I have been enjoying Palworld although I fully acknowledge it's an inherently flawed game. It will be interesting to see the staying power it actually has given it relies so heavily on the shock factor of "Pokemon with guns" Also on the point of having default Unreal Engine assets in game, please don't make that out as a bad thing 😅 Premade assets are there to make devs lifes easier; sure your entire game shouldn't only be premade assets, but does it really affect the final game to have a couple of rocks/boulders be made by hand vs dropped in from an asset pack?
that’s fair, from my perspective it was driving home that the game felt like a quick cash grab. i don’t have any issue with your example of pre-made asset use
@@HoodlumCallum You should actually read the dev letter/interview that they did and learn about the whole development process for this game. There was so much passion and leaps of faith that your extremely negative take solely based on similar designs is disgustingly ill informed.
I honestly don't think it's stealing. It's clear satire. Game mechanics aren't even close to a pokemon game. Mine job comparing pokemons borrowing, you forgot to mention the first monster catching game that pokemon borrowed from. I genuinely don't care. The only thing that matters is 1) is it legal and 2) is it fun
Shock factor? Even if the game didn't have guns it would still be fun. For me the shock factor is more because we get realtime pokemon battles. Something i've been wanting for a long time!
Have to agree with that ending quote. It's really strange how people almost politicize video games and turn it into a sides thing. It feels like most people have never even heard of the concept of nuance
I just find it hard to care about a small indie dev's "laziness" considering the piles of garbage we've been fed by a billion dollar franchise lol Pokemon doesn't even care about Pokemon. They gave us a game that barely ran at 30 fps, promised to fix the performance issues, and then never did.
@@vz4900 you're gonna have to give me a source for them saying they'll fix specifically performance issues, because the best I remember is them just generally acknowledging issues and saying they'll fix them, but nothing about performance. -Also, as someone who has dabbled in programming, if the programmers were "lazy", the game would probably run better than it currently does, the best programmers are lazy, the reason it runs like this is pretty clearly the result of them trying to do too much but with no time to actually iron out any issues, nor the skill to do all of that efficiently-
@@Justic_"We are aware that players may encounter issues that affect the games' performance. Our goal is always to give players a positive experience with our games, and we apologize for the inconvenience," the statement reads. "We take the feedback from players seriously and are working on improvements to the games." Gamespot: Nintendo Promises To "Seriously" Address Pokemon Scarlet And Violet's Performance Issues And to respond to the other part of your comment. A company selling a blatantly unfinished product is lazy and means they do not care. Why should I care about this game being ripped off? The company itself doesn't even care about the game, only about the profit they'll make. They knew about the performance issues before it released.
Totally agree, and that ending quote should be in some people heads. I talked with some heavy Pokemon critics recently and they were all like "Pal design is so much better and more creative than Pokemon", and then when I saw the Pals I was shocked because they didn't even try to be a bit unique with a lot of them. It upsets me because some people are soo thirsty to say 'much better than Pokemon', that they ignore the fact that they're literally just Pokefusions (that Reshiram + Zoroark still shocks me) or even less than that. I'm not a bit Temtem fan, but I think they did a great job creating their own creatures, it feels in that universe, same goes for Digimon, the creatures feel unique for there. But people are so blind to say GAMEFREAK LAZY (what is fine to say), that they pretend to ignore how much of these designs are absurdly lazy.
It’s fine to criticize the game, but I will never call game devs lazy, that’s just a terrible assumption, but besides that everything you said was on the mark
@@ragnaricstudios5888 why not? are game devs somehow immune to it? Palwords devs are lazy. they skipped over almost everything that game dev is about. have you ever used Unreal Engine? do you realize how easy it is to do what palword does? every aspect of the game is straight up 1:1 copied from various other games. it makes for a fun game, but that doesnt change the fact about its creation and its creators. it would have been an even better game if they actually did some work themselves and designed their own monsters, system etc. the only work they actually did is to setup the game in UE5. whihc is super easy to do nowadays. the hard thing about making a game in UE is the creative side. the ideas, the systems, the concepts, the art etc. all that has been skipped almost entirely with Palworld.
To me the craziest thing is that there’s palworld fans who will actively deny that creature designs are blatant copies. I personally really like some of the copied designs, while acknowledging they’re blatant copies, while also wishing they’d be more original. Those things can all coexist. To say there’s no copying is literally just being willfully ignorant about the situation
I can't agree with the wolf one because the only similar thing is the body and feral style but Pokémon doesn't own the general concept of that. I've also seen people argue that just having a bow and a pink creature is a rip off of silveon which is silly. Also yes some are similar and can co exist sometimes but then why are you saying they should look different then?
@@SpaceOmega-zz6vs because there’s a difference between similar things coexisting, like Cal said with Frosslass and the cassette beasts monster, and being a blatant ripoff. You literally can’t look at the Luxray one and think ‘that’s not Luxray’. They can keep those designs, but then people shouldn’t get mad when others call it a blatant Pokémon copy
@@sadraccoonboy My main point is that even if something is very similar for certain stuff, that doesn't mean it has to be a bad thing. The eevee one for example is similar, and I won't ignore that, but does that mean it NEEDS to change just because it is? What about many artist who wants to make an eevee like species species? Also the term blantent copy isn't really accurate because that's like saying making an innocent anime character is a blantent copy of another specific anime character. Human trait, anime eye, and much more. The eevee one is very referenced but it's not exactly a carbon copy.
@@SpaceOmega-zz6vs some are pretty blatant. Blatant just means obvious and unashamedly, not exact. And of course this doesn’t apply to all of them. Like the people saying that manta ray one is a copy of Mantine I find kinda ridiculous tbh, they look nothing alike besides ‘manta ray’. For the artist wanting to make a species like that part, the difference is they’re not usually doing it to gain popularity and money. Of course some are, but most aren’t. That’s a HUGE difference imo. Also from what I’ve seen, most artists actually give credit when they use a source as inspiration. And it doesn’t need to change, again, I think some of the designs are genuinely sick even if they are pretty obvious ripoffs. I LOVE that jet mech salamence. But I also think it would benefit them to make their own designs, because then people would see it as its own thing and not a game shamelessly taking from the popularity of Pokemon. I haven’t played it, I don’t want to play it, but I know a ton of people find it super fun and I don’t think it needs to copy designs to accomplish that.
Some Pals literally have the same faces as existing Pokémon. Many have other pokemon bodyparts put onto random pal designs. It's really weird. Like the person modelling them had no creativity and was just tracing the 3DS models to make his own to copy the pokemon style.
It seems the thin line between "rip-off" and "inspiration" is purely determined by how fun the product is, generally speaking. Thank you for being honest where many doggedly cling to a side.
With people getting their panties in a bunch about RUclips plagiarism, I am honestly surprised how many will go to defend Palworld's obvious attempt to take not only some model but Meshing and Rigging and call it fine. It's not just SIMILARITIES. It is WHOLE MODELS (Meshing AND Rigging) that are being ripped off. Colors are often changed and multiple Pokemon are used to create one (Dinossom (Goodra/Liligant/Meganium) is the one that made the flags turn red). Apparently, Pal is a brazillian slang for male genitalia, also. That has nothing to do with anything, it made me laugh very hard. The brazillian players are getting their maturity tested, lmao!
Yet there are people defending the Pal designs, saying they only look the same because they're based on the same animals. If they're base on the same creatures, then why do they need to have the same color schemes? Every time I see people defending Palworld by claiming it copied nothing from Pokemon, I feel smarter and more reassuring that I have good IQ.
I appreciate that the music of Thunderwave Cave from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red/Blue Rescue Team played throughout this video. 1:00 Trick House music from Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire.
my problem is that theyve done this before with their previous game which was basically breath of the wild, down to the jingle when you leave the cave. I think this will end up as a cash grab and the only thing keeping the game alive would be the modding community.
After looking over the Pal World news and reviews on the internet all day and seeing the wretched sides taken purely out of spite with no middle ground, this video is honestly a refreshing critique on the whole matter while taking into account what Pokémon and Pal World both need to become better games. 👌
My problem has only ever been the fact they stole designs from Pokémon and some fan made ones, I think the game looks amazing, but I just can't support the art theft while they make millions off of it, if it was free, I would have 0 issues, but they stole assets and then are making bank off of it, that's my issue
I feel a lot of people only care about how fun the game is, and while I haven't played the game myself (go ahead and throw this opinion in the trash if you want) everyone I've talked to thinks the game is really fun.
Design is one thing, when they basically 1:1 the design where at a glance it looks like the same polygons...they probably used nintendo models as a base sometimes.
Finally someone who said it, some people released debunking videos showing how the assets are not the same, but they shoot themselves in the foot IMHO cuz you can clearly see its almost the same. A lot of these are basically mods.
I haven't liked the devs since playing craftopia (for about 20 mins before I deleted it), they seem like they can make this into a good game but they need some work in the creativity department and the common sense department considering they should be well aware of Nintendo and Pokemon's tendencies to go after small developers.
Remixing and combining existing designs falls into the area of inspiration rather than plagiarism tbh. This specific pal is a perfectly fine design imo
While I can get the sentiment behind the posts of “Pokemon copied x monster designs” I do feel they’re missing the point. While I feel some of the Palworld comparison are a bit of a stretch it’s pretty clear it’s not a case of them using the same source/creature as inspiration but that they’re using the Pokemon itself as inspiration. Kinda surprising to see people still adamantly sticking to the same post/argument though. I know from personal experience I’ve had to deal with the double standards of some Pokemon fans (mostly in the past not so much now-a-days but then again I don’t go seeking such interactions out), where they’ll accuse a design of being a shameless rip off but the moment you point out the respective Pokemon came out 2-10 years after then suddenly it’s a coincidence and they’re not that similar. So I’m almost wondering if some of the backlash is people misconstrued the design criticism as that type of case or if they’re just really desperate to justify their love for Palworld/hate for Pokemon.
On the other hand, good way to introduce survial games to a pokemon fan XD I hadn't really played survival games till this aside from Let's Starve Together. But now I could probably branch out. But I've been having a lot of fun with Palworld. All I hope is for them to more differentiate their creatures from pokemon like you said.
Honestly there's this website I usually visit for memes and stuff and it's a little surprising how many times I see a post about palworld and the comments are full of people hating gamefreak and insulting them as well as people who still enjoy pokemon while also praising this game for actually being fun despite the developers basically tiptoing on the copyright line for years
And I did saw the opposite as well: people hating Palworld and accusing use of Ai and stuff without any proofs just to make the game look bad. It truly is a polarized topic
1:06 Equate Galarian Purrugly with Delcatty coloring is giving me the weirdest jamais vu. My current fever is not helping. The Lycanroc daylight savings time? Meowstic with thigh gap?
I'm getting sick of the lucario comparison, that's the design of Anubis, an egyptian god. I get the other but complaining about that one specifically doesn't make sense to me.
So what? Take a look at Anubis from actual egyptian art and you’ll see that Lucario looks a lot more distinct than that. Just because it is from a mythology doesen’t mean that basing it off from it can’t have a unique take on it.
I thought this was in Beta, not Alpha. That completely changes how the game is perceived. Its extremely likely that they're using familiar placeholders so people grasp the mechanics easier, rather than throwing a very fancy and different graphic at them that would be quite possibly unfinished. I doubt something this big would just pull the rug from under its community and stop working on the game. Its nice that it has that familiarity, makes it easier to digest the new world we were given. In time I believe most the game will visually change, giving us a fresh new look at something that was never meant to be a lazy copycat of Pokemon and Ark.
lol when the "copy cat" of ark smashes both versions put together on their releases and then some. also I think people love it because it is what Pokemon Arceus was thought up in peoples heads, or just pining to be brought something new and fresh instead of the same hashed out but with slightly different monsters for the 20th times. but I think they have the base gameplay and rough schematics to work with, I hope its just QOL changes like Pal AI movement and extra features that bring them to life even more. as well as extra content and expand upon the damm amazing start they have.
