Rugby Referee Analysis: Ben O'Keeffe | Springboks vs Australia 2023
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- I'll start by saying that overall I thought the officiating was good. In general I think Ben O'Keeffe is a good ref, and what I like the most about him is the fact that he is one of the very refs that will publicly admit if he made a mistake and then he'll discuss his decision making in making that mistake. He's not like most refs, who hide behind closed doors and play the whole "refs are human" excuse card. Now, Ben did have a shocker in the Super Rugby final, I don't think anybody can deny that, but he got attacked on social media by fans and they attacked him with personal stuff. I'm all for if he criticizing a ref for his officiating that happened on the field, but that gives nobody the right to attack a ref on his personal life, people who do that are stupid, there's no other way to say it. I just wanted to make that clear because it's childish and stupid to attack a ref on social media with stuff that is absolutely nothing related to his performance. If you want to criticize the ref, keep your criticism about his officiating.
No that I got that out of the way, in this game my issues were more with the AR's at scrum time and then the TMO also missed a few stuff. There was a few mistakes from Ben O'Keeffe himself, but that's going to happen in rugby. The first part I show some foul play from Marika Koroibete, who made 2 questionable tackles. Now he has shown he has a history of this where he does not use arms and just dives shoulder first into a ball carrier. 2 of them were not even checked by the TMO, then on the 2nd one as well, we have Willie le Roux going into the face of the ref and trying to milk a yellow card from the ref. Now I do think the tackle should be checked, but the way Willie le Roux acted there was unacceptable, and also has a history of this. This is classic Johny Sexton behaviors where a player is milking the situation. I hate that and feel like it should be stopped. I honestly wouldn't mind if the penalty got overturned and Willie got penalized. Not to mention the SA Broadcaster who is trying to show the replay multiple times without the ref going to the TMO, which indicates they're trying to force the ref to use the TMO. Which is another thing I hate, the broadcaster should not play the role of TMO, the TMO should check it on his own.
Then there also was a tackle by Pieter Steph du Toit, when I saw it life I thought it was going to be checked by the TMO because PSDT just dived into the head of a ball carrier with his shoulder. It was reckless. This happened fast, so I can understand the ref missing it, but the TMO should help him there.
Then there were the scrums that I thought was poorly handled by Ben as well as his AR's. But mostly his AR's as in most cases he was on the other side of the scrum where it collapsed, and the AR had clear vision of it, but never told him. Which led to scrums being reset, that should've been penalties to SA. I also wasn't a fan of Ben not rewarding SA for a dominant scrum. He was inconsistent the whole time at scrum. He keeps telling SA to use the ball, when the scrum was collapsed by Australia before the ball was available. Then on other cases he'll reward the penalty. It was just inconsistent at scrum time.
But like I said, if we look at the full game overall, I think he had a good game. But was not a fan of the AR's, who were - Paul Williams (NZR), Andrea Piardi (FIR), as well as the TMO who was, Brendon Pickerill (NZR).
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What makes Ben O'Keefe such a great referee is his rapport with the players. Even after Willie le Roux's somewhat over-enthusiastic advice, he simply said: "thank you, Willie" and carried on. He is also not trigger-happy with handing out cards. Top referee.
Out of all the refs, Ben has definitely improved the most in this World Cup cycle and has become a very good ref
In my opinion, the best referee in the sport. Not just for his rapport, but makes great calls with what he has, tries to be logical and fair in the spirit of the game and does not go on a power trip like some referees do.
As a ref you cannot catch each and every incident in the game, not humanly possible. You check the offside line and miss the shoulder, only one pair of eyes out there in the park. Thought the referee had a great game, used his assistant referees and the TMO very well. One of the better refereed games I have seen for a while. I liked his calm deliberate approach. I hate penalty tries but both were probably deserved.
That's probably why theres 2 other refs on the side and a bunch more watching every move called the TMO. Did you know about that?😀😀😀
If the ref and his team can’t catch every incident, doesn’t that suggest there is a problem with the game?
