Hebel is all well and good BUT i had it on my townhouse and the main issue i had was screwing anything in to it. I had to install roller shutters to shield from heat and noise, and the shutters fell off in a heavy wind. They said they used 'longer screws' but i doubt any of them even made it to the frame to hold all the weight.
they probably didn't most of the time you would need a screw around 120mm to get to the frame and bite in as behind the hebel is a steel baton to even out the frame and add screw points
I question the cost benefit of cladding as well-it can actually cost more than brick to use James Hardie cladding options-battens, flashings, painters, carpenters. Not to mention time, as all of these trades need to be co-ordinated versus the brickie who starts and finishes the lot.
I install hebel and it is a great product - it’s insulation properties don’t matter in Australia because we don’t thermally seal our houses properly like they do in colder countries, so the heat finds other ways out through doors and windows mostly, also the panels need a 10mm movement joint in places where the heat can escape passed a thin polyurethane bead - so yeah, pointless Number 1 problem is cracking from cowboy installers Number 2 problem is you cannot fix to it. CSR supply plugs, I’ve never used them, don’t know how effective they are - the best solution I know of, is an owner asked me how he could hang a clothes line from it, I told him I would place some extra battens and he would have to fix to them - he was good enough to supply structural ply, I placed large sections of ply behind the panels, and fixed them to the back of the panels by screwing through the face and into the ply. Either way, get used to hebel because there’s no bricklayers coming through, it’s a dying trade
Hebel now costs MORE than bricks to install and finish, around $200 per meter, versus around $180 per meter for bricks in Australia. Also depending on the installer, it can take LONGER to install Hebel Acoustically Hebel is far worse.
Hebel was never meant to be used in today's intricate house designs, It's very hard to flash properly and water always finds a way in not to mention natural building movement so you will be sealing cracks and painting forever.
I’ll save you the time. Brick is best. Always has been, always will be. There are brick buildings still standing around which were build many, many hundreds of years ago. Try finding a clad building over 50 years old.
@@nikfish1 because it's soft like polystyrene. You can't screw or nail to it. It breaks easy so never hit it with anything. And, it's not much cheaper than cladding or bricks.
100% if you can wait and got the money bricks if you need it asap and no money cladding and hope for the best same with the roof no money and no time go with tin(colourbond) if you got money and time get tiles 1 you dont go deaf when it rains and 2 its cooler and warmer and 100 times easier to fix 1 tile thats leaking then a tin sheet that has 30 to 50 screws in it and penetrations from 3 different trades
Thanks for this video, keen to see more like this!
Hebel is all well and good BUT i had it on my townhouse and the main issue i had was screwing anything in to it. I had to install roller shutters to shield from heat and noise, and the shutters fell off in a heavy wind. They said they used 'longer screws' but i doubt any of them even made it to the frame to hold all the weight.
they probably didn't most of the time you would need a screw around 120mm to get to the frame and bite in as behind the hebel is a steel baton to even out the frame and add screw points
I question the cost benefit of cladding as well-it can actually cost more than brick to use James Hardie cladding options-battens, flashings, painters, carpenters. Not to mention time, as all of these trades need to be co-ordinated versus the brickie who starts and finishes the lot.
great video mate, thank you.
These are great short videos. Can you do one on metal sheet roof Vs tiles and the sarking/ insulation recommendations for each
Hi Matt, Thank you for the reccomendation, we have something in the works with roofing option keep an eye out for it.
I install hebel and it is a great product - it’s insulation properties don’t matter in Australia because we don’t thermally seal our houses properly like they do in colder countries, so the heat finds other ways out through doors and windows mostly, also the panels need a 10mm movement joint in places where the heat can escape passed a thin polyurethane bead - so yeah, pointless
Number 1 problem is cracking from cowboy installers
Number 2 problem is you cannot fix to it. CSR supply plugs, I’ve never used them, don’t know how effective they are - the best solution I know of, is an owner asked me how he could hang a clothes line from it, I told him I would place some extra battens and he would have to fix to them - he was good enough to supply structural ply, I placed large sections of ply behind the panels, and fixed them to the back of the panels by screwing through the face and into the ply.
Either way, get used to hebel because there’s no bricklayers coming through, it’s a dying trade
Hebel now costs MORE than bricks to install and finish, around $200 per meter, versus around $180 per meter for bricks in Australia. Also depending on the installer, it can take LONGER to install Hebel Acoustically Hebel is far worse.
Hebel was never meant to be used in today's intricate house designs, It's very hard to flash properly and water always finds a way in not to mention natural building movement so you will be sealing cracks and painting forever.
I’ll save you the time. Brick is best. Always has been, always will be. There are brick buildings still standing around which were build many, many hundreds of years ago. Try finding a clad building over 50 years old.
Seems like prepping a hebel panel for painting might be difficult, they will probably just get replaced
You might be right, we will see over the coming years how they hold up.
Interesting
Ah yes, the good old Hebrew cladding.
I noticed you didn't mention Foam. It looks cheap and nasty. And I heard birds like pecking at it to
no, hebel is the best
Anything is better than Hebel. Might as well make your home out of polystyrene if you're going to use Hebel.
Why?
@@nikfish1 because it's soft like polystyrene. You can't screw or nail to it. It breaks easy so never hit it with anything.
And, it's not much cheaper than cladding or bricks.
@@nikfish1 you can literally push a nail through it with your hand.
I’m a builder simple if you have lots of money 💰 bricks 🧱 if not cladding this is a comment for the average person NEXT 😮🤔👍👍😃😃😉😉😉
100% if you can wait and got the money bricks if you need it asap and no money cladding and hope for the best same with the roof no money and no time go with tin(colourbond) if you got money and time get tiles 1 you dont go deaf when it rains and 2 its cooler and warmer and 100 times easier to fix 1 tile thats leaking then a tin sheet that has 30 to 50 screws in it and penetrations from 3 different trades
@@andreweastaughffe1070uneducated comment