I LOVE these videos that really get into the history of mouthpieces/horns. My trumpet prof will get into stuff like this occasionally but we only have so much time in our lessons. This mouthpiece definitely seems like a gimmick more than anything else… I have a $20 Kelly screamer I got as a joke for pep band back in high school that likely performs the exact same way.
Thanks for another good video. I was quite surprised to hear that you liked the Rudy Muck mouthpieces. Back in the 60s most players that I associated with considered the cushion rim mouthpieces to be a gimmick that no serious player would be bothered with so it was quite surprising to see some of the excellent players who were on the advertising brochures you showed us.
Cool seeing some of the players that used the ol' Rudy Muck's...Billy Butterfield, Bobby Hackett and Sunny Dunham...Sunny was the "high guy" on a few of the big bands and led his own band for a while, he also doubled on Trombone and lived down around Ft. Lauderdale, I think he passed away around '89/'90 and Billy Butterfield lived near me in the '80's in North Palm Beach...the 13c model was best known b/c Maynard played that model, though his was modified in Canada by a guy named Johnny DeStaldo...Dom Calicchio copied it and THAT'S the piece Roger (Ingram) had copied and sells...some of the other names like Chris Griffith, Bobby Hackett, all ended up using Jet-Tone's as Ray Amado (the original innovator of Jet-Tone was really into the double cup design b/c of his idol Harry James using the Parduba)
Super cool video, I love stuff like old ads and catalog snippets. The Coronet mouthpiece adapter was just wild, perfect for the time period of reuse everything. I would think those would sound so-so at best. Thank you again for more education into mouthpiece design, it is really helpful.
Hi Jason, I'm not saying this for brownie points, but knowing about your health issues, I was quite concerned when you were playing on the Rudy Muck MP. I could see y o u were giving it everything you had to blow those high notes. You seemed quite winded but I was also worried about that one carotid artery you have. I was concerned it would rupture. In your case, you should keep that mp where it is, on that shelf collecting dust. We want you around for a long time. And not just because of what you have give and teach us. But we want the man, you to be around for many years. As the kids say in NY, " U DA MAN "!
Dick Akright was making what looked like exact replicas of Rudy Muck mouthpieces about 20 years ago. I have an original Rudy Muck 17C and wanted to see how close Dick's was to the original. It didn't play exactly the same, and I didn't have any way to exactly measure it, so I didn't ever know how close it really was. However, Dick must have had the legal right to make them, because he made them with the exact Rudy Muck name and number on them. Love your videos, Jason. Thanks.
It's almost like you know your antiques :) Trumpet Mouthpieces... $5! I love it. Also "popularity 2 stars" interesting. Who would be like YA! That's my mouthpiece!
Thank you, Jason! You make very educational (and quite unique) videos, this one too - I've learnt a lot from it. Do you know anything about William Frank mouthpieces? I recently switched to one from Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz. Couldn't find anything useful online. The mouthpiece has no size indication, just "Wm. Frank Co. Chicago ILL.". It has much more flat rim than Bobby Shew or Bach 3B that I used before, but somewhat similar diameter and cup depth. I'm not an expert, so sorry if I'm wrong. It just feels and sounds more right to me.
Hi Jason, loving the videos, i did have a quick weird question, is there any reasonable way that you could make a Bb trumpet that has a trigger making it into a piccolo trumpet. Like make a piccolo trumpet inside a Bb but they share some of the same tubing?
@@714jk Ya, if you could just take the same concept of the Stomvi and just somehow make it so instead of lowering a tri-tone, it bumps it up an octave.
At the end, the comparison with the Specratone really falls into alignment with my philosophy. I really don’t want an “application specific” mouthpiece, I want a well-rounded mouthpiece that I can use up and down the register with a nice open tone. It’s interesting how they developed a fix for something rather application specific even back then.
Thank you for sharing again Jason. I loved the history of Rudy Mück’s mouthpieces. Interesting to see the prices of horns of that time. Do Rudy Mück himself play cornet or trumpet? Do you have a Rudy Mück Conrad Gozzo mouthpiece or any Contad Gozzo mouthpiece? Thank you again Jason.