But the guy continues to do the same thing, last time he almost injures Mampimpi with almost the tackle why can they offer after match suction
You should retire.
Ben had a good game I thought. Sure if you watch it again from the TV's angle where you can see tho whole pitch, you can probably spot a couple of half misses but thats rugby and he was fair.
Liking the more balanced and level headed analysis and examples shown compared to when this channel first started - good job on this one, showing how both sides did benefit from the ref, in some instances, not being able to be "everywhere"
Agree that the Wallabies seemed to get away with too much at scrum time!!
Koroibete ahould have been given a red.
too soon🤣
BROOOOO just quit it with this mate. If all of these were checked the game would be going for 4 hours+ . U tryna ruin the game mate. Most of these little details doesn’t need to be checked LMFAO. The world wouldn’t want u as a ref
THIS WAS AS GOOD A PERFORMANCE AS ONE CAN WISH FOR FROM THE OFFICIALS. Tmo was also quick.
Laughing at the South Africans in the comments who would have pulled up 1000 different ‘bad reffing’ calls if the wallabies had have won. Recurring theme in the comments on this channel. If SA win ‘great refs’, if SA lose ‘bad refs’.
Really like how you just do one video highlighting all the mistakes not just the ones one way or another. ;)
I have been enjoying and learning a lot from your Ref. and player analysis: Great stuff.
I am not so sure I agree with a few of your highlights here: in the replays of Aus. 12 on Moodie: Aus 12 is an arriving player after moodie tackled fairly by Aus 11. Aus 12 is never off his feet and to me the contact is on the light side and not definitive of head/neck play. I agree completely about Willie trying to milk it.
in that line-out knock-on regather: I am not sure its really clear that Bongi "influences/touches" that ball, and I would be "rewarding" if one can say that - the regather. ( what I really mean is its a clear knock-on if its ball to turf) but if it's regathered I reckon play on.
Now: when Kitsoff Binds ( and he does bind) onto our 6 : All are on their feet and he is also first guy arriving: to me it's briefly a bound maul and If his bind don't change or drop hes NOT going to be off side. There's no completed tackle and On they go. So? no obstruction to me.
I guess on balance I think some of these plays were "marginal" and within referees call discretion?
Is it fair to say there is the Letter of the Law but also the spirit of the game?
Korobete had the same issues in Rugby League not wrapping the arms! But it's all throughout the NRL with players not wrapping arms. It's only when a player is injured they slow down the replay and pick up the shoulder charge lol!! But I personally love the shoulder charge lol should have never removed it
Facts 💯
Over all great performance from Ben O'keefe
Just keep in mind you are using video forward, rewind and pause plus angles. Hard for the refree to see and the lines man all angles and all places. Well done.
How many camera's is there on the play in a match? We need a layout of it printed in the news paper. Don't see any running angle camera men and high gain microphones.
@@MorneWillemse1 trust me, the TMO has a lot more angles than you think. I've seen it myself. With the 6 Nations game I got a hold of those angles. They can literally see 360 degree all over the field. That is a weak excuse that World Rugby uses. I can understand it being difficult for the ref, but being a TMO has to be the easiest job in sports.
Really fair and balanced analysis I didn’t watch the game but seems unbiased.
1) The first one I think it’s kinda hard since he crunched the guy not allowing him to wrap.
2) With the scrum ones, I think he’s probably missing it and in order to speed games up with the new spirit of the game stuff he tells them to play it.
Apart from that agree with most things.
2) Asking for a reset doesn't speed up the game for the scrums that ought to have been penalties though.
@@chris5240 what? That’s got literally nothing to do with what I said? I said for the ones he missed instead of resetting it he told them to play it to speed things up?
@@aurelius1877 He could have told him to use it and still given SA advantage for Aus infringement at scrum time.
