Has Transport for Wales actually started operating the Class 230 on the Borderlands Line between Bidston and Wrexham Central. And possibly on other routes used by TfW.
Yeah, I really hope these are successful now. Did you hear the tone? Sounds like a nice horn in my opinion even though it was only a short tone. Thanks for watching. :)
@@Meengineer100 i uploaded but i went to my station just to see 1 train which was 158828 but they swapped in swansea i was gutted but i had a 2 tone haha
@@Meengineer100 The tree huggers have nobbled Network Rail and they now have to employ expensive people to monitor what they chop down. Amazing since all the trees have grown since the railways was built on private land.
Nice implementation! This unit should be a dual mode OHE + Battery not a diesel hybrid. We have implemented a broad gauge dual mode shunting locomotive in Indian Railways based on Indian locomotive class WAM-4 with a battery only range of 10 km and maximum speed of 100 kmph (probably in OHE mode). It belongs to the new WCAS class, C has been repurposed to stand for battery mode instead of DC OHE mode, A for OHE mode, S for shunting. The power output of this class is 1200 HP since it is a shunting locomotive.
Thanks. The trouble in the UK is that not enough lines are electrified, and electrification is very slow and keeps getting cancelled (the government don't take it seriously enough). Interesting info on the shunting loco, we have a British company called Clayton who build similar ones for industrial use. :)
@@Meengineer100 that heated environment is harsh for any type of rechargeable battery I know! What battery type have they put in their industrial shunting locomotives? And I really wish to understand why electrification of the British Railways routes is being delayed while Government of India is interested in 100% electrification of our massive railway network! We surely need some more battery powered trains as an alternative to diesel powered ones. Mostly they can operate on suburban routes that are either unelectrified or partly electrified.
@@AnubhabKundu I'm not sure what batteries are used in the Clayton locomotives. As for electrification, there isn't a great deal of experience in the UK with electrifying lines and the government keeps using British contractors to do the jobs which makes it much more expensive and slow. Unfortunately there is no programme for electrification in the UK, other countries set targets each year of how many miles to electrify. I admire China and India's determination to electrify lines and build new high speed lines, it's great when people see the potential in rail transport and see rail as the way forward (sadly the UK and US governments don't and it let's them down). In the UK, people are looking at battery and hydrogen power as an alternative to electrification, I view it more like a temporary solution with battery power being used over short distances or on the top scenic rural lines which are too beautiful to upgrade in such a way (only a minority like the Settle & Carlisle, and the West Highland and far North Line in Scotland). It's certainly an interesting case.
I instantly thought that when I first saw the logo when Transport for Wales was announced a few years ago. I wonder if it had anything to do with Keolis who are involved with MBTA and TfW.
No, they will run on the Borderlands Line between Wrexham Central and Bidston. I believe the units will be stabled at Birkenhead when they're not in use.
Huge shame that they not able to run into Liverpool (I am in Heswall) . Expect that would mean electrifying . As it is the Bidston Wrexham line is extremely little used.
There'll be some time yet until they enter service, if that happens. TfW are yet to accept the units and they will also have to do crew training which will take a few months. Hopefully they'll be in service next spring. :)
@@elmanmammadov3189 Oh yes. I wonder if the museum will try and get one of these IoW units as well. I heard they are possibly going to have to move out of one of their sites, I think the Acton depot. I suppose they're limited with what excursions they can do now with changes in signalling systems on some lines.
Did 2 days of gauging trials. Will then do 1000 fault free miles to ensure the train works! Then TFW will begin training drivers on it. They’ll be busy!
@Smokeango i believe it to be because NR dont want them up the north wales coast at any point, plus the cos to gauge them on a line thats only operational 2 months in every 16 is a bit stupid! the single bore tunnel issue isn't really an issue as the middle of the tunnel is in a peak, therefore it can roll out if need be, it has a nice yellow foot peddle to over ride any brake interventions, i would however, like to know where the DRA is as ive not been able to see it looking though a window.
