially for front players. Something else I noticed is that you make units that you could just give to the front and let them micro while focusing on what you're really good at which is the eco building. If I were in your position, I'd be throwing down a micro economy for each of my teammates that included one or more T1 labs or units like the Consuls at least, so they can continue to function even in the event of the catastrophic failure of their forward base, and if I saw teammate go down entirely then I'd make sure they are prioritized for getting a micro economy. Getting other players back into the game and keeping other players in the game is absolutely essential to winning games.
Solo carry is a failure mode of last resort.
I'd like to second this. Drongo only has one persons APM, and that's a muliplicative economic resource. Continuing to focus economy while throwing every player on the team an AFUS/Fusion and some ADMC's would have let the other players use their APM. Throwing guard forces to his allies to let them use them, handing out T2 when he got there. There were options to make better use of the economic lead he initially built up.
"Those tidals had children" -Blue
Fun fact 7 nukes firing at the same time(might also be 6 not 100%sure) is enough to overwhelm one anti nuke even if they have 20 charges loadet because the firer rate isnt fast enough
so always build multiple anti nuke late game
Drongo was way too focused on trying to deplete antinuke spots instead of overwhelming, he shouldve fired all grouped
it depends on distance to target. they can only fire so quick so the longer the distance, the more it takes to overwhelm
@@kevintrigg3707given scenario eco to eco on supreme isthm.
Funny useless fact 100+ nukes overwhelms anti nukes even if they are in greater numbers
People saying GG in the chat is the worst attitude? Guy has only a comm, I'd always donate some butlers & t2 con and metal store with like 3k metal. Pension fund for the poor frontliners!
9-10 backliners dont send help to frontliners in the way your saying.
Right, they write it out of frustration having a eco player giving almost zero support. Not fun for those guys getting rolled over like that.
The team strategies between backline/midline/frontline need to evolve. The frontliners are always penalized by holding the line, and the back and mid lines don't seem to understand that there's a debt that they need to pay eventually and sooner than later. That debt isn't "selling T2" to the front line. At a certain point fairly soon into the game as a backliner especially, you need to be building infrastructure for the frontliners because they can neither afford to nor be effective at defending it. Drongo dropping a regular fusion and advanced energy converter for each of the frontliners (4 players in total with the 2 strait players being priority) would have completely changed the game. Those fusion and advance energy converters don't even need to be built anywhere near the frontliner's forward bases and are better served not being there; the space they'd take up near to Drongo's base (I'd put them between Drongo and the Red player) would be pretty much negligible.
Drongo gets 6 AFUs up and doesn't begin to conceptualize how much having even one of those would absolutely change the frontline's game. Like sure, eco players need to scale, but there's diminishing returns on that due to the ability of people like Drongo to make split priority decisions. Delegation is the only sensible way forward in general. Either you build units for frontliners--for free--or you build infrastructure for them. Maybe you go "greedy" and every 9 things you build is for you and 1 for them, but what you absolutely don't do is take 1 of their things for every 9 things you build for yourself.
What is given is generally multiplied.
not only did he only have a com but instead of deligating to him to dgun he instead is given that guy's com never gives it back and does next to nothing with it for the duration of the game. and his team mate left after a while as this stops him from contributing further. There is no I in a BAR team.
Yeah, but that requires understanding that other people exist... something Drongo seems to be struggling with lately
Real talk I think you could have helped your team more than just memeing with the nukes rofl.
Yea, i am a total noob, but looks like he let the front line players really go down without helping just a little. Those 4 Thor's and that's it. Not fun to play with back line guys like this.
He could have ended the game by just staying with the T3 push. He kept switching and reclaiming multiple times.
@@rekrn12345 Yeah, the thing where he doesn't establish and keep multiple vectors of attack and progression is a weird quirk. I get the whole argument for early game reclaims and standing metal amounts for the expensive T2 and T3 factories, but there's a point around 20 minutes into the game where that all is a rounding error to your economy, and your time and energy is best spent on making sure that you're pumping out units and defenses or scaling rather than finicking about with where to place this or that factory or its support construction towers.
The deployment of the excessive lines of flak were a nice start too for static defenses, but he didn't follow up by building static anti-ground defenses to back the flak. A lot of damage he took as his allies crumpled around him could have been mitigated or entirely stopped by him doing proper static defensive turtling around his base and his allies bases. ALWAYS grow the zone of control; the game is only truly lost when your team's zone of control is shrinking at the boundaries of the uncontested growing zone of control of the opposition.