@@chris5240 but if you read my comment, he missed the infringement/ appears to miss it. Instead of resetting it and slowing the game down he tells them to play it.
@@aurelius1877 Okay yeah, I guess that makes sense somewhat. Although the scrum did collapse on ref's side and maybe didn't want to continue to be so severe vs Aus since the game had been won and lost for some time. I don't mind some leniency sometimes.
I have actually seen refs calling for the scrumhalf to play the ball at the back of the scrum. However as far as I am aware, there is no rule that says that if it is available, the scrumhalf must play it - especially not at the command of the ref! A team should be able to decide if they want to keep it in the scrum. If the scrum has collapsed in the meantime, it is the ref's job to decide what caused it and if a team should be penalised, but not to just order the team to play the ball.
Marika Koroibete’s fist tackle was good. You’re supposed to use your shoulder when you tackle, and his arm comes around to wrap anyway.
He just strong that the player bounces away before he can wrap. Honestly if that isn’t a legitimate tackle then I don’t know whats happening to rugby. Marika has got natural strength 💪🇫🇯
Rugby league has been way more entertaining for a long time now. Faster and less stoppages from the refs.
No way that the PTSD head contact is remotely clear in that angle. You can see the Aus players head move but not a single frame suggests it was head on head contact.
Marika koroibete is an utter disgrace
He should Banned from rugby he should be transferred to league rugby because he shouldn't be doing such dangerous tackles
Just watched the Ireland vs South Africa game last night for RWC. I feel as if Ben O Keefe missed a lot of calls in that match: Etzebeth constantly offside, a couple of forward passes from both teams, etc.
One of the better games ito how the game flowed, felt like a few years back before all the nambi bull crept in. But I was pissed off that a few hits weren’t checked as I’m sure Boks would get carded for similar
i think that 11 falling on the wing was lucky he didnt make contact with head and instead made contact on his shoulder
I one 100% agree with you notion of SA 15 Willie. I know he has the experience to call these things out, however he seem to focus more on analyzing the ref than playing the game. Well, maybe all I am trying to say is he can play even better if he stops his bitching in the game. If you have an issue speak to your captain. Haha
I think WR want to avoid too much 'stop-start' rugby because it doesn't make for an entertaining spectacle; that's why a lot of scrums - that could have been penalised - are left play on. Sometimes it's frustrating but if everything is pinged the game won't flow.
This channel really tries to be objective! Impossible to do but the sincere attempt makes this one of the best rugby channels post matches
Channels like these are important. Refs need to review their reffing and calls post-match in order to improve.
you will still see people of the lossing team camplaining that he is being bias. even if he pings SA more than the other team. and bare in mind i'm not talking about Aussies here, any team that looses you'll see someone in the comments section compain about him being bias, to be fare SA commentators do that alot as well, so it's the commentators fault really
@@RugbyLover86 Squidge and this channel serve different purposes
You dont have to try and find mistakes in every game. The ref was very good and nothing happened that would change the outcome of the game.
apart from the break in play for Australia that led to a try but was blown up for whatever absurd reason..
SA fans still salty about the koribiete tackle on mapimpi
ref could have told willie to get out of his face, but he respects his elders, willie being 10 years older than him.
You obviously know nothing. O’Keefe is actually 34, whilst Le Roux is still 33. Stop blurting out farcical facts
@@karlosdeevs yeah right. And we should believe you?
@@RabbitholeIsrael hey small tip, why don’t you go research facts instead of making them up. Then it wouldn’t sound like you turned 13
@@karlosdeevs why dont you go research what a joke is. I think you might learn something.
