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Everything We Know About Rey's Parents
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2022
- The new Star Wars novel Shadow of the Sith by Adam Christopher has told us the story of Rey's parents, Dathan and Miramir. From Dathan's creation and life on Exegol to his escape, and the family he started with Miramir. And of course, their eventual death.
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I was originally fine with Rey's Parents being no one, but this lore really does add more to the story that makes me kind of appreciate the Rey/Palpatine twist more. And it is cool to know that Sidious's son was simply one of many, like in Legends, showing Rey was only special for Palpatine's own ends, not recognizing what makes her distinct as a human being. She is kind, afraid, excited, curious and empathetic. What she chose to do with her life matters so much more than how she was created. Kinda reminds me of Caesar from the Planet of the Apes trilogy, in a sense.
That's the message of Rey's story. Not all hero stories have to be about being a weakling-turned-chad. Rey was competent in fighting the same way Finn was, and her being powerful in the Force isn't the point of her character, it's where she went with it. And her adopting the Skywalker name is beautiful the same way Leia is adopted as an Organa, Luke is adopted as a Lars, Han adopting the name Solo when serving the Empire, and even Anakin himself being adopted as a Skywalker since he was born from the Force and not from an intentional, biological birth (Shmi Skywalker was the first known Skywalker, and she was a nobody; the poetry of Rey, technically still a nobody while also being a powerful descendant of Palpatine, taking on the Skywalker name is a great closure of The Skywalker Saga's meaning in my eyes).
@@Agent_A_Graham I don’t like those movies but that’s a nice way to look at them so thank you for sharing your interpretation
If you think about it, she kinda is. Dathan is a failed strand cast runaway and her mom is a random farm mechanic.
@@Agent_A_Graham Wow I think you really summed that all up well. You made the sequel trilogy sound so much better than so many people in so many countless toxic comments sections make it out to be.
@@dibsdibs3495 I mean, we can always make a movie where Rey's journey starts with her as a child on Jakku failing at flying spaceships, failing at being a mechanic, failing at scavenging, and failing to fend off marauders, but not all stories have to start at the very beginning. Even Luke's journey didn't start off with him helpless, as he had marksmanship and some airspeeder experience.
We could have had a prequel trilogy starting off with a young adult Anakin as a Jedi already, but it wouldn't take away from the story. It's just a different way to tell it. Just because Rey's journey started with a level of competence doesn't make her a bad character. I can think of countless great stories where the protagonist is competent. And I am convinced the only reason many of us see Rey as being infallible is because of the media around her telling it that way, as we know she only beat Kylo Ren once in the beginning of the trilogy after Kylo was shown to be shot by an extremely powerful Wookie bowcaster (takes out three dudes just from impact), fought Finn and got slashed in the right shoulder by Finn, and was mentally and spiritually destroyed from killing his father. The SW fanbase hyperfocused around this one fight to the point we all believed Rey was written as some god, when she was not. Kylo outmatched completely in fair fights afterwards (Kylo also fought multiple praetorian guards simultaneously while Rey struggled with one).
I genuinely learned to appreciate Rey. I used to be vehemently against her existence, but then I realized I only believed that because the fanbase trained me to react this way to her. It took time to destigmatize liking Rey in my brain, and now I hope to see her more in future content. And I just remind myself SW has always been weird and unplanned since Day 1. Makes it easier putting that in perspective.
Miramir's death is one of my favorite Star Wars scene.
That last smile of defiance knowing that her daughter would be safe.
It hit me like a train.
More tragically was Miramir hoping that Rey would remember how much her parents loved her, but we knew that she barely remembers their faces and much less her time with them.
In which part you saw this
Hearing (audiobook) their last moments from Miramir's perspective was interesting, and a little heart-breaking. She could feel Ochi's anger and the hunger of the Sith Blade that killed her. Of course I could be reading too much into that, Ochi was literally a raging drunk and the blade was drinking her blood at the time after she'd been stabbed by it, but I like the idea that Rey might not have gotten all her Force sensitivity from her Father's side (Palpatine).
Might not have*
@@Progger11 Corrected, thank you.