It is weird to me how the beginning to mid players think of the game as being about using one and only one unit type or attack strategy at a time. You're almost always expecting to be hit by every unit type and every attack strategy type over the course of any arbitrary game with an arbitrary number of players. This means that you should generally expect to start out with some unit type and attack strategy, but as the game evolves, you should always be expecting to diversify. Especially once you cross the 20 to 30 minute mark without decisive victories. Games that start to stretch towards the 45 minute to 60 minute mark or beyond practically necessitate anyone still standing has air, land, and water/hover capabilities simultaneously operating, and this becomes more true the fewer team mates you have standing.
What serves players in the short games (30 minutes or less) is often a waste of time and effort in the mid to long games.
damn drongo being a drongo
I would've been so pissed off if my teammate played this way.
the nuke was good but why stop helping front? then you decide to go into air when they already have tons of air and AA, lost tons of bombers etc. Could of made like 20 thors m8
yeah I understand that it's more for entertainment but it could have been won several times over with more traditional approach. It did ruin game for some other players. Frontline is not a meatshield these are other players who rely on you and who also want to have fun not just die for you.
They had a moderate amount of air prior to it, but they got early detection on the bomber gambit when they used a skuttle or bedbug to blow up some of Drongo's infrastructure. The whole team immediately scrambled to build excessive quantities of AA along side their nuke defenses. By the time Drongo committed the bombers, the team was prepared and waiting for the attack with three players having amassed planes specifically to deal with the air push. Drongo and Will's attempt absolutely exhausted the fighter screen of Armadillyo's forces and much of the airforce of pillow.
I've played a lot on this map because I feel like its a good map to learn to be aware on the map and to learn how to help your team out. Somehow it seems to me most people don't actually want to learn to keep their team alive. I fully understand that the backline needs to do the eco thing but after an hour or more of apm stalling with 35 Sharpshooters and 17 razor backs which are just sitting back not even holding the front because managing a handful of nuke launchers is too time consuming. It would be frustrating to be on this team...
It's the self-absorbed attitude you see in so many MOBA players, too. They think that must carry the game and that resource going to the rest of their team is considered a waste, because they don't trust their team to make good use of it.
Sometimes people ask for energy when they want to cloak their Commander and D gun. Definitely something to keep an eye out for.
Flaws; 1. Stopped building eco. 2. Dithered back and forth. 3. Reclaiming too much. 4. Lack of teamplay. 5. Lack of macro queues. 6. Fixation.
1. When pivoting from eco to 'going online,' it does make sense to stop ecoing for a bit. You, however, stopped growing your economy for the rest of the game. That's a mistake, and one I think ultimately cost you this game as I believe raw economical power could have overcome your other flaws this game.
2. You swapped focus back and forth, ultimately accomplishing nothing. You had no clear purpose in mind when doing the swap, either. Take going air as an example - you had no intended target, no identified weakness in the enemy team, and little commitment to actually playing air. Similarly, you had little commitment to actually playing ground. If you're not going to ensure your units have a good effect on the enemy, give them to someone who will, and draw enjoyment from watching your ally, your teammate, destroy the enemy with the units you gave them.
3. Zealous reclaiming is a great idea in the beginning. It remains a great idea later on for larger investments of metal, such as for labs. You, however, take it too far. There is a finite resource you are not taking into account when doing your reclaiming: Time. It takes time to reclaim, and you need to think about whether the reclaim order is worth the time spent on it in two senses; First from the player perspective - where you already need to be doing a lot in the game, and the micro spent reclaiming may not be 'worth it' in opportunity cost - time better spent elsewhere. Second from the game perspective - where because it takes time to build infrastructure, if you foresee yourself using that infrastructure in the future it may be better to have it remain on the field than to spend the build time again later on.
4. You can actually use teamplay to reduce the burden upon yourself. Like, for example, telling them to ask you for help if they need it, theoretically relieving you of looking at the frontline all the time. Practically, it's a moot point as you didn't do much looking at the frontline. If necessary, you can also think of your allies as ready-built labs, where if you just slot in some metal and energy they'll spit out units. So rather than building your own, you can just make use of the already built labs in your allies bases, though you might find the """ai""" to be a bit wonky at times.