@@RabbitholeIsrael all joke huh? or just foliage to mask the underlying sinicism..
you can move your content over to Rummble and not get it taken off line ? i think rumble lets you be honest
I agree that 15 is out of line but if he didn't do it it would of been unseen
this is the music when u discover a new planet or spot a forward pass
i would love to see the ref and AR call as they see the game. give each captain two white cards to refer to tmo which if yhe captain get it correct retain the card and wrong loose it. this will take pressure of the officials and back on team and coaches. they need to stay clean and refer real issues and not cry afterwards. about out of their control and "inches"
By the Rationale of the video maker, this who game should have been reviewed each n every decision, I'm sure they would still be playing
What about the knock on by SA in the lead up to the first try
Should not be collapsing scrums in the modern game... thats why they bind together before the hit..
Korobete is a no arms tackler always going in with the shoulder he did it all last year and he did it against the boks how is he still on the field
Thought BoK had a great game> Scrumming for penalties? Yes when you can but better to let the ball go and play it...The only thing I agree with is Koribete's high shot - saw it at the time and was surprised it wasn't checked. He is a serial offender with high shots (like O Farrell)
The ref was fine. Non-penalizing of scrums, though. is counterproductive and unfair.
(a) it incentivizes further intentional collapses, which is an injury risk.
(b) it neutralizes any benefit the dominant scum would have had because the defending looses are no longer backpedaling. In fact, they invariably unbind, separate from the collapsed scrum (in which they otherwise have been pushing desperately) being symbiotically bound by the merest of touches. Those flankers are then in reality offsides instead of 5 meters back.
I agree, Scrums are important part of rugby. But it feels like World Rugby is trying to move away from it. I mean what's the point of developing world class front rows, when you don't get rewarded for dominating scrums?
This just shows how poorly scrums are reffed needs to be fix as it is very frustrating
Scrums are a strange part of the game. The only time tou get penalised for not being as strong/skillful/technical as your opponent.
No other time do you get penalised for being run over, bumped off, smashed backwards.
Aus front row buckling under the pressure. Surely being manshamed is punishment enough.
Unrealistic to expect people to stay perfectly square and upright. Just let them get on with it.
No referee has ever played in the front row and it shows.
Aussie rugby has always had a problem staying within the rules. I won't name names as it is clear over the last 10-15 years who the main offenders were
If the referee has, as his PRIMARY objective, the safety of players, then he should penalize the Australian scrum to such an extent so as to reduce the game to uncontested scrums. See @ 5 minutes in. Koch had Slipper's head buried in the turf looking back through his legs. An extremely dangerous position to be in. And when a neck breaks, as it will against these mutant South Africans, it will be the referee's fault for "trying to let the game flow" and not rewarding dominance and not protecting the weak.
the SA vs France game was removed instantly
I do not know what is the point of the two sideline refs and also the 4th ref upstairs TMO? clearly the game is difficult for the modern day refs, the sideline refs can clearly see the plays. 6 eyes to help the two eyed ref with doing theist job possible. the ref cannot see everything yet we have two sideline refs, also cameras galore know, all this should be nipped in the bud long time ago.
Where’s the TMO for no.7 SA guy shoulder?? 🤷🏼♂️ the ref let too many SA players get away with stuff and aust got penalised for it
Did I just see Korobete shoulder Arense's head when Arense went to score?! Again?! I think less chirping would be good, but I suspect it happens more often because obvious fouls are missed or ignored, perhaps for the sake of keeping a gaming flowing. I think refs should be strict early in the games and stop teams from breaking rules. Not throwing in straight at lineouts and entering loose scrums from the side, are my major bitch.
I have always felt that Rugby in the pro era needs to have more officials on the field. I do not know what the appropriate number of officials would be for 30 players. Grid iron football has 6ish for 22 players. Rugby needs at least one other field reff. Let's start with 4 officials.
Do you think it's time for another Rassie special?
I agree with some of your points during the game, and don't agree with some, I have always said that perhaps refs should get fined for very poor performance, however looking for faults during a live game, whilst getting your position correct, as well as letting the game flow , and keeping it exciting !. My question is where do we stop because what you perceive to be fair, flowing, exciting rugby may not be the same as mine or the next guy.