Thank you for still covering content about the sequel era unlike so many other channels. Despite all of the negativity surrounding them, I'm still a fan! And while I know we're few and far in between, it's videos like this that give me hope we'll maybe see more ST content in the future.
Agreed.
I wonder if Luke and Lando ever realised that Rey was the child of the family that they had aided so many years before, Luke when he met Rey or more likely, after he became one with the Force and Lando after getting to know Rey more, following TROS. I would love a future story to have them sit down with Rey and have her learn that two of these heroes she's looked up to tried to protect and help her family escape the Sith when she was a child. I think that would be a great companion piece to this story and pack an emotional punch.
I really love all this backstory the book has established for Rey's parents and it makes it even sadder that she was left on Jakku now having the full story. It's a very interesting situation with Dathan and Miramir, considering his origins.
I admit the idea of Dathan being born years before Palpatine's death is one I had to adjust to. It's just weird to think he was on Exegol throughout the reign of the Empire and the Original Trilogy and now being out in the galaxy during the Galactic Civil War. I always figured he was born after Endor and just engineered to age quickly to be an adult but honestly him aging naturally makes more sense if he was intended to be Sidious's vessel. He wouldn't want a body that would age quickly like the Clone troopers, he'd want one to last so I do like this more. It was just one of those new revelations that caught me off guard at first, as is the case with many new stories but now it has me asking when Palpatine discovered Exegol and set up shop there. If he had knowledge of it early in the Empire's days, maybe he knew about it for a long time, even under the tutelage of Plagueis. That's something I've always wondered but this has brought the question up again with new information, even though that was not the intent of the story which is something I love about Star Wars. Just as stories answer already existing questions we have, they can pose new ones at the same time to be discussed in the future.
I’ve also wondered about how long the Sith Eternal has existed. For the possibility of the Sith Eternal coming to Exegol between 19 BBY and 12 BBY makes sense as there would be no Jedi monitoring Palpatine’s movements and he did leave most work to his subordinates. Not to mention by this time he would have the cloning tech from the Kaminoans. On the other hand, he could have founded the cult and moved it to Exegol between 32 BBY and 19 BBY. The Jedi may have had a presence on Ilum for Kyber Crystals, but Palpatine might have sneaked past them somehow. Also, we’ve already seen Palpatine in this era working on his contingency on Jakku, long before the Empire even exists. Then comes the possibility that the cult existed before Palpatine. Perhaps one of the many Sith Lords before him or even Lord Bane created the cult so that the Sith can always have a fallback place. After all, wouldn’t the Jedi at least for some time be monitoring the homeworlds of the Sith Order after defeating them, meaning a cult to fall back on should be situated where the Jedi wouldn’t go? Bane and his followers were only against the idea of multiple Sith since it leads to infighting and murder. That doesn’t mean they were against the idea of non-Sith followers. Still, we may never know the true origins of the Sith Eternal.
I feel like Luke knew when Rey told him she was from Jakku in The Last Jedi
@@tristankawatsuma8962 The way Palpatine describes them, the Sith Eternal seem to have been founded purely to worship him.
Just finished reading this book and it is amazing! Hopefully we will get a part 2 to the story :)
We need more sequel era content. Maybe some Disney+ shows? Rey Disney+ series between episode 8 and 9 or after episode 9 would be awesome.
Agreed! I'm still patiently waiting for any Disney+ show featuring the Knights of Ren..
We're getting a New Jedi Order movie with Daisy Ridley returning.
The part where they lead Ochi to his death is kind of cool. It’s clearly a better explanation than “Emperor’s Assassin who served him for many years one day decided to land on a random planet, then fell to quicksand and died”
To work for palpatine you must have a weakness to sand
@@Will-22 lmfao
I was in awe of Dathan and Miramir’s first interaction as it caught me unguard and man was it a treat to read their love story.
While I was totally OK with Rey's parents being nobodies in the Last Jedi, now that we're starting to get answers to flesh out the Rise of Skywalker revelation, I'm also OK with what we're getting in the recent books and comics.