I don't think Goz used a Muck model...in the '40's he used a NY Bach 7c w a #29 throat...the 7c of the 1940's was NOTHING like what we now know a 7c to be like...when Goz moved to Cali he began using a Purviance model that was bigger than the NY 7 and Manny Klein was using that model as well as was Forrest Buchtel. Forrest liked some things about it and had Ren Schilke modify it which initially became the Schilke 14A4a...the original 14A4a had a flatter rim and a rim undercut...today's 14A4a's have a round rim and no undercut, no wonder nobody can play it.
I assuming all RM's has standard 27 (0.144") throats. Wonder if opening up throat would improve lower register performance? I knew a guy in 68 that had a RM 17 and drilled out the throat with good sucess.
From what I've seen, there's an O-ring on the throat for a good air seal between it and the cup. But, you have to grease/lube it once in a while so it doesn't get stuck
Deep cup mouthpieces feel easier to play higher on than shallow cup mouthpieces for me. Mouthpieces, like the one in the video, create excess tension in my throat.
That is because you do not know how to relax enough to play more efficient equipment, not because deep mouthpieces are “easier” up high. Deeper mouthpieces are absolutely not designed to be easier to play in the upper register, they are made to assist middle and low register with more lower overtones in the sound.
I LOVE these videos that really get into the history of mouthpieces/horns. My trumpet prof will get into stuff like this occasionally but we only have so much time in our lessons. This mouthpiece definitely seems like a gimmick more than anything else… I have a $20 Kelly screamer I got as a joke for pep band back in high school that likely performs the exact same way.
Thanks for another good video. I was quite surprised to hear that you liked the Rudy Muck mouthpieces. Back in the 60s most players that I associated with considered the cushion rim mouthpieces to be a gimmick that no serious player would be bothered with so it was quite surprising to see some of the excellent players who were on the advertising brochures you showed us.
Thanks Jason. Amazing analysis of RM mouthpieces.
Cool seeing some of the players that used the ol' Rudy Muck's...Billy Butterfield, Bobby Hackett and Sunny Dunham...Sunny was the "high guy" on a few of the big bands and led his own band for a while, he also doubled on Trombone and lived down around Ft. Lauderdale, I think he passed away around '89/'90 and Billy Butterfield lived near me in the '80's in North Palm Beach...the 13c model was best known b/c Maynard played that model, though his was modified in Canada by a guy named Johnny DeStaldo...Dom Calicchio copied it and THAT'S the piece Roger (Ingram) had copied and sells...some of the other names like Chris Griffith, Bobby Hackett, all ended up using Jet-Tone's as Ray Amado (the original innovator of Jet-Tone was really into the double cup design b/c of his idol Harry James using the Parduba)
There is so much history in trumpet mouthpieces. I have barely scratched the surface of the stories they hold.
Super cool video, I love stuff like old ads and catalog snippets. The Coronet mouthpiece adapter was just wild, perfect for the time period of reuse everything. I would think those would sound so-so at best. Thank you again for more education into mouthpiece design, it is really helpful.
Hi Jason,
I'm not saying this for brownie points, but knowing about your health issues, I was quite concerned when you were playing on the Rudy Muck MP. I could see y o u were giving it everything you had to blow those high notes. You seemed quite winded but I was also worried about that one carotid artery you have. I was concerned it would rupture. In your case, you should keep that mp where it is, on that shelf collecting dust. We want you around for a long time. And not just because of what you have give and teach us. But we want the man, you to be around for many years. As the kids say in NY, " U DA MAN "!
Really enjoyed this video! Cannot wait for tomorrow's livestream!
Cool history lesson, very informative. thanks for the vid Jason!
Dick Akright was making what looked like exact replicas of Rudy Muck mouthpieces about 20 years ago. I have an original Rudy Muck 17C and wanted to see how close Dick's was to the original. It didn't play exactly the same, and I didn't have any way to exactly measure it, so I didn't ever know how close it really was. However, Dick must have had the legal right to make them, because he made them with the exact Rudy Muck name and number on them. Love your videos, Jason. Thanks.