Admittedly, I've teased the designs a bit on a different video about the game, although I haven't joined either extreme on this subject. I do agree with the last tweet. It's too bad a lot people have a 'with us or against us' mentality.
It's not even the same game honestly lol. Pokemon is a turn base RPG. Palworld is a open world survival/like what Ark is. Palworld is a very fun and good game don't get me wrong, but those who are expecting this to be what Pokemon should be, are coping real hard, since both games are different in genres. Sure, Pokemon needs to improve in other key areas, like performance, animation, look. But no way, should it become what Palworld is gameplay wise.
I'd have to disagree with you. Pokemon fans have been begging for a high quality open world style game for years. I think that is why this game is so popular, it's what we want and Nintendo just dropped the ball playing it safe.
@@SleepyShed-zn9oq There is no chance that Pokemon is going to turn into you shooting, punching, or stabbing Pokemon though. That's my point. A big reason for me, as to why the game is fun, is because a game of it's calibur, as in one like ARK is a fun game/concept. It's why I say about them not being the same kind of game. Pokemon has been a turn based game for it's main line for YEARS. Something which I doubt will change, so there is zero chance of it matching the gameplay mechanics of Palworld. Sure, it could have it look more open, no denying that. But if one expects it to be like how it is in Palworld with you legit beating the hell out of something with a weapon, then they're gonna be disappointed. Plus they've done it too, and seems like the general sense that it didn't go down too well.
@@PhantomOverlordX2 obviously we don't want guns in a pokemon game I believe that went over your head. We want an open world game that feels like we are walking through the anime with pokemon living in the world instead of just being placed there to do nothing but walk around waiting for a trainer to catch it or defeat it. The pokemon formula is just outdated and fans shouldn't be criticized for wanting the game to finally evolve. Also pokemon isn't just a turn based rpg? They have snap that is pretty much an on rails shooter, they have a dungeon crawling game, a base management sim, a semi open world game that was okay but still not what fans wanted, a fighting game, a moba. To think that a pokemon game with real life to it is out of the question is strange
The fact that your main theme is about Scrafty, and yet you have Leezpunk only being compared to Toxtricity is such a missed opportunity, how did you miss that?
I don't see plagiarism with designs. Yes the art style is similar but the pals you mentioned are transformative enough for it to be its own creation Red Tool(DC) vs Deadpool(Marvel). Besides theres nothing legally wrong with copying styles. Art styles aren't protected.
Ngl i feel like most the pals are completely fair game. Stuff like the lilligant comparison feels like it only compares the concept alone and not design( aka pokemon doesn't own the idea of a plant lady). Of course im not ignoring stuff like the luxray comparison but i can't help feel people are overly reactionary. Critique is good but know when its the right time to use the critical shotgun.
So I just want to say a few things about the similar designs . I just want to say Pokémon is one of my most played games, and I have limited exposure to other games, movies, etc where some of the design characteristics may be common that I am aware of. I also have no interest or knowledge on Pal World outside of a few minutes I’ve seen from streams, a video a year or so back, and this video. So I may be a bit biased. - Grass Cinderace. The legs and arms are both similar but generic enough I don’t think they’d be an issue by themselves. However, the ‘shorts’, spiked fur cuff on said pants, and the ‘belt’, while not exactly 1:1, are extremely similar - moreso if you take the color away. The triangular belt pattern also looks almost identical from the image you show. The general hair and ear shape are similar, particularly in gesture, but would be different enough, and the ears generic enough to be considered different. - Luxray. I notice the fur pattern on the face, how the black runs along the top of the eye and the top of the muzzle, looks almost identical, but I also see it a lot on character designs in general. The eye is almost the same shape (the top of the Pal’s eye is a bit curved up), and the pupil and iris have the same proportions as Luxray’s. The spiked fur, particularly how it comes backwards off the neck and forehead, and again flowed backwards off the shoulder blade and upper foreleg, is extremely similar to Luxray. It also looks like from the picture that it has more fur spiking up on its butt right where Luxray does, too, though I can’t be certain. The general black pattern is very close to Luxray, leaving the lower legs and face bare in similar but not identical places. - The grass Dino looks more like Venusaur and goodra I’d say, I don’t see many similarities to Meganium. The curved horns are similar in length to goodra’s with the same backwards flowing curve shape, and the general fat Dino body with the curled tail is similar, but other than the horns is quite generic. The flower shares similar placement to venusaur’s, as well as the reddish pink petals, white spot patterns, and crown. The eyes do look, like Luxray’s, almost identical in proportion and shape to Meganium’s. - G Meowth. I’ve seen the comments about ‘it’s just a Cheshire!’ But Cheshire doesn’t have the same seven triangle teeth in the nearly exact same shaped mouth and eyes of the same proportion and positioning to the mouth in every depiction, particularly not creative ones like this. I don’t have a problem with the rest, but I’d be interested in seeing if the Cheshire eyes and mouth were copy-pasted off of Meowth. - Cobalion. It’s mostly the deer shape plus the color plus the horns that make it look similar. Nothing is exact I’d say, just a mixture of many similar enough elements. I wouldn’t say it had no inspiration from Cobalion, though. - Lycanroc. I also see all the people going on about how it’s just an edgy feral wolf. It has the same play-do spiked mane, the white socks are quite similar, as well as the tail. The spiked mane is quite distinctive to lycanroc, so I’m guessing is was taken right from there. Mist of its sins are just being an overly generic and edgy feral wolf though, I’d say. - Lilligant. Very similar pale orange flower striped white with a yellow and orange five pointed ‘crown’. Same general concept and vibe. - Sobble. The fin looks copy-pasted. Blatantly copy-pasted. That’s all. - Lucario. I think it’s just a less original Anubis/Upuat design. It’s just generic and unoriginal, if nice to look at (other than the ape hands). Little to do with Pokémon in specific. - Staraptor. A stream started auto playing on my phone (Palworld was all over my YT) and I literally thought it was a new Pokémon trailer with Staraptor. More objective: same color scheme with similar color placements. The white bib with the black zig-zag, red Mohawk, etc. Mostly the bird of prey combined with the color and pattern, though. Same vibe. Definitely ‘inspired’, though. - Mewtwo. Mostly the hands/fingers, the stylization of the hipbone and the general cat look. I probably wouldn’t notice unless it was pointed out. - Generic cute mammal. The feet and face do look a lot like eevee. The nose and mouth are very similar, but in both cases are highly stylized. - Giratina. The eye and the more segmented looking armor are very similar, the eye looks to be the same size comparatively. The triangular ‘pendant’ on the crown and the way it sweeps back like horns while staying a flat bit of metal is quite similar. - I also wanted to say I saw a Pal that made me immediately think ‘lati twins’ even when I wasn’t looking for Pokémon similarities. Most of these I think would be fine if they had one of the mentioned traits, or if it was just one Pal with this issue, I’d be happy to call it a homage and move on, ‘But Nintendo copied!’ Isn’t a good excuse when we’re assuming that this game is trying to be better. If they can make a game that people think is better than Pokémon, they can be more creative than Nintendo, in both their original ideas and folklore they are inspired by. Being a small team doesn’t excuse taking non-public domain (or whatever the term is) assets and putting them in a *paid* game. Proof-of-concept? Sure. Paid, finished or otherwise? No. Ripping off another company for money, big or small, is not great. If they’ve taken anything from a smaller company or single person, we may not know. Even if you don’t give a shit about Nintendo, I don’t see much stopping them from taking from smaller entities if they’re fine taking from a high profile company. I hope they fix things so people who have the game don’t have to worry about drastic changes due to copyright. End wall of text.
The Palworld fans have been pissing me off cause of how blind and biased against pokemon they are cause they can’t admit to these obvious similarities, they say it will light a fire in GFs ass, but this game will definitely fizzle once they realize the flaws in a game like this, how many stolen ideas is it gonna take? I don’t need anything special from pokemon, I just want good games, and besides BDSP, I’ve been getting that
having played Palworld, it's "legally distinct" pokemon with ark mechanics. Pokemon can't monopolize monster catching and Pokemon has copied it's designs from Japanese Mythology and DragonQuest soooo...Kinda grasping at straws. I enjoy both games. GameFreak can learn to stop making repeat games and actually improve Pokemon for once then maybe it won't have to worry about games like Palworld stepping above them. But they already legally trademarked the Pal stuff just as Nintendo has Pokemon. So legally, they're in the clear. Any Pals that came too close to Pokemon were already removed.
Your last sentence is my stance as well. It is very obvious to me how close they look to Pokemon. I saw one which has the exact same ring around its body like Arceus at the same place, with the same body structure. However Gamefreak needs to up their game. They lost track of their fan base. The people which got hooked in the 2000 got frustrated and I jumped off the train after gen 7.
The designs, imo, feel like Pokemon that have been Digimon-ized. They don't exactly look like anything that would appear in a Pokemon game while still borrowing bits and pieces from actual Pokemon designs.
This video sums up my thoughts perfectly. If I'm being honest, I'm not bothered by the Pokémon/Pal design similarities, it just seems like "spoof movie" situation to me. I definitely think though that to the common person who still views EVERY other monster taking game as a "Pokémon ripoff", this game doesn't help us look good. I don't think it's going to happen, but hopefully the extremely obvious examples of copied designs get changed when the game enters a full release. And as a side note, the whole "AI" thing seems like a load of garbage so far. Besides the Ai drawing party game the studio previously made, there is no evidence suggesting that Palworld has Ai generated designs. Yes Ai is bad but calling everything you dislike "Ai" with no rhyme or reason only serves to confuse people even more. Damn I hate how radicalizing twitter can be.
Oh I 100% agree on that. There is no indication of AI from what I can see. And while its obvious to me that AI would be pretty good at making videogame textures, as far as im aware there has not been any models trained specifically do to that. So unless there's actual 2D artwork it'd be a stretch to say AI played a role in generating any assets.
Ai is the new scapegoat for people to say when they don't like something. Internet never changes, it just loop to the same place with a new coat of paint
I'm happy people like Palworld but it's definitely not my cup of tea both in terms of designs or gameplay. I looked at all the palworlds design and dex descripitions and out of the hundred of designs only a handful caught my eye : I think some designs like Maraith, Tombat, Cawgnito, or Cryolinx are not just ripoffs and relatively good but they still lack details, lore, or something to make them feel more alive, for me at least. Weirdly, I feel like Hangyu is the best one out of all of them because it has a clear inspiration (it is also why it's never gonna be used by GF lmao) and through its dex entry, it shows both its "role" in the world and the cruelty of Pals that is more evident in Palworld than in Pokemon. Depresso's design is severely lacking but it has a cool concept and it even affects its behavior which is very cool imo. It reminds of Toby Allen's project "Real Monsters" with disorders shown as monsters with awesome designs and lore. Still, the game is in Alpha and could become better. With a coherent world, a better gameplay and more developed designs like Cassette Beasts or Pokemon that works in the world, I feel like I could buy it, but right now it's really not for me.
I wouldnt say soulless, but its definitely... confused, it doesnt know what it wants to be, or at least thats how i feel. (Like seriously, the creatures were so shoe-horned in for marketability it hurts.)