His still upset when Canan stole his ball and scored his first try on debut 😂😂❤upyoubokke!!!!!❤
Fair analysis except for the Peter Steph "shoulder to head" incident...there I disagree
Little obstructions and that “knock on “ are minor but that armless tackling by Aus 11 is unbelievable and blatant and happens multiple times a game multiple games a year, year after year. What the fuck is this ?
I said this a billion times Marika should not play send him to the us to go play football
Korobite zargeting the young buck after being humilited by him last year
one can slow any match down and zoom in and find fault for 80 minutes. Depending on the bias
That Holocaust music again..must be tough times in SA
bro, dont they use the broadcasting for tmo anyways??🤣
I’m a fan of refs telling the attacking team to use the ball when the scrums collapses it speeds the play up and we don’t have constant resets and penalties slowing the game down
Then why have the rules?
@@everythingentertainment2518 If it's clear and obvious that a team is infringing sure give the penalty but if the ref isn't sure when both sides collapse instead of constant reset's just play the ball
Le Roux should go into politics he is always giving the ref advice, fools talk cause they have to say something!
A few weeks after the feud, referee Wayne Barnes revealed that his family were threatened following Erasmus' tweets; his wife receiving rape threats and his kids being targeted for a few days.[34]
Ausie try ... pass from Coroibete to Gordan looks forward?? Angle on screen can be misleading ...
I checked it, it was straight. It was basically the same as the Am pass to Arendse. Also the ref did go to the TMO when they showed the replay, and the TMO didn't have evidence to overturn.
Yes very misleading that's why you have to use slow motion/pause/ and frame advance.
The Aussie number 11 will cost Australia alot of games....i can see it coming.
sure..
My opinion is Rugby has tok many stops at the moment. If you are gunna have the T.M.O blow for everything it would turn in to a boring game.
Ben was really poor. Not up to the Standard of an International ref. 3/10
What do you expect from a new zealand ref.
History indeed shows that Ko....te is indeed a gangster player
Korobete just irritates me.
You're going to have fun at the world cup.
Ag please accept the loss
Terrible ref, theres reasons why he got critized so heavily after the super rugby season! What about just before half time when Australia got a penalty kick behind half way, why did they get called back on the advantage?😊
Korobete is still sour at moody for previous match when moody scored that try fetching the ball out of the air humiliating him,so he targeted him with purpose.Willie should stop running from fullback position to protest everything like he does almost every game , if he was penalized and it was reversed who covers back now,it litterally happened infront of AR also and tmo is not there to monitor every facet of play , this is not NFL . If every second gets monitored then we will soon play a 100min game which stops momentum play from the team dominating their strategy in real time instead waiting for a tmo talking to a ref he blows game dead "players" waterboys coming on during that period giving coach instructions changing flow what you see in NFL where there is always communication and strategy at play . Just saying
Bro am I the only South African that watches rugby from overseas broadcasters because I find the commentators to be annoyingly biased?
Excellent ref
this ref was boerline bias he made so many poor decisions at such crucial times
Some of that ozy tackling was shit,3,4guys missing 1 little winher
yes, whats the use for having the strongest scrum if they opposition dont get penalized?
Agreed, that's how I also feel about it.
Well I can answer that quite easily. The use of having a stronger scrum is that it gives your team a huge advantage unless of course you're simply scrumming for the purpose of gaining a penalty.
@@clarke1319 a strong scrum won us the world cup. so yes, you are suppose to get penalties when opposition lift up or collapse the scrum due to pressure
@@RabbitholeIsrael I never said penalties should not be awarded did I. I was providing an answer to your question. There are significant advantages in having a dominant scrum other than being awarded a penalty from said scrum.