Still reeks of the side material swooping in to save or salvage questionable movie story elements, but hey Legends did that with the prequels too. My favorite SW book is Darth Plagueis and that was one gigantic fix of The Phantom Menace. Any who decry recent Star Wars EU of fixing movie problems have been living in a dark side cave all this time.
I like to think of it as author fans who wanna take a gander at concepts and do it the way they think is way better and its neat to see how they would do it , like the author for Phasma made her character great but the movies did her and Phasma no justice so she has a interest of continuing her story
Star Wars has always been an inconsistent mess, and that's fine. I can't recall any series that's been consistent since Day 1 out of pure perfect planning.
Any time anything new came out for Star Wars, the story themes and direction was suddenly changed, and that's the appeal of it. Things always change. Eventually people will accept The Sequels and perhaps even cherish all the future Sequel content we'll get. Prequel lovers pretend that the Prequels and George Lucas were never hated the same way they hate Lucasfilm under Disney, or how much they harrassed actors to near suicide before TFA. I even remember when fans were hoping Luke would turn out to be Kylo Ren before TFA came out and I'm surprised fans were more okay with Luke going to the Dark Side (Legends, ehem) than Luke just being cynical and traumatized like in TLJ.
@@Agent_A_Graham - To be fair, inconsistency in Star Wars started the moment the first movie was Episode IV. Fans simply just learned to accept it after a while.
In the last six months or so I've really turned around on Rey being Palpatine's descendant. I really loved the idea the she was no one special but I think the RoS reveal still works for three reasons.
First I think that connecting her to their archenemy makes her adoption by the Skywalkers and the Jedi much more powerful because she has to overcome a negative destiny that is pulling her towards evil.
Also I don't think being related to Palpatine at all diminishes the idea that anyone can use the Force because you still have broom-boy at the end.
Finally the twist being a lie is a really nice reversal of the OT twist being the truth.
You still need to be born with above-average Force sensitivity to wield the Force.
We now return to our favourite dysfunctional family....The Palpatines!
But yeah, I hope for more materials to show stories like this one.
In fact, I read Jannah's squadron was called 'Company 77' until she and the stormtroopers with her broke away and deserted, so that could lead to a story that explains that. At least I think they could make that as a book or a little mini-series. (and maybe unless antoher series or that Lando series does it, maybe ask is Jannah Lando's lost child, Kadara, or somebody new)
Weird how if you combine their names you get Dathomir.
Excellent video, I really enjoyed this book!
I was iffy about the whole "daughter of a failed clone" it felt like a roundabout retcon to "technically" make Rey not *REALLY* Palpatine's granddaughter, but I appreciate how this novel makes it make sense and have more emotional weight by expanding Rey's parents life and role. But it would've been better to have it beforehand or in the actual movie, since not everyone will pick a 600 page novel to fill in the gaps and plot holes.
True, not everyone will pick up a book that big just to find those answers. But I don't think that's a very valid point to make since we all know Wookieepedia exists. And if it's only answers you're interested in, you'll always find them there.
thank you for covering sequal content and please more!
This is the only novel that I think is a Must read.
A must read compared to what other novels?
@@gamestation2690 Other SW novels.
@@MoldyDogUnlimited Why don’t other Star Wars novels appeal to you?
Every time you say Miramir, I hear Mirrormere, a lake by Moria in the Lord of the Rings
It is pronounced pretty similar.
It's literally pronounced the same
Honestly, this should have been one of the Disney+ shows.
So it is likely that Rey's force healing isn't a trait passed down by cloning experiments using Grogu's samples... except if Grog's tissues were taken before the events of The Mandalorian. If so, then I suppose Anakin was indeed the one who took Grogu from the temple, and Grogu was then taken to a cloning facility, possibly in the care of the Kaminoan as seen at the end of Bad Batch season 1...
What? It never was, she learnt it from the Jedi texts.
The term “failed clone” probably doesn’t apply to Dathan anymore. The novel says he is a “hybrid strandcast” - more than one primary donor, probably two with one providing an egg. Rey has a grandmother.