5. You keep doing micro orders, doing this, that, and the other individually, like some manner of artisan base-builder. This results in you stretching yourself too thin, and disallowing yourself from properly microing your units into battle because you constantly jump back and forth between base-building and fighting. You need to establish a macro build queue to give yourself the time to take in the larger strategic view, and to order your fighting units effectively. Putting it in the form of a question; Is there any difference between your constructor's AI blocking itself from building for a few seconds, and your constructors not building anything because you didn't give your units any long build queues? I think your narrow focus on avoiding one inefficiency results in another.
6. You can tell how many antinukes a player has by how your nukes blow up. If they all blow up in sequence, they have one. If they blow up in parallel, they have multiple. Because of this, you can identify weak spots in enemy antinuke coverage by observing how your nukes are being blown up. To my eye the enemy looked to have three or more antinukes at the spot you decided to nuke for the rest of the game. It's like seeing someone double down on tic spam against multiple Juno's. Baffling.
The nuke observation is pretty good, but the second mass salvo of nukes met a wall of 13 umbrellas, 27 prevailers, and like three or four citadels. They massively fortified the top left backliner after Drongo almost hard reset the right side backliner. Most of the anti-nukes were piled up close together, so they hid their numbers by stacking the anti-nukes on top of each other.
#2 in your list is really good point. Part of what goes on is I think Drongo gets fatigued around 30 to 45 minutes into the game. Intense early game tends to win him many games, but it means that when he plays long games he's burnt out by the time the window for the "easy" early wins has closed, and it means he has less practice with endurance trials in 8 v 8, so it is less clear what singular win condition will work other than "I built a world record lolcannon"; the lolcannon strategy basically stops being a decisive victory around 30 to 45 minutes in; similar to how a 5 minute nuke in speedmetal will win a game almost single handedly, but almost no amount of nukes will win straits after about 30 minutes.
TnB and Pillow were really good contrasts to Drongo; they ended up having all kinds of different labs and were producing whatever it was that they needed at a given moment, AND they were constantly producing something. At one point, pillow had like 50 scouts swarming around that got ultimately sent towards Drongo's position and almost made it all the way. I think Drongo could learn a lot from TnB's team play in particular.
I think point 4 is the big one in combo with point 1. Drongo's strength is his eco building, if he leveraged that via the rest of his time, throwing around resources and units for them to use while he just keeps scaling economy and potentially throwing out some static defenses? Drongo could use his eco strength as a lever to tilt the entire match in their favor.
@@Sorain1Yeah he seems to have little understanding of military tactics, TBH. I am the reverse - I totally suck at eco, but know tactics. 🤷♂
Also: just scouting their bases would have helped. Might find a weakspot. That's military basics.
@@KAClown That reminds me of that Israeli mission where 2 aircraft flew Top Gun style to look like one plane on radar.
If i ever see someone named "Afus addict" im sending so many bombers
not upgrading that node kills me inside.
not efficient, think of the 10 seconds it would have taken him to walk that t2 con over there, in that time he put a slight more amount of build power on his 3rd afu, the game only lasted like 30 minutes after that, the extra 10k metal that would have given him just isnt worth it
Fun tactic you could have niked the mid enough to fully submerg it stoping all ground forces from crossing untell the sent land repair 😂
suggested game modes to try...
Reclaimer only mode... everyone just builds an army of reclaimers, whoever builds the most, reclaims everything : D No weapons, no projectiles, no military units of any kind other than reclaimers.
Batman mode - 30 minutes prep time, to build up and scale.. military unit product production starts at 31... no skirmishes, no scouting, no going beyond your base MX's... then KABOOM... SUPER ARMIES AND NUKES AND basically melt your graphics card levels of digital violence !
i got more where that came from, ask me more !
For f*ck sake I laughed so hard at this comment ROFL
The community of this game is very kind
I feel you just skipped over shields. they hard counter marauders because the marauders can't fire EVEN IN THE SHIELD. so shields + static def/snipers just counters them
I think a good backline eco player adjusts to the gameplay. As a backline you should be using T3, but if your frontline isn't holding T2 also does wonders for your team. Anti nuke is crucial for your backliners, so you should set it up in the middle between you both.
So many players try to get an afus up as soon as possible. Go for the anti nuke first, ask the team if they want a t2 bot and get them to pay for it. It jumpstarts everyone that buys from you. Its even faster if you can get a transport and transport it to their bases.