Great stuff.
Sometimes it's fun to look at something that's a little sketchy.
LOVE the lead in with "Over The Rainbow," from "The Wizard of Oz"... one of the top films from 1939!!!
George Hosfeld played in Jan Savitt's band. He isn't very well known, but there are Jan Savitt recordings on RUclips.
Very informative, thank you!!
It's almost like you know your antiques :) Trumpet Mouthpieces... $5! I love it. Also "popularity 2 stars" interesting. Who would be like YA! That's my mouthpiece!
great video. I love old mouthpieces.
Great history lesson, great video
Thank you, Jason! You make very educational (and quite unique) videos, this one too - I've learnt a lot from it. Do you know anything about William Frank mouthpieces? I recently switched to one from Yamaha Bobby Shew Jazz. Couldn't find anything useful online. The mouthpiece has no size indication, just "Wm. Frank Co. Chicago ILL.". It has much more flat rim than Bobby Shew or Bach 3B that I used before, but somewhat similar diameter and cup depth. I'm not an expert, so sorry if I'm wrong. It just feels and sounds more right to me.
Hi Jason, loving the videos, i did have a quick weird question, is there any reasonable way that you could make a Bb trumpet that has a trigger making it into a piccolo trumpet. Like make a piccolo trumpet inside a Bb but they share some of the same tubing?
Like modifying a 4 valve Stomvi Bb with an echo piccolo bell?
@@714jk Ya, if you could just take the same concept of the Stomvi and just somehow make it so instead of lowering a tri-tone, it bumps it up an octave.
I have heard that Rudy Muck was operating close to Vincent Bach. What are your thoughts on the Citation compared to a similar period Bach 37?
Thanks for the video
That was a lot of money in 1939.Like the cushened rim ,In a Bach 5 size with a V cup with a larger throat than the Bach
At the end, the comparison with the Specratone really falls into alignment with my philosophy. I really don’t want an “application specific” mouthpiece, I want a well-rounded mouthpiece that I can use up and down the register with a nice open tone. It’s interesting how they developed a fix for something rather application specific even back then.
I don’t know if you have or want to do this, but I would love to watch a review on the sort of new Monette unity mouthpiece.
@3:15- Sheeeyt. $5.00 for a brand new trumpet mouthpiece? Do you see currency INFLATION at work folks? 🤔
Thank you for sharing again Jason. I loved the history of Rudy Mück’s mouthpieces. Interesting to see the prices of horns of that time. Do Rudy Mück himself play cornet or trumpet? Do you have a Rudy Mück Conrad Gozzo mouthpiece or any Contad Gozzo mouthpiece? Thank you again Jason.
I don't think Goz used a Muck model...in the '40's he used a NY Bach 7c w a #29 throat...the 7c of the 1940's was NOTHING like what we now know a 7c to be like...when Goz moved to Cali he began using a Purviance model that was bigger than the NY 7 and Manny Klein was using that model as well as was Forrest Buchtel. Forrest liked some things about it and had Ren Schilke modify it which initially became the Schilke 14A4a...the original 14A4a had a flatter rim and a rim undercut...today's 14A4a's have a round rim and no undercut, no wonder nobody can play it.
I assuming all RM's has standard 27 (0.144") throats. Wonder if opening up throat would improve lower register performance? I knew a guy in 68 that had a RM 17 and drilled out the throat with good sucess.
Thanks for what you do Jason. Does the SpectraTone use O-rings?
From what I've seen, there's an O-ring on the throat for a good air seal between it and the cup. But, you have to grease/lube it once in a while so it doesn't get stuck
interesting vid. thanks
Deep cup mouthpieces feel easier to play higher on than shallow cup mouthpieces for me. Mouthpieces, like the one in the video, create excess tension in my throat.
That is because you do not know how to relax enough to play more efficient equipment, not because deep mouthpieces are “easier” up high. Deeper mouthpieces are absolutely not designed to be easier to play in the upper register, they are made to assist middle and low register with more lower overtones in the sound.
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