I feel like some of this is blown out of proportion Like the yellow round eyes isn’t exactly a pokemon thing The goodra maganium thing.. like come on its a generic dinosaur The idea of a wolf monster isn’t a pokemon thing since lycanroc is a generic monster with rock spikes Pokemon has enough monsters if you look at any number of monster tamers you can probably say that about any monster in any game But admittedly the asset thing is sus and the fact the game company has a history of scams also is worrying
I dont think the asset thing is that sus. I mean do you really expect an indie team to make all original designs for *everything?* Not only is this an alpha but they are just focusing on what is important. Would it really be worth it for them to model a generic rock? Or would it make more sense to use the asset that comes with the engine?
@@Yipper64I don't understand people complaining about that at all. Taking inspiration from another game's design isn't stealing. Using assets isn't stealing. I wish people would stop conflating "lazy/unoriginal" with "stealing"
@@Yipper64 well to be fair i wouldn’t usually but the game is 24 pounds on steam usually recently went down to 22 cause of a sale. Generally if theres money involved you wouldnt expect it to be a asset flip and considering how they had scammed people in the past i can understand people being cynical If you didn’t know palworld isnt the first game where you catch animals they made. One got funded but never released but i also think its the usual pokemon fan defensiveness that comes out every time a new mon tamer gets remotely popular My only hope is the palworld devs prove people wrong
@@Rabbinky I still feel like either way calling it an "asset flip" is a bit much just because it uses stock assets whatsoever. Like, when I think asset flip I think those five dollar games that are discounted from $800 that are pumped out cheaply just for achievement hunters and all that, barely functional as "games" that use purely stock assets and dont have much more than 2 minutes of gameplay to speak of. Like at the very least this isnt a scam or an asset flip. You can call it overhyped, you can say its literally made for virality, that's all probably true, but I just think its too far to call an asset flip.
@@Yipper64honestly i agree with this its not like assets need to be 100 percent new my only complain is the realistic background makes the monsters feel kinda alien to it. I think all games kinda strive to be viral so i honestly don’t think that means anything
I completely agree. I've been waiting for someone to say this. as a pokemon fan i agree that some of the design aspects VERY heavly lean on existing pokemon fans love, but i feel if the creators give enough love they can have a fantastic game on their hands and could become the rivals pokemon needs to get out of this odd state they've been in. Ive seen many people fighting over this game and bringing up claims that weren't brought up when palworld was first announced. Im also glad that they have an offline feature (at least for the trial on xbox) for us who dont have the funds currently to pay for online subscription.
I don’t really agree that the game is made soulless or loveless by the fact that it uses ideas from other games. Every game is influenced by its predecessors and it’s not generally frowned upon to borrow mechanics from other games when building your own. There’s only so many different ways to represent the UI, or Plus, by borrowing from games in a similar genre, you also cut down on the amount of learning players need to do to enjoy your game. There’s a reason so many games use Space for jump, and it’s not just because it’s comfortable. As a counter example, Stardew Valley’s art and gameplay is incredibly similar to Harvest Moon. I doubt anyone who has played those games would ever say that SV is soulless or a cash grab because of that. I do think that the developers try too hard to be an edgy version of their inspirations, and they certainly could have broadened their references for their Pal designs, though. I wouldn’t call the devs lazy for it, but they should have done more to give their game a unique style
@@HoodlumCallum I'd have to respectful disagree I feel if the game is fun graphic don't matter. Look at games that have bad graphics (or lack there of) that are truly good games like Pacman, world of warcraft, runscape, Starfox, and even valheim. Sure graphics are nice to look at but I'd personally rather the devs start focusing on better mechanics rather than how good the dirt looks.
@@HoodlumCallumFirst of all, having a similar design does not automatically mean it's lazy. Second, some of your accusations are a stretched such as the wolf one because the only similar thing is a public domain idea in general shape and feral style. I won't ignore that some seem more copied but the idea that it automatically means it's bad is delusional. What about vampire teeth, what about the fact that there is even a Pokémon that uses the slime smile from dq, what about the fact that certain anime characters exist?
I agree with your big point. Most of the pals that I cannot see as original I will not use in my playthroughs because every time I see them I do think of copyright. If they would just redesign those ones I'd be happy. I've also never played ARK so the UI for that being so similar is news that is unfortunate as well. The gamplay loop is great imo and I've still had fun with it.
I feel like calling it a cash grab is disingenuous. The game is very fleshed out for an early access release. Often in early access title, placeholder assets will be used until the developer finds the right balance between the gameplay and the artstyle. We will likely see overhauls of certain Pal designs, the UI, and terrain. I am sure they didn't expect the massive success they received at the start, but it will be interesting to see if they take the money and sit on it or use it to improve the game. There is so much potential for this game, and it honestly feels like an evolution on the creature catcher genre that is at least worth some merit. If you told me a game was going to have Pokemon, Guns, Factories, Base Building, Open World, Raids, and so much more, I would've been surprised to see any single thing being done well, but they managed to execute on almost every one of them successfully. There's room for improvement, but the reality is that there's more good in Palworld than anything Gamefreak has put out in a decade or more.
TLDW: a game made by a small team had some creative liberties (if gamefreak doesn’t abuse the copyright system) and some pals look similar to pokemon Same opinion the rest of the nintendomanbabies have been echochambering but he just tries to seem less bias by saying he likes the game. Yeah it’s obviously why this video has over 30k views yet under 3k likes. You got a hidden talent for content creation, just keep it hidden. 😂
Similarity=familiarity homie and this game is Poppin off. It's really fun, feels fresh(even with the game design of ark+Pokemon). They made it their own and hope to see it grow more and more. It's hard to deny that it's not a good game... Even if it is built off the backs of others... Then again, what game isn't?
I think its ok for palworld to have designs similar to Pokémon as long as they aren't exactly the same. To give an example I think the goodra meganium pal (dinossom) isn't a clone and is just familiar because of the Pokémon art style, there were creative decisions made in that design that distinguish it enough for me. But there are some like the Lucario and cinderace clones that I see as daylight robbery. At the end of the day though its all subjective, but I think calling the game creatively bankrupted is a little bit harsh. When I look at most of the pals I get the sense that they we're designed without much thought other than being conventionally appealing. but there are a few that are really t amazing that I didn't immediately associate with a Pokémon (or if I did I thought it was original enough change for it to stand on its own two feet) The pals like Jolthog, Woolipop, mudish, and that stag beetle one have some some real charm (for me at least).
Nah I think calling the game creatively bankrupt is fair. Like come on is it that hard to be more original? Cassette Beasts does it why can't Palworld?
I think this game is a good proof of concept of what a survival pokemon game could be to be honest. Legends Arcues was so close to perfect imo, but I wanted them to go further, and Scarlet and Violet was a slight mistep backwards. I hope Palworld does continue to succeed though cuz Pokemon really die need more competition to force them to improve.
Honestly i bought palworld with my boys today because we all thought it would be a fun joke, but honestly it's really fun. I never got into any of the pokemon knock offs like temtem and I put it down to the fact that the creatures didn't capture me like pokemon did, but palworld doesn't seem to have that issue and i think it could be literally because they're so close in design that they feel like pokemon.
Totally agree, I'm loving this game so I would be totally fine with them redesigning some of the monsters. So many creative people out there, so I doubt it would be that hard to improve some of the lazier designs. Definitely a good sign that this is popular, so hopefully they will put more work into it compared to their previous game. It's still in beta, so there's hope.
I really agree with the tweet you showed at the end: Pokémon has its flaws, they can do better. At the same time, Palworld is just lazy and a moneygrab. But now that I said this, I really have to point out the irony of people praising Palworld but at the same time calling Game Freak lazy... like make it make sense.
What do you mean? Palworld is a fun blend of pokemon and ark and rust. It's fun. Pokémon hasn't made a big change ever. It reuses it assets and does the bare minimum. I praise palworld bc it's a fun game. And call game freak lazy bc they absolutely are.
@@bleb87 Thanks for proving my point. I'm not sure how you can not call a game that literally plagiarises assets not lazy, but in the same breath call Game Freak lazy, despite some Pokémon having new models, animations and better textures.
@@bleb87 And what do you want? Pokémon has always been a monster collecting game with the same mechanics and some gimmicks. There have been a few main series games that didn't follow the gym formula. Anyway, those are 1000x better than a cashgrab made of stolen assets made by pro NFT devs.
When it comes to copy cat designs, the only 2 that are obvious are luxray and the cobalion one. Everything else looks inspired from certain mons sure, but not close enough. The lilligant lookalike for example just looks like a generic grass waifu type design than actual lilligant. The "meowth" one i dont see at all, it looks more like a skitty/gengar lovechild but honestly i think thats just an interesting idea. The bird being xatu is the furthest reach Ive seen like they dont look remotely similar. And lucario already looks like a pretty generic anubis dog, not saying that he isnt cool because anubis is awesome, but i cant really criticize palworld without ALSO criticizing gamefreak too (im sure it has other inspirations too... But im sorry its just blue anubis to me). Personally having pals that look similar-ish to pokemon is just smart on their part. Most creature collectors arent fun to me because the creatures arent really interesting or just feel like really stupid ideas that arent organic. This gives them a sense of recognizability and familiarity so that i can become attached to them. And ultimately, what matters in the end to most players is "is the game fun". Idc if a game is lazily made, what i care is is the end product fun. Scarlet and violet have a ton of cut corners as well, whether thats due to time constraints, laziness or both is up in the air, but the game certainly feels lazily made because it plays horrendously (story, QoL and basic gameplay are great, but that doesnt make up for the numerous problems it has for me). Pal world does have moments where you can see cut corners in the environmental design/animations (and i will agree that the ark menus are actually just 1:1), but from what I have seen those take up so little focus cause the gameplay is pretty solid and fun, and most of the bugs/glitches seem more funny than offensive. If this is a cashgrab, then its probably THE best cashgrab on the market especially at a $30 price tag. Compare that to pokemon where its $60, x2 for both versions, and a $35 dlc (x2 as well), and honestly pokemon seems significantly more offensive.
Absolutly. The other issue is, those pokemon are almost all based on something else. Gengar has a weird smile partially based on the Cheshire cat and Totoro. Most t Rex mons are based on godzilly. Lucario is based on Anubis. If anything the Pal looks way more like Anubis than he does. Heck, many pokemon look like Digimon. Blazikin and many human ish looking mons look like digimon. Pokemon doesn't own the concepts or the cartoon artstyle for creatures. So many games predate pokemon. The last issue is, pokeon are all based on mythology, items, or animals. Any ferret creature will look like Furret because it is ferret shaped. There are hundreds of mons with all different art styles, eye styles, mouth styles, bodies, etc. It is almost impossible to not make a cartoony creature have some pokemon aspect or another. Some comparisons are really silly. Game freak does not own, nor are the the first, to have a cute pink creature with a bow. Or a dear with weird colors. The list goes on, but this is silly. Most people complaining never played anything other than pokemon, because the overlap across games for creature designs is everywhere. Heck, some Yu Gi Oh monsters look like pokemon if you want to nitpick.
The biggest problem for me is the company, in the past abandoned their game Craftopia, and changed the game so much, that at the beginning it was fun with some mix of games like satisfactory, zelda and minecraft, in the end it was a totally different game and change for the worse they gone and left us with a poorly optimized game, bugged as hell, popping problems, unfinished an unplayable thing and they never came back. this game for me is a cashgrab
You should also be addressing the concerns between Palworld and Crafttopia as they made that game ages ago and it is still unfinished and with the new project they are working on it might be abandoned which might end up being the same for Palworld eventually too.
Following HoodlumCallums logic then HoodlumCallum copied Post Malone. This video is the ramblings of a nintendo fanboy not understanding what inspiration is.
The whole "the designs are copied" thing drives me insane. There ARE designs that are clearly inspired, but you're really going to call LITERALLY THE EGYPTIAN GOD ANUBIS if he was entirely a jackal instead of jackal-headed "fake Lucario"? People are taking the comparisons way too far.