Not necessarily. Clones and strand-casts don't seem to require egg donors in Star Wars. Genetic material could come from anyone, and even in our own reality, there have been fully synthetic rat embryos created without eggs or sperm.
That’s the idea - “Genetic material could come from anybody”. Since the novel uses the term “hybrid” it is emphasizing that point, It is not just Palpatine’s DNA. Until this detail is developed (if ever), I will go with the assumption that female DNA was also used (egg or not), and that Rey has a grandmother.
Nice to know how those people and plot devices got into that quick sand they randomly get tossed into that doesn't sink into the caverns below but allows people to pass through.
Ahh Dathan and Miramir. Sad folks
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so tell us well we see rey again in star wars movies or tv shows because she is all the jedi
I enjoyed the book... At many points it was tough to put down. Who needs sleep anyways? 🤓
I'm not a big fan of the sequels but I would like a little bit more stories in that era to be honest
This would’ve been interesting to see in the movies
Would be awesome the "Failed" Clone of Palp is just a Lightside version why hence "Fail"
I always thought it would’ve been hella dope if Since Anakin Skywalker was basically space Jesus (being that he’s so powerful in the force he literally created himself), that Ray was Anakin’s “reincarnation” and she too is so powerful with the force she created herself again after Vader deuced out ⚰️
I just wish they got more than fifteen seconds of screen time. I couldn't even remember when this happened or if it even happened at all. I am only finding out through watching your video. Like it should be memorable... It wasn't no "Luke I am your father!" moment that's for damn sure. Such a shame.
"They wanted to protect her, but yes money did trade hands."
Awesome. I really enjoyed the novel of Episode IX and The Shadow of the Sith.
Just noticed Rey’s mom is Villanelle. Her fighting skills are explained now.
Now I would be really interested in what happens in alternate timelines, like if Rey’s parents were actually nobodies, or if Luke had found Rey on Jakku and trained her to be a Jedi.
May The Force be with us All .😊👍✊👊🍁♈
It only makes sense supplementary material in SW would make bad plot points sound interest.
So...they're not dead in a pauper's grave in the Jakku desert? Kylo you are such a liar.
I mean, he's basing his information off of unreliable memories of Rey from when she was six that he glimpsed through their bond. It'd be pretty easy to draw the wrong conclusions.
To be honest, I thought in the book, the crate was going to land on Jakku and then Plutt buried them. Rey would find the graves or at least see them being buried, but would enter into a state of denial in order to continue living.
But yeah, let's just say human memories suck, especially in Star Wars ("I don't recall ever owning a droid", "I have not gone by the name of Obi-Wan since before you were born", etc).
😂😂😂
Cool video buddy
Thank to the writers who tries to make 9 better
It is nothing new for Star Wars to have non-film material going into detail on a few things that happen in the films.
@@gamestation2690 oh yes but this time they need to save the movie
Thanks to The Bad Batch season 3., people are saying Omega is Rey's mother?
My thoughts on that are... Not again. Why does every new female character have to be considers Rey's mother?
When Rogue One trailers first dropped people were saying Jyn Erso would be her mon, then Qira was seen in the Solo trailers and it started up again? Then any new Star Wars comic female like Doctor Aphra, and pretty much all others too, were speculated to be Rey's mom. Even Iden Versio from Battlefront had it said at some point?
Now it's Omega?
Wouldn't Omega be around the same age as Luke or older? Maybe her Grand Mother but why does everyone have to be related in Star Wars?
I liked Ezra because he is not related to the other known heroes.
I wish the cartoons and comics stayed away from the sequals and focused on the early days of the New Republic.
3:45 The Jedi Academy of Ossus or Orsis?
The funny thing is that Rey isn't related to the Skywalker family in the first place yet became part of the bloodline all because she was forced sensitive
Yeah that makes no sense
Confused
Thanks, Alex! 📖
So if Rey’s dad wasn’t force sensitive how did Rey become force sensitive? Is it just hit and miss if her dad has kids bc he’s technically palps son ? Idk
I stand against Milan Petrovic...
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Rey DNA Come From Padme Nice Pooja Rey mom
Are we assuming that he was made Before new hope or could he have just had his age accelerated like the clone troopers?