@@clarke1319 no there's not. If the scrum collapse what advantage has the stronger team? Zilts. It's like having non contested scrums
Willie needs to stop with his nonsense
Win lose or draw…can’t wait to see what your team of Karen TMOs comes up with this week 👍
Well I'm confident that my TMO skills would be a lot better then Ben Whitehouse. Not too difficult to know what downwards pressure is. But hey, it's still a few months till the World Cup. I'm sure he'll learn from his mistake
@@tasanalytics arguably a knock on before grounding. Either way they lose game by minimum 8 points. Anyway, will look forward to seeing all the stolen tries and penalty kicks which the ref didn’t spot and which would have resulted in a resounding SA win
Ben O'Queef
Tbh it was a good game that Australia lost 😂 need get all the unions players back from league
Ahahahaha.. sad
Can’t wait for your video on the shocking calls by Wayne Barnes!!!🇿🇦🇳🇿
So? the ref is part of the game ,get over it and move on .
Solid officiating. I like that O'Keeffe moved to the side of the scrum with the issues. TMO / AR could have better supported him.
Also to edit and add - most refs are really subpar at scrum time. Miss angling in, collapsing and this gets worse as you move into leagues, university, and schoolboy rugby (where it's so different our schoolboys have to re-learn how to scrum outside of school).
O'Keeffe vs his colleagues did a much, much better job in this game even here vs the current average
Ooh yous girls are soooft.. the tackles are algood.. harden up this is rugby
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This channel is the biggest joke in the rugby community. Ludicrously one sided nonsense. The Boks were clearly the better team and clearly deserved to win, but if anything the referee was harsh on the Wallabies.
Maybe watch the full video mate
Wake up man
Korobete moenie kom kak speel, hy sal sy ma sien
no u
Good refereering
Indeed, props to Benno
Great analysis TAS, well balanced and consideration given to ref line of sight. Nice technical breakdown without bashing the ref. 👍
@@RugbyLover86 I think you'll find that there aren't that many Biden voters, just a helluva lot of "anyone-but-Orangeboi" voters. Now fokof and leave politics out of it.
Correct me if im wrong but didn't the rules recently change regarding non straight lineout, ref only penalises if the opposition contest, if they dont jump then play continues?
I thought ref had a great game but was let down by AR not communicating scrum collapse and TMO who uses hawkeye with 10 second delay is meant to pick up dangerous play the ref misses so dont understand how Aus 11 or SA 7 werent picked up by tmo and referred to the ref.
There was one other incident I noticed which was when SA no 9 attemps to play ball at back of a ruck but is pulled into ruck by Aus player and taken off his feet, 2nd AUS player then comes through and picks up ball from SA side of ruck and makes a break as deemed ball is out of ruck after scrumhalf is taken out, thus stopping a significant attack opportunity for SA, however I thought it was illegal to grab/interfere with scrumhalf at back of ruck.
Ref was great
Why not make it touch rugby and call it a day...cause we don't want the players to get hurt... And we also want to watch a game with 13 or 12 players playing against 15 cause of yellow and red cards... Sounds about right
I'd be willing to bet money that any average first-tier rugby player would be able to tackle the snot out of you without tackling you dangerously... The emphasis here is on the danger of broken necks and brain aneurysms. We all like good rugby, but it shouldn't become a sport marred by casualties.
@@cobus5841 We all love a game of good flowing Rugby it's a Contact sport where Decision making is made within milliseconds and a good tackle could become a bad tackle without Intent to cause Harm to another player... Not all players go out to brain damage other players or injury other players...No one wants to se players injured... they know the dangers of the game if not they would have taken a different career...the snot part was a bit uncalled for... But I would gladly tackle the snot out of you for free
For me the scrum is a difficult one. You can see a few times (with regards to AUS 3 collapsing) that SA 1 elbow is pointing down. This means that it is SA that should be penalised as the elbow shouldn’t be pointing down to the ground.
Ultimately 3 held his bind and 3 slipped (a few times), the minor binding thing is a small thing compared to falling straight away.
@@chris5240 but he’s only doing that because the front of him is being angled down by SA 1. Everyone has different interpretations of the game. I’m just not seeing what he is saying.