The game FEELS fun, but I'm not sure how much of that is the novelty and shock value. While it would be cool if they did a bunch of redesigns, they already made trailers for a lot.of monsters. They might not think it's worth their time to do everything again even with all the success.
It has a lot of mechanics us crafting survival fans have been begging for. The way this game does automation is truly amazing and if seen in a game like Ark survival Evolved would make it a 10/10
The craziest part about many of these pals designs is that if you look at them you'll notice about 3+ different pokemons characteristics all mashed into one design
The funniest thing about pokemon is that if you really look at them, they are based on a much older game called life, they are literally cartoon animals
Many early pokemon designs were actually inspired by a game called dragon quest, but if you look at the differences between designs they tried very hard not to copy them entirely and completely redesigned them so they look totally different@@quetas83
Those designs aren't even close. They entirely redesigned them. You can see similarities if you see them together but you wouldn't realize it from looking at them individually. The pokemon ripping off dragon quest thing is such a poor argument. If pokemon copied dragon quests monsters but slightly changed their limbs or changed their poses or took faces from one monster and put them on another I'd understand, but they didn't. Some pal designs are exactly that regardless of if you deny it or not. This walks the fine line compared to pokemon/dragon quest, especially considering it's a japanese company and fair use and parody laws are nonexistent over there.@@RayOfTruth
I agree on most, but the ark parts i cant agree with: While it uses basically the same systems as ark, those are assets that ark itself bought. I dont think you can call it a copy of ark if ark already bought and used these assets many developers before used. While the designs are clearly stolen the rest is just using assets that showed to be liked in previous games that bought them and is in my opinion just mostly smart for a somewhat smaller indie game. Many people also like minecraft clones that do similar things. The only thing that makes palworld stand out besides other games that do simmilar things is the very blatant monster designs and its salesnumbers.
I wouldnt call it stolen, id call it blatantly and derivatively inspired. There's nothing totally original and clearly the developers wanted to make it VERY clear these designs are supposed to be reminiscent of pokemon, taking some design elements verbatim. But that isnt stealing, because they didnt steal the entire pokemon design. Just used the same design language and style.
@@Yipper64 i called it stolen since some designs are just one or 2 pokemon either just some aspects changed o when taking two combining both. There was near to none work done while "designing" the monsters. Othes seem to be the devs own designs and there is much between both of these statements. In Full i would call it derived, but the fact that thee are designs that ae nearly the same as some pokemon is honestly nearly the only thing i would take as bad practice in this game. So in a way i agree with your statement but think that they actually did go to far in some designs.
@@KainDing- Yeah I guess I can agree with that. Like, I think the real issue is that when you make a monster collector game, its going to be compared to the big one, pokemon. And making designs that are just that much too reminiscent of actual pokemon designs isnt helping in that respect.
... but if the Ark devs legally bought and properly credited assets they got from elsewhere per the purchase terms, then them reusing code/assets is fine as it is being done legally. If the Palword devs are reusing externally created assets without properly getting them and following the license for them, then that is a problem. It would need to be proven that this happened, though.
@@mindwarp42 I was literally saying that both are okay, as both games heavily uses bought assets. Palworld gets bad press because of the creature Designs. However because of that people are making it into an "asset-flip" Even though in regards to assets it is build like many well liked games. Ijust wanted to point out that only the creature designs are the only thing not okay with the game. The rest is very common in indie games using UE or Unity.
THIS!!! This is exactly my feelings on palworld, taking so much of the design aspects from Pokémon when the entire DRAW of a creature collector is the unique designers???
For me Legend Arceus and B&W series is the PEAK of pokemon games. Palworld whoever feels more into Ark rather than Pokemon, though I understand that many of the Pal designs are pretty much resembles that of Pokemon.
I've had a big distaste with Palworld because everyone is singing its praises in Twitter, and I KNOW part of the reason its taken off so much is in part because of the problems in main line Pokemon and a "stick it to the man" sensation. But this is blinding people to the core problems of Palworld. Valid criticisms are blatantly ignored and people are flat out gaslighting themselves into ignoring clear evidence of creative bankruptcy in the current Palworld foundation. Im not saying Palworld doesnt have interesting possibilities for the creature collector genre. Begrudgingly, I admit I might even like Palworld eventually, but ONLY if it actually makes its own identity, instead of resorting to asset-flipping and mobile game levels of ripping off. Right now, its a lazy game being propped up more than it should because people are having relationship issues with Game Freak.
It's been very fun watching Pokemon fans learn what satire and parody are. 😂😂 if this game wasn't successful ya'll wouldn't care. But Palworld makes Scarlet and Violet look like a student project and you guys can't handle it.
@@nathanielcoder3437 good for you. Then you can ignore and shouldnt attack those who spent money to buy pkm like that. You dont give them money to buy it anyway. Get good bro
what i find weird is that nobody talks about how morally questionable it is that you can catch actual people and force them to do literal slave labor like the entire thing just feels like a a generic early 2010s parody animation thats trying way too hard to be edgy
???... The whole point of the game is that you as the player have the freedom to choose what to or what not to do. The devs literally went over this on their channel. The game in its totality is a parody that if "pokemon" were to exist in the real world it wouldnt be the cutesy adventure that we think it is. This is why every f*cked up question you could have ever asked about pokemon is in pal world. Can you eat pokemon? yes, Can you force pokemon to cross breed? yea, Can you use pokemon for labor and arent they already slaves? yes, Can a pokemon f*ck a human? Loveander: yes, Can a pokeball capture a human have the same effect it does on a pokemon, YES!
@@darryljack6612 all those examples sorta prove that the game is just bland and edgy though. like the entire games identity is just "pokemon but it's dark and twisted and has guns ooooo" with no actually original concepts. sure, maybe the gameplay is fun and there's a couple cool mechanics, but it seriously feels like there is no passion. it's trying so hard to be cool but it has no unique ideas it's like if you made a shitty family guy bit into a game with no irony whatsoever
@@hazelmarill Except it's not inherently dark and twisted. It's like you replied without reading anything. It only becomes dark and twisted if the player chooses to make it so. You can play the game without killing any pals or people, without breaking any laws in the game, without using any guns. Those are all optional to the player and you can make the game as peaceful as regular pokemon.
@@darryljack6612 sure maybe the game isn't forcing you to use the guns but there's a reason why most people just call the game "pokemon with guns" because that's all that it is. whether or not you have the choice to do anything doesn't matter when those things are the only thing worth noting in the game. as you said, it's a parody, it's entirely advertised as this hardcore take on the monster catching genre except any take presented is unoriginal and it all ends up coming off as desperate
@@hazelmarill Pokemon with guns is what everyone else calls the game because it stuck prior to the any actual knowledge of how the game really is. But the devs themselves never adhered to that title. Because that is redundant to the game itself, the more accurate saying would be that it is ARK with Pokemon Also you say it's desperate and unoriginal, but it has some of the best records of sales, playtime, and players in steam history in 3 days not just for an indie game, but for a game in general. People are playing this game because they cant get what this game as anywhere else.
I want to find interest in this game because i love monster taming games, but like, why with guns? Like i have no problem with guns but i dont want to use one in a pokemon like game. I want them to battle, not shoot eachother with a gun-
I've got two points to make here. While there are some very blatant copies of pokemon in the game, a lot of the comparisons people are making are unproblematic imo and just hurting their argument. In just this video alone the staraptor "ripoff" looks nothing like it other than both just being big birds. The mewtwo "ripoff" is an extremely common humanoid monster design bodytype, and your example of giratina's head has completely different proportions. Pokemon fans are reaching way too hard with some of these comparisons and its got the reverse effect of making people dismiss those claims even with legitimate problematic designs in there. Second, even though both palworld and pokemon criticisms can coexist, I think its important to note that the poor quality of pokemon games are a major reason why people dont care about palworld's issues. The criticism of palworld being a lazy passionless cashgrab holds less water when palworld, while being in early access, has already had more development time than mainline pokemon games, while being a third the price and free on xbox game pass. Palworld genuinely feels fresh, passionate and cheap in comparison to pokemon, which makes it much easier for people to accept it. Even if both games should be criticised, for people that consider palworld the better game, pokemon's problems and criticisms seem so mucb more severe than palworld's.
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I have been enjoying Palworld although I fully acknowledge it's an inherently flawed game. It will be interesting to see the staying power it actually has given it relies so heavily on the shock factor of "Pokemon with guns"
Also on the point of having default Unreal Engine assets in game, please don't make that out as a bad thing 😅
Premade assets are there to make devs lifes easier; sure your entire game shouldn't only be premade assets, but does it really affect the final game to have a couple of rocks/boulders be made by hand vs dropped in from an asset pack?
that’s fair, from my perspective it was driving home that the game felt like a quick cash grab. i don’t have any issue with your example of pre-made asset use
@@HoodlumCallum You should actually read the dev letter/interview that they did and learn about the whole development process for this game. There was so much passion and leaps of faith that your extremely negative take solely based on similar designs is disgustingly ill informed.
@@Critical_HitZ sadly doesn't make it ok to steal designs from other franchises. this comes across as lazy and i can't be told otherwise
I honestly don't think it's stealing. It's clear satire. Game mechanics aren't even close to a pokemon game. Mine job comparing pokemons borrowing, you forgot to mention the first monster catching game that pokemon borrowed from. I genuinely don't care. The only thing that matters is 1) is it legal and 2) is it fun
Shock factor? Even if the game didn't have guns it would still be fun. For me the shock factor is more because we get realtime pokemon battles. Something i've been wanting for a long time!
I feel like someone saw a bunch of bootleg pokemon toys and thought "you know what..."
Have to agree with that ending quote. It's really strange how people almost politicize video games and turn it into a sides thing. It feels like most people have never even heard of the concept of nuance
Welcome to the Internet where nuance goes to die
I just find it hard to care about a small indie dev's "laziness" considering the piles of garbage we've been fed by a billion dollar franchise lol
Pokemon doesn't even care about Pokemon. They gave us a game that barely ran at 30 fps, promised to fix the performance issues, and then never did.
@@vz4900 you're gonna have to give me a source for them saying they'll fix specifically performance issues, because the best I remember is them just generally acknowledging issues and saying they'll fix them, but nothing about performance.
-Also, as someone who has dabbled in programming, if the programmers were "lazy", the game would probably run better than it currently does, the best programmers are lazy, the reason it runs like this is pretty clearly the result of them trying to do too much but with no time to actually iron out any issues, nor the skill to do all of that efficiently-
@@Justic_"We are aware that players may encounter issues that affect the games' performance. Our goal is always to give players a positive experience with our games, and we apologize for the inconvenience," the statement reads. "We take the feedback from players seriously and are working on improvements to the games."
Gamespot: Nintendo Promises To "Seriously" Address Pokemon Scarlet And Violet's Performance Issues
And to respond to the other part of your comment. A company selling a blatantly unfinished product is lazy and means they do not care. Why should I care about this game being ripped off? The company itself doesn't even care about the game, only about the profit they'll make. They knew about the performance issues before it released.
@@vz4900 Even with that it's still an enjoyable game but even if i said say im the one in the wrong
Totally agree, and that ending quote should be in some people heads. I talked with some heavy Pokemon critics recently and they were all like "Pal design is so much better and more creative than Pokemon", and then when I saw the Pals I was shocked because they didn't even try to be a bit unique with a lot of them. It upsets me because some people are soo thirsty to say 'much better than Pokemon', that they ignore the fact that they're literally just Pokefusions (that Reshiram + Zoroark still shocks me) or even less than that. I'm not a bit Temtem fan, but I think they did a great job creating their own creatures, it feels in that universe, same goes for Digimon, the creatures feel unique for there. But people are so blind to say GAMEFREAK LAZY (what is fine to say), that they pretend to ignore how much of these designs are absurdly lazy.
doesnt bother me
@@anaveragegamer359 Well fan fucking tastic
Im glad the world revolves around you and only you
It’s fine to criticize the game, but I will never call game devs lazy, that’s just a terrible assumption, but besides that everything you said was on the mark
@@ragnaricstudios5888 why not? are game devs somehow immune to it?