3 afus will spam maruaders easily, and depending on how your short beach is, you should cover that with a few marauders, and also the frontline shore with marauders, and help hold the mid with marauders, then if you want to play offensive you can. But the better you support your team the better the team does. By helping the front line you give the front line time to rebuild/repair/eco. By helping the short beach you help them rebuild/eco.
4 thors was a good move, but you could have built so many marauders, switching to nukes means you lost your frontline/midline/short beach.
As soon as those last volleys started and enough anti nuke charges all hit them at the same time that it was like an impenetrable wall, it was pointless to continue nuking that same spot. Anti nukes just build so fast that you need more than double the nukes to get through. Each anti nuke can stop something like 6 nukes on its own in one volley, and it can stock up to 20 ish anti nukes. Just 3 anti nukes is roughly enough for them to negate about 18 nukes for 4 or so volleys, and they had as many anti Nukes as you had Nukes. At that point you should have been aiming everywhere else. They put a ton of resources into anti-nukes on their backline, so they may have forgot to put enough of it everywhere else.
I have to say you let your team down. The moment you knew the Nukes were not working as the most “responsable” player on the team you have a duty to them. I like your videos but watching you lose because you let the team down is not fun. I would be happy for a win or a loss if you did all you can. You didn’t get more income the last part of the match and you were more worried about what everyone else was doing over what you should be been doing. Next time you decide to work on Nukes is the moment all you do is Income. Good match by the way.
its really annoying watching you get carried by your team while you sit and just eco but thats just my opinion
Never have I wished so much that he lost as punishment for his selfish way of playing, and I got the satisfaction. It's just a shame for his teammates who had an hour of their lives wasted. :)
"paying more attention to the front may have made sense" the best push the front had was when you finally contributed units to it but no, had to go back to playing simcity...
might need to take some notes from your own apology video
but yerh frontline player saying good game is totally the worst attitude
Exaactly, need another apology video for the poor frontliners working hard for him to simcity beyond all reason
Dude tries to take all the resources in all his games then plays tunnel vision sim city, 0 map awareness. Please make another apology video.
Yep, if the first salvo doesn’t work, you need to move onto juggernaut spam or thors.
lmao bad display here, you focused too much on eco entirely without much contribution to your team at all, and when you do contribute then immediately reclaim everything back to eco again lol, Even after your frontline fell, you still reclaim labs for eco like what? well deserved lost
Despite what the naysayers harp on about, i think that this could have been more helpful if the nukes had been more focused, earlier than 49 minutes, and you had continued to scale slowly on the back of it.
Imagine if you had been able to support up to 40 silos, and were able to drill some of the anti-nuke coverage. I mean, if 6 nukes = 1 fully stocked anti-nuke, you could easily force the *entire* enemy team to have to build 7+ anti nukes, or get worn down and die.
"oh no we're overflowing.. thats a good sign that we're overflowing.. that means we're effectively ecoing right here" yeah keep telling yourself that lmao
Much better to spread nukes out to try and find holes. After the first volley connected on water should have targeted there.
"oh my god, how do we penetrate that insane anti nuke defense?!"
"... more... nukes"
How will your nukes ever get through? If you can't overcome it wjth the first launch, then you can't overcome in on the 100th unless you have more missiles to launch at the same time.
You won't exhaust their stockpile because theirs build faster, right?
Believe you are correct
Hey it’s me, the gremlin 41:44. Love your videos! keep ‘em coming!
What did Drongo do that most helped your team win?
Armadillyo? Great play with that. I didn't realize until I was watching the replay from your team's side that y'all spotted and immediately responded to the bomber threat because of that. The team play between all of you was immaculate. An absolutely delight and joy to watch.
Ive done the 20+ nuke strategy before. Honestly, it's one of my favorites. Your opponent will always have anti nukes. But they will not have *enough* anti nukes.
You know what they say.... If at first you don't succeed, just keep doing the same thing over and over and over....
Also a Stupid cheap solution to the invis was to just spam some T1 cameras and even LLT or pop up turrets my dude
Mines. Mines still blow up if they drive over them don't they?
Do cameras detect spies?
@@tavishlaughlin9530 Cameras see invis yes I think.
Cheers to Spammie, the true pioneer of this playstyle!
I like playing this game but today I like watching these vids even more.
I swear nobody reacts to stealthy units by building anti-stealth buildings.
Would it not be sensible for the eco guy to give some afus/metal converters to players who got wiped out but are looking to still play?