Novel said he had no accelerated growth. Normal development.
He's an hybrid strandcast. It's like a son, but not created in the natural way. His wasn't just a "clone" of the Emperor, but his genetic son, born from Palpatine's genetic material, and, as an hybrid strandcast, from the genetic material of another person, or creature.
Shout out to the book authors trying their best to fix the absolute mess made by those movies. Such a shame only like 1% of the people who watched the sequels will even know this info🤦🏾♂️😭
Shout out to the people who dont yet realise that SW did that since ANH.
It's not really a shame, since this information is not essential.
Public: Why didn't you tell me? You told me Rey's Parents were nobody, sold and abandoned her, lying dead in a pauper's grave.
Disney: Her parent's chose to be nobody so as not to draw attention. They left her on Jakku because they knew she would never be safe with them. And for it they were killed .
So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
Public: You also said they sold her for drinking money.
Disney: Ahh.. err... well they sold her for money, as part of a plan to keep her safe. Annnnd... had a drink afterwards... bought with that money. So you see it's true and everything makes sense, we had a plan for that all the time.
Public: Your overconfidence is your weakness.
Disney: Your faith in Hollywood is yours.
I Think Pooja And Noorahan left Rey to Jakku
Track through hyperspace? Not this ship, sister.
Here is what I think should happen.
Make Palpatine and Jobal Naberrie have an affair which gets her pregnant. They were close in the book Darth Plagueis.
Then through the force Palpatine moves the embryo from Jobal to Shmi Skywalker to hide the child.
From Shimi comes Anakin (who hooks up with his sister Padme) and from Anakin/Padme comes Luke and Leia and from Leia we get Ben Solo or Kylo Ren.
Going by this Dathan being a clone of Palpatine comes Rey.
Then Rey and Kylo get together.
So what would that make them? Cousins I think.
Now all you have to do is have Miramir related to someone and mix up things even more.
Good Question Jobal Pregnant Sola And Padme Pooja Pregnant To Rey with Norahan
I had a realization The OG Star movies had haters, the prequels even more 🤔 These actors were Great but bad script l... Emperor Luke Twist Imagine
So he was created 2 years after grogu was kidnapped by G Moff Gideon?
No. He was created about 3 years before the Kenobi series. He ages at a normal rate and is 33 when he dies. He’d have been in his early 20s during the Mandalorian.
Interesting...
Sequels > OT
I agree.
Is Rey parents jedi or sith ?
They aren't force-sensitive but they are more align with the Jedi as the Sith are trying to hunt them down.
@@jacobberg373 do you think Rey Palpatine or Skywalker?
@@mohdimansaifullizan6193 I'm confused about what you're asking?
@@jacobberg373 sorry i'm just kidding
Rey Parents yes Jedi Her Dad Norahan
Star Wars fans: The parents were just bums? LAME! Rey’s family should be special!
JJ Abrams: Alright, how about her grandfather being Palpatine?
Star Wars fans: …this is a monkey’s paw wish, isn’t it?
Was happy when her parents were nobody’s in last Jedi but unfortunately I was in the minority and people started bitching and moaning about how lucasfilm didn’t do the predictable thing and that was too make them somebody important. They decided to listen to the naysayers from last Jedi and made palpatine return and rey her grandfather
@@AM-dk3wy It wasn't a hard concept to have the main character of the Skywalker saga, actually be part of the SKYWALKERS! Ben Solo was not the main character, it was Rey. So he didn't count.
Why couldn't the film's have explained it this eloquently.
Because we didn’t need to know it in the moment.
not enough time/ not really importat for the story. Still, the lack of context and details didn't help the movie at all, but this is Star Wars we are talking about, every little thing in the movies gets explained in another media.
@@joaofranscisco7817 Like how Revenge of the Sith didn’t explain why the Clone Troopers suddenly turned on the Jedi, when they had been so loyal to them for a few years.
U know why this bothers me so much and why I can't accept it?
None of this story was by neither JJ Abrams nor Rian Johnson.