Palwords devs are lazy. they skipped over almost everything that game dev is about.
have you ever used Unreal Engine? do you realize how easy it is to do what palword does?
every aspect of the game is straight up 1:1 copied from various other games. it makes for a fun game, but that doesnt change the fact about its creation and its creators.
it would have been an even better game if they actually did some work themselves and designed their own monsters, system etc.
the only work they actually did is to setup the game in UE5. whihc is super easy to do nowadays.
the hard thing about making a game in UE is the creative side. the ideas, the systems, the concepts, the art etc. all that has been skipped almost entirely with Palworld.
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To me the craziest thing is that there’s palworld fans who will actively deny that creature designs are blatant copies. I personally really like some of the copied designs, while acknowledging they’re blatant copies, while also wishing they’d be more original. Those things can all coexist. To say there’s no copying is literally just being willfully ignorant about the situation
I can't agree with the wolf one because the only similar thing is the body and feral style but Pokémon doesn't own the general concept of that. I've also seen people argue that just having a bow and a pink creature is a rip off of silveon which is silly.
Also yes some are similar and can co exist sometimes but then why are you saying they should look different then?
@@SpaceOmega-zz6vs because there’s a difference between similar things coexisting, like Cal said with Frosslass and the cassette beasts monster, and being a blatant ripoff. You literally can’t look at the Luxray one and think ‘that’s not Luxray’. They can keep those designs, but then people shouldn’t get mad when others call it a blatant Pokémon copy
@@sadraccoonboy My main point is that even if something is very similar for certain stuff, that doesn't mean it has to be a bad thing. The eevee one for example is similar, and I won't ignore that, but does that mean it NEEDS to change just because it is? What about many artist who wants to make an eevee like species species?
Also the term blantent copy isn't really accurate because that's like saying making an innocent anime character is a blantent copy of another specific anime character. Human trait, anime eye, and much more. The eevee one is very referenced but it's not exactly a carbon copy.
@@SpaceOmega-zz6vs some are pretty blatant. Blatant just means obvious and unashamedly, not exact. And of course this doesn’t apply to all of them. Like the people saying that manta ray one is a copy of Mantine I find kinda ridiculous tbh, they look nothing alike besides ‘manta ray’.
For the artist wanting to make a species like that part, the difference is they’re not usually doing it to gain popularity and money. Of course some are, but most aren’t. That’s a HUGE difference imo. Also from what I’ve seen, most artists actually give credit when they use a source as inspiration.
And it doesn’t need to change, again, I think some of the designs are genuinely sick even if they are pretty obvious ripoffs. I LOVE that jet mech salamence. But I also think it would benefit them to make their own designs, because then people would see it as its own thing and not a game shamelessly taking from the popularity of Pokemon. I haven’t played it, I don’t want to play it, but I know a ton of people find it super fun and I don’t think it needs to copy designs to accomplish that.
As long as they’re different enough to pass the squint test, they’re fine legally
Some Pals literally have the same faces as existing Pokémon. Many have other pokemon bodyparts put onto random pal designs. It's really weird. Like the person modelling them had no creativity and was just tracing the 3DS models to make his own to copy the pokemon style.
Apparently the devs are also working on a Hollow Knight....."parody". It looks very familiar.
It seems the thin line between "rip-off" and "inspiration" is purely determined by how fun the product is, generally speaking. Thank you for being honest where many doggedly cling to a side.
1:17 are you saying normal mewtwo isnt sexy?
Calling a Pokémon sexy is just plain weird
Why else do you think he didn’t say it
@@Azio666 but he called the palworld creature sexy...
There’s a church with a statue in it that looks almost 1:1 like the ones from Elden Ring.
Elden ring invented churches 😼
yes they did@@MapleLunii
I adore this game but like. Yeah. The designs are very...Pokemon. Blatantly pokemon. I really hope they get redesigned.
With people getting their panties in a bunch about RUclips plagiarism, I am honestly surprised how many will go to defend Palworld's obvious attempt to take not only some model but Meshing and Rigging and call it fine.
It's not just SIMILARITIES.
It is WHOLE MODELS (Meshing AND Rigging) that are being ripped off. Colors are often changed and multiple Pokemon are used to create one (Dinossom (Goodra/Liligant/Meganium) is the one that made the flags turn red).
Apparently, Pal is a brazillian slang for male genitalia, also. That has nothing to do with anything, it made me laugh very hard. The brazillian players are getting their maturity tested, lmao!
Yet there are people defending the Pal designs, saying they only look the same because they're based on the same animals. If they're base on the same creatures, then why do they need to have the same color schemes? Every time I see people defending Palworld by claiming it copied nothing from Pokemon, I feel smarter and more reassuring that I have good IQ.
I appreciate that the music of Thunderwave Cave from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red/Blue Rescue Team played throughout this video.
1:00 Trick House music from Pokémon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire.
my problem is that theyve done this before with their previous game which was basically breath of the wild, down to the jingle when you leave the cave. I think this will end up as a cash grab and the only thing keeping the game alive would be the modding community.
This game is so unique in that it has so many red flags but is so so so fun
After looking over the Pal World news and reviews on the internet all day and seeing the wretched sides taken purely out of spite with no middle ground, this video is honestly a refreshing critique on the whole matter while taking into account what Pokémon and Pal World both need to become better games. 👌
My problem has only ever been the fact they stole designs from Pokémon and some fan made ones, I think the game looks amazing, but I just can't support the art theft while they make millions off of it, if it was free, I would have 0 issues, but they stole assets and then are making bank off of it, that's my issue
I feel a lot of people only care about how fun the game is, and while I haven't played the game myself (go ahead and throw this opinion in the trash if you want) everyone I've talked to thinks the game is really fun.
Exactly 💯
Then why is it bad that I only care about pokemon being fun?
Design is one thing, when they basically 1:1 the design where at a glance it looks like the same polygons...they probably used nintendo models as a base sometimes.
Finally someone who said it, some people released debunking videos showing how the assets are not the same, but they shoot themselves in the foot IMHO cuz you can clearly see its almost the same.
A lot of these are basically mods.
I haven't liked the devs since playing craftopia (for about 20 mins before I deleted it), they seem like they can make this into a good game but they need some work in the creativity department and the common sense department considering they should be well aware of Nintendo and Pokemon's tendencies to go after small developers.
OKAY! hear me out… the meganium goodra combo is cute af
Remixing and combining existing designs falls into the area of inspiration rather than plagiarism tbh. This specific pal is a perfectly fine design imo
There's no problem with Palworld since the game is gonna die and be forgotten in one month like every copy paste of Pokémon before :c
While I can get the sentiment behind the posts of “Pokemon copied x monster designs” I do feel they’re missing the point. While I feel some of the Palworld comparison are a bit of a stretch it’s pretty clear it’s not a case of them using the same source/creature as inspiration but that they’re using the Pokemon itself as inspiration. Kinda surprising to see people still adamantly sticking to the same post/argument though. I know from personal experience I’ve had to deal with the double standards of some Pokemon fans (mostly in the past not so much now-a-days but then again I don’t go seeking such interactions out), where they’ll accuse a design of being a shameless rip off but the moment you point out the respective Pokemon came out 2-10 years after then suddenly it’s a coincidence and they’re not that similar. So I’m almost wondering if some of the backlash is people misconstrued the design criticism as that type of case or if they’re just really desperate to justify their love for Palworld/hate for Pokemon.
On the other hand, good way to introduce survial games to a pokemon fan XD I hadn't really played survival games till this aside from Let's Starve Together. But now I could probably branch out.
But I've been having a lot of fun with Palworld. All I hope is for them to more differentiate their creatures from pokemon like you said.
Feels like fortnites newest lego survival gamemode without the pals
Honestly there's this website I usually visit for memes and stuff and it's a little surprising how many times I see a post about palworld and the comments are full of people hating gamefreak and insulting them as well as people who still enjoy pokemon while also praising this game for actually being fun despite the developers basically tiptoing on the copyright line for years
And I did saw the opposite as well: people hating Palworld and accusing use of Ai and stuff without any proofs just to make the game look bad. It truly is a polarized topic
@TreeckoDX64 the creators do have a history of using AI, tbf
@@GreiH I don't think AI is really a bad thing though. Especially if it's touched up by a human (which it pretty much has to be).
@@BigFry9591agreed
1:06 Equate Galarian Purrugly with Delcatty coloring is giving me the weirdest jamais vu. My current fever is not helping.
The Lycanroc daylight savings time? Meowstic with thigh gap?
Palworld will collapse so quick once people realize how shallow the end game is. It was a fun ride though.
I'm getting sick of the lucario comparison, that's the design of Anubis, an egyptian god. I get the other but complaining about that one specifically doesn't make sense to me.
So what? Take a look at Anubis from actual egyptian art and you’ll see that Lucario looks a lot more distinct than that.
Just because it is from a mythology doesen’t mean that basing it off from it can’t have a unique take on it.
I thought this was in Beta, not Alpha. That completely changes how the game is perceived. Its extremely likely that they're using familiar placeholders so people grasp the mechanics easier, rather than throwing a very fancy and different graphic at them that would be quite possibly unfinished. I doubt something this big would just pull the rug from under its community and stop working on the game. Its nice that it has that familiarity, makes it easier to digest the new world we were given. In time I believe most the game will visually change, giving us a fresh new look at something that was never meant to be a lazy copycat of Pokemon and Ark.
I hope you're right...
Said so much just to be wrong
lol when the "copy cat" of ark smashes both versions put together on their releases and then some. also I think people love it because it is what Pokemon Arceus was thought up in peoples heads, or just pining to be brought something new and fresh instead of the same hashed out but with slightly different monsters for the 20th times.
but I think they have the base gameplay and rough schematics to work with, I hope its just QOL changes like Pal AI movement and extra features that bring them to life even more. as well as extra content and expand upon the damm amazing start they have.
its sad that this is what gaming has come to, miss being a kid and just enjoying games without criticism or choosing a side
Admittedly, I've teased the designs a bit on a different video about the game, although I haven't joined either extreme on this subject.
I do agree with the last tweet. It's too bad a lot people have a 'with us or against us' mentality.
People are obviously craving a game like Palworld - the game may not be there yet but it has all the right pieces in the right places.
I wish I had something more constructive to add, but that’s exactly how I feel about it.
It's not even the same game honestly lol.
Pokemon is a turn base RPG.
Palworld is a open world survival/like what Ark is.
Palworld is a very fun and good game don't get me wrong, but those who are expecting this to be what Pokemon should be, are coping real hard, since both games are different in genres. Sure, Pokemon needs to improve in other key areas, like performance, animation, look. But no way, should it become what Palworld is gameplay wise.
I'd have to disagree with you. Pokemon fans have been begging for a high quality open world style game for years. I think that is why this game is so popular, it's what we want and Nintendo just dropped the ball playing it safe.
@@SleepyShed-zn9oq There is no chance that Pokemon is going to turn into you shooting, punching, or stabbing Pokemon though. That's my point. A big reason for me, as to why the game is fun, is because a game of it's calibur, as in one like ARK is a fun game/concept.
