(Thanks for posting the manuscript, it's a privilege to get to read along with this wonderful performance.) This gem of a piece was originally the middle movement of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 21 in C major, Op. 53, known as the "Waldstein..." ...until a friend offered the opinion that it was too long for that piece and slowed the pacing of the entire sonata down. Ludwig Van, being Beethoven, was pissed off, of course, but after he calmed down, decided that the friend was right, and replaced this with that sonata's well-known (and permanent) second movement. This movement, here, became a stand-alone piece with its current title which Ludwig Van really enjoyed playing at parties and soirees.
Technically speaking, the replacement for the andante in the Waldstein was actually just an introduction. The piece ended up with just two movements, but there is enough going on in that intro to make it feel like a complete slow movement separate from the triumphant C Major Allegro.
I'm trying the "experiment" of listening to the "Waldstein" Sonata with this Andante as middle, slow Movement as it was originally planned. Seems the publisher eventually convinced Beethoven to cut it out and publish it as a separate Piece because the Sonata would have became otherwise too long, difficult and as such discouraging to most players - Then, just a few years after, Beethoven himself had pushed the envelope so much, the "Hammerklavier" went on print with no cuts whatsoever.
A friend of one of his students commented that with the addition of the original second movement, the sonata was too long. Although Beethoven at first was angry at him, he later decided to write a new second movement but realised this as a solo movement.
If Beethoven had kept this in as the second movement it would have made the Waldstein the longest sonata next to the Hammerklavier. I prefer this piece to the one Beethoven added.
Just a question, if it's said to be the first edition of the second movement from Waldstein, how it linked to 3rd movement? How the historical background goes?
I don't know exactly but either the ending of Andante favori or the beginning of the Op. 53 Rondo movement may have had some sort of additional passage for the segue.
Hey! May you show me the relation you found between these 2 pieces? I believe there is a relationship but didn't check it on Chopin's nocturne to corroborate.
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No one is talking about the awesome playing/interpretation? :) Flawless.
(Thanks for posting the manuscript, it's a privilege to get to read along with this wonderful performance.)
This gem of a piece was originally the middle movement of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 21 in C major, Op. 53, known as the "Waldstein..."
...until a friend offered the opinion that it was too long for that piece and slowed the pacing of the entire sonata down.
Ludwig Van, being Beethoven, was pissed off, of course, but after he calmed down, decided that the friend was right, and replaced this with that sonata's well-known (and permanent) second movement.
This movement, here, became a stand-alone piece with its current title which Ludwig Van really enjoyed playing at parties and soirees.
Nice!
Technically speaking, the replacement for the andante in the Waldstein was actually just an introduction. The piece ended up with just two movements, but there is enough going on in that intro to make it feel like a complete slow movement separate from the triumphant C Major Allegro.
I'm trying the "experiment" of listening to the "Waldstein" Sonata with this Andante as middle, slow Movement as it was originally planned. Seems the publisher eventually convinced Beethoven to cut it out and publish it as a separate Piece because the Sonata would have became otherwise too long, difficult and as such discouraging to most players - Then, just a few years after, Beethoven himself had pushed the envelope so much, the "Hammerklavier" went on print with no cuts whatsoever.
I clearly prefer that approach. The current 2nd is just not to my taste and I always skipped it until I learned the history behind the Andante favori.
This movement is regular, the new one is so profound and stressful.
Technically easier (to play)
Wunderbar einfühlsame und absolut stilsichere Interpretation dieses kraftvoll - wehmütigen Werkes👍👍👍
This was one of Beethoven's favorite pieces to perform
It was also Georgiana Darcy’s favorite as well
It's so pretty. Sounds like falling in love. Little too fast in the video though
@@zvezdoblyatif I remember correctly it’s said he wrote this for josephine, a woman he was in love with
@@lily-ur8we if that's true, then he really captured that feeling in this piece ❤️
Immersiva ed emozionante interpretazione.
Jo.....se....phi...neee
originaly the second movement of his waldstien sonata
A friend of one of his students commented that with the addition of the original second movement, the sonata was too long. Although Beethoven at first was angry at him, he later decided to write a new second movement but realised this as a solo movement.
@@LegoDonut18 Typical example of executive meddling.
The best interpretation of this piece on RUclips!
"Joo- se -phii -ne"
If Beethoven had kept this in as the second movement it would have made the Waldstein the longest sonata next to the Hammerklavier. I prefer this piece to the one Beethoven added.
ganz wundervoll. dabke , herr semilakovs
I’ve never heard a second movement to a sonata be in rondo form along with the following third movement. Interesting structural choice Beethoven made.
KV 525 eine kleine nachtmusik, 2nd movement
Beethoven's Op. 13 (the famous Pathetique) does just that. Sonata-allegro / Rondo / Rondo
@@hanellipsis yeah, quite common during the Classical era, although musicological sources do not mention rondo form as canonical for slow movements
Beautiful.. thanks for sharing the video.
Superb!
theme reminds me a bit of the 2nd movt of schubert a minor violin sonata
As a person with not big hands, the octaves part always hurt me as hell lol
Arrau played too slowly, I love this interpretation so much.
Just a question, if it's said to be the first edition of the second movement from Waldstein, how it linked to 3rd movement? How the historical background goes?
I don't know exactly but either the ending of Andante favori or the beginning of the Op. 53 Rondo movement may have had some sort of additional passage for the segue.
Lovely
A piece for the true 'immortal beloved'?
„Jo-se-phine“ ?!
Ah oui , c est vrai , il y a quelque chose de an die ferme geliebte !
Mais il y a aussi tout l esprit de Schubert , c est impressionnant !
According to wikipedia, yes.
Chopin nocturne in F minor
What? This piece composer in 1803-1804 nocturne chopin in 1843, i think.
What Chopin Nocturne?! What do you want to tell?
@@r0mmm I can hear perfectly the melody from chopin's nocturne.
@@r0mmm ruclips.net/video/e3yrEEM5j_s/видео.html
@@rerus-officialchannel1060 this is beethoven. Wake up
Thank you, Connor😇
You’re the oest🎆🇺🇸
2:24 Aha Chopin copied his Nocturne in B Flat Minor from this!
Hey! May you show me the relation you found between these 2 pieces? I believe there is a relationship but didn't check it on Chopin's nocturne to corroborate.
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