This was probably written on 2020, 1 year later after ep9, which means they made up all this because people hated so much on 9.
If we had seen this story on ep7, 8 or 9, it all would be different
Yeah true. Really hate that they made the sequels like that. If they had one person making the story it would have been better. The Problem isn't that the sequels are bad or good movies for themself but that the trilogy in a whole makes no sense, not even talking about the other trilogies
Still cannot believe they undid Rey being a nobody with nobody parents
I'm not sure I'd call a knockoff clone and a mechanic massive somebodies.
Rey’s lineage wasn’t decided for a while, yes. But JJ and Rian’s decisions for her lineage were always less about the answer and more how the answer would affect her.
@@Mr-Rinn ye but they weren’t drunks who died in a paupers grave. Which begs the question, was Kylo just lying to Rey in that moment? It kind of undoes the vulnerability and honesty they developed.
@@jackdnoonan No, I remember it being said by Johnson or someone else who worked on TLJ when it first came out that he wasn't lying, but that he may have drawn the wrong conclusions himself.
Much of Dathans backstory will get retconned
Eh, I guess. I’m not a fan of the last 3 movies.
I have to recognize the effort of the author to try to make any sense of the mess we know as new trilogy...
BOO!! Rey parents are not the Major characters like the Skywalker family!!
I’m sorry, but in my headcanon, Rey’s parents were no one special. I find the idea that a hero can come from anywhere more powerful and aspirational than any of this. It’s all so over-engineered, and The Last Jedi already gave us a simple and potent answer.
I can respect that but the kind of life they had as presented here is just fascinating.
@@MoldyDogUnlimited Yeah I’m not knocking the book at all, I’m sure it’s good for what it is. But I think this is the one retcon that I’m never going to be able to accept.
Anakin was a no one special until Qui Gon showed up by accident then again nothing happens by accident.
So basically you want the prequels?
Rey’s parents were nobody the emperor was just full of crap.
Can't they just make him Palp's actual grandkid? There's no need to make it complex.
That would require them to admit that palpatine f***ed and we can't have that.
We can. We should
Look I don't mind Rey. What desperately needs fixing is Luke and I'm afraid that's one doodle that can't be undid.
I'm cool with Luke's story tbh. 🤷♂️ He was never a favorite character of mine though so I didn't really care.
Fix Luke how?
@@gamestation2690 Well, that's just the thing, you can't unless you outright decanonize the sequels. Luke's core as a character is (was...) hope. You can turn him to the dark side, you can kill him, you can even make him fail and be forgotten, but what you can't do is make him despair. And that is exactly what they did.
@@fivetimesyo How is turning to the dark side *not* despair? Maybe if he was searching for power to protect with, I guess, but then it's just a retread of Anakin.
Also, how doesn't he embody hope? TLJ ends with a kid being inspired by his duel in Crait.
@@fivetimesyo He got out of his rut at the end of TLJ, remember?
I'm sorry to say this but I'm not interested in Rey
Honestly who cares about Ray she sucks as a character.
She Was okay in force awaken,
but after that it just got worse.
I don't like Rey being the grand daughter of Palpatine and after that explanation of who her parents were I still don't. Still feels like they pulled it out of thin air to appease whiny fanboys and the Rey Skywalker thing still feels really unearned.
nobody cares.
And yet here you are literally minutes after the video is posted, commenting on it.
@@Mr-Rinn yup, just dropped in to say that nobody cares about Peggy Sue Palpatine.
@@barbarianslab You can read through the comments to know that isn't true. Some of us care. 🤷♂️
@@Blinkptx Yes, but you represent the insignificant minority. Fight me!
I believe I'm somebody who did very much care.
Why they not retcons the the rise of skywalker novelization yet because i hate rey father is a reject clone
Sounds awful. Reminds me of how bad the old EU stories were with trying to force the main characters together in whatever tiny space of time wasn't currently being used for another adventure...Prolly coulda left Luke and Lando out and it would have still been an interesting read.
You lost me at Aki-Aki beads
You lost me at Exagul, or whatever. I refuse to accept the palpatine ressurection arc.
Rey Palpatine