It's why I say about them not being the same kind of game. Pokemon has been a turn based game for it's main line for YEARS. Something which I doubt will change, so there is zero chance of it matching the gameplay mechanics of Palworld. Sure, it could have it look more open, no denying that. But if one expects it to be like how it is in Palworld with you legit beating the hell out of something with a weapon, then they're gonna be disappointed.
Plus they've done it too, and seems like the general sense that it didn't go down too well.
@@PhantomOverlordX2 obviously we don't want guns in a pokemon game I believe that went over your head. We want an open world game that feels like we are walking through the anime with pokemon living in the world instead of just being placed there to do nothing but walk around waiting for a trainer to catch it or defeat it. The pokemon formula is just outdated and fans shouldn't be criticized for wanting the game to finally evolve.
Also pokemon isn't just a turn based rpg? They have snap that is pretty much an on rails shooter, they have a dungeon crawling game, a base management sim, a semi open world game that was okay but still not what fans wanted, a fighting game, a moba. To think that a pokemon game with real life to it is out of the question is strange
The fact that your main theme is about Scrafty, and yet you have Leezpunk only being compared to Toxtricity is such a missed opportunity, how did you miss that?
cassette beast imo is far better then pal-world the mons actually look really cool and unique
I don't see plagiarism with designs. Yes the art style is similar but the pals you mentioned are transformative enough for it to be its own creation Red Tool(DC) vs Deadpool(Marvel).
Besides theres nothing legally wrong with copying styles. Art styles aren't protected.
I think a lot of those Palmon comparisons are a stretch. Like the Galarian Meowth one. That mouth is used on lots of things in both games and anime.
Reminds me of the Suzume's cat thing
Reminded me of the cat bus from totoro
Ngl i feel like most the pals are completely fair game. Stuff like the lilligant comparison feels like it only compares the concept alone and not design( aka pokemon doesn't own the idea of a plant lady). Of course im not ignoring stuff like the luxray comparison but i can't help feel people are overly reactionary. Critique is good but know when its the right time to use the critical shotgun.
I agree and it's not like pokemon is completely original either, they ripped off a lot from Dragon Quest
So I just want to say a few things about the similar designs . I just want to say Pokémon is one of my most played games, and I have limited exposure to other games, movies, etc where some of the design characteristics may be common that I am aware of. I also have no interest or knowledge on Pal World outside of a few minutes I’ve seen from streams, a video a year or so back, and this video. So I may be a bit biased.
- Grass Cinderace. The legs and arms are both similar but generic enough I don’t think they’d be an issue by themselves. However, the ‘shorts’, spiked fur cuff on said pants, and the ‘belt’, while not exactly 1:1, are extremely similar - moreso if you take the color away. The triangular belt pattern also looks almost identical from the image you show. The general hair and ear shape are similar, particularly in gesture, but would be different enough, and the ears generic enough to be considered different.
- Luxray. I notice the fur pattern on the face, how the black runs along the top of the eye and the top of the muzzle, looks almost identical, but I also see it a lot on character designs in general. The eye is almost the same shape (the top of the Pal’s eye is a bit curved up), and the pupil and iris have the same proportions as Luxray’s. The spiked fur, particularly how it comes backwards off the neck and forehead, and again flowed backwards off the shoulder blade and upper foreleg, is extremely similar to Luxray. It also looks like from the picture that it has more fur spiking up on its butt right where Luxray does, too, though I can’t be certain. The general black pattern is very close to Luxray, leaving the lower legs and face bare in similar but not identical places.
- The grass Dino looks more like Venusaur and goodra I’d say, I don’t see many similarities to Meganium. The curved horns are similar in length to goodra’s with the same backwards flowing curve shape, and the general fat Dino body with the curled tail is similar, but other than the horns is quite generic. The flower shares similar placement to venusaur’s, as well as the reddish pink petals, white spot patterns, and crown. The eyes do look, like Luxray’s, almost identical in proportion and shape to Meganium’s.
- G Meowth. I’ve seen the comments about ‘it’s just a Cheshire!’ But Cheshire doesn’t have the same seven triangle teeth in the nearly exact same shaped mouth and eyes of the same proportion and positioning to the mouth in every depiction, particularly not creative ones like this. I don’t have a problem with the rest, but I’d be interested in seeing if the Cheshire eyes and mouth were copy-pasted off of Meowth.
- Cobalion. It’s mostly the deer shape plus the color plus the horns that make it look similar. Nothing is exact I’d say, just a mixture of many similar enough elements. I wouldn’t say it had no inspiration from Cobalion, though.
- Lycanroc. I also see all the people going on about how it’s just an edgy feral wolf. It has the same play-do spiked mane, the white socks are quite similar, as well as the tail. The spiked mane is quite distinctive to lycanroc, so I’m guessing is was taken right from there. Mist of its sins are just being an overly generic and edgy feral wolf though, I’d say.
- Lilligant. Very similar pale orange flower striped white with a yellow and orange five pointed ‘crown’. Same general concept and vibe.
- Sobble. The fin looks copy-pasted. Blatantly copy-pasted. That’s all.
- Lucario. I think it’s just a less original Anubis/Upuat design. It’s just generic and unoriginal, if nice to look at (other than the ape hands). Little to do with Pokémon in specific.
- Staraptor. A stream started auto playing on my phone (Palworld was all over my YT) and I literally thought it was a new Pokémon trailer with Staraptor. More objective: same color scheme with similar color placements. The white bib with the black zig-zag, red Mohawk, etc. Mostly the bird of prey combined with the color and pattern, though. Same vibe. Definitely ‘inspired’, though.
- Mewtwo. Mostly the hands/fingers, the stylization of the hipbone and the general cat look. I probably wouldn’t notice unless it was pointed out.
- Generic cute mammal. The feet and face do look a lot like eevee. The nose and mouth are very similar, but in both cases are highly stylized.
- Giratina. The eye and the more segmented looking armor are very similar, the eye looks to be the same size comparatively. The triangular ‘pendant’ on the crown and the way it sweeps back like horns while staying a flat bit of metal is quite similar.
- I also wanted to say I saw a Pal that made me immediately think ‘lati twins’ even when I wasn’t looking for Pokémon similarities.
Most of these I think would be fine if they had one of the mentioned traits, or if it was just one Pal with this issue, I’d be happy to call it a homage and move on, ‘But Nintendo copied!’ Isn’t a good excuse when we’re assuming that this game is trying to be better. If they can make a game that people think is better than Pokémon, they can be more creative than Nintendo, in both their original ideas and folklore they are inspired by. Being a small team doesn’t excuse taking non-public domain (or whatever the term is) assets and putting them in a *paid* game. Proof-of-concept? Sure. Paid, finished or otherwise? No.
Ripping off another company for money, big or small, is not great. If they’ve taken anything from a smaller company or single person, we may not know. Even if you don’t give a shit about Nintendo, I don’t see much stopping them from taking from smaller entities if they’re fine taking from a high profile company. I hope they fix things so people who have the game don’t have to worry about drastic changes due to copyright. End wall of text.
Honestly some of the design comparisons I've seen are kinda of a stretch but that's just my opinion
The game is gonna die within a month like TemTem. People are so desperate for something to compete with Pokémon😭
The Palworld fans have been pissing me off cause of how blind and biased against pokemon they are cause they can’t admit to these obvious similarities, they say it will light a fire in GFs ass, but this game will definitely fizzle once they realize the flaws in a game like this, how many stolen ideas is it gonna take? I don’t need anything special from pokemon, I just want good games, and besides BDSP, I’ve been getting that
having played Palworld, it's "legally distinct" pokemon with ark mechanics. Pokemon can't monopolize monster catching and Pokemon has copied it's designs from Japanese Mythology and DragonQuest soooo...Kinda grasping at straws. I enjoy both games. GameFreak can learn to stop making repeat games and actually improve Pokemon for once then maybe it won't have to worry about games like Palworld stepping above them. But they already legally trademarked the Pal stuff just as Nintendo has Pokemon. So legally, they're in the clear. Any Pals that came too close to Pokemon were already removed.
this is so true, the original 151 Pokemon include a bunch of Dragon Quest design 'ripoffs'.
Go to 1:30 for the difference. Pokemon didn't directly pull body parts from Dragon Quest Monsters like Palworld did.
Your last sentence is my stance as well.
It is very obvious to me how close they look to Pokemon. I saw one which has the exact same ring around its body like Arceus at the same place, with the same body structure.
However Gamefreak needs to up their game. They lost track of their fan base. The people which got hooked in the 2000 got frustrated and I jumped off the train after gen 7.
The designs, imo, feel like Pokemon that have been Digimon-ized. They don't exactly look like anything that would appear in a Pokemon game while still borrowing bits and pieces from actual Pokemon designs.
This video sums up my thoughts perfectly. If I'm being honest, I'm not bothered by the Pokémon/Pal design similarities, it just seems like "spoof movie" situation to me.
I definitely think though that to the common person who still views EVERY other monster taking game as a "Pokémon ripoff", this game doesn't help us look good.
I don't think it's going to happen, but hopefully the extremely obvious examples of copied designs get changed when the game enters a full release.
And as a side note, the whole "AI" thing seems like a load of garbage so far. Besides the Ai drawing party game the studio previously made, there is no evidence suggesting that Palworld has Ai generated designs. Yes Ai is bad but calling everything you dislike "Ai" with no rhyme or reason only serves to confuse people even more.
Damn I hate how radicalizing twitter can be.
Oh I 100% agree on that. There is no indication of AI from what I can see.
And while its obvious to me that AI would be pretty good at making videogame textures, as far as im aware there has not been any models trained specifically do to that.
So unless there's actual 2D artwork it'd be a stretch to say AI played a role in generating any assets.
Ai is the new scapegoat for people to say when they don't like something. Internet never changes, it just loop to the same place with a new coat of paint
The creators do have a history of using AI and talking about how they use it tbf
@@GreiH not in this game
@@TreeckoDX64 in other games
I'm happy people like Palworld but it's definitely not my cup of tea both in terms of designs or gameplay.
I looked at all the palworlds design and dex descripitions and out of the hundred of designs only a handful caught my eye :
I think some designs like Maraith, Tombat, Cawgnito, or Cryolinx are not just ripoffs and relatively good but they still lack details, lore, or something to make them feel more alive, for me at least.
Weirdly, I feel like Hangyu is the best one out of all of them because it has a clear inspiration (it is also why it's never gonna be used by GF lmao) and through its dex entry, it shows both its "role" in the world and the cruelty of Pals that is more evident in Palworld than in Pokemon.
Depresso's design is severely lacking but it has a cool concept and it even affects its behavior which is very cool imo.
It reminds of Toby Allen's project "Real Monsters" with disorders shown as monsters with awesome designs and lore.
Still, the game is in Alpha and could become better. With a coherent world, a better gameplay and more developed designs like Cassette Beasts or Pokemon that works in the world, I feel like I could buy it, but right now it's really not for me.
I’ve heard a lot of people say that this game had potential, but felt souless
so i bought it yesterday, i wasnt too excited for it through watching streams, but i thought i give it a chance, i played 9 hours nonstop.
I've heard more people say that it's extremely fun, but they're afraid that it might drop off at some point. So, pretty much the opposite.
I wouldnt say soulless, but its definitely... confused, it doesnt know what it wants to be, or at least thats how i feel. (Like seriously, the creatures were so shoe-horned in for marketability it hurts.)