As someone from Fulham can I just say there's something eerily familiar about these new trains?
They still look vaguely like the D stock they were built from!
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Thank you for shooting this. I have shared it with a forum on 230's. It great to see them arrive.
Thanks. Glad one has finally arrived in Wales.
It reminds me of being in Barking when Silverlink operated the 150s on the GOBLIN.
Interesting. Is that because the ex LU stock alongside a 150?
Has Transport for Wales actually started operating the Class 230 on the Borderlands Line between Bidston and Wrexham Central. And possibly on other routes used by TfW.
Only training runs so far. I don't think they will enter service until at least May. They are to be used exclusively on the Borderlands Line.
@@Meengineer100 Ah right gotcha. 👍☺️
It looks quite nice and different i like it that the 230 parked next to 150253 old vs the new
Yeah, I really hope these are successful now. Did you hear the tone? Sounds like a nice horn in my opinion even though it was only a short tone. Thanks for watching. :)
@@Meengineer100 i hope there good too and yeah it was a nice little tone
@@Meengineer100 i uploaded but i went to my station just to see 1 train which was 158828 but they swapped in swansea i was gutted but i had a 2 tone haha
Nice bit of recycling, it must be said.
Yes, I think these trains are a very good idea, hopefully these units will improve services on the Borderlands Line.
Stunning machine.
What is puzzling is why a battery train has an exhaust?
Battery and diesel.
@@Meengineer100 I was under the impression of Via Rail that these were purely battery trains.
Hey @Yawwie, check this out! New TfW 230 stock D Train arrived. How cool and sounds is that!😊🚂
Who is yawwie?
why are the trees not cut back .already scratched up and not even in service
It's silly isn't it? It's like that all over Wales! I just don't understand why the railway companies think this is acceptable.
When you fall asleep on the District Line....
Bit of a vegetation issue @ 02:37
It's an issue across almost the entire network.
@@Meengineer100 The tree huggers have nobbled Network Rail and they now have to employ expensive people to monitor what they chop down. Amazing since all the trees have grown since the railways was built on private land.
Nice implementation! This unit should be a dual mode OHE + Battery not a diesel hybrid. We have implemented a broad gauge dual mode shunting locomotive in Indian Railways based on Indian locomotive class WAM-4 with a battery only range of 10 km and maximum speed of 100 kmph (probably in OHE mode). It belongs to the new WCAS class, C has been repurposed to stand for battery mode instead of DC OHE mode, A for OHE mode, S for shunting. The power output of this class is 1200 HP since it is a shunting locomotive.
Thanks. The trouble in the UK is that not enough lines are electrified, and electrification is very slow and keeps getting cancelled (the government don't take it seriously enough). Interesting info on the shunting loco, we have a British company called Clayton who build similar ones for industrial use. :)
@@Meengineer100 that heated environment is harsh for any type of rechargeable battery I know! What battery type have they put in their industrial shunting locomotives? And I really wish to understand why electrification of the British Railways routes is being delayed while Government of India is interested in 100% electrification of our massive railway network! We surely need some more battery powered trains as an alternative to diesel powered ones. Mostly they can operate on suburban routes that are either unelectrified or partly electrified.
@@AnubhabKundu I'm not sure what batteries are used in the Clayton locomotives. As for electrification, there isn't a great deal of experience in the UK with electrifying lines and the government keeps using British contractors to do the jobs which makes it much more expensive and slow. Unfortunately there is no programme for electrification in the UK, other countries set targets each year of how many miles to electrify. I admire China and India's determination to electrify lines and build new high speed lines, it's great when people see the potential in rail transport and see rail as the way forward (sadly the UK and US governments don't and it let's them down). In the UK, people are looking at battery and hydrogen power as an alternative to electrification, I view it more like a temporary solution with battery power being used over short distances or on the top scenic rural lines which are too beautiful to upgrade in such a way (only a minority like the Settle & Carlisle, and the West Highland and far North Line in Scotland). It's certainly an interesting case.