Seems like a waste of the team's APM to have someone stand with no energy and no metal starting their base from scratch.
Literally beyond all reason
What was the change to nanos?
I love nukes as well. But you should have switched targets. Anti-Nuke is much cheaper but you can't build them.everywhere you can shoot.
I wonder how an eco player performs that mainly focus on supporting the other players? Give them T2. Give them Fusion Reaktors. Give them ASUF later or keep a sureplus of power.
Nobody has ever played against 20 nukes.
And lived to talk about it.
We played against at least 48 for several salvo
Drongo, rocket spiders counter tanks and tick spam
I've only ever worked as a webdev, but a lot of the time super simple things turn into absolute clusterfucks when trying to develop. The "don't trap yourself while building" thing is simple, but I'm positive it's an absolute slog to do. Especially when bots are building separately from one another and much of the codebase being worked with is open-source. Sounds like a nightmare of a feature to work on.
hey buddy, your comment bot ended up in the wrong video
@@AidanNaut0 not really, at some point he complains about the bot always blocking the next building and how easy or not it would be to make the AI better
So many opportunities to expand and scale, water was available to take as well, amphib units to pressure the other side.
Whenever you get that baseline 3 or 4 AFUS up you gotta just keep expanding.
Also a wall of shruikins is OP for stopping T1 spam on the cheap.
Gotta waste your team's time and effort by meme'ing, lol.
why go after the furthest back player protected by alllll the other anti nukes infront of it.. makes more sense to hit the front line where potentially there was only 1 anti nuke vs your swarm of nukes... good strat just wrong target.
those tidals had CHILDREN
We were attacked and died by salvoes of nukes one after another until didn't have enough anti to counter. When game was finished I saw only 1 enemy player has 48 nuke launchers. Still if I hadn't got pc blue dead and lost at least 10-15 min of game, could build more anti nukes and stay alive. I want to say nukes attack must hit by first round otherwise enemy can build infinite anti.
You could’ve been a better teammate
This was such a fun game to face against you. Hope I get to battle you again 😎
Hudson Mohawke should do the soundtrack.
48:00 Man, that camera is so glitchy. Such a great game... I have to look if I can submit a better camera smoothing function, this hurts to watch
Nuclear la.....volley detected.
Awesome video, are you playing on a Steam Deck?
Why go 20 nukes? Hence the name, "Beyond all Reason"
Could have won the game with a Razorback + Thor/Titan push, but I respect the commitment to the noooook.
I've enjoyed a fair amount of drongo vids... but mate, this was just intentionally trolling your team for content.
Nuke overwhelm is so underwhelming.. so few anti needed to completely snuff it out
I think you should have used more nukes, I think there was a severe lack of nukes, should have quadrupled your nukes, that way your nukes have nuke friends........nukes.
they expected 20 nukes...
You are good at this game... but you are a horrible team player... you play greedily and alone.
bro, how the F you put reclaim orders in your queue ? My nanos reclaim the first and start building after that.
If you can just spam nukes, why not use them defensively?
Looks like Drongo watched Oppenheimer.
man yor frontline sure likes to call gg immediately
As a frontline, I understand, that frontline went over 25 minutes till someone even sent pawn spam towards them. Its so frustrating watching backline do fuckall while youre having to stop t2 pushes with t1 units for the past 10 minutes. Ive blown up on several backliners doing this exact same thing, like bruh, the 10 nukes you sent the last 10 times didnt work, could I PLEASE get some help now?
also dude said gg after drongo started helping frontline, made a few thors, killed a few bases, they did stuipidly well, and then just.... fucked off again... like bruh
@@agentbarron3945 I understand the frustration but don't say gg in team chat, say more in the way of hey if we don't get help we will lose pretty soon and then just keep trying if the game ends in a loose you can blame back line but being pessimistic to you backline probably wont help. Drango for sure did it wrong this game but i always say be optimistic and nice until the game is actually over, otherwise you'll end up with a community like League
Painful to watch... I did anyway - just to find out what useless eco feels like from first perspective... Saw exactly what I needed.