It's called early access for a reason
@@spyrin3354don’t charge 30 dollars for something that uses premade assets and designs that are not yours
I feel like some of this is blown out of proportion
Like the yellow round eyes isn’t exactly a pokemon thing
The goodra maganium thing.. like come on its a generic dinosaur
The idea of a wolf monster isn’t a pokemon thing since lycanroc is a generic monster with rock spikes
Pokemon has enough monsters if you look at any number of monster tamers you can probably say that about any monster in any game
But admittedly the asset thing is sus and the fact the game company has a history of scams also is worrying
I dont think the asset thing is that sus. I mean do you really expect an indie team to make all original designs for *everything?* Not only is this an alpha but they are just focusing on what is important. Would it really be worth it for them to model a generic rock? Or would it make more sense to use the asset that comes with the engine?
@@Yipper64I don't understand people complaining about that at all. Taking inspiration from another game's design isn't stealing. Using assets isn't stealing. I wish people would stop conflating "lazy/unoriginal" with "stealing"
@@Yipper64 well to be fair i wouldn’t usually but the game is 24 pounds on steam usually recently went down to 22 cause of a sale. Generally if theres money involved you wouldnt expect it to be a asset flip and considering how they had scammed people in the past i can understand people being cynical
If you didn’t know palworld isnt the first game where you catch animals they made. One got funded but never released but i also think its the usual pokemon fan defensiveness that comes out every time a new mon tamer gets remotely popular
My only hope is the palworld devs prove people wrong
@@Rabbinky I still feel like either way calling it an "asset flip" is a bit much just because it uses stock assets whatsoever.
Like, when I think asset flip I think those five dollar games that are discounted from $800 that are pumped out cheaply just for achievement hunters and all that, barely functional as "games" that use purely stock assets and dont have much more than 2 minutes of gameplay to speak of. Like at the very least this isnt a scam or an asset flip. You can call it overhyped, you can say its literally made for virality, that's all probably true, but I just think its too far to call an asset flip.
@@Yipper64honestly i agree with this its not like assets need to be 100 percent new my only complain is the realistic background makes the monsters feel kinda alien to it. I think all games kinda strive to be viral so i honestly don’t think that means anything
I completely agree. I've been waiting for someone to say this. as a pokemon fan i agree that some of the design aspects VERY heavly lean on existing pokemon fans love, but i feel if the creators give enough love they can have a fantastic game on their hands and could become the rivals pokemon needs to get out of this odd state they've been in. Ive seen many people fighting over this game and bringing up claims that weren't brought up when palworld was first announced.
Im also glad that they have an offline feature (at least for the trial on xbox) for us who dont have the funds currently to pay for online subscription.
I don’t really agree that the game is made soulless or loveless by the fact that it uses ideas from other games. Every game is influenced by its predecessors and it’s not generally frowned upon to borrow mechanics from other games when building your own. There’s only so many different ways to represent the UI, or Plus, by borrowing from games in a similar genre, you also cut down on the amount of learning players need to do to enjoy your game. There’s a reason so many games use Space for jump, and it’s not just because it’s comfortable.
As a counter example, Stardew Valley’s art and gameplay is incredibly similar to Harvest Moon. I doubt anyone who has played those games would ever say that SV is soulless or a cash grab because of that.
I do think that the developers try too hard to be an edgy version of their inspirations, and they certainly could have broadened their references for their Pal designs, though. I wouldn’t call the devs lazy for it, but they should have done more to give their game a unique style
the soulless part is that the designs are cheap and the graphics are basic
@@HoodlumCallumthat leads into the argument that games need good graphics to be good though...
@@SleepyShed-zn9oq graphics matter. they aren't everything by all means, but they do matter.
@@HoodlumCallum I'd have to respectful disagree I feel if the game is fun graphic don't matter. Look at games that have bad graphics (or lack there of) that are truly good games like Pacman, world of warcraft, runscape, Starfox, and even valheim. Sure graphics are nice to look at but I'd personally rather the devs start focusing on better mechanics rather than how good the dirt looks.
@@HoodlumCallumFirst of all, having a similar design does not automatically mean it's lazy. Second, some of your accusations are a stretched such as the wolf one because the only similar thing is a public domain idea in general shape and feral style.
I won't ignore that some seem more copied but the idea that it automatically means it's bad is delusional. What about vampire teeth, what about the fact that there is even a Pokémon that uses the slime smile from dq, what about the fact that certain anime characters exist?
I agree with your big point. Most of the pals that I cannot see as original I will not use in my playthroughs because every time I see them I do think of copyright. If they would just redesign those ones I'd be happy. I've also never played ARK so the UI for that being so similar is news that is unfortunate as well. The gamplay loop is great imo and I've still had fun with it.
I feel like calling it a cash grab is disingenuous. The game is very fleshed out for an early access release. Often in early access title, placeholder assets will be used until the developer finds the right balance between the gameplay and the artstyle. We will likely see overhauls of certain Pal designs, the UI, and terrain. I am sure they didn't expect the massive success they received at the start, but it will be interesting to see if they take the money and sit on it or use it to improve the game. There is so much potential for this game, and it honestly feels like an evolution on the creature catcher genre that is at least worth some merit. If you told me a game was going to have Pokemon, Guns, Factories, Base Building, Open World, Raids, and so much more, I would've been surprised to see any single thing being done well, but they managed to execute on almost every one of them successfully. There's room for improvement, but the reality is that there's more good in Palworld than anything Gamefreak has put out in a decade or more.
TLDW: a game made by a small team had some creative liberties (if gamefreak doesn’t abuse the copyright system) and some pals look similar to pokemon
Same opinion the rest of the nintendomanbabies have been echochambering but he just tries to seem less bias by saying he likes the game. Yeah it’s obviously why this video has over 30k views yet under 3k likes.
You got a hidden talent for content creation, just keep it hidden. 😂
Similarity=familiarity homie and this game is Poppin off. It's really fun, feels fresh(even with the game design of ark+Pokemon). They made it their own and hope to see it grow more and more. It's hard to deny that it's not a good game... Even if it is built off the backs of others... Then again, what game isn't?
try again
There's similarity and then there's almost blatant carbon copies. Palworld here falls into the latter
@@HoodlumCallum you need new glasses check again. Palworld isn’t pokemon.
@jordanludlum7066 you may need to look up "carbon copy"
I think its ok for palworld to have designs similar to Pokémon as long as they aren't exactly the same. To give an example I think the goodra meganium pal (dinossom) isn't a clone and is just familiar because of the Pokémon art style, there were creative decisions made in that design that distinguish it enough for me. But there are some like the Lucario and cinderace clones that I see as daylight robbery. At the end of the day though its all subjective, but I think calling the game creatively bankrupted is a little bit harsh.
When I look at most of the pals I get the sense that they we're designed without much thought other than being conventionally appealing. but there are a few that are really t amazing that I didn't immediately associate with a Pokémon (or if I did I thought it was original enough change for it to stand on its own two feet) The pals like Jolthog, Woolipop, mudish, and that stag beetle one have some some real charm (for me at least).
Cawgnito is my favorite lol
Nah I think calling the game creatively bankrupt is fair. Like come on is it that hard to be more original? Cassette Beasts does it why can't Palworld?
@@naganut9718I appreciate you saying it so I don’t have to say it 300 times
@@ragnaricstudios5888 unfortunately not for me. I keep seeing similar responses lol
I think this game is a good proof of concept of what a survival pokemon game could be to be honest. Legends Arcues was so close to perfect imo, but I wanted them to go further, and Scarlet and Violet was a slight mistep backwards.
I hope Palworld does continue to succeed though cuz Pokemon really die need more competition to force them to improve.
Honestly i bought palworld with my boys today because we all thought it would be a fun joke, but honestly it's really fun. I never got into any of the pokemon knock offs like temtem and I put it down to the fact that the creatures didn't capture me like pokemon did, but palworld doesn't seem to have that issue and i think it could be literally because they're so close in design that they feel like pokemon.
Some of them literally Hage their faces on them
Lycanroc afternoon form 💀
"I wanna start off this video by saying I like pal world 🤓"
Honestly wish I could play Palworld. Unfortunately it's not on playstation yet
Ark Survival Pokémon Mod but that’s it that’s literally it
Pretty much yeah.
If ark had this games automation it would be a 10/10
yeah it's actually a very good game
I'll admit, I came into this video expecting this to be a "defending a billion dollar company" video but you bring up good points.
Good video.
I mean, the creators of Palworld will be the same lol
Totally agree, I'm loving this game so I would be totally fine with them redesigning some of the monsters. So many creative people out there, so I doubt it would be that hard to improve some of the lazier designs. Definitely a good sign that this is popular, so hopefully they will put more work into it compared to their previous game. It's still in beta, so there's hope.
I really agree with the tweet you showed at the end: Pokémon has its flaws, they can do better. At the same time, Palworld is just lazy and a moneygrab.
But now that I said this, I really have to point out the irony of people praising Palworld but at the same time calling Game Freak lazy... like make it make sense.
What do you mean? Palworld is a fun blend of pokemon and ark and rust. It's fun. Pokémon hasn't made a big change ever. It reuses it assets and does the bare minimum. I praise palworld bc it's a fun game. And call game freak lazy bc they absolutely are.
@@bleb87 Thanks for proving my point. I'm not sure how you can not call a game that literally plagiarises assets not lazy, but in the same breath call Game Freak lazy, despite some Pokémon having new models, animations and better textures.
@08Juan80 oh yay new textures and animations... how revolutionary 😴😴 its still always the same game. It's okay bro we can like different things.
@@bleb87 And what do you want? Pokémon has always been a monster collecting game with the same mechanics and some gimmicks. There have been a few main series games that didn't follow the gym formula.
Anyway, those are 1000x better than a cashgrab made of stolen assets made by pro NFT devs.
@@08Juan80 4 million players in a week beg to differ
I’m glad it’s a beta I hope there’s a lot of room to grow with this game
When it comes to copy cat designs, the only 2 that are obvious are luxray and the cobalion one. Everything else looks inspired from certain mons sure, but not close enough.
The lilligant lookalike for example just looks like a generic grass waifu type design than actual lilligant. The "meowth" one i dont see at all, it looks more like a skitty/gengar lovechild but honestly i think thats just an interesting idea. The bird being xatu is the furthest reach Ive seen like they dont look remotely similar. And lucario already looks like a pretty generic anubis dog, not saying that he isnt cool because anubis is awesome, but i cant really criticize palworld without ALSO criticizing gamefreak too (im sure it has other inspirations too... But im sorry its just blue anubis to me). Personally having pals that look similar-ish to pokemon is just smart on their part. Most creature collectors arent fun to me because the creatures arent really interesting or just feel like really stupid ideas that arent organic. This gives them a sense of recognizability and familiarity so that i can become attached to them.
And ultimately, what matters in the end to most players is "is the game fun". Idc if a game is lazily made, what i care is is the end product fun. Scarlet and violet have a ton of cut corners as well, whether thats due to time constraints, laziness or both is up in the air, but the game certainly feels lazily made because it plays horrendously (story, QoL and basic gameplay are great, but that doesnt make up for the numerous problems it has for me). Pal world does have moments where you can see cut corners in the environmental design/animations (and i will agree that the ark menus are actually just 1:1), but from what I have seen those take up so little focus cause the gameplay is pretty solid and fun, and most of the bugs/glitches seem more funny than offensive.
If this is a cashgrab, then its probably THE best cashgrab on the market especially at a $30 price tag. Compare that to pokemon where its $60, x2 for both versions, and a $35 dlc (x2 as well), and honestly pokemon seems significantly more offensive.
And Palworld is almost bugless, comparing to S and V tho...