Easy to go over everything with a microscope after. Chill pal and enjoy the game.
Yesterday, one of our reporters tried to belittle both the Springboks and the Wallabies by referring to the Springbok "B team" when addressing Eddie Jones. An already distressed Eddie took exception to this. I want to, on behalf of pure rugby lovers, apologise to the Springboks, Wallabies and to Eddie about those comments. Even Duane thereafter said that there are no "B team Springboks". Basta. If you put on the Green and Gold, you are a Springbok. BIG apology Eddie and all.
Yeah I also didn't like that comment. I think Duane said it best, just like you said, if you put on that jersey, you're a Springbok, that's the end of it.
Come on. If Eddie can dish out he must also be able to take it
@@tasanalytics being selected to wear the green and gold in a test match means you are representing the national team - the best players for South Africa as chosen by the coach and selection team. Coaches and the selection team may choose different players to sit in the bench or to run out first depending on the opposition team. So... When the Green and Gold is donned in a test match, that team IS the A-Team and anyone who says they aren't is insulting our team, coaches and selectors.
Its easy to be smart ass afterwards with a playback slow mo system, but decisions have to be made lightning fast at the spur of the moment. Overall the Boks were the better team on the day, it did look like the Aussies were trying to be spoilers.
Well, the Korobeite tackle/ruck on the floor was dangerous and uncontrolled...and was clear to see in real time. Overall the ref was good, but that action by 11 did seem dangerous as you are not meant to dive on a player on the ground...nevermind knee to the head.
Oh and you missed the tackle off the ball by SA 9 on Aus 1 when you were bleating on about that knock on, which is not as clear cut as you make it out to be, by the way.
You might need your own TMO.
Would you prefer to replace scrums with free kicks instead?
It'll save all this bollocks of milking a scrum for a penalty, after all, a scrum was originally just a way of restarting the game after a minor infringement.
Well then World Rugby should just remove scrums as a whole. If they don't see it as part of the game, it needs to be removed. But why have a dominant scrum and focus on developing world class props, if you're never getting rewarded for it? And also do we remove lineouts and mauls as well? Where does it stop?
Rugby is a game where you can win with different playstyles, that's what makes it great. I don't find the logic in trying to remove certain aspects of the game because a team is dominant in it. I mean can SA advocate for removing offloads in rugby? that way we remove something where NZ is good at?
@@tasanalytics of course being South African, you take it as a jibe against South Africa. Its part of your persecution complex. You develop good props to win the ball at the scrum. Not penalties.
it's hard to milk penalties in other parts of the game.
You can't do it at line outs. The referee's actively deter it in rucks (holding opposite players in bad positions). You can't dummy from the base of the scrum,ruck or maul to draw an offside penalty either. I can't think of another part of the game where it can be done.
As a paying punter it's just plain boring to see a team milk penalties rather than play the game.
Moving the ball about is what the game is all about. Off loading, passing is creative sure there are different ways to play and to win. I'm just saying milking penalties is a terribly boring way to do it.
Picture the scene. An attacking side gets a scrum right in front of the posts on the 22m line. All the backs are lined up to the left except the right wing. The back row have some moves that could exploit the area just to the right of the scrum. Clock is ticking down. The scores are close. The crowd expectant This could be it!
The ball comes in (crookedly) it's held at the number 8s feet. What is going to happen next?
The answer: Nothing. The ball stays there, the scrum collapses and they kick at goal instead.
YAWN!
@@melbeeswax6087 " your persecution complex" I didn't even read the rest of your comments, if you want to start slinging mud, frankly, fuck off.
Cry baby Saffas …
Koroibete is overrated , he should not be in the team ... this is one of the reasons why players like him , valetini , allan alatoa , and a few are the reason Australia are struggling... it was never the coaches but the players deans , mckenzie , dave and eddie are good coaches shame the players don't have any accountability in them.. ARU WAKE The F Up....