Drongo decided to go Base Delta Zero
I found your channel back in the AoE3 days, been watching a lot of videos on AoE4 and now have watched all of your BAR videos... But frankly I'm losing interest with how you seem to be doing less and less to actually support your teams in BAR when they need it. I'm more interested in good team play than I am in niche strategies, no matter how fun, but used when you're just frustrating the other players. -1
Entertaining narration, but man, I wouldn't ever want to be on your team.
too little nukes ... make it 50 ... :D why didn´t you use them as defence to push the ground units a bit out .. build more and more .. 20 is not enough I guess .. antinuke is one of the first things i always buid :D . kind of paranoia :D
Been waiting for this one! It was a great game. Really felt like our whole team vs Drongo towards then end. We almost lost at several points.
What did Drongo do that most helped your team win?
If he had pushed more with the initial Thors he would have won. We didn’t have much to defend that. Otherwise scouting out and reacting. We built a ton of antinuke after that first volley.
Me and a friend played this game and tried it for the first time, of course we both really fucked up against the Ai and got overrun.
This was on a map with islands, fairly big and neither of us had figured out the tiering system.
2nd game played out somewhat similarly, except we had gotten the tier understanding.
3rd game was our first win, in short... What saved us was me investing in nukes and just running 2 silos on overtime and spamming oracles to scout for the Ai opponents' facilities.
I guess from here on out, need to learn the eco and get that flowing correctly.
I wish more people would play with nukes turned off. Nuke rushes are cheesy and nuke spam never works especially after the first salvo.
Drongo plz for the love of God and my sanity make a few videos going over what each role should be doing from an overview the drongos are strong >20. Begging man few short 10 min vids on eco, tech, air, front, axillary 😂😂😢😢 I'm losing it man I don't know what I'm gona do if I get another game where front rushes t2 b4 10 min and falls blaming backing or they build afus on front instead of buying from back
The only things that belong on the front line is construction turrets labs and defenses ALL ECO IN BACK
far too much dicking about changing your mind, wasting time and resources building and reclaiming. pick a plan and stick to it
1:04:40 Duuuuh. Seriously, what did you expect???
You are extremely good at building eco but you have no clue of proper military tactics.
This guy scams every game
to be honest, Drongo analyzed it 100% correct - HE DID NOT MAKE ENOUGH UNITS! at ANY time in the full game...
and by the way: building T1 metal converters after having a 1st fusion online and several T2 cons available is inefficient and waste of metal
so going eco and not contributing units to the game for over such long time is THE WORST GAMEPLAY ever - sorry, but its simply true
lmao i just played a skirmish against the AI (8v8 Hard) and nuked the enemies 4 times, (with a total of 28 nukes). Killed their frontliners, backliners, and their navy player.....
And my friendly AI didnt move any of its units in to attack, and cowered from a group of 3 titans, who walked into my base and blew me up, making us lose. So frustrating lol
i would also cower to walk to their base if i just saw 28 nukes landing on it lol
very underwhelming nuke explosion. In FAF, the nuke is as bright as looking inte sun like it should be, something special, a Highlight, not just a bigger explosion like this, how disappointing.
but he doesnt play FAF :)
Lol you copied drongo!! Thats funny, i wonder if that guy eventually clued in that he was gunna be on yt
"You know what they say..."
"I don't really know what they say!" :D
Really entertaining video, keep them coming. I never played this game and I'm really hooked in :)
someone copy that drongo build LMAO
People taking this incredibly serious. The nuke spam was clearly experimentation and a joke. If you view it as a waste of time, that's fair. But I've " wasted " a lot of time just getting destroyed because new players don't know what they're doing or some lvl 40 says " I'm gonna try something " and we lose.
Plenty of content creators make fun video's. I had fun watching it and fun seeing the enemy team react and block every attempt Drongo made :)
He wasted 65 minutes of 7 of his teamates (and arguably 8 of the enemy's) time. These games normally take 20-40 minutes. If he wants to meme do it in an unranked lobby or some 3v3.
We need a successful nuke run now
When you're at a point in eco when you can pay for a new lab in a matter of seconds, then there's absolutely no reason to reclaim the labs you already have. Diversity is key, and having every lab at your disposal will help you transition strategies with less downtime.
Also, you really gotta get over your OCD, man. There's zero, none, nada, no reason whatever to reclaim T1 converters. If you need space, build somewhere else. You're losing out on free metal.
And for the love of God, build more than one T2 constructor. Metal is a sunk cost, but build power gives returns on investment. A second con would let you get all your T2 mexes up faster, as well as duplicate your build orders so you can build reactors and converters at the same time. You focus too much on reducing initial metal investment, when building faster is more important.