Absolutly. The other issue is, those pokemon are almost all based on something else. Gengar has a weird smile partially based on the Cheshire cat and Totoro. Most t Rex mons are based on godzilly. Lucario is based on Anubis. If anything the Pal looks way more like Anubis than he does. Heck, many pokemon look like Digimon. Blazikin and many human ish looking mons look like digimon. Pokemon doesn't own the concepts or the cartoon artstyle for creatures. So many games predate pokemon. The last issue is, pokeon are all based on mythology, items, or animals. Any ferret creature will look like Furret because it is ferret shaped. There are hundreds of mons with all different art styles, eye styles, mouth styles, bodies, etc. It is almost impossible to not make a cartoony creature have some pokemon aspect or another. Some comparisons are really silly. Game freak does not own, nor are the the first, to have a cute pink creature with a bow. Or a dear with weird colors. The list goes on, but this is silly. Most people complaining never played anything other than pokemon, because the overlap across games for creature designs is everywhere. Heck, some Yu Gi Oh monsters look like pokemon if you want to nitpick.
Lycanroc Afternoon Form XD
The biggest problem for me is the company, in the past abandoned their game Craftopia, and changed the game so much, that at the beginning it was fun with some mix of games like satisfactory, zelda and minecraft, in the end it was a totally different game and change for the worse
they gone and left us with a poorly optimized game, bugged as hell, popping problems, unfinished an unplayable thing and they never came back. this game for me is a cashgrab
I think people are not objective with this game because of their love for Pokémon and the fact that they still consider it a Pokémon with weapons
You should also be addressing the concerns between Palworld and Crafttopia as they made that game ages ago and it is still unfinished and with the new project they are working on it might be abandoned which might end up being the same for Palworld eventually too.
Following HoodlumCallums logic then HoodlumCallum copied Post Malone. This video is the ramblings of a nintendo fanboy not understanding what inspiration is.
Pokemon got gen 1 designs from dragon quest and uses trashbags and key rings as "original designs" these kids are idiots lol
LMFAO
FINALLY someone that gets it instead of going monkey brain when they see pokemon with guns
1:03 It's more Goodra + Lilligant. Look at its crown.
I’d take this game over Pokémon any day of the week.
Honestly this has been the pokemon game I've been begging nintendo for for years! Minus the guns of course 😂
"To sexy mewtwo"
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The whole "the designs are copied" thing drives me insane. There ARE designs that are clearly inspired, but you're really going to call LITERALLY THE EGYPTIAN GOD ANUBIS if he was entirely a jackal instead of jackal-headed "fake Lucario"? People are taking the comparisons way too far.
1:05 thats the cheshire cat
Unless the Cheshire cat also copied pokemon
The game FEELS fun, but I'm not sure how much of that is the novelty and shock value. While it would be cool if they did a bunch of redesigns, they already made trailers for a lot.of monsters. They might not think it's worth their time to do everything again even with all the success.
It has a lot of mechanics us crafting survival fans have been begging for. The way this game does automation is truly amazing and if seen in a game like Ark survival Evolved would make it a 10/10
The craziest part about many of these pals designs is that if you look at them you'll notice about 3+ different pokemons characteristics all mashed into one design
The funniest thing about pokemon is that if you really look at them, they are based on a much older game called life, they are literally cartoon animals
Many early pokemon designs were actually inspired by a game called dragon quest, but if you look at the differences between designs they tried very hard not to copy them entirely and completely redesigned them so they look totally different@@quetas83
@@santiagolopez9034Go to 1:30 for the difference. Pokemon didn't directly pull body parts from Dragon Quest Monsters like Palworld did.
Those designs aren't even close. They entirely redesigned them. You can see similarities if you see them together but you wouldn't realize it from looking at them individually. The pokemon ripping off dragon quest thing is such a poor argument. If pokemon copied dragon quests monsters but slightly changed their limbs or changed their poses or took faces from one monster and put them on another I'd understand, but they didn't. Some pal designs are exactly that regardless of if you deny it or not. This walks the fine line compared to pokemon/dragon quest, especially considering it's a japanese company and fair use and parody laws are nonexistent over there.@@RayOfTruth
What this guy said is literally truth
"Lights a fire"
PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds: Hold my beer
Not going lie, despite its flaws this has to easily be the most time consuming pokemon like game than the Pokémon games itself lmao.
I agree on most, but the ark parts i cant agree with:
While it uses basically the same systems as ark, those are assets that ark itself bought.
I dont think you can call it a copy of ark if ark already bought and used these assets many developers before used.
While the designs are clearly stolen the rest is just using assets that showed to be liked in previous games that bought them and is in my opinion just mostly smart for a somewhat smaller indie game. Many people also like minecraft clones that do similar things.
The only thing that makes palworld stand out besides other games that do simmilar things is the very blatant monster designs and its salesnumbers.
I wouldnt call it stolen, id call it blatantly and derivatively inspired. There's nothing totally original and clearly the developers wanted to make it VERY clear these designs are supposed to be reminiscent of pokemon, taking some design elements verbatim. But that isnt stealing, because they didnt steal the entire pokemon design. Just used the same design language and style.
@@Yipper64 i called it stolen since some designs are just one or 2 pokemon either just some aspects changed o when taking two combining both. There was near to none work done while "designing" the monsters. Othes seem to be the devs own designs and there is much between both of these statements.
In Full i would call it derived, but the fact that thee are designs that ae nearly the same as some pokemon is honestly nearly the only thing i would take as bad practice in this game.
So in a way i agree with your statement but think that they actually did go to far in some designs.
@@KainDing- Yeah I guess I can agree with that. Like, I think the real issue is that when you make a monster collector game, its going to be compared to the big one, pokemon. And making designs that are just that much too reminiscent of actual pokemon designs isnt helping in that respect.
... but if the Ark devs legally bought and properly credited assets they got from elsewhere per the purchase terms, then them reusing code/assets is fine as it is being done legally. If the Palword devs are reusing externally created assets without properly getting them and following the license for them, then that is a problem. It would need to be proven that this happened, though.
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I was literally saying that both are okay, as both games heavily uses bought assets.
Palworld gets bad press because of the creature Designs.
However because of that people are making it into an "asset-flip" Even though in regards to assets it is build like many well liked games.
Ijust wanted to point out that only the creature designs are the only thing not okay with the game. The rest is very common in indie games using UE or Unity.
i hope Palworld doesn´t become popular ,i just have an irrational hate to games that copy others (palworld ,fortnite ,etc)
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THIS!!! This is exactly my feelings on palworld, taking so much of the design aspects from Pokémon when the entire DRAW of a creature collector is the unique designers???
I want to enjoy palworld but the art theft is too high. If they change it I’m in if not then I stay away
For me Legend Arceus and B&W series is the PEAK of pokemon games. Palworld whoever feels more into Ark rather than Pokemon, though I understand that many of the Pal designs are pretty much resembles that of Pokemon.
And let's not forget the devs are AI and NFTbros that literally had a game about making ai "art". It's very hard to trust them
yeah what about dragon quest, they got similiar pokemon monster
Go to 1:30 for the difference. Pokemon didn't directly pull body parts from Dragon Quest Monsters like Palworld did.
I've had a big distaste with Palworld because everyone is singing its praises in Twitter, and I KNOW part of the reason its taken off so much is in part because of the problems in main line Pokemon and a "stick it to the man" sensation. But this is blinding people to the core problems of Palworld. Valid criticisms are blatantly ignored and people are flat out gaslighting themselves into ignoring clear evidence of creative bankruptcy in the current Palworld foundation.
Im not saying Palworld doesnt have interesting possibilities for the creature collector genre. Begrudgingly, I admit I might even like Palworld eventually, but ONLY if it actually makes its own identity, instead of resorting to asset-flipping and mobile game levels of ripping off. Right now, its a lazy game being propped up more than it should because people are having relationship issues with Game Freak.
It's been very fun watching Pokemon fans learn what satire and parody are. 😂😂 if this game wasn't successful ya'll wouldn't care. But Palworld makes Scarlet and Violet look like a student project and you guys can't handle it.
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@@HoodlumCallum spoken like the fanboy you are. Keep playing romhacks with stolen assets and pretend it isn't the same.
why so butt hurt? Did Pkm ate your $70 LOL or you paid them yourself
@PhatNguyen-iv5ph nope. Didn't buy SV because they're garbage. But I don't expect pokemon fanbois to know what quality is lmao
@@nathanielcoder3437 good for you. Then you can ignore and shouldnt attack those who spent money to buy pkm like that. You dont give them money to buy it anyway. Get good bro
what i find weird is that nobody talks about how morally questionable it is that you can catch actual people and force them to do literal slave labor
like the entire thing just feels like a a generic early 2010s parody animation thats trying way too hard to be edgy
???... The whole point of the game is that you as the player have the freedom to choose what to or what not to do. The devs literally went over this on their channel. The game in its totality is a parody that if "pokemon" were to exist in the real world it wouldnt be the cutesy adventure that we think it is. This is why every f*cked up question you could have ever asked about pokemon is in pal world. Can you eat pokemon? yes, Can you force pokemon to cross breed? yea, Can you use pokemon for labor and arent they already slaves? yes, Can a pokemon f*ck a human? Loveander: yes, Can a pokeball capture a human have the same effect it does on a pokemon, YES!
@@darryljack6612 all those examples sorta prove that the game is just bland and edgy though. like the entire games identity is just "pokemon but it's dark and twisted and has guns ooooo" with no actually original concepts.
sure, maybe the gameplay is fun and there's a couple cool mechanics, but it seriously feels like there is no passion. it's trying so hard to be cool but it has no unique ideas it's like if you made a shitty family guy bit into a game with no irony whatsoever
@@hazelmarill Except it's not inherently dark and twisted. It's like you replied without reading anything. It only becomes dark and twisted if the player chooses to make it so. You can play the game without killing any pals or people, without breaking any laws in the game, without using any guns. Those are all optional to the player and you can make the game as peaceful as regular pokemon.
@@darryljack6612 sure maybe the game isn't forcing you to use the guns but there's a reason why most people just call the game "pokemon with guns" because that's all that it is. whether or not you have the choice to do anything doesn't matter when those things are the only thing worth noting in the game.
as you said, it's a parody, it's entirely advertised as this hardcore take on the monster catching genre except any take presented is unoriginal and it all ends up coming off as desperate
@@hazelmarill Pokemon with guns is what everyone else calls the game because it stuck prior to the any actual knowledge of how the game really is. But the devs themselves never adhered to that title. Because that is redundant to the game itself, the more accurate saying would be that it is ARK with Pokemon
Also you say it's desperate and unoriginal, but it has some of the best records of sales, playtime, and players in steam history in 3 days not just for an indie game, but for a game in general. People are playing this game because they cant get what this game as anywhere else.
I want to find interest in this game because i love monster taming games, but like, why with guns? Like i have no problem with guns but i dont want to use one in a pokemon like game. I want them to battle, not shoot eachother with a gun-
Im here buying palworld to piss off Nintendo, we are not the same
I've got two points to make here. While there are some very blatant copies of pokemon in the game, a lot of the comparisons people are making are unproblematic imo and just hurting their argument. In just this video alone the staraptor "ripoff" looks nothing like it other than both just being big birds. The mewtwo "ripoff" is an extremely common humanoid monster design bodytype, and your example of giratina's head has completely different proportions. Pokemon fans are reaching way too hard with some of these comparisons and its got the reverse effect of making people dismiss those claims even with legitimate problematic designs in there.
Second, even though both palworld and pokemon criticisms can coexist, I think its important to note that the poor quality of pokemon games are a major reason why people dont care about palworld's issues. The criticism of palworld being a lazy passionless cashgrab holds less water when palworld, while being in early access, has already had more development time than mainline pokemon games, while being a third the price and free on xbox game pass. Palworld genuinely feels fresh, passionate and cheap in comparison to pokemon, which makes it much easier for people to accept it. Even if both games should be criticised, for people that consider palworld the better game, pokemon's problems and criticisms seem so mucb more severe than palworld's.