Why does it have that t logo on the front it's the same as the MBTA logo
I instantly thought that when I first saw the logo when Transport for Wales was announced a few years ago. I wonder if it had anything to do with Keolis who are involved with MBTA and TfW.
Great video. ☺️ I just subscribed to your RUclips channel. ☺️
Thank you! :)
Are these trains going to run in Liverpool underground via Bidston?
No, they will run on the Borderlands Line between Wrexham Central and Bidston. I believe the units will be stabled at Birkenhead when they're not in use.
@@Meengineer100 I thought there was a long term plan for them to run into Liverpool as part of Merseyrail
@@TommyBahama84 These are part of the Wales and Borders franchise. Mersey Rail are receiving new trains as we speak, a few have arrived already.
I that’s the new Class 777 for Merseyrail you mean.
Huge shame that they not able to run into Liverpool (I am in Heswall) . Expect that would mean electrifying . As it is the Bidston Wrexham line is extremely little used.
Nice job!
Thanks.
Looks okay, but hopefully won’t be long before MerseyRail take over the Borderlands line!
Hopefully Merseyrail will only take over and upgrade the part of the Borderlands line that is in Merseyside only.
I wonder what the life expectancy of these things are. Can’t imagine they’re gonna be around for too long.
They'll last long after you've shuffled off this mortal coil, troll.
Are they in service now?
There'll be some time yet until they enter service, if that happens. TfW are yet to accept the units and they will also have to do crew training which will take a few months. Hopefully they'll be in service next spring. :)
Nice can you film the inside next time please
Will do next time I get a chance, I tried getting some shots through the window but they didn't turn out so good. Thanks for watching.
That wasn't in service so it won't be clear for the interior..
Out for testing
Yes, I believe there are a pair now stabled at Birkenhead.
As on the Isle of Wight, old tube trains don't die, they just become 'new' stock on the most backwater and underfunded BR routes.
The 38 stock on the IoW is great for the enthusiasts, but I guess the new 484s will be an improvement to those living on the Island.
@@Meengineer100 At least the spotters have the heritage unit
@@elmanmammadov3189 So they're keeping one on the Island Line? Great news if so! :)
@@Meengineer100 I mean the LTM unit
@@elmanmammadov3189 Oh yes. I wonder if the museum will try and get one of these IoW units as well. I heard they are possibly going to have to move out of one of their sites, I think the Acton depot. I suppose they're limited with what excursions they can do now with changes in signalling systems on some lines.
Is this on a test run
Yes, Vivarail were doing the test run. Not sure what the unit will do next now.
Did 2 days of gauging trials. Will then do 1000 fault free miles to ensure the train works! Then TFW will begin training drivers on it. They’ll be busy!
According to the press, They've been dropped from the Blaenau - Llandudno line. Disappointing if so.
Yes that is true. If these units are accepted they will only run on the Borderlands Line.
@@Meengineer100 I believe its to do with the single bore tunnel and the units not having an end door.
@@Broadercasting I believe that is correct.
@Smokeango i believe it to be because NR dont want them up the north wales coast at any point, plus the cos to gauge them on a line thats only operational 2 months in every 16 is a bit stupid! the single bore tunnel issue isn't really an issue as the middle of the tunnel is in a peak, therefore it can roll out if need be, it has a nice yellow foot peddle to over ride any brake interventions, i would however, like to know where the DRA is as ive not been able to see it looking though a window.
@@sw01ller I hadn't thought about that. It appears there are a few reasons why the 230s won't operate Conwy Valley Line services.
Them trees needs cutting down
It's the same across the majority of the network unfortunately.
"New"
They are: the bodyshell maybe the same, but everything else is brand new. Stop trolling.